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jhsusman wrote:What's the status of the long haul international flights to Europe and Japan? Any expected long haul / new carrier additions once the industry shows a meaningful recovery?
CALMSP wrote:jhsusman wrote:What's the status of the long haul international flights to Europe and Japan? Any expected long haul / new carrier additions once the industry shows a meaningful recovery?
well, there won't be any Norwegian, so that dumps LGW/CDG/FCO and certainly the hope of the airport luring TK to IST or KL/AMS and EK/DXB. I can't see NRT coming back this year when UA can funnel through SFO/ORD.
Kden95 wrote:CALMSP wrote:jhsusman wrote:What's the status of the long haul international flights to Europe and Japan? Any expected long haul / new carrier additions once the industry shows a meaningful recovery?
well, there won't be any Norwegian, so that dumps LGW/CDG/FCO and certainly the hope of the airport luring TK to IST or KL/AMS and EK/DXB. I can't see NRT coming back this year when UA can funnel through SFO/ORD.
What’s your source on no Norwegian?
Kden95 wrote:CALMSP wrote:jhsusman wrote:What's the status of the long haul international flights to Europe and Japan? Any expected long haul / new carrier additions once the industry shows a meaningful recovery?
well, there won't be any Norwegian, so that dumps LGW/CDG/FCO and certainly the hope of the airport luring TK to IST or KL/AMS and EK/DXB. I can't see NRT coming back this year when UA can funnel through SFO/ORD.
What’s your source on no Norwegian?
trexel94 wrote:Edelweiss still has DEN-ZRH scheduled for the summer starting in June.
CALMSP wrote:trexel94 wrote:Edelweiss still has DEN-ZRH scheduled for the summer starting in June.
I always forget about WK! Would be nice if they came back, but would be shocked if they did given LH group oversight.
jetmatt777 wrote:It would be really nice if DIA could persuade Frontier to cut down on their concourse wide PA announcements. They are very loud, repetitive, and drawn out. None of the airlines make concourse wide boarding announcements like Frontier does. It really makes the (already circus-like) A concourse experience even more stressful and chaotic.
The other night I timed it, and Frontier had continuous announcements for 3 minutes and 28 seconds, as they had a large bank of departures. Every gate agent was making the same announcement about boarding, but with the city and flight number changed. It is incredibly annoying. One of these nights I will record it.
SyracuseAvGeek wrote:jetmatt777 wrote:It would be really nice if DIA could persuade Frontier to cut down on their concourse wide PA announcements. They are very loud, repetitive, and drawn out. None of the airlines make concourse wide boarding announcements like Frontier does. It really makes the (already circus-like) A concourse experience even more stressful and chaotic.
The other night I timed it, and Frontier had continuous announcements for 3 minutes and 28 seconds, as they had a large bank of departures. Every gate agent was making the same announcement about boarding, but with the city and flight number changed. It is incredibly annoying. One of these nights I will record it.
You should head down to gates A60, A64-A65, it’s much quieter down there.
GmoneyCO wrote:Front page of the Denver Post has a strongly written piece about maintenance at DIA (really lack of). For those that travel through the airport regularly, its not a surprise at all. While a black eye for the airport and the city, its nice that this is finally getting more attention so that the political pressure grows on addressing the issue.
Link to story: https://www.denverpost.com/2021/01/15/denver-airport-maintenance-spending-priorities/
Frontier14 wrote:GmoneyCO wrote:Front page of the Denver Post has a strongly written piece about maintenance at DIA (really lack of). For those that travel through the airport regularly, its not a surprise at all. While a black eye for the airport and the city, its nice that this is finally getting more attention so that the political pressure grows on addressing the issue.
Link to story: https://www.denverpost.com/2021/01/15/denver-airport-maintenance-spending-priorities/
The Denver Auditor's Office clearly points out in the article some of the neglect criticism that has plagued the airport manager and her staff for years now. Nothing gets done because of x, y and z. To top this off the airport management has recently sent out emails asking the people of the region to vote DIA as one of the best US airports. Am I missing something here?
Frontier 14
GmoneyCO wrote:Front page of the Denver Post has a strongly written piece about maintenance at DIA (really lack of). For those that travel through the airport regularly, its not a surprise at all. While a black eye for the airport and the city, its nice that this is finally getting more attention so that the political pressure grows on addressing the issue.
Link to story: https://www.denverpost.com/2021/01/15/denver-airport-maintenance-spending-priorities/
jhsusman wrote:Anyone think that United or others will pick up the now stopped Norwegian CDG flight?
LASVegan wrote:jhsusman wrote:Anyone think that United or others will pick up the now stopped Norwegian CDG flight?
If DL eventually makes DEN a focus city (there were pre-covid rumors of them taking a good portion of the new A gates, I believe I remember hearing up to 12), I could see them giving DEN-CDG a stab.
LASVegan wrote:jhsusman wrote:Anyone think that United or others will pick up the now stopped Norwegian CDG flight?
If DL eventually makes DEN a focus city (there were pre-covid rumors of them taking a good portion of the new A gates, I believe I remember hearing up to 12), I could see them giving DEN-CDG a stab.
CanadianRedneck wrote:LASVegan wrote:jhsusman wrote:Anyone think that United or others will pick up the now stopped Norwegian CDG flight?
If DL eventually makes DEN a focus city (there were pre-covid rumors of them taking a good portion of the new A gates, I believe I remember hearing up to 12), I could see them giving DEN-CDG a stab.
?? Where did this come from
LASVegan wrote:jhsusman wrote:Anyone think that United or others will pick up the now stopped Norwegian CDG flight?
If DL eventually makes DEN a focus city (there were pre-covid rumors of them taking a good portion of the new A gates, I believe I remember hearing up to 12), I could see them giving DEN-CDG a stab.
jhsusman wrote:Anyone think that United or others will pick up the now stopped Norwegian CDG flight?
bob75013 wrote:LASVegan wrote:jhsusman wrote:Anyone think that United or others will pick up the now stopped Norwegian CDG flight?
If DL eventually makes DEN a focus city (there were pre-covid rumors of them taking a good portion of the new A gates, I believe I remember hearing up to 12), I could see them giving DEN-CDG a stab.
WN and UA would dig a very deep hole to bury DL in.
LASVegan wrote:If DL eventually makes DEN a focus city (there were pre-covid rumors of them taking a good portion of the new A gates, I believe I remember hearing up to 12), I could see them giving DEN-CDG a stab.
ADent wrote:LASVegan wrote:If DL eventually makes DEN a focus city (there were pre-covid rumors of them taking a good portion of the new A gates, I believe I remember hearing up to 12), I could see them giving DEN-CDG a stab.
United signed a contract to take the 12 new A gates and 11 existing A gates by Q4 2021.
New: A14-A25
Used: A26, A27, A28, A29, A30, A31, A32, A34, A36, A38, and A40
With the pandemic I don’t know the current plans, but they signed the contract and the Denver city council approved last January.
jhsusman wrote:My guess is north of current 8/26, making it 8L/26R; that can be built to 16K feet long.It sounds like DIA is ready to start planning for a 7th runway - I am assuming it will be an East/West strip but not sure if it will be 12K or 16k feet long. Expected first use in 2H28 so they have plenty of time. . .
DenverBrian wrote:jhsusman wrote:My guess is north of current 8/26, making it 8L/26R; that can be built to 16K feet long.It sounds like DIA is ready to start planning for a 7th runway - I am assuming it will be an East/West strip but not sure if it will be 12K or 16k feet long. Expected first use in 2H28 so they have plenty of time. . .
ytib wrote:DenverBrian wrote:jhsusman wrote:My guess is north of current 8/26, making it 8L/26R; that can be built to 16K feet long.It sounds like DIA is ready to start planning for a 7th runway - I am assuming it will be an East/West strip but not sure if it will be 12K or 16k feet long. Expected first use in 2H28 so they have plenty of time. . .
If it is an East/West runway that is exactly what would be next. The other East/West which was in a master plan years ago was south of the cargo area. This wouldn't make sense to be next in line.
https://www.flydenver.com/sites/default ... ochure.pdf
joeblow10 wrote:The E/W runway at the cargo area was considered when there was thought to having a passenger terminal down there - perhaps specifically designated for international or ULCCs. One of the big bottlenecks for expansion of passenger terminals to the originally platted Terminals D and E to the north is that the train system is too small to handle additional traffic to future D and future E, so they've been playing around with the idea of adding gates very near the Great Hall, allowing those pax to walk instead of taking the train. DIA's a bit of a hot mess right now.ytib wrote:DenverBrian wrote:My guess is north of current 8/26, making it 8L/26R; that can be built to 16K feet long.
If it is an East/West runway that is exactly what would be next. The other East/West which was in a master plan years ago was south of the cargo area. This wouldn't make sense to be next in line.
https://www.flydenver.com/sites/default ... ochure.pdf
It’s slated to be the one south of the cargo last I heard... which admittedly, was awhile ago.
Part of the big reason for that is to prevent further encroachment from developments to the S/SW that are now becoming NIMBY issues. It’s amazing to watch just how close the city has gotten to the airport in the last 20 years
jetmatt777 wrote:Whichever one it is, another E/W is desperately needed. Seems strong west wind days are increasing in frequency. It cripples the airport going to 2 runways ops on those days.
They can launch them pretty fast on 7/25, but the arrival rate gets slaughtered.
Edit: also, with the airport's original infrastructure nearing 30 years old, it will probably be time to do a significant rehabilitation/reconstruction of the original runways within the next decade or so. If a 3rd E/W runway is not built soon, the airport will likely have to deal with a year or two operating on one E/W runway while the other is rebuilt. Having this 3rd runway would allow some breathing room for when rehab/reconstruction is necessary on the existing runways. It will be sooner than later.
mkorpal333 wrote:I seem to remember seeing some plans to have a taxiway from 25 down to the south runway if it were to be built. That would be quite the undertaking if it's still planned.
DenverTed wrote:What about more flights out of Colorado Springs or Fort Collins to connect at other hubs?
How about an elevated bridge to B or C? Might be a nice place for a food court with a view as well if they make it bigger.
jetmatt777 wrote:Those would be some monumental taxi times if they used that runway for west landings.
303dk wrote:What ever happened with the construction upstairs on A west? I think it was rumored to be Priority Pass lounge at one point, but I haven't seen anything about it.
DenverTed wrote:Did the original concept back about 1990, call for 6 E-W and 6 N-S runways?
ADent wrote:LASVegan wrote:If DL eventually makes DEN a focus city (there were pre-covid rumors of them taking a good portion of the new A gates, I believe I remember hearing up to 12), I could see them giving DEN-CDG a stab.
United signed a contract to take the 12 new A gates and 11 existing A gates by Q4 2021.
New: A14-A25
Used: A26, A27, A28, A29, A30, A31, A32, A34, A36, A38, and A40
With the pandemic I don’t know the current plans, but they signed the contract and the Denver city council approved last January.