Denver Aviation Thread - 2021

DaCubbyBearBar · Tue Jul 27, 2021 8:57 am

DEN1895 wrote:
werba wrote:
Just out there today to pick up family. The drop off and pick up levels were packed.

DEN1895: Any word on when the Pikes Peak parking lot will re-open? The garages and other parking looked quite full. I really appreciate your updates.

Sadly no, when I asked back in June I was told July, I know they were doing some work at the entrance but I have not heard any updates.

Thank you for the pictures and the updates…. Much appreciated!! My future home is looking good

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panam330 · Tue Jul 27, 2021 2:43 pm

To piggyback off of the thread, F9 to launch DEN-BZE in December, 1x weekly.

https://news.flyfrontier.com/frontier-airlines-announces-20-nonstop-routes-including-5-new-destinations/

DEN1895 · Sat Jul 31, 2021 4:41 pm

Another small section of the walls have come down revealing more finished space on level 5 of the terminal, this is the east side baggage claim which should help alleviate some crowding.

theAviationGeek · Sat Jul 31, 2021 11:58 pm

As always thank you for the photos DEN1895.

While clean and fresh, unfortunately the terminal is becoming more sterile than a hospital — certainly devoid of any DEN character. The only silver lining is needed overhaul of the restroom facilities.

The architect who originally designed the terminal summed it up perfectly when asked, “You’ve taken your front door and you trashed it.”

-R

DEN1895 · Fri Aug 06, 2021 4:52 pm

June passenger traffic numbers:

-International traffic has been split into to 2 categories, the amount of passengers going though customs is nearly back to normal, but the Pre-Cleared (Canada) is still down quite a bit. This will show how the two different markets return. In June there were more flights processed through the FIS facilities than there were back in 2019 due to the addition of the leisure markets.
-Southwest continues their growth over 2019 from May, this month they are joined by Alaska.
-Airlines not listed above that also saw increases over 2019: Aeromexico, Allegiant, and Volaris.

1st half of the year stats put out by the airport in a press release:
- The 1st half of 2021, we served 24.7M passengers, -25% compared to the 1st half of 2019
- The 1st quarter of 2021, we ranked as the 2nd-largest U.S. airport in terms of domestic travel demand
- In the first half of 2021, DEN ranked as the largest station for 3 airlines – Frontier, Southwest and United
- We welcomed two new airline partners, Southern Airways Express in June and Air France in July
- In the first half of 2021, carriers added 4 new domestic destinations, and announced plans for future service to an additional 2 new domestic destinations in the coming months

Full release: https://www.flydenver.com/sites/default/files/downloads/21-50%20June%202021%20Passenger%20Traffic.pdf

smokeybandit · Sat Aug 07, 2021 9:51 pm

Here's one you don't see often. West coast forest fire smoke is devastating Denver today

Steve Staeger
@SteveStaeger
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NEW: The FAA has instituted a "traffic management plan" at DIA to deal with poor air quality causing visibility issues. FAA's website says incoming flights delayed an average of 16 minutes.

According to Flight Aware there have been 311 delays and 39 cancellations today.

panam330 · Sun Aug 08, 2021 5:35 pm

smokeybandit wrote:
Here's one you don't see often. West coast forest fire smoke is devastating Denver today

Steve Staeger
@SteveStaeger
·
13m
NEW: The FAA has instituted a "traffic management plan" at DIA to deal with poor air quality causing visibility issues. FAA's website says incoming flights delayed an average of 16 minutes.

According to Flight Aware there have been 311 delays and 39 cancellations today.

It’s not so great today either, already averaging 17 min arrival delays and it’s not even noon.

mkorpal333 · Mon Aug 09, 2021 7:51 pm

Any news on the new train cars that were supposed to arrive this year?

DEN1895 · Mon Aug 09, 2021 10:30 pm

Great Hall Update
Phase 1 is still progressing towards its opening before the end of the year. the east side is further ahead as it has been the entire project and looks as if it could be wrapped up in a month or so.

Picture of the interior of the ticket pods, this is the west side.

New self bag drops with the new digital signage behind.

Overlooking level 5 from the south.

Between the pods, this is on the east side.

AndoAv8R · Mon Aug 09, 2021 10:38 pm

That white seems so bland compared to what its replacing, reminds me of a hospital

jplatts · Sat Aug 14, 2021 10:16 pm

Here are the number of passengers, number of seats, and load factors for WN flights out of DEN in May 2021:
ABQ-DEN - 26241 passengers, 28234 seats, 92.94% load factor
ATL-DEN - 30078 passengers, 35853 seats, 83.89% load factor
AUS-DEN - 34759 passengers, 41636 seats, 83.48% load factor
BHM-DEN - 7035 passengers, 10274 seats, 68.47% load factor
BNA-DEN - 38208 passengers, 44755 seats, 85.37% load factor
BOI-DEN - 17857 passengers, 19906 seats, 89.71% load factor
BOS-DEN - 13742 passengers, 14775 seats, 93.01% load factor
BUF-DEN - 8428 passengers, 8859 seats, 95.13% load factor
BUR-DEN - 19351 passengers, 22041 seats, 87.80% load factor
BWI-DEN - 39144 passengers, 43877 seats, 89.21% load factor
BZN-DEN - 1788 passengers, 2717 seats, 65.81% load factor
CHS-DEN - 8678 passengers, 10722 seats, 80.94% load factor
CLE-DEN - 14362 passengers, 15264 seats, 94.09% load factor
CLT-DEN - 7130 passengers, 9922 seats, 71.86% load factor
CMH-DEN - 16419 passengers, 17855 seats, 91.96% load factor
COS-DEN - 21041 passengers, 34766 seats, 60.52% load factor
CVG-DEN - 8422 passengers, 9186 seats, 91.68% load factor
DAL-DEN - 57093 passengers, 71331 seats, 80.04% load factor
DEN-DSM - 8514 passengers, 9954 seats, 85.53% load factor
DEN-DTW - 12505 passengers, 14660 seats, 85.30% load factor
DEN-ECP - 4725 passengers, 6439 seats, 73.38% load factor
DEN-ELP - 7059 passengers, 7564 seats, 93.32% load factor
DEN-FAT - 7700 passengers, 9698 seats, 79.40% load factor
DEN-FLL - 14790 passengers, 18290 seats, 80.86% load factor
DEN-GEG - 20419 passengers, 24093 seats, 84.75% load factor
DEN-GRR - 8666 passengers, 9570 seats, 90.55% load factor
DEN-HDN - 1959 passengers, 7071 seats, 27.70% load factor
DEN-HOU - 52397 passengers, 64891 seats, 80.75% load factor
DEN-IAD - 9053 passengers, 10223 seats, 88.56% load factor
DEN-IAH - 12682 passengers, 18447 seats, 68.75% load factor
DEN-ICT - 8436 passengers, 9794 seats, 86.13% load factor
DEN-IND - 24655 passengers, 27391 seats, 90.01% load factor
DEN-JAX - 7146 passengers, 9218 seats, 77.52% load factor
DEN-LAS - 66462 passengers, 74886 seats, 88.75% load factor
DEN-LAX - 37882 passengers, 44955 seats, 84.27% load factor
DEN-LGA - 14762 passengers, 16176 seats, 91.26% load factor
DEN-LGB - 24794 passengers, 37511 seats, 66.10% load factor
DEN-LIT - 8931 passengers, 9939 seats, 89.86% load factor
DEN-MCI - 37613 passengers, 42277 seats, 88.97% load factor
DEN-MCO - 42816 passengers, 47781 seats, 89.61% load factor
DEN-MDW - 48787 passengers, 68949 seats, 70.76% load factor
DEN-MEM - 8224 passengers, 9472 seats, 86.82% load factor
DEN-MIA - 13462 passengers, 17589 seats, 76.54% load factor
DEN-MKE - 22951 passengers, 26740 seats, 85.83% load factor
DEN-MSP - 27585 passengers, 32876 seats, 83.91% load factor
DEN-MSY - 23741 passengers, 27467 seats, 86.43% load factor
DEN-MTJ - 2497 passengers, 6578 seats, 37.96% load factor
DEN-OAK - 40461 passengers, 44799 seats, 90.32% load factor
DEN-OKC - 23615 passengers, 25850 seats, 91.35% load factor
DEN-OMA - 27195 passengers, 31534 seats, 86.24% load factor
DEN-ONT - 27540 passengers, 29808 seats, 92.39% load factor
DEN-ORD - 24876 passengers, 38753 seats, 64.19% load factor
DEN-PDX - 31303 passengers, 35048 seats, 89.31% load factor
DEN-PHL - 17991 passengers, 19822 seats, 90.76% load factor
DEN-PHX - 72985 passengers, 82149 seats, 88.84% load factor
DEN-PIT - 15061 passengers, 17074 seats, 88.21% load factor
DEN-PNS - 3427 passengers, 4196 seats, 81.67% load factor
DEN-PSP - 7006 passengers, 9009 seats, 77.77% load factor
DEN-RDU - 13420 passengers, 15142 seats, 88.63% load factor
DEN-RIC - 5368 passengers, 6962 seats, 77.10% load factor
DEN-RNO - 22602 passengers, 29311 seats, 77.11% load factor
DEN-RSW - 7608 passengers, 9446 seats, 80.54% load factor
DEN-SAN - 44462 passengers, 49369 seats, 90.06% load factor
DEN-SAT - 27122 passengers, 32583 seats, 83.24% load factor
DEN-SBA - 6090 passengers, 8866 seats, 68.69% load factor
DEN-SDF - 8908 passengers, 9506 seats, 93.71% load factor
DEN-SEA - 36664 passengers, 45319 seats, 80.90% load factor
DEN-SFO - 18240 passengers, 21114 seats, 86.39% load factor
DEN-SJC - 31953 passengers, 37827 seats, 84.47% load factor
DEN-SLC - 38757 passengers, 52969 seats, 73.17% load factor
DEN-SMF - 36355 passengers, 42889 seats, 84.77% load factor
DEN-SNA - 26547 passengers, 35169 seats, 75.48% load factor
DEN-STL - 37411 passengers, 42454 seats, 88.12% load factor
DEN-TPA - 31795 passengers, 35761 seats, 88.91% load factor
DEN-TUL - 16342 passengers, 18382 seats, 88.90% load factor
DEN-TUS - 18288 passengers, 19684 seats, 92.91% load factor

jetmatt777 · Sun Aug 15, 2021 1:45 pm

Jet bridge installation is underway on B-East. I don’t have any pics but may take a few today if I have time.

Brick · Sun Aug 15, 2021 7:23 pm

jplatts wrote:
Here are the number of passengers, number of seats, and load factors for WN flights out of DEN in May 2021:
ABQ-DEN - 26241 passengers, 28234 seats, 92.94% load factor
ATL-DEN - 30078 passengers, 35853 seats, 83.89% load factor
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DEN-TUL - 16342 passengers, 18382 seats, 88.90% load factor
DEN-TUS - 18288 passengers, 19684 seats, 92.91% load factor

The intra-Colorado flights are the worst load factors out of DEN....oof! HDN is 28%, MTJ is 38%, and COS is 61%.

I'm surprised that BUF has the highest LF at 95%.

bob75013 · Mon Aug 16, 2021 12:41 am

Brick wrote:
jplatts wrote:
Here are the number of passengers, number of seats, and load factors for WN flights out of DEN in May 2021:
ABQ-DEN - 26241 passengers, 28234 seats, 92.94% load factor
ATL-DEN - 30078 passengers, 35853 seats, 83.89% load factor
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DEN-TUL - 16342 passengers, 18382 seats, 88.90% load factor
DEN-TUS - 18288 passengers, 19684 seats, 92.91% load factor

The intra-Colorado flights are the worst load factors out of DEN....oof! HDN is 28%, MTJ is 38%, and COS is 61%.

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That's not at all surprising for May. It's "mud season" in the Rockies. The ski areas are closed, and hiking and biking trails are still covered in snow or mud. Lot's of restaurants are closed because there are so few people around. May is when locals leave town on vacations. There's nothing to do at MTJ and HDN..

The busy times at these airports are late December, January February, March, July and August..

DEN1895 · Mon Aug 16, 2021 7:16 pm

A West Update

The interior of the concourse looking towards the existing structure, with the exterior mostly complete most of the work being completed currently involves the mechanical systems. The restroom/subcore areas have been framed for all their rooms and conveyance installation is taking place across the site.

Both A West and C East will have "vaulted ceilings" in the concession spaces. As seen below these areas will have 20'+ tall curtain walls that should allow for some great views when you are shopping/ dining.

This photo is taken from the new FIS corridor which will feature moving walkways until they reach the existing corridor on the mezzanine level. I hope the side of the walkway facing towards the interior of the concourse gets glass walls, rather than be walled off like the existing structure.

This last photo is again from the FIS corridor but closest to the existing building, as expected this area is the most complete and you can really see the structure coming together.

theAviationGeek · Tue Aug 17, 2021 12:24 am

DEN1895 thank you for sharing the photos as always. It’s been awesome watching it all come together and look forward to anymore interior shots you’re able to share in the future.

Ryan

jetmatt777 · Tue Aug 17, 2021 5:49 pm

B East this AM

Brick · Wed Aug 18, 2021 8:51 pm

bob75013 wrote:
Brick wrote:

The intra-Colorado flights are the worst load factors out of DEN....oof! HDN is 28%, MTJ is 38%, and COS is 61%.

That's not at all surprising for May. It's "mud season" in the Rockies. The ski areas are closed, and hiking and biking trails are still covered in snow or mud. Lot's of restaurants are closed because there are so few people around. May is when locals leave town on vacations. There's nothing to do at MTJ and HDN..

The busy times at these airports are late December, January February, March, July and August..

Agree that May has low load factors as it is indeed the mud season. I think the summer numbers however are going to be very much below expectations.

When these routes were planned, no one saw the dramatic increase in rental car prices that occurred starting in the late spring. Daily rates for an economy sized car were running $100-$140 at many Colorado airports, assuming there was any availability at all. Need a large vehicle to accommodate a family of 4 with luggage? Forget about it! The few large vehicles that were available were over $400 per day. A month ago, the lowest weekly rate that I could find for a large SUV or minivan at ASE was $4000!

I know my comment is about WN and DEN-MTJ/HDN, but many people who went ahead with their summer vacation plans to visit Colorado wound up driving instead of flying because of the insane rental car rates. For the past 2 months I've seen more than ever out of state license plates around Colorado that are clearly people on vacation (and not transplants) from NC, MA, CT, FL, and etc. I wouldn't be surprised if the load factors for the summer months for all airlines serving minor Colorado airports are in the toilet.

In fact, all airlines serving minor airports from the Rocky Mountains westward all the way to the Pacific Ocean will probably be the same boat too. You couldn't rent a car at places like Kalispell MT, Jackson Hole WY, or Boise ID at the summer peak unless you made a reservation 4 months in advance!

werba · Wed Aug 18, 2021 10:32 pm

Den1985, thanks for the pics. When I was looking at the finished areas in the terminal, did they remove the granite floors and replace them with the marble? I loved the original floors as all of the stone was from Colorado. Is the marble they are using being sourced in Colorado? Thanks for the info I look forward to my next trip there next spring.

CALMSP · Thu Aug 19, 2021 4:40 am

saw jetway installations going in at C52/54, so making more progress for C!

DEN1895 · Thu Aug 19, 2021 8:35 pm

werba wrote:
Den1985, thanks for the pics. When I was looking at the finished areas in the terminal, did they remove the granite floors and replace them with the marble? I loved the original floors as all of the stone was from Colorado. Is the marble they are using being sourced in Colorado? Thanks for the info I look forward to my next trip there next spring.

The granite floors are going away, the new floors are Italian quartz. While not from Colorado it is better than the original company wanted to use.

werba · Thu Aug 19, 2021 11:36 pm

DEN1895 wrote:
werba wrote:
Den1985, thanks for the pics. When I was looking at the finished areas in the terminal, did they remove the granite floors and replace them with the marble? I loved the original floors as all of the stone was from Colorado. Is the marble they are using being sourced in Colorado? Thanks for the info I look forward to my next trip there next spring.

The granite floors are going away, the new floors are Italian quartz. While not from Colorado it is better than the original company wanted to use.

Thanks for the info. I loved the granite could always tell when a national reporter was reporting from DEN.

A second question there was the report of Turkish Airlines coming which was in their corporate filings, is there any updated info on this?

And again a big Thank You for the pics you do post!

jetmatt777 · Fri Aug 20, 2021 2:09 pm

Looks like another train outage this morning causing significant impacts for the traveling public.

I guess emergency track work had to be performed so the trains could only run on one track back and forth.

smokeybandit · Fri Aug 20, 2021 2:32 pm

Train issues have seemingly become more and more frequent as of late.

airfrnt · Fri Aug 20, 2021 3:07 pm

smokeybandit wrote:
Train issues have seemingly become more and more frequent as of late.

There is a significant refurbishment already paid for, and pending the new trains and systems. Covid appears to have slowed this down.

385441 · Fri Aug 20, 2021 3:53 pm

smokeybandit wrote:
Train issues have seemingly become more and more frequent as of late.

I’ve noticed this too. It’s becoming more and more frequent. Now that UA operates out of A and most of my SkyWest CR2 connections from/to AMA go in/out of A it’s more of an issue than it used to be. The other two airports I can think of with the same terminal/concourse setup (ATL and IAD - which is no model for efficiency) have backups (ATL has walkways and IAD, at least when I went though 8 months ago, has the mobile lounges) that can get passengers between the concourses. DEN appears to be getting to the point where the need to have a bus contingency plan as there aren’t pedestrian tunnels between A, B, and C.

jetmatt777 · Fri Aug 20, 2021 4:15 pm

There is a bus contingency plan, however like everything else at the airport there is no leadership in place that will make decisions.

There are bus lanes across the ramp from A to B that are marked “Bus Only” but have never once been used. The idea is that people can take the bridge to A, then borad a bus to B. But that ignores C. The entire leadership team at the airport has been incompetent and ineffective for years. A backup plan needs to be able to be turned on at a moment’s notice, not hours and hours into the ordeal and only half-assed solutions.

DEN1895 · Fri Aug 20, 2021 10:04 pm

jetmatt777 wrote:
There is a bus contingency plan, however like everything else at the airport there is no leadership in place that will make decisions.

There are bus lanes across the ramp from A to B that are marked “Bus Only” but have never once been used. The idea is that people can take the bridge to A, then borad a bus to B. But that ignores C. The entire leadership team at the airport has been incompetent and ineffective for years. A backup plan needs to be able to be turned on at a moment’s notice, not hours and hours into the ordeal and only half-assed solutions.

The biggest issue is there isn’t really a backup plan to get people from the terminal to b or c. Yes there is a busing plan but it won’t accomplish much when you push everybody through A bridge screening which is a small checkpoint. The airport has had multiple different plans developed both internally and externally but at the end of the day it has always shown that running the trains in a reduced capacity is better than busing operations. Doing what they did today of pushing as many people across the bridge as possible while running north and south checkpoints at reduced rates will have the highest throughput. Today they were running bus shuttles between A and B to remove some United connections from the train, but adding buses that went from A to C would have probably not accomplished much. This is actually something that will be improved once the Great Hall is done as they could push all passengers across the bridge, where they could then bus or run the train in a more efficient manner. To me the biggest question of today is why it occurred, did Alstrom, the train people, not do something correctly that lead to the maintenance issue. I feel the airport cares to much about being nice to their contractors and does not always hold them accountable enough.

bfitzflyer · Fri Aug 20, 2021 10:43 pm

Even on normal days the trains are bad and going to get worse with all 3 concourses expanding. That this is not a priority to come up with an effective alternative is beyond me.

jetmatt777 · Fri Aug 20, 2021 11:27 pm

Denver has always been an airport that works well on paper, but is atrocious in reality. Add in the lack of preventive maintenance and it’s a recipe for failure.

smokeybandit · Sat Aug 21, 2021 5:40 pm

https://denver.cbslocal.com/2021/08/20/ ... passengers

The entire outage was caused by a blown tire on one of the trains that damaged the track

Kden95 · Mon Aug 23, 2021 6:00 pm

Any updates on British Airways returning?

DEN2021 · Mon Aug 23, 2021 6:57 pm

Kden95 wrote:
Any updates on British Airways returning?

1 Sept allegedly. 3x a week I believe.

AshFlops · Mon Aug 23, 2021 9:50 pm

bfitzflyer wrote:
Even on normal days the trains are bad and going to get worse with all 3 concourses expanding. That this is not a priority to come up with an effective alternative is beyond me.

Don't forget that next summer United will have significant mainline ops on both Concourses A and B, this will result in the train having to handle about 25% of United's transfer passenger load as well.

joeljack · Mon Aug 23, 2021 10:08 pm

AshFlops wrote:
bfitzflyer wrote:
Even on normal days the trains are bad and going to get worse with all 3 concourses expanding. That this is not a priority to come up with an effective alternative is beyond me.

Don't forget that next summer United will have significant mainline ops on both Concourses A and B, this will result in the train having to handle about 25% of United's transfer passenger load as well.

Does anybody know if United will run a bus from the east end of B to the east end of A? Right now to get from the east end of one to the east end of the other takes about 25 minutes if walking fast! There really needs to be a secondary bus like ORD has that goes from E/F to C at ORD. If it ran every 4-5 minutes, it would help passengers make connections.

atrude777 · Mon Aug 23, 2021 10:53 pm

joeljack wrote:
Does anybody know if United will run a bus from the east end of B to the east end of A? Right now to get from the east end of one to the east end of the other takes about 25 minutes if walking fast! There really needs to be a secondary bus like ORD has that goes from E/F to C at ORD. If it ran every 4-5 minutes, it would help passengers make connections.

Unfortunately that Bus service at ORD is loooong gone haha

I believe they ended it around 2012/2013?

We now have to walk from E/F to C and Vice Versa.

As of now, no intra terminal buses except to get Terminal 5 folks to Terminal 1/3 and vice versa for Domestic to International Connections.

Alex

cosyr · Mon Aug 23, 2021 11:09 pm

atrude777 wrote:
joeljack wrote:
Does anybody know if United will run a bus from the east end of B to the east end of A? Right now to get from the east end of one to the east end of the other takes about 25 minutes if walking fast! There really needs to be a secondary bus like ORD has that goes from E/F to C at ORD. If it ran every 4-5 minutes, it would help passengers make connections.

Unfortunately that Bus service at ORD is loooong gone haha

I believe they ended it around 2012/2013?

We now have to walk from E/F to C and Vice Versa.

As of now, no intra terminal buses except to get Terminal 5 folks to Terminal 1/3 and vice versa for Domestic to International Connections.

Alex

I have definitely taken that bus service as recently as 2018. I don't know if it ended due to COVID, but has been around recently.

atrude777 · Mon Aug 23, 2021 11:30 pm

cosyr wrote:
atrude777 wrote:
joeljack wrote:
Does anybody know if United will run a bus from the east end of B to the east end of A? Right now to get from the east end of one to the east end of the other takes about 25 minutes if walking fast! There really needs to be a secondary bus like ORD has that goes from E/F to C at ORD. If it ran every 4-5 minutes, it would help passengers make connections.

Unfortunately that Bus service at ORD is loooong gone haha

I believe they ended it around 2012/2013?

We now have to walk from E/F to C and Vice Versa.

As of now, no intra terminal buses except to get Terminal 5 folks to Terminal 1/3 and vice versa for Domestic to International Connections.

Alex

I have definitely taken that bus service as recently as 2018. I don't know if it ended due to COVID, but has been around recently.

You took a Bus between E/F Gates and Concourse C in 2018?

In my years flying in and out of ORD for work since 2016 I don't ever recall seeing it in the locations I am used to. It used to leave from around F12 or F10 if I recall to Concourse C?

Happy to be proven wrong!

PS-Colorado Springs Guy?! I transferred from COS to ORD! I miss COS so much! <3

Alex

cosyr · Tue Aug 24, 2021 1:12 am

atrude777 wrote:
cosyr wrote:
atrude777 wrote:

Unfortunately that Bus service at ORD is loooong gone haha

I believe they ended it around 2012/2013?

We now have to walk from E/F to C and Vice Versa.

As of now, no intra terminal buses except to get Terminal 5 folks to Terminal 1/3 and vice versa for Domestic to International Connections.

Alex

I have definitely taken that bus service as recently as 2018. I don't know if it ended due to COVID, but has been around recently.

You took a Bus between E/F Gates and Concourse C in 2018?

In my years flying in and out of ORD for work since 2016 I don't ever recall seeing it in the locations I am used to. It used to leave from around F12 or F10 if I recall to Concourse C?

Happy to be proven wrong!

PS-Colorado Springs Guy?! I transferred from COS to ORD! I miss COS so much! <3

Alex

It may have ended at the beginning of 2018, but it is shown on the ORD gate map on page 126 of the Dec 2017 Hemisphere's Magazine. https://hemispheres.ink-live.com/html5/ ... af1d8b73d2

I wasn't aware if or when it ended after that, because UA upgauged more flights to mainline on routes I fly, so I've spent less time on F.

AshFlops · Tue Aug 24, 2021 3:48 am

joeljack wrote:
AshFlops wrote:
bfitzflyer wrote:
Even on normal days the trains are bad and going to get worse with all 3 concourses expanding. That this is not a priority to come up with an effective alternative is beyond me.

Don't forget that next summer United will have significant mainline ops on both Concourses A and B, this will result in the train having to handle about 25% of United's transfer passenger load as well.

Does anybody know if United will run a bus from the east end of B to the east end of A? Right now to get from the east end of one to the east end of the other takes about 25 minutes if walking fast! There really needs to be a secondary bus like ORD has that goes from E/F to C at ORD. If it ran every 4-5 minutes, it would help passengers make connections.

DEN is also trying to limit the amount of tug and bus traffic across the alleyway, so this is unlikely. United is taking the western gates on Conc A, but the walk is still just as far.

atrude777 · Tue Aug 24, 2021 3:53 am

cosyr wrote:
atrude777 wrote:
cosyr wrote:
I have definitely taken that bus service as recently as 2018. I don't know if it ended due to COVID, but has been around recently.

You took a Bus between E/F Gates and Concourse C in 2018?

In my years flying in and out of ORD for work since 2016 I don't ever recall seeing it in the locations I am used to. It used to leave from around F12 or F10 if I recall to Concourse C?

Happy to be proven wrong!

PS-Colorado Springs Guy?! I transferred from COS to ORD! I miss COS so much! <3

Alex

It may have ended at the beginning of 2018, but it is shown on the ORD gate map on page 126 of the Dec 2017 Hemisphere's Magazine. https://hemispheres.ink-live.com/html5/ ... af1d8b73d2

I wasn't aware if or when it ended after that, because UA upgauged more flights to mainline on routes I fly, so I've spent less time on F.

Wow, where was this when I needed it in 2017?! Hahaha

I’ll be, I’ve been flying in and out of ORD weekly until COVID for work with United and would have sworn it ended earlier then that!

Thanks for the correction!

Alex

cosyr · Tue Aug 24, 2021 12:16 pm

AshFlops wrote:
joeljack wrote:
AshFlops wrote:

Don't forget that next summer United will have significant mainline ops on both Concourses A and B, this will result in the train having to handle about 25% of United's transfer passenger load as well.

Does anybody know if United will run a bus from the east end of B to the east end of A? Right now to get from the east end of one to the east end of the other takes about 25 minutes if walking fast! There really needs to be a secondary bus like ORD has that goes from E/F to C at ORD. If it ran every 4-5 minutes, it would help passengers make connections.

DEN is also trying to limit the amount of tug and bus traffic across the alleyway, so this is unlikely. United is taking the western gates on Conc A, but the walk is still just as far.

Are they going to give up the commuter gates on the east end of C, or are they just using those until B east is complete?

AshFlops · Tue Aug 24, 2021 2:08 pm

cosyr wrote:
AshFlops wrote:
joeljack wrote:

Does anybody know if United will run a bus from the east end of B to the east end of A? Right now to get from the east end of one to the east end of the other takes about 25 minutes if walking fast! There really needs to be a secondary bus like ORD has that goes from E/F to C at ORD. If it ran every 4-5 minutes, it would help passengers make connections.

DEN is also trying to limit the amount of tug and bus traffic across the alleyway, so this is unlikely. United is taking the western gates on Conc A, but the walk is still just as far.

Are they going to give up the commuter gates on the east end of C, or are they just using those until B east is complete?

A-East is going to Frontier. The United new B-East gates are mostly mainline, with some E175 gates on the south side of the new pier. When A-West comes online, United will drop the A-East gates, as well as the single city gate on Conc C.

cosyr · Tue Aug 24, 2021 5:49 pm

AshFlops wrote:
cosyr wrote:
AshFlops wrote:

DEN is also trying to limit the amount of tug and bus traffic across the alleyway, so this is unlikely. United is taking the western gates on Conc A, but the walk is still just as far.

Are they going to give up the commuter gates on the east end of C, or are they just using those until B east is complete?

A-East is going to Frontier. The United new B-East gates are mostly mainline, with some E175 gates on the south side of the new pier. When A-West comes online, United will drop the A-East gates, as well as the single city gate on Conc C.

I know that UA wants to reduce their 50 seat flying, but will all the CR2/ER4 flights fit on B80-95? Will there be another gate converted to several small jets, like they did with gate 84 at SFO?

jetmatt777 · Tue Aug 24, 2021 5:59 pm

The goal is to run UAX on any gate that can take them. This is already happening. Uax flights running out of mainline gates on the west side.

The future UAX only gates will be B7, B8, B50, B51, B54, B56, B58, B60, B62, B64, B66, B68, B70: All UAX types. then B80-B95 (CRJ/E45).

All mainline gates will be able accommodate all UAX types except the 145 (ground power isn’t available at all gates). That doesn’t mean they will get them though, wide body gates will not see them.

f18raider · Tue Aug 24, 2021 6:01 pm

Been noticing Cargolux’s 744F’s show up in the last few weeks. Are these schedules flights going forward?

Frontier14 · Tue Aug 24, 2021 9:58 pm

Denver's Queen Bee (Day) has departed; and we now will have the Los Angles bus/train guy running the show. Give him six months to see if he can get his staff off their duffs and repair things. Last week I came off a flight at gate A52 and headed to the first men's restroom servicing the area. The padding or wall covering that is on the entrance to the restroom was coming off the wall. It was obvious, extruding 10-12 inches at the bottom and curling up. A goodly number of the urinals were not flushing (after use) and not pleasant aroma wise. Lets hope we will see an increased emphasis on routine maintenance going forward.

Frontier 14

AndoAv8R · Tue Aug 24, 2021 11:11 pm

I know financially/realistically it'll never happen, but I still dont see why they couldnt make a 2nd pedestrian tunnel towards the east/west side of the concourses that wouldnt interfere with the baggage tunnel system.

Its sad to see whats happened to Denver over the years, I remember going to out there a few years after it opened and remembering how beautiful it was

CALMSP · Wed Aug 25, 2021 3:35 am

f18raider wrote:
Been noticing Cargolux’s 744F’s show up in the last few weeks. Are these schedules flights going forward?

no, its just this time of year for the last 4 years. One more next Tuesday as well.

n562wn · Wed Aug 25, 2021 3:51 am

AndoAv8R wrote:
I know financially/realistically it'll never happen, but I still dont see why they couldnt make a 2nd pedestrian tunnel towards the east/west side of the concourses that wouldnt interfere with the baggage tunnel system.

Its sad to see whats happened to Denver over the years, I remember going to out there a few years after it opened and remembering how beautiful it was

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