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Re: Boeing 747-400 Passenger Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread - 2021

Tue May 11, 2021 7:12 am

Cardude2 wrote:
workhorse wrote:
speedbird52 wrote:
It is odd to me that if I am not mistaken, there is a larger net number of 747 classics flying today compared to 2020 than the number of 747-400s flying compared to 2020


That's an unusual way to see it, but yes, you are right.


it's because of the whole Iranian sanctions.

I was actually thinking of Geosky
 
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Re: Boeing 747-400 Passenger Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread - 2021

Tue May 11, 2021 8:49 am

....having only just read through this thread, something that I never realised until now is that more 747SPs were built than 747-8i’s (45 vs 39).
 
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Re: Boeing 747-400 Passenger Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread - 2021

Tue May 11, 2021 2:12 pm

Zimzam wrote:
....having only just read through this thread, something that I never realised until now is that more 747SPs were built than 747-8i’s (45 vs 39).





Yep, only after reading your post did I find this out! Very strange indeed... Though, including freighters, the 747-8 sold much better.
 
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Re: Boeing 747-400 Passenger Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread - 2021

Sun May 30, 2021 5:47 pm

I went to Kemble today.

BA B747 G-BYGE and G-CIVO gone.

Also Corsair B747 F-HSEA gone.
 
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Re: Boeing 747-400 Passenger Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread - 2021

Tue Jun 01, 2021 2:55 pm

OK, where do we stand today?

Asia:
CA - 3 active
OZ - 1 active
Iraqi Airways - 2 active
Mahan Air - 1 active
AI - 4 stored

Europe:
Rossiya - 3 stored, 6 active
LH - 8 stored

Africa:
Max Air - 3 stored

Note 1: This list does not include aircraft that fly military charters, government missions, football charters etc, only regular flights that a normal human can book.
Note 2: I consider an aircraft "active" if it has flown at least once in the last month.

Anything else?
 
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Re: Boeing 747-400 Passenger Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread - 2021

Tue Jun 01, 2021 2:59 pm

workhorse wrote:
OK, where do we stand today?

Asia:
CA - 3 active
OZ - 1 active
Iraqi Airways - 2 active
Mahan Air - 1 active
AI - 4 stored

Europe:
Rossiya - 3 stored, 6 active
LH - 8 stored

Africa:
Max Air - 3 stored

Note 1: This list does not include aircraft that fly military charters, government missions, football charters etc, only regular flights that a normal human can book.
Note 2: I consider an aircraft "active" if it has flown at least once in the last month.

Anything else?



Does Terra Avia count, or is that only a charter airline?
 
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Re: Boeing 747-400 Passenger Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread - 2021

Tue Jun 01, 2021 3:09 pm

workhorse wrote:
AI - 4 stored


Aren't these Air India Jumbos active? I remember some rumors that AI would retire them, but it seems the airline denied this.

Boeing757100 wrote:

Does Terra Avia count, or is that only a charter airline?


I guess they don't count. Despite flying pax B747-400s, I believe they're flying in cargo configuration (by removing the seats).
 
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Re: Boeing 747-400 Passenger Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread - 2021

Tue Jun 01, 2021 5:27 pm

Boeing757100 wrote:
Does Terra Avia count, or is that only a charter airline?


Honestly, I don't know.

ER-BAC is regularly flying a weird routing (Urumqi-Turkmenbashi-Lagos-Bishkek-Urumqi). Are these cargo or pax flights, and, if the latter, who and would want to fly this route, I have no idea. I think 90% chance it's cargo.

ER-BAE is stored in Jakarta.
 
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Re: Boeing 747-400 Passenger Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread - 2021

Tue Jun 01, 2021 5:34 pm

leleko747 wrote:
workhorse wrote:
AI - 4 stored


Aren't these Air India Jumbos active? I remember some rumors that AI would retire them, but it seems the airline denied this.


Yes, they did deny indeed :

https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... -b747-400s

However, last flight of VT-EVA was in on the 10th of March 2021, VT-ESO has last flown on the 17th of September 2020, and VT-ESP and VT-EVB haven't flown pax missions since more than a year. So I guess we can consider them stored for now, although of course, we can still reasonably hope to see them in service again.
 
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Re: Boeing 747-400 Passenger Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread - 2021

Sat Jun 05, 2021 10:02 am

Air China B747-4J6M B-2471 has been spottted stored in open air within the compound of Beijing Captial Int'l Airport, looking very sad with its official corporate logo and title removed. A new title is painted "Safe Gate 2020".

The B744 frame was delivered in 22nd September 1999 retired back in 2013 after close to 14 years of service. Last flight was CA1406 from CTU to PEK. https://flightaware.com/live/flight/B2471
 
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Re: Boeing 747-400 Passenger Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread - 2021

Sun Aug 01, 2021 12:52 pm

According to this SF article, AI may be keeping the 4 747-400s for a while more...
https://simpleflying.com/air-india-boeing-747s/

Let's just hope they're right....
 
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Re: Boeing 747-400 Passenger Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread - 2021

Mon Aug 02, 2021 4:32 pm

Any word on the status of the 3x ex-KL 744 Combi's that were acquired by Longtail Aviation? Correct me if im wrong, but I believe there's one still at KCI in storage, one at TLV under conversion and one somewhere in the UAE?? :confused:
 
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Re: Boeing 747-400 Passenger Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread - 2021

Fri Aug 06, 2021 2:08 pm

Former China Airlines 744 (B-18210) is now a getting second life, doing cargo duties for JetOneX

https://www.linkedin.com/posts/jetonex_ ... 65408-fkLx
 
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Re: Boeing 747-400 Passenger Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread - 2021

Sun Aug 08, 2021 9:47 pm

https://www.civilianaviation.co.uk/foru ... &start=260

G-BYGB and G-BYGF now scrapped at Kemble.
 
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Re: Boeing 747-400 Passenger Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread - 2021

Sun Aug 08, 2021 10:09 pm

Lufthansa will activate 747-400 fleet for a couple more years.

https://www.airway1.com/lufthansa-plans ... g-747-400/
 
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Re: Boeing 747-400 Passenger Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread - 2021

Thu Aug 12, 2021 1:28 pm

7673mech wrote:
Lufthansa will activate 747-400 fleet for a couple more years.

https://www.airway1.com/lufthansa-plans ... g-747-400/


I hope this is happening. The 747-400 has eluded me over the years and I am kicking myself for not flying on the 744 in 2019 when I flew to Frankfurt. I chose the rarer (at the time) 343 and 346 as I thought I still had some time to fly on a 744 before they would be retired. Alas COVID.

I was looking at the pdf LH timetable http://dl-oim.de/download/LH_Timetable_en.pdf and I did see "744" being listed as the equipment for flights from YYZ, IAD, and various points in India. However when I tried a sample booking on the LH website for the September / October timeframe, those flights are being flow with 747-8, 359, and so on.

Are there any other scheduled airlines that are still operating 744 where I could book a flight?
 
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Re: Boeing 747-400 Passenger Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread - 2021

Thu Aug 12, 2021 1:49 pm

akelley728 wrote:
7673mech wrote:
Lufthansa will activate 747-400 fleet for a couple more years.

https://www.airway1.com/lufthansa-plans ... g-747-400/


I hope this is happening. The 747-400 has eluded me over the years and I am kicking myself for not flying on the 744 in 2019 when I flew to Frankfurt. I chose the rarer (at the time) 343 and 346 as I thought I still had some time to fly on a 744 before they would be retired. Alas COVID.

I was looking at the pdf LH timetable http://dl-oim.de/download/LH_Timetable_en.pdf and I did see "744" being listed as the equipment for flights from YYZ, IAD, and various points in India. However when I tried a sample booking on the LH website for the September / October timeframe, those flights are being flow with 747-8, 359, and so on.

Are there any other scheduled airlines that are still operating 744 where I could book a flight?


Most likely LH still hasn't pdates its system with flights for the fall yet. Rossiya and Air India still have their 744s
 
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Re: Boeing 747-400 Passenger Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread - 2021

Thu Aug 12, 2021 7:34 pm

B747 G-CIVJ Outer wings removed. Fuselage broken behind wings and tail gone.

Seen at Kemble 10 August 2021.
 
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Re: Boeing 747-400 Passenger Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread - 2021

Tue Aug 17, 2021 12:30 am

here is my updated list on who still flys the passenger 747 400/300
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-gH ... yyrlQ/edit
 
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Re: Boeing 747-400 Passenger Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread - 2021

Tue Aug 17, 2021 6:42 pm

No sign of G-CIVJ at Kemble today.

Believed scrapped.
 
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Re: Boeing 747-400 Passenger Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread - 2021

Tue Aug 17, 2021 10:24 pm

The BA 744s are being scrapped insanely fast. You would think they'd store them for at least a little while in hopes of a buyer.
 
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Re: Boeing 747-400 Passenger Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread - 2021

Tue Aug 17, 2021 10:41 pm

BA B747 left

G-BNLY Dunsfold
G-BYGA Kemble
G-BYGC St Athan
G-BYGD St Athan
G-BYGG St Athan
G-CIVA Tereul
G-CIVB Kemble
G-CIVN Kemble
G-CIVR Tereul
G-CIVS Tereul
G-CIVT Tereul
G-CIVW Dunsfold
G-CIVX Tereul
 
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Re: Boeing 747-400 Passenger Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread - 2021

Tue Aug 17, 2021 11:01 pm

bennett123 wrote:
BA B747 left

G-BNLY Dunsfold
G-BYGA Kemble
G-BYGC St Athan
G-BYGD St Athan
G-BYGG St Athan
G-CIVA Tereul
G-CIVB Kemble
G-CIVN Kemble
G-CIVR Tereul
G-CIVS Tereul
G-CIVT Tereul
G-CIVW Dunsfold
G-CIVX Tereul


Where does that leave CIVH and CIVY?
Those are the only two BA airplanes I've ever flown in!
 
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Re: Boeing 747-400 Passenger Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread - 2021

Wed Aug 18, 2021 3:59 am

bennett123 wrote:
https://www.civilianaviation.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=109&t=34188&start=260

G-BYGB and G-BYGF now scrapped at Kemble.


Sad…..☹️ I flew on G-BYGF when it was brand new, I think it may have been one of its first revenue flights. It smelled very new, and was very shiny too. It carried the “Chelsea Rose” tail. Fond memories.
 
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Re: Boeing 747-400 Passenger Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread - 2021

Wed Aug 18, 2021 5:46 am

Both scrapped.

G-CIVH CDT 05/2021
G-CIVY DGX 11/2020
 
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Wed Aug 18, 2021 9:46 am

bennett123 wrote:
Both scrapped.

G-CIVH CDT 05/2021
G-CIVY DGX 11/2020


Well, that's not what I was hoping to hear, but thanks for the response.
 
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Re: Boeing 747-400 Passenger Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread - 2021

Sat Aug 21, 2021 9:17 pm

Ex Flynas ER-BAC has been returned to fortress investment group and re-registered N959WW and stored at Mojave, most likely scrapped as I saw its engines were sold and but onto a 747-400BCF that sam Chui flew on.
Sources:
https://www.planespotters.net/airframe/ ... tai/34210e
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/ERBAC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1dlC6-Rf-4
 
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Re: Boeing 747-400 Passenger Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread - 2021

Tue Aug 31, 2021 10:07 pm

Went to Kemble today.

TF-AAC is now in the scrapping area.
 
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Re: Boeing 747-400 Passenger Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread - 2021

Thu Sep 02, 2021 2:18 am

I have just got confirmation that EP-MND is no more. Its engines were transferred to EP-MNE. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jaB21dpRzo&t=609s
 
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Mon Sep 20, 2021 3:07 pm

Lufthansa's D-ABTL has been flown from ENS to FRA this afternoon: https://www.flightradar24.com/data/airc ... l#2937a041
It was the last LH 747-400 parked at ENS. 6 were parked at ENS, 3 have since then been flown to MHV for scrap,
3 others (including this last one) will fly for LH again.

Image
Image
Source: https://twitter.com/twenteairport/statu ... 5570293761
 
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Re: Boeing 747-400 Passenger Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread - 2021

Mon Sep 20, 2021 4:32 pm

Iemand91 wrote:
Lufthansa's D-ABTL has been flown from ENS to FRA this afternoon: https://www.flightradar24.com/data/airc ... l#2937a041
It was the last LH 747-400 parked at ENS. 6 were parked at ENS, 3 have since then been flown to MHV for scrap,
3 others (including this last one) will fly for LH again.



Good news indeed that at least three -400s will continue to fly for LH. Any idea of routes these birds will fly on?
 
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Re: Boeing 747-400 Passenger Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread - 2021

Mon Sep 20, 2021 5:34 pm

Iemand91 wrote:
Lufthansa's D-ABTL has been flown from ENS to FRA this afternoon: https://www.flightradar24.com/data/airc ... l#2937a041
It was the last LH 747-400 parked at ENS. 6 were parked at ENS, 3 have since then been flown to MHV for scrap,
3 others (including this last one) will fly for LH again.

Image
Image
Source: https://twitter.com/twenteairport/statu ... 5570293761


Video coverage of D-ATBL's departure out of ENS, showing an almighty 180 goodbye turn over the airfield :bouncy:

:arrow: https://youtu.be/z5syaBcVBG8
 
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Re: Boeing 747-400 Passenger Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread - 2021

Mon Sep 20, 2021 7:57 pm

akelley728 wrote:
Good news indeed that at least three -400s will continue to fly for LH. Any idea of routes these birds will fly on?

The internet tells me Boston, Denver, Dubai, Miami, Mumbai, Orlando, Seoul, Toronto, Vancouver, Washington and from March next year Seattle.
But don't quote me on that.

FlyingHonu001 wrote:
Video coverage of D-ATBL's departure out of ENS, showing an almighty 180 goodbye turn over the airfield :bouncy:

:arrow: https://youtu.be/z5syaBcVBG8

Low altitude banking 747's look sooo good! :yummy:
They did the same on the previous one; D-ABVX.
 
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Re: Boeing 747-400 Passenger Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread - 2021

Mon Sep 20, 2021 10:19 pm

Iemand91 wrote:
The internet tells me Boston, Denver, Dubai, Miami, Mumbai, Orlando, Seoul, Toronto, Vancouver, Washington and from March next year Seattle.
But don't quote me on that.

aren't those the old routes the plane used to fly on?

Also, what are the registrations of the 3 remaining Lufthansa 747's in service? I need to fix my google doc list of still fly (you all can comment on by the way). https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-gH ... sp=sharing
 
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Tue Sep 21, 2021 12:24 am

Heres a photo I found today to put a smile on your face courtesy of 747 G-VROS ✈️ on Twitter. Its N481MC (recently delivered and repainted) for atlas air helping out with the Afghanistan airlift.
Image

the photo also here https://twitter.com/747GVROS/status/1433749903633752068

also, N482MC just got repainted https://twitter.com/747GVROS/status/1438807785907572738
 
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Tue Sep 21, 2021 12:35 am

also Asiana Airlines 747-400 (reg: HL7428, leased from GECAS) retirement has been pushed back to 2024
 
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Tue Sep 21, 2021 1:30 am

Cardude2 wrote:
Ex Flynas ER-BAC has been returned to fortress investment group and re-registered N959WW and stored at Mojave, most likely scrapped as I saw its engines were sold and but onto a 747-400BCF that sam Chui flew on.
Sources:
https://www.planespotters.net/airframe/ ... tai/34210e
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/ERBAC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1dlC6-Rf-4

Such a shame, she could have at least another 7 years left in her. I guess a heavy D check was due.
 
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Re: Boeing 747-400 Passenger Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread - 2021

Tue Sep 21, 2021 7:34 am

akelley728 wrote:
Iemand91 wrote:
Lufthansa's D-ABTL has been flown from ENS to FRA this afternoon: https://www.flightradar24.com/data/airc ... l#2937a041
It was the last LH 747-400 parked at ENS. 6 were parked at ENS, 3 have since then been flown to MHV for scrap,
3 others (including this last one) will fly for LH again.



Good news indeed that at least three -400s will continue to fly for LH. Any idea of routes these birds will fly on?


All 8 remaining aircraft are expected to continue flying. At least for some time.
 
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Tue Sep 21, 2021 7:54 pm

Went past Kemble today.

G-BYGA is now in the scrapping area and TF-AAC is now missing the outer wing panels.
 
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Re: Boeing 747-400 Passenger Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread - 2021

Tue Sep 21, 2021 8:59 pm

So how many of the ex-BA 747s have been scrapped at Kemble?
 
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Tue Sep 21, 2021 11:25 pm

G-BYGB
G-BYGE
G-BYGF
G-CIVJ
G-CIVL
G-CIVO

Gone so far at Kemble.
 
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Re: Boeing 747-400 Passenger Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread - 2021

Wed Sep 22, 2021 2:27 am

AA737-823 wrote:
Where does that leave CIVH and CIVY?
Those are the only two BA airplanes I've ever flown in!


You can always get a memento of your flight...
https://www.airlinertags.com/products/g-civy-1

I'm trying to get a skin square off each of the 747s I know I've flown on, which is most of the fleet so I won't be getting them all, or close to it... Check planestation.aero , doors2manual.org , Aerotiques and planereclaimers as they will have bits for sale over the next 6 months. Planestation, Aerotiques and PlaneReclaimers are on their last few 747s...

Aviationtag, Planetags, Airlinertags, Airskinz and a few others are selling bits of the aircraft. Usually it'll only be from the St Athan or Kemble disposals. I haven't seen any from the ones broken up in Castellon...
 
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Wed Sep 22, 2021 8:46 pm

bennett123 wrote:
G-BYGB
G-BYGE
G-BYGF
G-CIVJ
G-CIVL
G-CIVO

Gone so far at Kemble.

Does that only leave 3 BA 747s left to be scrapped at Kemble and 1 Air Atlanta?
 
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Thu Sep 23, 2021 12:22 am

How long would the 747-400s continued flying for BA had the pandemic never occurred?

I don’t understand why BA can’t make the 744 work but LH can.
 
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Thu Sep 23, 2021 12:30 am

blacksoviet wrote:
How long would the 747-400s continued flying for BA had the pandemic never occurred?

I don’t understand why BA can’t make the 744 work but LH can.


2024
 
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Re: Boeing 747-400 Passenger Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread - 2021

Thu Sep 23, 2021 1:34 am

blacksoviet wrote:
How long would the 747-400s continued flying for BA had the pandemic never occurred?

I don’t understand why BA can’t make the 744 work but LH can.


I always had the feeling that IAG Group "panicked" about their quads.
British Airways retired their 747-400 as a whole, and Iberia have also retired their A340-600s.

Meanwhile, Lufthansa is playing cool and decided to keep operating their Jumbos, always "testing the water" before deciding something.
I know the pandemic hit real hard but I was expecting BA to keep at least a fleet of 10 or so 747s until 2024. Retiring the WHOLE fleet was a real punch in the guts for me!
 
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Thu Sep 23, 2021 1:53 am

Cardude2 wrote:
blacksoviet wrote:
How long would the 747-400s continued flying for BA had the pandemic never occurred?

I don’t understand why BA can’t make the 744 work but LH can.


2024

> blacksoviet: I guess they have different business strategy when it comes to fleet management. BA prefers new aircraft replacing those 744 which were sold for scrap, earning some cash along the way. LH prefers mix of old and newer airframes. LH has a much diverse fleet type which allows them to shift capacity whenever and wherever the demand is, and is supported by its massive MRO arm LH Teknik, BA doesn't have these privilege though.
 
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Thu Sep 23, 2021 11:41 am

blacksoviet wrote:
I don’t understand why BA can’t make the 744 work but LH can.

BA doesn't operate the 748, so a small subfleet of 744 is much less viable than at LH, who can assign crews as required. BA is also expecting to keep the A380 and 77W while taking delivery of the 781, while LH parked their entire A346 and A388 fleets. Demand picked up slightly faster than their designated 744 replacement could arrive - the 779 - so it made sense for LH to reactivate some of them.
 
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Thu Sep 23, 2021 1:26 pm

mxaxai wrote:
blacksoviet wrote:
I don’t understand why BA can’t make the 744 work but LH can.

BA doesn't operate the 748, so a small subfleet of 744 is much less viable than at LH, who can assign crews as required. BA is also expecting to keep the A380 and 77W while taking delivery of the 781, while LH parked their entire A346 and A388 fleets. Demand picked up slightly faster than their designated 744 replacement could arrive - the 779 - so it made sense for LH to reactivate some of them.

LH is also bringing back A346s.

Michael
 
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Fri Sep 24, 2021 3:30 am

jimmy9irons wrote:
bennett123 wrote:
G-BYGB
G-BYGE
G-BYGF
G-CIVJ
G-CIVL
G-CIVO

Gone so far at Kemble.

Does that only leave 3 BA 747s left to be scrapped at Kemble and 1 Air Atlanta?


Scrapping area

TF-AAC
G-BYGA

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G-MKGA (200F)
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