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Thanks for sharing these! Following the East African scene a bit more now after having recently relocated to Kigali from Lilongwe.
I wouldn't be surprised if ET would welcome getting out of this agreement with Malawian. We all know it did not grow into something similar what Asky did at Lome. With recent progress in Zambia however, and with a newer terminal in Lusaka, it's in ET's best interest to walk away from Malawian and go big at Lusaka.
eastafspot wrote:reply to Berari #111I wouldn't be surprised if ET would welcome getting out of this agreement with Malawian. We all know it did not grow into something similar what Asky did at Lome. With recent progress in Zambia however, and with a newer terminal in Lusaka, it's in ET's best interest to walk away from Malawian and go big at Lusaka.
Do you know how long must last the partnership with Malawian? When will Zambia Airways will effectively start flying because it looks like some schedules/routes appear on some OTA with ZN code.
If among the 6 airlines (Chad, Zambia, Mozambique, Equatorial Guinea, Togo and Malawi) they invested in, only one does not get a satisfied, i find it pretty good job by ET, because challenges in Africa are much more different, and it could have turn into a disaster à la Etihad - style.
eastafspot wrote:reply to Bmagee #110Thanks for sharing these! Following the East African scene a bit more now after having recently relocated to Kigali from Lilongwe.
Muli bwanji Bmagee, hope you like the country of thousand hills, quiet different from Malawi - I used to volunter in Nkhata Bay, near Mzuzu back in 2007 and people were very friendly outhere. coming back to aviation, I hope the Qatar/QR - Rwanda/RwandAir deals will bring good outcomes and enables better performances for both airlines...
bmagee wrote:ET had scheduled double daily service starting mid-2020 to LLW prior to CoVID, so they obviously felt the market was doing decent enough.
qf789 wrote:Uganda Airlines is expected to start flying its A330-800neo to LHR from next week, 5-6 weekly
https://twitter.com/MZulqarnainBut1/sta ... 79842?s=20
bmagee wrote:eastafspot wrote:reply to Berari #111I wouldn't be surprised if ET would welcome getting out of this agreement with Malawian. We all know it did not grow into something similar what Asky did at Lome. With recent progress in Zambia however, and with a newer terminal in Lusaka, it's in ET's best interest to walk away from Malawian and go big at Lusaka.
Do you know how long must last the partnership with Malawian? When will Zambia Airways will effectively start flying because it looks like some schedules/routes appear on some OTA with ZN code.
If among the 6 airlines (Chad, Zambia, Mozambique, Equatorial Guinea, Togo and Malawi) they invested in, only one does not get a satisfied, i find it pretty good job by ET, because challenges in Africa are much more different, and it could have turn into a disaster à la Etihad - style.
ET owns 49% of Malawian. It's operating at a loss as far as I know, but my understanding was that ET owns the planes and I believe then leases them to the Malawian operation. I was always under the impression that they never really expected it to be as large of an entity as ASKY, but more of a regional feeder to their network. ET had scheduled double daily service starting mid-2020 to LLW prior to CoVID, so they obviously felt the market was doing decent enough. Malawian was getting a fair number of JNB passengers heading to DAR, NBO and even Addis. I would run into people connecting in BLZ/LLW for the Dar and Nairobi flights, and the JNB-BLZ-LLW flight was timed so passengers could connect with the BLZ-ADD ET flight (passengers would literally be walked from one plane to the other). One could also book some interesting connections to the ET network from LLW/BLZ via connections at JNB/NBO/DAR/LUN/HRE (which were occasionally convenient for ff mileage runs!) Overall, seemed like a low-risk strategy to get some skin into the Southern Africa regional market and drive some passengers away from competition in the region. I agree that the focus will probably shift to Zambia once that gets in the air, but seems like they would probably like to keep as many different footholds in that region as possible, so wouldn't be surprised if they hung onto Malawian for a while. I also don't think the Zambia operation will evolve into anything other than a similar regional/domestic carrier.
Though, maybe those ambitions will change now that SAA's future is bleak and there's possibly more room in the Southern African market.
But this is more of a Southern African Aviation discussionSorry to have derailed it!
bmagee wrote:eastafspot wrote:reply to Bmagee #110Thanks for sharing these! Following the East African scene a bit more now after having recently relocated to Kigali from Lilongwe.
Muli bwanji Bmagee, hope you like the country of thousand hills, quiet different from Malawi - I used to volunter in Nkhata Bay, near Mzuzu back in 2007 and people were very friendly outhere. coming back to aviation, I hope the Qatar/QR - Rwanda/RwandAir deals will bring good outcomes and enables better performances for both airlines...
Zikomo/Murakoze! Definitely a change of pace - but enjoying it so far. Nkhata Bay life is definitely laid back!
Flew out of Malawi on a charter to DAR at the end of August (LLW was still closed to commercial traffic at that point) and flew into Kigali from DAR on Rwandair. Was nice to get to experience Rwandair for the first time.
rukundo wrote:Hi
I was going to track flight KL537 Kigali-Entebbe-Amsterdam, when I saw an Air France 787 over Uganda. He is doing a CDG-N'Djamena-Nairobi flight. Tag service ? https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/af9266
I know that at one time AF operated tag service to Nairobi. It was my very first flight Kigali-Nairobi-Paris in B747, in 1988
MileHFL400 wrote:rukundo wrote:Hi
I was going to track flight KL537 Kigali-Entebbe-Amsterdam, when I saw an Air France 787 over Uganda. He is doing a CDG-N'Djamena-Nairobi flight. Tag service ? https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/af9266
I know that at one time AF operated tag service to Nairobi. It was my very first flight Kigali-Nairobi-Paris in B747, in 1988
Cargo flight using a PAX configured aircraft.
Kenya Airports Authority (KAA) said Thursday it has embarked on a renovation project to upgrade the Jomo Kenyatta International Airport (JKIA) terminals in Nairobi to position it as the preferred regional aviation hub.
rukundo wrote:MileHFL400 wrote:rukundo wrote:Hi
I was going to track flight KL537 Kigali-Entebbe-Amsterdam, when I saw an Air France 787 over Uganda. He is doing a CDG-N'Djamena-Nairobi flight. Tag service ? https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/af9266
I know that at one time AF operated tag service to Nairobi. It was my very first flight Kigali-Nairobi-Paris in B747, in 1988
Cargo flight using a PAX configured aircraft.
Thx a lot
eastafspot wrote:rukundo wrote:MileHFL400 wrote:
Cargo flight using a PAX configured aircraft.
Thx a lot
Do you know if RwandAir has resumed all its pre covid-19 network ?
If not, which routes are still missing ? Its truly amazing they consider new routes (Bangui ?) nowadays. Unless for other reasons, it was in the pipeline already.
factsonly wrote:Per January 19, 2021, KLM has adjusted its operations to South Africa to operate via Dar-es-Salaam to meet COVID restrictions:
rukundo wrote:
They didn't resume services to Dakar, Abidjan, Mombasa (they use Mombasa only for fuel stop on their B737-800 service to and from Mumbai), Tel Aviv and Juba.
eastafspot wrote:Forgive my ignorance, what are these COVID restrictions?
B747-437B wrote:eastafspot wrote:Forgive my ignorance, what are these COVID restrictions?
Netherlands is requiring the crews returning from South Africa layovers to quarantine, so instead they will layover in DAR and operate a shuttle from DAR-South Africa-DAR. The crew unions have also threatened to refuse flights with SA layovers.
rukundo wrote:RwandAir B737-800 9XR-WG operating the Kigali-Dubai service diverted to Muscat due to bad the weather at Dubai, on 17Jan21.
Pix https://twitter.com/Hafedh955/status/13 ... 8397861888
It's porbably one of few destinations outside Africa that i want to see on RwandAir Network. However in 2018, Oman Air planned to serve Rwanda in the future (i think it's now postoponed due covid crisis).
"Abdulaziz al Raisi, CEO, Oman Air, said: “The launch of flights to Casablanca in Morocco from July 1 is part of these restructuring initiatives. Currently, there are four weekly flights to Guangzhou in China and we are looking at other cities such as Beijing and Shanghai.”
On the African side, the airline will be targeting countries like South Africa and Rwanda in the next few years.
https://www.omanobserver.om/oman-air-to ... at-as-hub/
RwandAir and Oman Air have already a partnership via a Interline Ticketing Agreement (https://www.omanair.com/gbl/en/alliances-and-partners). Kigali is now on Oman Air booking engine, but i don't know if it's due to the Interline Agreement or the Oman Air / Ethiopian Airlines code share.
RwandAir or Oman Air, i hope one day to make a Paris-Muscat-Kigali trip.![]()
Kigali-Bangui-Douala flights are confirmed by RwandAir, but they are waiting for some papers from Cameroon.https://en.igihe.com/news/article/rwand ... -to-bangui
I m still sceptical about this route. However it's interesting to see on various facebook pages and groups of Central African diaspora, that many people wanted to see a Bangui Brazzaville route. In deed i remmember that TAAG Angola from 2007 to mid 2010s has operated a Luanda-Brazzaville-Bangui-Ndjamena service.
eastafspot wrote:rukundo wrote:
They didn't resume services to Dakar, Abidjan, Mombasa (they use Mombasa only for fuel stop on their B737-800 service to and from Mumbai), Tel Aviv and Juba.
Wasn't MBA axed before C-19 crisis? South Sudan is still closed to all international air travels (except cargo). Strange that for DSS and ABJ, especially with the hub in COO.
AF022 wrote:eastafspot wrote:rukundo wrote:
They didn't resume services to Dakar, Abidjan, Mombasa (they use Mombasa only for fuel stop on their B737-800 service to and from Mumbai), Tel Aviv and Juba.
Wasn't MBA axed before C-19 crisis? South Sudan is still closed to all international air travels (except cargo). Strange that for DSS and ABJ, especially with the hub in COO.
Both ET and KQ are operating from their hubs to JUB, so I don't think South Sudan airspace is closed.
factsonly wrote:Per January 19, 2021, KLM has adjusted its operations to South Africa to operate via Dar-es-Salaam to meet COVID restrictions:
- KL527 AMS22.35 - 09.30DAR10.35 - JNB13.05 B77W 1,2,5,6,7
- KL528 JNB17.10 - 21.35DAR22.35 - 05.55AMS B77W 1,2,3,6,7
- KL525 AMS22.35 - 09.30DAR10.15 - 14.10CPT B772 3,4,7
- KL526 CPT 16.00 - 21.50 DAR 22.35 - 05.55AMS B772 1,4,5
KLM now operates 3x daily to DAR, early morning from AMS, evenings from JNB/CPT and the regular scheduled JRO/ZNZ-AMS.
factsonly wrote:factsonly wrote:Per January 19, 2021, KLM has adjusted its operations to South Africa to operate via Dar-es-Salaam to meet COVID restrictions:
- KL527 AMS22.35 - 09.30DAR10.35 - JNB13.05 B77W 1,2,5,6,7
- KL528 JNB17.10 - 21.35DAR22.35 - 05.55AMS B77W 1,2,3,6,7
- KL525 AMS22.35 - 09.30DAR10.15 - 14.10CPT B772 3,4,7
- KL526 CPT 16.00 - 21.50 DAR 22.35 - 05.55AMS B772 1,4,5
KLM now operates 3x daily to DAR, early morning from AMS, evenings from JNB/CPT and the regular scheduled JRO/ZNZ-AMS.
KLM has now also launched a 2nd AMS-JNB-AMS route 3x weekly with B77W via NBO:
- KL529 AMS22.50 - 08.55 NBO 09.55 - 12.55JNB B77W Wed, Thu, Fri
- KL530 JNB16.00 - 20.55 NBO 22.00 - 04.40AMS B77W Thu, Fri, Sat
Overall KLM to East Africa at present total 26x weekly and MP/KL Cargo 4x weekly:
- KL565 AMS-NBO-AMS B781 5x weekly
- KL529 AMS-NBO-JNB B77W 3x weekly
- MP8xxx AMS-NBO-JNB B74F 4x weekly
- KL527 AMS-DAR-JNB B77W 5x weekly
- KL525 AMS-DAR-CPT B772 3x weekly
- KL567 AMS-JRO-DAR B789 4x weekly (KL569/KL571)
- KL515 AMS-ZNZ-DAR B789 2x weekly
- KL535 AMS-KGL-EBB-AMS A332 4x weekly (KL537)
rukundo wrote:France has just announced that Ethiopian Airlines won't be able to serve France due to high number of imported Covid19 cases in France, from passenegers flyging with ET. Don't know when the ban will be lifted. Flights to Paris and Marseille will be suspended
Statement from the French Secretary of State for Transport
https://twitter.com/Djebbari_JB/status/ ... 6904662018
pmartin wrote:The change was to provide for a GVA ADD non stop flight to accommodate typically more premium traffic
eastafspot wrote:rukundo wrote:Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Central African Republic announced 24 hours ago that RwandAir will begin flights to Bangui. Routing will be Kigali-Bangui-Douala-Bangui-Kigali and flights will be operated 2 times a week
Is it linked to Rwandan heavy troops in CAR?
Once (3/4 years ago) they used to send the A330 frequently to Bangui.
rukundo wrote:1st flight to Bangui this morning. According to the Rwandan public media, there were 75 passengers whose final destination was Bangui. The flight making a stopover in Douala. Flight operated by B737-800 (RwandAir WB212)
Rwanda Broadcasting Agency (RBA)
@rbarwanda
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7h
For the first time, RwandAir carried 75 passengers to Bangui, which will operate twice a week (Kinyarwanda translation)
https://twitter.com/rbarwanda/status/13 ... 3023555585
Some pix
Note that Kenya Airways resumed its red eye flights to Kigal, few weeks ago
The traditional water salute
https://twitter.com/FlyRwandAir/status/ ... 4324518913
© RwandAir (Kigali)eastafspot wrote:rukundo wrote:Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Central African Republic announced 24 hours ago that RwandAir will begin flights to Bangui. Routing will be Kigali-Bangui-Douala-Bangui-Kigali and flights will be operated 2 times a week
Is it linked to Rwandan heavy troops in CAR?
Once (3/4 years ago) they used to send the A330 frequently to Bangui.
RwandAir operates soem flights for the Rwandan army deployed in peace missions in Africa or Haiti, replacing more and more Ethiopian, EuroAtlantic or Air Europa who have contracts with the UN.
RwandAir A330s are regular visitors to Bangui, as here in Bangui, in 2017. Rwanda does not have military transport planes.
Credit to the author of the Photo
YALAS wrote:If I am right that makes 4/5 airlines on the BGF-DLA route now? Never realised it was so popular.
Good for WB though expanding
As for UR I’m interested to know what London airport they will fly to. I saw a tweet saying LHR but I could find any more info regarding it. I assume it will most likely be LGW? Hopefully the announce soon. Their A330s looks mighty nice and would be good to see one up close
eastafspot wrote:YALAS wrote:If I am right that makes 4/5 airlines on the BGF-DLA route now? Never realised it was so popular.
Good for WB though expanding
As for UR I’m interested to know what London airport they will fly to. I saw a tweet saying LHR but I could find any more info regarding it. I assume it will most likely be LGW? Hopefully the announce soon. Their A330s looks mighty nice and would be good to see one up close
Interesting, which are the other operators on the Bgf-dla segments ?
Regarding Uganda Airlines, pre c-19 they said lgw, but if ops start within a couple of months it will certainly be LHR....
Travelling to the UK is a nightmare right now (even from France), hope UR will stick to DXB as first destination....
YALAS wrote:eastafspot wrote:YALAS wrote:If I am right that makes 4/5 airlines on the BGF-DLA route now? Never realised it was so popular.
Good for WB though expanding
As for UR I’m interested to know what London airport they will fly to. I saw a tweet saying LHR but I could find any more info regarding it. I assume it will most likely be LGW? Hopefully the announce soon. Their A330s looks mighty nice and would be good to see one up close
Interesting, which are the other operators on the Bgf-dla segments ?
Regarding Uganda Airlines, pre c-19 they said lgw, but if ops start within a couple of months it will certainly be LHR....
Travelling to the UK is a nightmare right now (even from France), hope UR will stick to DXB as first destination....
According to Flightradar (and Wikipedia as well - I know it’s not too accurate) it’s WB, KQ, KP, AT and HF
Not sure if they all have 5th freedom on it but apparently they all fly it at least.
eastafspot wrote:reply to Berari #111I wouldn't be surprised if ET would welcome getting out of this agreement with Malawian. We all know it did not grow into something similar what Asky did at Lome. With recent progress in Zambia however, and with a newer terminal in Lusaka, it's in ET's best interest to walk away from Malawian and go big at Lusaka.
rukundo wrote:A little bite suprised to see once again this info. I was already not very optimistic for such flights, but now with the covid crisis.
If people are interested to get more infos about RwandAir (financial situations between 2016 and 2019 ), you can get maany infos from this document.
In deed RwandAir has made another request to the FAA, to serve New York, from Kigali via Accra (Ghana). RwandAir has already get its FAA Cat 1 few years ago. The airline can put its code share on flights to USA operated by another airline. Someone can confirm me, but i think that RwandAir A330s can also operate flights for an airline which serves USA.
Only Rwanda CAA needs to get FAA Cat 1 (audit was planned to happen in 2018 https://www.theeastafrican.co.ke/tea/bu ... er-1394830) before flights start (around december 2021). Since mid 2010s, many upgrade have made at Kigali Airport
Another meeting happened in 2019
RwandaCAA
@RwandaCAA
Following @aviationafrica @RwandaCAA and @FlyRwandAir meet @FAA delegation led by Executive Director Office of International Affairs Mr Chris Rocheleau in Kigali, #Rwanda.
https://twitter.com/rwandacaa/status/11 ... 4010864642
Accra is served by RwandAir since 2013, 4 times a week via Abuja (Nigeria) mostly using B737S and sometimes the A330. This flights was previously operated by Lagos (Nigeria), during a few period the aircraft made a night stop at Accra.
https://beta.regulations.gov/document/D ... -0049-0006
eastafspot wrote:First of all, happy new year to everyone![]()
Unlike 2020, this might be a very dynamic year in the region...
Govnerment of Burundi to revive (Air Burundi) or launch the new national company Burundi Airlines. According to various sites, SN Brussels Airlines will have a 4% stake in it... is it really true?
rukundo wrote:If people are interested to get more infos about RwandAir (financial situations between 2016 and 2019 ), you can get maany infos from this document.
rukundo wrote:rukundo wrote:
I forgot to say that USA is the biggest market for Rwanda outside Africa, ahead United Kingdom and India. And of course, RwandAir serves Kenya, Tanzania and South Africa which are big markets for USA. But i have doubt about the success for this route
B747-437B wrote:rukundo wrote:If people are interested to get more infos about RwandAir (financial situations between 2016 and 2019 ), you can get maany infos from this document.
The most interesting thing in the filing is their updated financials from 2019.
$221m revenue
$169m losses
$143m Government subsidy
Effectively the Government of Rwanda spends around 1.5% of their national GDP (and nearly 12% of the aid they receive from other countries) to subsidise this loss making operation.
And this was BEFORE COVID-19. I can't imagine what the 2020 financials are going to look like, let alone 2021.
AF022 wrote:rukundo wrote:rukundo wrote:
I forgot to say that USA is the biggest market for Rwanda outside Africa, ahead United Kingdom and India. And of course, RwandAir serves Kenya, Tanzania and South Africa which are big markets for USA. But i have doubt about the success for this route
Even if the USA is the biggest market for Rwanda outside of Africa, how much traffic can that possibly be? It sounds like it might be the biggest of some extremely small markets. And by flying to JFK, how are they going to access the rest of the continent? Are they in a codeshare with anyone?
I can't see how this is going to work. Vanity project. Rwandair doesn't seem to tire of losing money. I would think they are already losing lots of money on their intercontinental routes.