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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2021

Mon Jul 05, 2021 1:14 am

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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2021

Mon Jul 05, 2021 2:50 pm

Breeze's inaugural flight used C49.
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2021

Mon Jul 05, 2021 9:49 pm

DeltaRules wrote:
Breeze's inaugural flight used C49.


Thanks Delta Rules. I went down to take a look when we went to watch fireworks from the top deck of the parking garage (cool experience btw) and saw the new ticket counter location. It would appear that there is no more room at the inn for any new carriers, but I don’t think there would be anymore to come in the near future.

Thanks for the heads up about AA MIA and LGA mainline. Will be nice if that holds, but that same schedule only appears to show 1x to PHX and no mainline to CLT. However, it has JFK back (good) but not LAX. I guess we will see as it gets closer.

Btw, any word on how full NKs flights to LAX have been? I hope both those and PNS have been and will be successful, I would love to see NK ramp up ops at CMH even more.
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2021

Tue Jul 06, 2021 1:24 am

brooklynchris13 wrote:
DeltaRules wrote:
Breeze's inaugural flight used C49.


Thanks Delta Rules. I went down to take a look when we went to watch fireworks from the top deck of the parking garage (cool experience btw) and saw the new ticket counter location. It would appear that there is no more room at the inn for any new carriers, but I don’t think there would be anymore to come in the near future.

Thanks for the heads up about AA MIA and LGA mainline. Will be nice if that holds, but that same schedule only appears to show 1x to PHX and no mainline to CLT. However, it has JFK back (good) but not LAX. I guess we will see as it gets closer.

Btw, any word on how full NKs flights to LAX have been? I hope both those and PNS have been and will be successful, I would love to see NK ramp up ops at CMH even more.


Fortunately, other than B6 or somebody like Avelo or WS/PD, there's really nobody else to come to town; CMH has everybody else.

As for AA (and DL), CRAA's marketing materials still list CMH-LAX as suspended, while some other routes (CMH-SEA on DL, for one) have disappeared. It doesn't help that NK are (presumably) trashing yields, but maybe they know something we don't.
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2021

Wed Jul 07, 2021 12:33 pm

DeltaRules wrote:
As for AA (and DL), CRAA's marketing materials still list CMH-LAX as suspended, while some other routes (CMH-SEA on DL, for one) have disappeared. It doesn't help that NK are (presumably) trashing yields, but maybe they know something we don't.


WN adding CMH-LAX nonstop service might be a possibility with WN having previously operated MKE-LAX nonstop service which didn't have any nonstop competition two years ago, but NK now serves LAX nonstop from MKE. WN is also currently the only airline serving MDW and HOU nonstop from LAX, but other airlines serve ORD and IAH nonstop from LAX.

There would also be some connecting opportunities to the San Francisco Bay Area through LAX on WN if WN adds CMH-LAX nonstop service.

WN adding CVG-LAX nonstop service might also be a possibility with (a) the significant amount of demand that was there to Greater Los Angeles from CVG prior to the COVID-19 pandemic, (b) F9 completely pulling out of LAX this fall, and (c) F9 having already permanently dropped CVG-LAX nonstop service. WN would also be able to offer connections to the San Francisco Bay Area through LAX if it adds CVG-LAX nonstop service.

WN would also probably be able to more easily fill CVG-LAX nonstop flights than F9 since (a) WN would be operating CVG-LAX nonstop flights on planes with fewer seats than F9's A320/A320neo/A321 planes and (b) WN would have some connecting traffic to the San Francisco Bay Area on CVG-LAX flights whereas F9 didn't offer any connections to other West Coast markets on its CVG-LAX nonstop flights.
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2021

Wed Jul 07, 2021 1:45 pm

While UA currently serves CHS and PNS nonstop from CVG, DL re-adding CVG-CHS/PNS nonstop service might be a possibility with DL having a much bigger presence at CHS and PNS than UA does to support the return of CVG-CHS/PNS nonstop service.

Is DL likely to announce the return of CVG-CHS/PNS nonstop service?
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2021

Wed Jul 07, 2021 2:15 pm

jplatts wrote:
While UA currently serves CHS and PNS nonstop from CVG, DL re-adding CVG-CHS/PNS nonstop service might be a possibility with DL having a much bigger presence at CHS and PNS than UA does to support the return of CVG-CHS/PNS nonstop service.

Is DL likely to announce the return of CVG-CHS/PNS nonstop service?

It makes little sense for DL to overfly ATL unless a route has enough demand to support a mainline aircraft. DLs regional fleet is constrained due to scope limitations/parking of mainline aircraft. Once more business demand returns (and more regional aircraft can fly) they could add weekend leisure routes to increase the utilization of CVG based Endeavor crews. In years past they usually just add additional frequencies to existing Florida routes, but other routes could work as well.
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2021

Thu Jul 08, 2021 1:41 pm

DL has loaded a 757 on CVG-ATL as well! First time having the 757 regularly scheduled in CVG in quite some time!

CVG-ATL schedule for August:
1xB763
1xB752
2xB739
1xB738
2xA320

As unfortunate as the closing of the 737 base was, it definitely has given DL the opportunity to be flexible with aircraft types.
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2021

Tue Jul 13, 2021 2:03 am

On the week of August 15th Allegiant cuts their flight schedule from CVG way back. This is a regular thing with them so nothing to be concerned about.

During the same week American makes some changes.

Before the 17th

CLT
1x A319
3x CR7
2x E175

DCA
2x E175

DFW
2x A319
2x B737
1x E175

LGA
1x E170

MIA
2x E175

ORD
1x CR7
2x E145
3x E175

PHL
1x CR7
2x CR9
3x E145

After the 17th

CLT
1x A319
1x A320
1x CR7
2x CR9
1x E175

DCA
1x CR9
2x E175

DFW
1x A319
2x B737
2x E175

LGA
1x E170
1x E175

MIA
2x E175

ORD
2x E145
4x E175

PHL
5x CR7

PHX
1x B737
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2021

Tue Jul 13, 2021 1:12 pm

This may have been pointed out by someone before, but I noticed over the last few days United has been running a 737-900 from IAH once a day. Good to see a mainline on this route.
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2021

Tue Jul 13, 2021 5:42 pm

Somewhat off topic, but maybe someone on here has information on this. Under the United's latest CBA, they outsourced a good majority of their outstations, including CMH. I'm not sure what the wording is with American's CBA, but their below wing staff is outsourced, but the above wing is mainline AA. With both CBA, what would be the mainline threshold to bring back mainlines employees to these stations? Also, before the US/AA merger, did US have mainline employees below wing at CMH or was it also outsourced?
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2021

Tue Jul 13, 2021 5:53 pm

I believe both US and AA below-wing were outsourced shortly before the merger. I recall it was Jetstream that performed the ramp duties for US. I believe it's all under envoy now. Not sure what number of mainline flights is needed to qualify for the ramp to be insourced, but I think the previous number flown from CMH was just enough to keep above wing operated by AA.

I doubt CMH will ever come back as a station operated by mainline employees. I think even when SFO was operating and there was mainline to DEN and ORD, it still fell pretty far below the necessary number of mainline flights to be operated by mainline staff.
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2021

Tue Jul 13, 2021 10:01 pm

CMHARJ wrote:
Somewhat off topic, but maybe someone on here has information on this. Under the United's latest CBA, they outsourced a good majority of their outstations, including CMH. I'm not sure what the wording is with American's CBA, but their below wing staff is outsourced, but the above wing is mainline AA. With both CBA, what would be the mainline threshold to bring back mainlines employees to these stations? Also, before the US/AA merger, did US have mainline employees below wing at CMH or was it also outsourced?


Looking at below wing…

In the AA/TWU-IAM contract, the threshold is:

Class II airport (75% of below wing work must be mainline): annual average of 140 mainline departures per week (equates to average of 20 a day).

Class I airport (100% of below wing work must be mainline): annual average of 175 mainline departures per week (equates to average of 25 a day).

In the UA/IAM contract, the threshold is:

A 9 month average of 35 jet aircraft departures a day (any combination of mainline UA and/or UAX)

Both contracts also have a list of hub/large stations that cannot be outsourced period. Obviously, CMH is not on either of those lists. Thanks for sending me on this scavenger hunt! I am a union-side negotiator in a different industry so it was quite fun locating and reviewing the applicable CBA provisions.
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2021

Tue Jul 13, 2021 10:55 pm

CMHtraveler wrote:
CMHARJ wrote:
Somewhat off topic, but maybe someone on here has information on this. Under the United's latest CBA, they outsourced a good majority of their outstations, including CMH. I'm not sure what the wording is with American's CBA, but their below wing staff is outsourced, but the above wing is mainline AA. With both CBA, what would be the mainline threshold to bring back mainlines employees to these stations? Also, before the US/AA merger, did US have mainline employees below wing at CMH or was it also outsourced?


Looking at below wing…

In the AA/TWU-IAM contract, the threshold is:

Class II airport (75% of below wing work must be mainline): annual average of 140 mainline departures per week (equates to average of 20 a day).

Class I airport (100% of below wing work must be mainline): annual average of 175 mainline departures per week (equates to average of 25 a day).

In the UA/IAM contract, the threshold is:

A 9 month average of 35 jet aircraft departures a day (any combination of mainline UA and/or UAX)

Both contracts also have a list of hub/large stations that cannot be outsourced period. Obviously, CMH is not on either of those lists. Thanks for sending me on this scavenger hunt! I am a union-side negotiator in a different industry so it was quite fun locating and reviewing the applicable CBA provisions.


Thank you for the help! Assuming CMH is a Class II airport, having 20 mainline flights per day is a VERY HIGH bar to hurdle. At the current rate, here are the number of AA mainline flights out of CMH (July 2021):
CLT: 2
DCA: 0
DFW: 3
ORD: 0 (Proposed 1 M/L in Nov)
MIA: 0 (Proposed 1 M/L in Nov)
PHX: 2
LGA: 0 (Proposed 1 M/L in Nov)

UA Mainline Departures (July 2021)
DEN: 0
IAH: 1
EWR: 0
ORD: 0
IAD: 0
PWM: 0
CHS: 0

I just realize how low the amount of UA mainline flight activity is. I'm shocked. They used to have daily DEN and ORD service, plus SFO. Does that rule also apply to above-wing employees? With AA, the 20 flights a day is not going to happen. This reminds me of the days when NW went through bankruptcy and outsourced all the 40 Hour Rule Stations and in order to bring them back as M/L, they must average 70 M/L and CP flights per week for 9 consecutive months. We all knew that was never going to happen. Once a station was flirting with the 70 flights at month #8, expect a couple of those M/L flights to be replaced by an RJ at month #9.
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2021

Thu Jul 15, 2021 6:17 pm

https://thepointsguy.com/news/play-eyes-us-expansion/

Good afternoon everyone. Exciting to see another low cost TATL carrier. As they are limited to the eastern half of the US (apparently) what do we think about the possibilities of service to any of our Ohio airports? Specifically CVG, CLE, or CMH?
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2021

Thu Jul 15, 2021 7:28 pm

brooklynchris13 wrote:
https://thepointsguy.com/news/play-eyes-us-expansion/

Good afternoon everyone. Exciting to see another low cost TATL carrier. As they are limited to the eastern half of the US (apparently) what do we think about the possibilities of service to any of our Ohio airports? Specifically CVG, CLE, or CMH?


If they really are the reincarnation of WW, presumably they'd go back to PIT, CVG, and CLE based off last time, though CMH may finally get a look if JobsOhio backs a dump truck full of money up to their HQ.
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2021

Thu Jul 15, 2021 8:21 pm

brooklynchris13 wrote:
https://thepointsguy.com/news/play-eyes-us-expansion/

Good afternoon everyone. Exciting to see another low cost TATL carrier. As they are limited to the eastern half of the US (apparently) what do we think about the possibilities of service to any of our Ohio airports? Specifically CVG, CLE, or CMH?


I agree that PLAY should seriously consider serving our Ohio cities. FWIW, I remember that WW had good load factors for the short time that they served CVG.

There is a trip report in another A*Net forum, about their inaugural flight from the UK to Iceland. Here is a link . . . viewtopic.php?f=9&t=1462305

I wish PLAY well. The only thing that I have against them is their choice of robitussin-red for their livery!
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2021

Fri Jul 16, 2021 8:04 pm

Looks like the first celebration for a Breeze inaugural out of CMH was for today's to MSY:

https://www.facebook.com/columbusairpor ... 8704218287

If you watch the Facebook Story, there's a comment made by their CFO which indicates expansion is in play. Whether it's PR fluff or not will remain to be seen, but with him being flanked by DeWine, it might add more fuel to that fire.
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2021

Sat Jul 17, 2021 3:38 am

Because I happen to have the spreadsheet up.

Here are January International loads for CVG/CMH

CMH
AA CUN 32% (41% out, 22.5% back)

CVG
DL CUN 33% (29% out, 37% back)
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2021

Sat Jul 17, 2021 4:12 pm

Summarized DL changes at CVG the past few weeks:
CVG-ATL 8<7 (2x/day on 757 through end of schedule though!)
CVG-AUS 0<2
CVG-BOS 5<3
CVG-DTW 6<5
CVG-TPA 2<1

Routes that have not returned yet:
CVG-DFW/ORD resume Oct 6
CVG-CDG resume 3x/weekly for Oct 30-March 25, daily returning March 26
CVG-BWI/PHL/RDU resume Nov 8
CVG-SFO resumes April 1

CVG-BDL/CLT/CUN/IAH/MCI/PHX/STL/YYZ remain suspended through the end of the schedule
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2021

Sat Jul 17, 2021 8:30 pm

a320flyer wrote:
Summarized DL changes at CVG the past few weeks:
CVG-ATL 8<7 (2x/day on 757 through end of schedule though!)
CVG-AUS 0<2
CVG-BOS 5<3
CVG-DTW 6<5
CVG-TPA 2<1

Routes that have not returned yet:
CVG-DFW/ORD resume Oct 6
CVG-CDG resume 3x/weekly for Oct 30-March 25, daily returning March 26
CVG-BWI/PHL/RDU resume Nov 8
CVG-SFO resumes April 1

CVG-BDL/CLT/CUN/IAH/MCI/PHX/STL/YYZ remain suspended through the end of the schedule


When do most of the changes in your first list take place/when is the current end of schedule? I want to do a rundown for CMH and DAY.

Supposedly, PIT-ATL goes all-757 around the holidays.
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2021

Sat Jul 17, 2021 10:09 pm

Here were the number of passengers, number of seats, and load factors for WN flights out of CMH and CVG in April 2021:
ATL-CMH - 13971 passengers, 17678 seats, 79.03% load factor
BNA-CMH - 8028 passengers, 9425 seats, 85.18% load factor
BWI-CMH - 14916 passengers, 19383 seats, 76.95% load factor
CMH-DAL - 5209 passengers, 6518 seats, 79.92% load factor
CMH-DEN - 13136 passengers, 15917 seats, 82.53% load factor
CMH-FLL - 6442 passengers, 7788 seats, 82.72% load factor
CMH-HOU - 6039 passengers, 7564 seats, 79.84% load factor
CMH-LAS - 8982 passengers, 9715 seats, 92.45% load factor
CMH-MCO - 20141 passengers, 25090 seats, 80.28% load factor
CMH-MDW - 15591 passengers, 18803 seats, 82.92% load factor
CMH-PHX - 11504 passengers, 14090 seats, 81.65% load factor
CMH-RSW - 18746 passengers, 23528 seats, 79.68% load factor
CMH-SRQ - 1070 passengers, 1287 seats, 83.14% load factor
CMH-TPA - 13153 passengers, 16487 seats, 79.78% load factor
BWI-CVG - 13169 passengers, 19582 seats, 67.25% load factor
CVG-DEN - 8135 passengers, 9122 seats, 89.18% load factor
CVG-HOU - 5615 passengers, 7361 seats, 76.28% load factor
CVG-MCO - 6084 passengers, 8236 seats, 73.87% load factor
CVG-MDW - 7236 passengers, 8644 seats, 83.71% load factor
CVG-PHX - 3813 passengers, 4166 seats, 91.53% load factor
CVG-TPA - 2919 passengers, 4038 seats, 72.29% load factor
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2021

Sun Jul 18, 2021 1:06 am

WN had higher load factors on CVG-MDW in April 2021 than it did on that route in previous months (even prior to the COVID-19 pandemic), but WN was down to 1x daily on CVG-MDW in April 2021.
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2021

Sun Jul 18, 2021 1:36 am

DeltaRules wrote:
a320flyer wrote:
Summarized DL changes at CVG the past few weeks:
CVG-ATL 8<7 (2x/day on 757 through end of schedule though!)
CVG-AUS 0<2
CVG-BOS 5<3
CVG-DTW 6<5
CVG-TPA 2<1

Routes that have not returned yet:
CVG-DFW/ORD resume Oct 6
CVG-CDG resume 3x/weekly for Oct 30-March 25, daily returning March 26
CVG-BWI/PHL/RDU resume Nov 8
CVG-SFO resumes April 1

CVG-BDL/CLT/CUN/IAH/MCI/PHX/STL/YYZ remain suspended through the end of the schedule


When do most of the changes in your first list take place/when is the current end of schedule? I want to do a rundown for CMH and DAY.

Supposedly, PIT-ATL goes all-757 around the holidays.

Most were scheduled to go up in frequency (returning to pre-COVID levels) on Sept 15, Oct 6, or Nov 8, but the reduced frequency was pushed through the end of the schedule.

The current domestic schedule is in two phases through either Oct 6 or Nov 8.
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2021

Sun Jul 18, 2021 4:00 pm

a320flyer wrote:
DeltaRules wrote:
a320flyer wrote:
Summarized DL changes at CVG the past few weeks:
CVG-ATL 8<7 (2x/day on 757 through end of schedule though!)
CVG-AUS 0<2
CVG-BOS 5<3
CVG-DTW 6<5
CVG-TPA 2<1

Routes that have not returned yet:
CVG-DFW/ORD resume Oct 6
CVG-CDG resume 3x/weekly for Oct 30-March 25, daily returning March 26
CVG-BWI/PHL/RDU resume Nov 8
CVG-SFO resumes April 1

CVG-BDL/CLT/CUN/IAH/MCI/PHX/STL/YYZ remain suspended through the end of the schedule


When do most of the changes in your first list take place/when is the current end of schedule? I want to do a rundown for CMH and DAY.

Supposedly, PIT-ATL goes all-757 around the holidays.

Most were scheduled to go up in frequency (returning to pre-COVID levels) on Sept 15, Oct 6, or Nov 8, but the reduced frequency was pushed through the end of the schedule.

The current domestic schedule is in two phases through either Oct 6 or Nov 8.


Thanks. Using 11/8 for grins:
CMH:
-ATL- 7x 739
-BOS- 3x E75
-DTW- 5x CR9
-JFK- 3x E75 (returns)
-LGA- 5x E75
-MSP- 1x 739, 4x CR9
Suspended- LAX, RDU, SLC

DAY:
-ATL- 4x 717 (back to 100% mainline, which is good to see; DL must still see value at DAY)
-DTW- 4x CRJ
-MSP- 2x CRJ
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2021

Sun Jul 18, 2021 8:37 pm

DeltaRules wrote:
a320flyer wrote:
DeltaRules wrote:

When do most of the changes in your first list take place/when is the current end of schedule? I want to do a rundown for CMH and DAY.

Supposedly, PIT-ATL goes all-757 around the holidays.

Most were scheduled to go up in frequency (returning to pre-COVID levels) on Sept 15, Oct 6, or Nov 8, but the reduced frequency was pushed through the end of the schedule.

The current domestic schedule is in two phases through either Oct 6 or Nov 8.


Thanks. Using 11/8 for grins:
CMH:
-ATL- 7x 739
-BOS- 3x E75
-DTW- 5x CR9
-JFK- 3x E75 (returns)
-LGA- 5x E75
-MSP- 1x 739, 4x CR9
Suspended- LAX, RDU, SLC

DAY:
-ATL- 4x 717 (back to 100% mainline, which is good to see; DL must still see value at DAY)
-DTW- 4x CRJ
-MSP- 2x CRJ


Glad to see JFK returning. Since AA is going to go mainline to LGA in Nov, I wonder if DL will follow suit. Also, I'm sure the DAY employees are relieved to see mainline back. I would have gotten nervous if I worked at that station and not seeing any mainline planes. There's no contract that would save those mainline employees. If DL really wanted to play hardball, they could downgrade the above-wing employees to DGS, which is what's been done to other similar size operation stations.
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2021

Mon Jul 19, 2021 2:13 am

CMHARJ wrote:
DeltaRules wrote:
a320flyer wrote:
Most were scheduled to go up in frequency (returning to pre-COVID levels) on Sept 15, Oct 6, or Nov 8, but the reduced frequency was pushed through the end of the schedule.

The current domestic schedule is in two phases through either Oct 6 or Nov 8.


Thanks. Using 11/8 for grins:
CMH:
-ATL- 7x 739
-BOS- 3x E75
-DTW- 5x CR9
-JFK- 3x E75 (returns)
-LGA- 5x E75
-MSP- 1x 739, 4x CR9
Suspended- LAX, RDU, SLC

DAY:
-ATL- 4x 717 (back to 100% mainline, which is good to see; DL must still see value at DAY)
-DTW- 4x CRJ
-MSP- 2x CRJ


Glad to see JFK returning. Since AA is going to go mainline to LGA in Nov, I wonder if DL will follow suit. Also, I'm sure the DAY employees are relieved to see mainline back. I would have gotten nervous if I worked at that station and not seeing any mainline planes. There's no contract that would save those mainline employees. If DL really wanted to play hardball, they could downgrade the above-wing employees to DGS, which is what's been done to other similar size operation stations.


CMH-JFK restart is currently scheduled for Oct 6th. But given that they have only updated the schedule that far for certain routes, restart could get pushed further back.
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2021

Tue Jul 20, 2021 8:51 pm

How have pax loads been on Alaska's service between CVG & SEA?
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2021

Wed Jul 21, 2021 4:31 am

The Alaska backdrop at C49 at CMH has been covered by a blank blue one, presumably for the shared use between AS and MX. That's a bit disappointing, as the AS one was eyecatching and they'd even recently added a OneWorld logo.
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2021

Wed Jul 21, 2021 4:45 pm

DeltaRules wrote:
The Alaska backdrop at C49 at CMH has been covered by a blank blue one, presumably for the shared use between AS and MX. That's a bit disappointing, as the AS one was eyecatching and they'd even recently added a OneWorld logo.


Since AS is OneWorld, it would make more sense if they moved to Terminal B near AA gates. They'd fit nicely at any of the southside gates (B-21, 23, or 25).
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2021

Sat Jul 24, 2021 3:23 pm

SkyVoice wrote:
How have pax loads been on Alaska's service between CVG & SEA?

Flights are pretty full on both DL and AS, however fares are extremely low. This is more than double the capacity the route was seeing pre-covid, so it's no surprise seeing such fares. Given the OneWorld/SkyTeam competitive situation (CVG-AUS/BOS/SEA), it remains to be seen how sustainable this massive increase in capacity is.

One-way Lowest Fares:
CVG-SEA: $109 (2x DL/AS)
IND-SEA: $139 (1x AS)
STL-SEA: $139 (3x AS/WN)
CMH-SEA: $149 (1x AS)
RDU-SEA: $149 (3x AS/DL)
MKE-SEA: $159 (1x AS)
PIT-SEA: $199 (1x AS)
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2021

Sat Jul 24, 2021 5:09 pm

a320flyer wrote:
SkyVoice wrote:
How have pax loads been on Alaska's service between CVG & SEA?

Flights are pretty full on both DL and AS, however fares are extremely low. This is more than double the capacity the route was seeing pre-covid, so it's no surprise seeing such fares. Given the OneWorld/SkyTeam competitive situation (CVG-AUS/BOS/SEA), it remains to be seen how sustainable this massive increase in capacity is.

One-way Lowest Fares:
CVG-SEA: $109 (2x DL/AS)
IND-SEA: $139 (1x AS)
STL-SEA: $139 (3x AS/WN)
CMH-SEA: $149 (1x AS)
RDU-SEA: $149 (3x AS/DL)
MKE-SEA: $159 (1x AS)
PIT-SEA: $199 (1x AS)


Interesting that AS is pricing higher than DL on CVG-SEA (and presumably yielding higher as well?), and not that much lower than the other stations, except PIT.

Any figures for First, by any chance?

EDIT: Ignore that, I was looking at the IND figures :oops:
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2021

Sun Jul 25, 2021 6:00 pm

It seems as though we get one of these articles each year. Don’t kill the messenger!

WFMJ NBC Youngstown - Announcement of new passenger air service to Youngstown may come this Fall
Link: https://www.wfmj.com/story/44276635/ann ... -this-fall

“"We are also talking to a number of other airlines about service out of this area, both to the Chicagos and the Newarks and the Dulleses in Washington, D.C., but also the Florida flights," Moliterno said Friday.

"Ohio has not always been as accommodating in terms of financial support to its airports as other states have been," said Moliterno. "But now that has changed. Our hope is that we're able to put together an agreement with an airline and be able to make an announcement sometime this Fall about plans for 2022."
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2021

Mon Jul 26, 2021 10:44 am

CRAA July Board meeting agenda is out. Of note:

- The return of strong load factors in June led by AA and AS (95%!!!). Rather surprisingly NK had the lowest overall load factor at 81%. Can’t help but wonder how the new PNS and LAX flights are doing.
- Nardone reports that July is expected to be even stronger, notes that July 18 was the busiest day at CMH since the start of the pandemic with nearly 12,500 departing passengers.
- Passengers were down 26% vs June 2019 but up 249% over June 2020. The new format with both comparisons is nice.
- New terminal discussion is back. Slide 42 includes a map with the proposed location as well as proposed taxiway C realignment to accommodate the build out.
- No Breeze numbers until next month obviously.

https://columbusairports.com/storage/pr ... 7-2021.pdf
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2021

Mon Jul 26, 2021 1:09 pm

CMHtraveler wrote:
CRAA July Board meeting agenda is out. Of note:

- The return of strong load factors in June led by AA and AS (95%!!!). Rather surprisingly NK had the lowest overall load factor at 81%. Can’t help but wonder how the new PNS and LAX flights are doing.
- Nardone reports that July is expected to be even stronger, notes that July 18 was the busiest day at CMH since the start of the pandemic with nearly 12,500 departing passengers.
- Passengers were down 26% vs June 2019 but up 249% over June 2020. The new format with both comparisons is nice.
- New terminal discussion is back. Slide 42 includes a map with the proposed location as well as proposed taxiway C realignment to accommodate the build out.
- No Breeze numbers until next month obviously.

https://columbusairports.com/storage/pr ... 7-2021.pdf
NK load factor on LAX has been high. PNS seems to be taking a bit to spool up. I wonder if the additional frequencies to MCO, FLL, RSW dragged down the LF a bit?

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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2021

Mon Jul 26, 2021 1:33 pm

Moonship wrote:
CMHtraveler wrote:
CRAA July Board meeting agenda is out. Of note:

- The return of strong load factors in June led by AA and AS (95%!!!). Rather surprisingly NK had the lowest overall load factor at 81%. Can’t help but wonder how the new PNS and LAX flights are doing.
- Nardone reports that July is expected to be even stronger, notes that July 18 was the busiest day at CMH since the start of the pandemic with nearly 12,500 departing passengers.
- Passengers were down 26% vs June 2019 but up 249% over June 2020. The new format with both comparisons is nice.
- New terminal discussion is back. Slide 42 includes a map with the proposed location as well as proposed taxiway C realignment to accommodate the build out.
- No Breeze numbers until next month obviously.

https://columbusairports.com/storage/pr ... 7-2021.pdf
NK load factor on LAX has been high. PNS seems to be taking a bit to spool up. I wonder if the additional frequencies to MCO, FLL, RSW dragged down the LF a bit?

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Very glad to hear that LAX is doing well. Hopefully it sticks and we get one of the legacies back on it as well. As for PNS, can’t say I regularly hear of central Ohioans headed there for vacation in the same manner as the Carolinas or Orlando, so it’s not too surprising if it’s slower. I do appreciate NK’s aggressive expansion at CMH and hope it continues.
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2021

Mon Jul 26, 2021 5:40 pm

Oct 7, 2021 sees some nice up gauging from AA at CMH. More mainlines to CLT

CMH-CLT 6 flights - 2x 175s, 1x 737, 3X 319s
CMH-PHX 2 flights - 2x 321s
CMH-DFW 4flights - 4x 737s. eff AUG 18
and both CMH-DCA and CMH-BOS each gain an additional flight.
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2021

Mon Jul 26, 2021 6:20 pm

Moonship wrote:
CMHtraveler wrote:
CRAA July Board meeting agenda is out. Of note:

- The return of strong load factors in June led by AA and AS (95%!!!). Rather surprisingly NK had the lowest overall load factor at 81%. Can’t help but wonder how the new PNS and LAX flights are doing.
- Nardone reports that July is expected to be even stronger, notes that July 18 was the busiest day at CMH since the start of the pandemic with nearly 12,500 departing passengers.
- Passengers were down 26% vs June 2019 but up 249% over June 2020. The new format with both comparisons is nice.
- New terminal discussion is back. Slide 42 includes a map with the proposed location as well as proposed taxiway C realignment to accommodate the build out.
- No Breeze numbers until next month obviously.

https://columbusairports.com/storage/pr ... 7-2021.pdf
NK load factor on LAX has been high. PNS seems to be taking a bit to spool up. I wonder if the additional frequencies to MCO, FLL, RSW dragged down the LF a bit?

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I would imagine MYR might not be great considering all the capacity going there this year from Columbus.
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2021

Tue Jul 27, 2021 2:36 am

miaami wrote:
Oct 7, 2021 sees some nice up gauging from AA at CMH. More mainlines to CLT

CMH-CLT 6 flights - 2x 175s, 1x 737, 3X 319s
CMH-PHX 2 flights - 2x 321s
CMH-DFW 4flights - 4x 737s. eff AUG 18
and both CMH-DCA and CMH-BOS each gain an additional flight.


Isn't LGA scheduled to see some mainline action around that time period?
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2021

Tue Jul 27, 2021 2:51 am

miaami wrote:
Oct 7, 2021 sees some nice up gauging from AA at CMH. More mainlines to CLT

CMH-CLT 6 flights - 2x 175s, 1x 737, 3X 319s
CMH-PHX 2 flights - 2x 321s
CMH-DFW 4flights - 4x 737s. eff AUG 18
and both CMH-DCA and CMH-BOS each gain an additional flight.


I'm looking at Nov 15 departures and here's the current mainline flights

CLT: 0 (All Eagle)
DFW: 3x 737s, 2x 319s
LGA: 1x 319
MIA: 1x 319
ORD: 0 (All Eagle)
PHL: 0 (All Eagle)
PHX: 1x 319
 
miaami
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2021

Tue Jul 27, 2021 3:13 am

CMHARJ wrote:
miaami wrote:
Oct 7, 2021 sees some nice up gauging from AA at CMH. More mainlines to CLT

CMH-CLT 6 flights - 2x 175s, 1x 737, 3X 319s
CMH-PHX 2 flights - 2x 321s
CMH-DFW 4flights - 4x 737s. eff AUG 18
and both CMH-DCA and CMH-BOS each gain an additional flight.


I'm looking at Nov 15 departures and here's the current mainline flights

CLT: 0 (All Eagle)
DFW: 3x 737s, 2x 319s
LGA: 1x 319
MIA: 1x 319
ORD: 0 (All Eagle)
PHL: 0 (All Eagle)
PHX: 1x 319


Although some of the November flights may be accurate I doubt the November schedule is finalized yet. Even the October schedule could change. Needless to say the schedules are fluid through the rest of the year.
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2021

Tue Jul 27, 2021 3:56 pm

Speaking of schedule extensions, it looks like WN CMH-STL will finally return Sunday, 10/17 at 1x daily. This is a change by WN in OAG so it appears real this time. Another pre-COVID dot back on the map.
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2021

Thu Jul 29, 2021 1:29 am

I was just doing a random flight schedule and low and behold, AS will begin flying nonstop to PDX from CMH, along with service to SEA. Looking at Sept 10 schedule.

AS741 5:40p-7:46p

Return PDX-CMH
AS740 9:00a-4:39p

Was not expecting this news at all. Great to hear that Alaska is expanding in CMH!
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2021

Thu Jul 29, 2021 1:43 am

CMHARJ wrote:
I was just doing a random flight schedule and low and behold, AS will begin flying nonstop to PDX from CMH, along with service to SEA. Looking at Sept 10 schedule.

AS741 5:40p-7:46p

Return PDX-CMH
AS740 9:00a-4:39p

Was not expecting this news at all. Great to hear that Alaska is expanding in CMH!


Sep 10th is the only day I’m seeing a nonstop… maybe it’s a sports charter? Would be odd for Columbus to get PDX before SEA goes 2x daily.

Edit: I see a nonstop on the 12th too.
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2021

Thu Jul 29, 2021 1:58 am

CMHARJ wrote:
I was just doing a random flight schedule and low and behold, AS will begin flying nonstop to PDX from CMH, along with service to SEA. Looking at Sept 10 schedule.

AS741 5:40p-7:46p

Return PDX-CMH
AS740 9:00a-4:39p

Was not expecting this news at all. Great to hear that Alaska is expanding in CMH!


Oregon is playing Ohio state in football on 9/11. Sports charter for fans to get to the game quicker since Eugene is down the road from Portland
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2021

Thu Jul 29, 2021 2:57 pm

Wow, great find on the PDX extra sections for the Ohio State/Oregon game. Nice to see AS has the confidence in the market to take the initiative to add these flights. Pleasantly surprised by their June load factor. Hope the demand continues to be high and we can once again talk about additional flights to SEA come summer of 2022.

Really happy with American's continued upgauge of routes from CMH. The double-daily 321s to PHX is great to see and I don't think CLT has seen this much mainline since the USAir days when 737-300s and DC-9s dominated the route! The additional lift to BOS and DCA is welcomed also. Given they had the highest LF of the big 3 in June, it looks like their aggressive scheduling is paying off. I really don't think the schedules are finalized for November. The mainline to LGA has been a placeholder for some time now, and I can't see CLT going from 4 mainline to all-RJ in a month. I would really like to see AA take their schedule to the next level and add LAX back as well as bring on AUS. Not sure what the likelihood is for both, but hopeful that it's in the pipeline.

On the United side, the August schedule now has a mainline jet on one of the CMH-ORD runs with a 73G. CMH-IAH looses the mid-morning 739 but the first A.M. flight goes from an E75 to a 319. September brings an end to the CHS, HHH, PWM experiment, but also shows CMH-DEN as going all-mainline (1 320, 1 319). IAH keeps it's morning A319 but ORD goes back to all-regional.

I almost didn't both checking the DL schedules, as they seem to be stuck in the mud here and at every other mid-sized station. But interestingly enough the last CMH-MSP frequency is slated to go from a CR9 to an A319 in September along with the continuation of the 739 on the first departure to Minneapolis. Really hoping for a return of CMH-SLC in time for the ski season, but not holding my breath.

Looks like CMH continues to make baby steps as air travel continues to recover and gain momentum.
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2021

Thu Jul 29, 2021 3:22 pm

brooklynchris13 wrote:
Thanks for the heads up about AA MIA and LGA mainline. Will be nice if that holds, but that same schedule only appears to show 1x to PHX and no mainline to CLT. However, it has JFK back (good) but not LAX. I guess we will see as it gets closer.

Btw, any word on how full NKs flights to LAX have been? I hope both those and PNS have been and will be successful, I would love to see NK ramp up ops at CMH even more.


flyCMH wrote:
I would really like to see AA take their schedule to the next level and add LAX back as well as bring on AUS. Not sure what the likelihood is for both, but hopeful that it's in the pipeline.


I agree that AA re-adding CMH-LAX nonstop service is a possibility, and I had also previously mentioned the possibility of AA adding CVG-LAX nonstop service, especially with the recent CVG-AUS/BOS adds that were made by AA.

WN adding CMH-LAX and CVG-LAX nonstop service are also possibilities with
(a) AA/DL having dropped CMH-LAX nonstop service,
(b) F9 having already permanently dropped CVG-LAX nonstop service,
(c) F9 completely pulling out of LAX in Fall 2021 (but continuing to serve BUR, ONT, and SNA in Greater Los Angeles), and
(d) connecting opportunities available to OAK, SMF, SFO, and SJC through LAX on WN.

Here were the number of passengers, number of seats, and load factors of CMH-LAX, CVG-LAX, and IND-LAX in 2019:
CMH-LAX on AA - 136410 passengers, 157803 seats, 86.44% load factor
CMH-LAX on DL - 82077 passengers, 97108 seats, 84.52% load factor
CVG-LAX on DL - 172078 passengers, 190375 seats, 90.39% load factor
CVG-LAX on F9 - 29866 passengers, 33750 seats, 88.49% load factor
CVG-LAX on G4 - 56979 passengers, 63138 seats, 90.25% load factor
IND-LAX on AA - 98549 passengers, 109030 seats, 90.39% load factor
IND-LAX on DL - 81731 passengers, 91687 seats, 89.14% load factor
IND-LAX on WN - 75952 passengers, 82694 seats, 91.85% load factor

WN might be able to make nonstop service work to LAX from both CMH and CVG as
(a) other airlines have made cuts on LAX-CMH/CVG nonstop service,
(b) LAX being one of the top markets that WN doesn't currently serve nonstop from CMH or CVG,
(c) WN was likely able to make nonstop service work to LAX from IND (a peer market) prior to the pandemic, and
(d) WN would likely be getting some connecting traffic to the San Francisco Bay Area in addition to O&D if LAX-CMH/CVG nonstop service is added by WN.
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2021

Thu Jul 29, 2021 3:39 pm

flyCMH wrote:
Really happy with American's continued upgauge of routes from CMH. The double-daily 321s to PHX is great to see and I don't think CLT has seen this much mainline since the USAir days when 737-300s and DC-9s dominated the route! The additional lift to BOS and DCA is welcomed also. Given they had the highest LF of the big 3 in June, it looks like their aggressive scheduling is paying off. I really don't think the schedules are finalized for November. The mainline to LGA has been a placeholder for some time now, and I can't see CLT going from 4 mainline to all-RJ in a month. I would really like to see AA take their schedule to the next level and add LAX back as well as bring on AUS. Not sure what the likelihood is for both, but hopeful that it's in the pipeline.


Rumors of another round of AA expansion out of AUS in the fall have been reported on the AUS thread. AA will be taking over a gate from UA so they have the real estate. We'll see if it materialises. If it does, I would have thought CMH should have a good shot.
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2021

Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:49 pm

Good finds, everybody- thanks for sharing! The last time I can think of where there was this much mainline on CMH-CLT was around 2004-05, when I think all (or most) of the segments were on A319s/737s. Back in those days, it was common to get mainline in both directions with no issue. I think the first time I was stuck on an RJ on the route was on the way back from SXM in 2005 (ERJ).

I'm curious about my theory of AA/DL going up against NK on CMH-LAX, but don't have the time to look it up, so:

jplatts wrote:
I agree that AA re-adding CMH-LAX nonstop service is a possibility, and I had also previously mentioned the possibility of AA adding CVG-LAX nonstop service, especially with the recent CVG-AUS/BOS adds that were made by AA.


jplatts- What cities in the Midwest/Rust Belt have nonstops to LAX on one legacy (AA/DL/UA) AND one LCC/ULCC (WN/G4/F9/NK)?
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2021

Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:09 pm

DeltaRules wrote:
Good finds, everybody- thanks for sharing! The last time I can think of where there was this much mainline on CMH-CLT was around 2004-05, when I think all (or most) of the segments were on A319s/737s. Back in those days, it was common to get mainline in both directions with no issue. I think the first time I was stuck on an RJ on the route was on the way back from SXM in 2005 (ERJ).

I'm curious about my theory of AA/DL going up against NK on CMH-LAX, but don't have the time to look it up, so:

jplatts wrote:
I agree that AA re-adding CMH-LAX nonstop service is a possibility, and I had also previously mentioned the possibility of AA adding CVG-LAX nonstop service, especially with the recent CVG-AUS/BOS adds that were made by AA.


jplatts- What cities in the Midwest/Rust Belt have nonstops to LAX on one legacy (AA/DL/UA) AND one LCC/ULCC (WN/G4/F9/NK)?



A couple I happen to know off hand

STL - NK/AA/WN
MCI -NK/DL/WN
IND - G4/DL/AA

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