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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2021

Thu Aug 05, 2021 7:21 pm

PAL's Board of Directors and shareholders are "reexamining" the airline's next course of action following reports of its plan to file for Chapter 11 in the U.S. ..... :airplane:

https://www.philstar.com/business/2021/ ... hapter-pal

They aver that it is still the goal...but could Chapter 11 be the "road not taken"? :scratchchin:



From SkyscraperCity, YT video clip of the situation outside NAIA T3 arrival area a day before ECQ's implementation..... :indifferent:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijNAUBOI8sU

posted by: @Kintoy


I'm amenable to the comment about converting NAIA into a Nature Park eventually...although this depends on some major prerequisites. 1. the successful completion of NMIA in Bulakan; 2. the willingness of the Air Force to cede their areas to establish its HQ elsewhere; and 3. the Government's approval for all these things & to drive or ferry the Chief Executive to a new base (Sangley perhaps?) for international travel. They can then transfer "Malacañang" to the Fort, turn the present into a museum, and influence the transformation of Forbes Park into Embassy Row (as it already partly does).

Also, I'd advocate for the establishment of a mixed-use new Government Center at NAIA and the conversion of existing buildings (i.e., repurposing of Terminal 1 to a general hospital and PVH into a more productive use other than a casino) and the others as research and advanced education facilities so the money spent on those do not go to waste (the Government would likely vote for the status quo). How the country comes out of the pandemic (in a few years?) will have a great bearing on all of these. :spin:
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2021

Sat Aug 07, 2021 7:34 am

PAL has been publishing a greater summary of their their scheduled flights on their Facebook page (see links below), including some flights not on the PDF timetable.

Some of the highlights for today's schedule:

  • MNL-AUH-MNL (as PR8624/8625)
  • MNL-BAH (one-way only as PR8620)
  • MNL-DAC-MNL (as PR8786/8787)
  • MNL-MCT-MNL (as PR8652/8653)
  • MNL-SZX-MNL (as PR8451/8452)
  • MNL-TSN-MNL (as PR314/315)
  • LAX-CEB (one-way only as PR153, opb A350)
  • SFO-CEB (one-way only as PR5105/105*)
  • SIN-CEB (one-way only as PR508, appears to be rerouted SIN-MNL sector)
  • KUL-DVO (one-way only, appears to be rerouted KUL-MNL, aircraft will continue to MNL with the same flight no.)

*105 is being shown on Flightaware with Manila as destination

https://www.facebook.com/PhilippineAirl ... 055135867/
https://www.facebook.com/PhilippineAirl ... 050050867/
https://www.facebook.com/PhilippineAirl ... 048080867/
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2021

Sat Aug 07, 2021 8:55 am

LH has now confirmed takeing four ex-PR A350 which was stated here previously. They will be waiting for their own A350 equipped with First Class to be delivered to Munich. Not sure if they will keep them thereafter or will return them to lessor.
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Aug 10, 2021 5:42 pm

There appears to be a basis for the Chapter 11 pessimism in #251..... :pessimist:

https://www.flightglobal.com/airlines/p ... 03.article

Might the fat lady sing soon? :shhh:



Meanwhile, AAP is looking to boost its international services by 1Q 2022..... :optimist:

https://www.philstar.com/business/2021/ ... ts-q1-2022

Are they in a better shape than their brethren in the region :?:
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2021

Wed Aug 11, 2021 5:04 pm

RoyalBrunei757 wrote:
LH has now confirmed takeing four ex-PR A350 which was stated here previously.

Consequently, the two A359's remaining with PR will, most likely, now be used to sample London's waters, so to speak....


https://business.inquirer.net/328777/ph ... l-oct-2021



Unsure how 5J's involvement with Indigo Partners could stem the bleeding to put the airline back into black..... :down:

https://www.philstar.com/business/2021/ ... c-prolongs
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2021

Sun Aug 15, 2021 9:54 am

APG even struggled to properly settle with their retrenched employees few months back :cry:

Devilfish wrote:
There appears to be a basis for the Chapter 11 pessimism in #251..... :pessimist:

https://www.flightglobal.com/airlines/p ... 03.article

Might the fat lady sing soon? :shhh:



Meanwhile, AAP is looking to boost its international services by 1Q 2022..... :optimist:

https://www.philstar.com/business/2021/ ... ts-q1-2022

Are they in a better shape than their brethren in the region :?:
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2021

Sun Aug 15, 2021 10:14 am

PAL's A330 RP-C8786 is currently in Alice Springs
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Aug 16, 2021 5:37 pm

Talking about ex PR aircraft, Isn’t one of their A340’s currently in Afghanistan?
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Aug 16, 2021 6:50 pm

THANKS DELTA for all the memories to MNL from NRT so sad to see you go, we lost SIN, MNL, NRT. HKG what is next?? COME ON DELTA we want DELTA METAL to Manila so many are so sad.
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Aug 17, 2021 2:40 am

Just curious...

Why can’t we make the present LRT1 Nichols depot into NAIA Station??

That location is best for people going to the airport!

Take note that the govt is spending billions to create a subway station for NAIA, and no one even bothered to voice this out.

Subway is not ideal for places vulnerable to flooding eg recent flooding in Zhengzhou, China.
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Aug 17, 2021 2:42 am

b777900 wrote:
THANKS DELTA for all the memories to MNL from NRT so sad to see you go, we lost SIN, MNL, NRT. HKG what is next?? COME ON DELTA we want DELTA METAL to Manila so many are so sad.


LOL so sentimental! Maalaala mo kaya...
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Aug 17, 2021 3:40 am

Cebu Pacific A330neo in TLS
Painted already

https://www.flickr.com/photos/aircrafts/51382332374/
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Aug 17, 2021 5:51 pm

b777900 wrote:
THANKS DELTA for all the memories to MNL from NRT so sad to see you go, we lost SIN, MNL, NRT. HKG what is next??

Perhaps not as sad as when this service ceased...those kids must be in their nineties now if they survived the war. Likely taken near where the "dolomite" beach currently is..... :camera:

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http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-BbC7M8H3wHE/U ... Manila.jpg


b777900 wrote:
COME ON DELTA we want DELTA METAL to Manila so many are so sad.

All good things come to an end..... :wave:

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https://i.pinimg.com/originals/40/dc/38 ... 6ea8eb.jpg


Bobby27ph wrote:
Why can’t we make the present LRT1 Nichols depot into NAIA Station??

That location is best for people going to the airport!

Take note that the govt is spending billions to create a subway station for NAIA, and no one even bothered to voice this out.

Maybe not the Government but I had been saying that here even before NAIAX began construction...guess they were wary of disturbing the cemetery's skeletons along the way! :tombstone: Also suggested constructing a spur to traverse Imelda Av from MRT3 on EDSA to Domestic Rd, it being a very short distance away. Could be slim pickings though. :twocents:



Another matter that may compound travelers' miseries.....

https://www.philstar.com/business/2021/ ... -rise-anew



Lastly, repatriation flights all around..... :airplane:

http://philippineairspace.blogspot.com/ ... ws-in.html

https://business.inquirer.net/329128/ce ... s-in-dubai

https://business.inquirer.net/329130/ai ... -sri-lanka
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2021

Thu Aug 19, 2021 8:13 am

News Update: First A330-300 being painted now

https://www.scramble.nl/civil-news/1st- ... UlmkLt2P1s

Ex-Cebu Pacific MSN 1435 RP-C3342
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2021

Thu Aug 19, 2021 8:18 am

luistunes wrote:
Talking about ex PR aircraft, Isn’t one of their A340’s currently in Afghanistan?

YA-KME MSN318 Previously with PAL as RP-C3436
YA-KMH MSN387 Previously with PAL as RP-C3438 (the one parked at the gate with all the people sitting on top)

YA-KMU MSN302 Previously with PAL as RP-C3435 managed to flew out to MHD on August 15, 2021 for storage.
YA-KMT MSN287 Previously with AirAsia X as 9M-XAC (stored for some time at KBL, retired maybe)
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2021

Fri Aug 20, 2021 7:40 am

Been quite a while since I did this:

Selected highlights from the PAL August 9 version of the International Summer timetable. Major changes include PAL rerouting inbound flights to Cebu, Laoag and Subic, presumably to reduce load on the arrival processing in Manila.

MNL-LAX operates 1x daily (PR102), LAX-MNL (PR103) operates 6x weekly from 15 Aug.
LAX-CEB-MNL* (PR153) to operate 1x weekly from 2 Jul up to 28 Oct, recently opb 77Ws.
MNL-JFK operates 2x weekly, return schedule varies
MNL-SIN (PR507) 1x daily, SIN-MNL (PR508) 6x weekly
SIN-CEB-MNL* operates on 14/28 Aug, 11/25 Sep and 9/23 Oct.
MNL-SFO-MNL 5x weekly. Saturday (SFO dep) return flight stops in Cebu* on from 14-28 August
MNL-DOH-MNL 4x weekly, 9/19 August DOH-MNL flights stop in Subic Bay*
MNL-KUL-MNL 1x weekly, 21 August return flight to stop in Laoag
MNL-LHR-MNL operates on 10/24 August, 7/21 August and 5 October
MNL-TLV-MNL not listed in this timetable (was to start 2 October)


*CEB/SFS/LAO/DVO-MNL is not bookable.
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2021

Fri Aug 20, 2021 7:07 pm

CRK T2 nominated for the Prix Versailles in the Airports category..... :thumbsup:

https://www.gmanetwork.com/entertainmen ... ards/story

From SkyscraperCity..... :camera:
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photos posted by @ajosh821 & @Karisma
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2021

Sat Aug 21, 2021 12:53 am

However, I take exception to the latter's prior idea that there's a clamor for a new capital and that CRK fits the bill...this notion is flawed on many levels. On a different note, I applaud @Sky_Higher's reminder about A21/21...curious that the FB excerpt accompanying his SC post does not appear on a desktop. Anyway, I prefer BLOCK instead of Brutalist when referring to the architectural style. Maybe the Mandarin could've been spared the wrecker's ball if it was built along Roxas Bl...but I digress. Must be particularly galling to NAIA T1's moving force that it was named as it is. :irked:
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Aug 23, 2021 10:31 pm

From SkyscraperCity - the much awaited Arrival, Immigration and Baggage Claim areas of CRK T2 are taking shape ahead of projected soft opening in October this year. :camera:

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photos posted by @clinkz_
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Aug 24, 2021 2:43 am

 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Aug 24, 2021 2:58 am

RP-C3503 will return to the lessor later
Callsign: PR5006
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Aug 24, 2021 5:55 pm

JNC03 wrote:
Update about PAL

This article below has a markedly unflattering slant..... :stirthepot:

https://www.philstar.com/business/stock ... billion-q2


So, new aircraft deliveries to PR won't start until 2025 at least...if ever..... :arrow:

https://www.flightglobal.com/airlines/p ... 82.article


JNC03 wrote:
RP-C3503 will return to the lessor later. Callsign: PR5006

Goodbye -03...guess there's little chance of PR re-leasing you in the future..... :wave:




Meanwhile, pax planning to book a flight with 5J would do well to recheck their luggage dimensions carefully..... :boxedin:

https://business.inquirer.net/329523/ce ... added-fees
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2021

Wed Aug 25, 2021 10:11 am

Devilfish wrote:
JNC03 wrote:
Update about PAL

This article below has a markedly unflattering slant..... :stirthepot:

https://www.philstar.com/business/stock ... billion-q2

So, new aircraft deliveries to PR won't start until 2025 at least...if ever..... :arrow:

https://www.flightglobal.com/airlines/p ... icle/quote]

I think this qoute is probably the only way PAL can survived IMHO
"If PAL wants to be anything other than a sad vanity project for the Tan Family, it basically has to tear it all down and start again"

Basically that is the reason why PAL needs to file for Chapter 11 it gives the oppurtunity for PAL to star over again. My only hope is it restruture its business operations moving forward which won't be easy such as closing fiscal Ticketing Offices in favor of either 3rd party travel agencies or through its website or app. Ground handeling is another especially for domesti points they can be giving to other compaines beside MacroAsia which Tan has been consoledating in the pass few years.

I'm not really a business type person just my thought from what I know about operating an airline.
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2021

Wed Aug 25, 2021 10:20 am

Any idea when PAL will be able to accept international to international connections again?
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2021

Thu Aug 26, 2021 3:08 am

PAL 24 August Timetable update released, here are some of the selected highlights. Highly subject to change, depending on conditions.

International
MNL-BNE-AKL v.v. to operate 12 Sep/17 Oct
MNL-HKG v.v. 1 weekly
MNL-JFK v.v. 2x weekly
SFO-CEB-MNL to remain in the schedule indefinitely, 1x weekly
LAX-CEB-MNL to remain until 28 Oct, 1x weekly
MNL-SIN 1x daily, SIN-MNL 6x weekly (Stops in CEB on Saturdays on selected dates)
CEB-NRT v.v. operates on selected Saturdays for Sept/Oct
MNL-LHR v.v. operates on 24 Aug/7&21 Sep/5 Oct
MNL-YYZ v.v. 1x weekly
MNL-CTS/HAN/PNH/TLV v.v. not listed in this update

Domestic
MNL-BSO v.v. 1x daily from 2 Oct
MNL-BXU v.v. operates 12x weekly, increases to 2x daily from 2 Oct
MNL-CGY v.v. 21x weekly, returns to 4x daily by 2 Oct
MNL-MPH v.v. returns to 3x daily from 1 Sep
MNL-CEB v.v. currently operates 5x daily (all opb Mainline), further frequency increases on Sept/Oct (some opb PALex)
MNL-DVO v.v. operates 16x weekly (all opb Mainline), further frequency increases on Sept/Oct (all Mainline)
MNL-ILO v.v. operates 1x daily, 4x daily by 1 Oct
MNL-LGP v.v. operates 4x weekly, 2x daily by 2 Sep
MNL-PPS v.v. highly varies, some Mainline operated flights throughout Sept/Oct
MNL-ZAM v.v. operates 5x weekly until 30 Sep
CEB-BXU v.v. increases to 1x daily from 1 Oct
CEB-BCD v.v. increases to 1x daily from 1 Oct
CEB-USU v.v. 2x weekly from 3 Oct
CEB-CRK v.v. 3x weekly from 1 Sep, aircraft originates from CEB, opb PALex
CEB-DVO v.v. 5x weekly from 1 Sep-29 Sep, 7x Weekly from 2 Oct
CEB-IAO v.v. 7x weekly from 3 Sep
ZAM-TWT v.v. 1x weekly
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2021

Thu Aug 26, 2021 6:10 pm

Philippine747 wrote:
PAL 24 August Timetable update released, here are some of the selected highlights. Highly subject to change, depending on conditions.

Perhaps influenced by this.....

http://philippineairspace.blogspot.com/ ... ional.html


While being payable going forward, in the pax' currency of choice.....

https://businessmirror.com.ph/2021/08/2 ... y-pricing/



Even without Manila being mentioned specifically in the company's plan, this article confidently predicted the future of eVTOL air taxis in the country by 2026... :arrow:

https://www.philstar.com/business/2021/ ... anila-2026

Quote:
"Electric air taxis could take flight in Manila in as early as five years’ time following a partnership between global aerospace company Embraer and Singapore based start-up Ascent Flights Global Ltd.

Eve Urban Air Mobility LLC, an Embraer company, and Ascent have announced a collaboration aimed at developing a robust urban air mobility ecosystem in Asia-Pacific.

In a statement, Eve said it would provide Ascent with up to 100,000 hours of flight time per year on its electrical vertical takeoff and landing (eVTOL) aircraft, also known in the market as EVA or electrical vertical aircraft, beginning in 2026."


All fluff and no substance? :fluffy:
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2021

Thu Aug 26, 2021 11:24 pm

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THANKS DELTA for all the memories to MNL from NRT so sad to see you go, we lost SIN, MNL, NRT. HKG what is next?? COME ON DELTA we want DELTA METAL to Manila so many are so sad.


As far as I know, DL merely suspended ICN-MNL; it's not like it pulled out of the market entirely and said we're never coming back post-COVID. If it did, though, this I want to see as this will be a very major disappointment given my own loyalty to DL, and before that NW, over the last 20 years.
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2021

Fri Aug 27, 2021 7:10 pm

Akiestar wrote:
As far as I know, DL merely suspended ICN-MNL; it's not like it pulled out of the market entirely and said we're never coming back post-COVID. If it did, though, this I want to see as this will be a very major disappointment given my own loyalty to DL, and before that NW, over the last 20 years.

What if DL was merely waiting for the "rumored" A338 Lite to put on the route? :spin: It might be better sized post-pandemic and I may shift allegiance just to try it out should they decide to fly into CRK. :bigthumbsup:

Image posted by: @sean911
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Meanwhile, here are nice photos from SkyscraperCity as well, showing ongoing airside civil works at CEB..... :camera:

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Photos posted by: @Particle 1 & @fretburner
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2021

Sat Aug 28, 2021 3:31 am

Devilfish wrote:
Akiestar wrote:
As far as I know, DL merely suspended ICN-MNL; it's not like it pulled out of the market entirely and said we're never coming back post-COVID. If it did, though, this I want to see as this will be a very major disappointment given my own loyalty to DL, and before that NW, over the last 20 years.

What if DL was merely waiting for the "rumored" A338 Lite to put on the route? :spin: It might be better sized post-pandemic and I may shift allegiance just to try it out should they decide to fly into CRK. :bigthumbsup:Photos posted by: @Particle 1 & @fretburner


DL would be probably more happy giving the slack to KE then returning to MNL. KE operates both MNL and CEB with its LCC subsidary for leisure routes such as KLO, PPS and maybe DVO in the future.

Speaking of the A330 I wonder if it would be viable for PR to used there A333 240T HGW for transpacific flight with a lower seat capacity and modification works with Airbus. With only 2 A350 and 6 B777 to remain and the chance of PAL activating its options for 6 Add A350 unlikely to happend in the coming years. This could be a viable "Stop-gap" solution then ordering the A330neo.

QF is planning to modified its A332 for operations in North America.
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2021

Sat Aug 28, 2021 9:24 am

No it is officall unless down the road maybe but for now Delta has left the Phillippines for good./.... Too bad with the new airport DL could have added CEB and added NS to ICN. Oh Well..


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b777900 wrote:
THANKS DELTA for all the memories to MNL from NRT so sad to see you go, we lost SIN, MNL, NRT. HKG what is next?? COME ON DELTA we want DELTA METAL to Manila so many are so sad.


As far as I know, DL merely suspended ICN-MNL; it's not like it pulled out of the market entirely and said we're never coming back post-COVID. If it did, though, this I want to see as this will be a very major disappointment given my own loyalty to DL, and before that NW, over the last 20 years.
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2021

Sat Aug 28, 2021 2:53 pm

b777900 wrote:
No it is officall unless down the road maybe but for now Delta has left the Phillippines for good./.... Too bad with the new airport DL could have added CEB and added NS to ICN. Oh Well..


Akiestar wrote:
b777900 wrote:
THANKS DELTA for all the memories to MNL from NRT so sad to see you go, we lost SIN, MNL, NRT. HKG what is next?? COME ON DELTA we want DELTA METAL to Manila so many are so sad.


As far as I know, DL merely suspended ICN-MNL; it's not like it pulled out of the market entirely and said we're never coming back post-COVID. If it did, though, this I want to see as this will be a very major disappointment given my own loyalty to DL, and before that NW, over the last 20 years.


As I see it, I see DL will continue to expand the KE partnership. IIRC the ICN-MNL route is to get past some Korea-Philippines bilateral limitations.

Devilfish wrote:

Meanwhile, here are nice photos from SkyscraperCity as well, showing ongoing airside civil works at CEB..... :camera:

Photos posted by: @Particle 1 & @fretburner


Nice to see the new runway taking shape! Interesting to see that they've added a new taxiway between D and C towards the 22 threshold. Hope that Cebu will add another runway in the future as well!
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2021

Sat Aug 28, 2021 3:20 pm

AB330 wrote:
DL would be probably more happy giving the slack to KE then returning to MNL. KE operates both MNL and CEB with its LCC subsidary for leisure routes such as KLO, PPS and maybe DVO in the future.

Well, maybe for the remainder of these lean times. But wasn't KE being already at its entitlement limits per the bilaterals why DL operated the flight instead in the first place?


AB330 wrote:
Speaking of the A330 I wonder if it would be viable for PR to used there A333 240T HGW for transpacific flight with a lower seat capacity and modification works with Airbus. With only 2 A350 and 6 B777 to remain and the chance of PAL activating its options for 6 Add A350 unlikely to happend in the coming years. This could be a viable "Stop-gap" solution then ordering the A330neo.

Reducing the seat count on their remaining A333s would only jack up fares on the route and still not make those CEOs TPAC capable nonstop. Also, I don't know if its lessors and creditors would allow PR to have its leased aircraft modified without settling their obligations first. At the end of the day, it might be more cost effective for PR to let the leases expire (or return the planes) and simply order new when and if they are finally financially able to. :optimist:


Philippine747 wrote:
Nice to see the new runway taking shape! Interesting to see that they've added a new taxiway between D and C towards the 22 threshold. Hope that Cebu will add another runway in the future as well!

They're referring to it as an "alternate/emergency" runway...not a full-pledged one per se. There's hardly any space left for a new, fully-compliant parallel runway.
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2021

Sun Aug 29, 2021 7:16 am

Philippine747 wrote:
Nice to see the new runway taking shape! Interesting to see that they've added a new taxiway between D and C towards the 22 threshold. Hope that Cebu will add another runway in the future as well!

They're referring to it as an "alternate/emergency" runway...not a full-pledged one per se. There's hardly any space left for a new, fully-compliant parallel runway.[/quote]

I imagine it to be something like Gatwick's 8L/26R... in any case, it also provides extra taxi space, which can help in peak hours!
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2021

Sun Aug 29, 2021 11:53 am

AB330 wrote:
Devilfish wrote:
Akiestar wrote:
As far as I know, DL merely suspended ICN-MNL; it's not like it pulled out of the market entirely and said we're never coming back post-COVID. If it did, though, this I want to see as this will be a very major disappointment given my own loyalty to DL, and before that NW, over the last 20 years.

What if DL was merely waiting for the "rumored" A338 Lite to put on the route? :spin: It might be better sized post-pandemic and I may shift allegiance just to try it out should they decide to fly into CRK. :bigthumbsup:Photos posted by: @Particle 1 & @fretburner


DL would be probably more happy giving the slack to KE then returning to MNL. KE operates both MNL and CEB with its LCC subsidary for leisure routes such as KLO, PPS and maybe DVO in the future.

Speaking of the A330 I wonder if it would be viable for PR to used there A333 240T HGW for transpacific flight with a lower seat capacity and modification works with Airbus. With only 2 A350 and 6 B777 to remain and the chance of PAL activating its options for 6 Add A350 unlikely to happend in the coming years. This could be a viable "Stop-gap" solution then ordering the A330neo.

QF is planning to modified its A332 for operations in North America.
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1464211



A330neo is a better fit for PAL but I preferred for them to order 787-9 Dreamliners(but with GEnx engines instead of RR's - GE is much more reliable than RR).
 
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Sun Aug 29, 2021 7:35 pm

The DOTr has inaugurated the new Siquijor Airport terminal last Thursday, August 26.....

http://philippineairspace.blogspot.com/ ... opens.html


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:crossfingers: Wish the pandemic would end soon so people could enjoy the island again. Maybe the SkyCourier pax version will fly by then...it seems an ideal plane for RPSQ. :airplane:



A look back to a tragic day in Philippine aviation -- in memory of the Guy's 112th birthday..... :sigh:

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Mon Aug 30, 2021 1:20 am

https://fr24.com/PAL5008/28f61fb7

RP-C8785 on the way to Alice Springs for storage, second PAL aircraft in the storage facility.
 
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Mon Aug 30, 2021 2:51 am

Hong Kong bans Philippine Airlines flights from Manila for 2 weeks

https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/hea ... hts-manila
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Aug 30, 2021 2:44 pm

JNC03 wrote:
RP-C3503 will return to the lessor later
Callsign: PR5006

Off to Abu Dhabi for some maintenance check.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/rp-c3503

Airbus A350 -941 228 RP-C3503 Philippine Airlines ferried 24aug21 MNL-AUH, for Lufthansa ex F-WZNZ
Source: https://www.skyliner-aviation.de/regdb. ... av4&page=2

Meanwhile the first pre-owned A359 LH is taking, has now its PR title removed. Ready for repaint. Photo in another website.
Airbus A350 -941 243 D-AAEU Lufthansa Technik seen regd at MUC 28aug2,basic Philippines cs, for Lufthansa as D-AIVA ex RP-C3506
Source: https://www.skyliner-aviation.de/regdb. ... av4&page=2
 
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Tue Aug 31, 2021 1:55 am

RDRogel wrote:
A330neo is a better fit for PAL but I preferred for them to order 787-9 Dreamliners(but with GEnx engines instead of RR's - GE is much more reliable than RR).

Seeing that you joined only recently, perhaps you missed the discussions here about the early GEnx's travails. As to the A33N being a better fit for PR, maybe a lower MTOW version as described below could better serve the requirements of particular routes which don't need the A339's size but exceed the range and capacity of the A321XLR.....

https://aviationweek.com/air-transport/ ... o-versions

Of course, the competition's slight OEW advantage (offsetable thru keener pricing) remains...but PR still has to get out of its pecuniary sinkhole before they can think of any new order. :headache:
 
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Wed Sep 01, 2021 4:03 am

Devilfish wrote:
RDRogel wrote:
A330neo is a better fit for PAL but I preferred for them to order 787-9 Dreamliners(but with GEnx engines instead of RR's - GE is much more reliable than RR).

Seeing that you joined only recently, perhaps you missed the discussions here about the early GEnx's travails. As to the A33N being a better fit for PR, maybe a lower MTOW version as described below could better serve the requirements of particular routes which don't need the A339's size but exceed the range and capacity of the A321XLR.....

Of course, the competition's slight OEW advantage (offsetable thru keener pricing) remains...but PR still has to get out of its pecuniary sinkhole before they can think of any new order. :headache:


From: Arianspace

PAL losses of $1.5 billion isn't really bad.

Qantas recently declared $1.83 billion in losses last year. Despite receiving $1.1 billion in State Subsidy.

PAL and CEB also received state subsidy through airport/terminal/navigation fee waivers, repatriation flights, and vaccine transport. Although not in the figure provided by Australia. But still substantial government aid.

Government owned regional carriers like Thai Airways International Pcl and Malaysia Aviation Group have won court approval to restructure billions of dollars in debts, while Garuda Indonesia is seeking a deal to suspend loan payments to creditors and lessors.
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Wed Sep 01, 2021 4:07 am

JNC03 wrote:
https://fr24.com/PAL5008/28f61fb7

RP-C8785 on the way to Alice Springs for storage, second PAL aircraft in the storage facility.


PAL will be keeping all of its Tri-class A330-300 (8780 to 8789) only the Bi-class (8760 to 8766) will see a reduction at less 4 are due to be returned to there lessors while 3 will remain for a total of 11 A330
 
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Wed Sep 01, 2021 6:01 pm

JNC03 wrote:
Hong Kong bans Philippine Airlines flights from Manila for 2 weeks

In conjunction with CX's permanent closure of its MNL and CEB ticketing offices :?:

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http://philippineairspace.blogspot.com/ ... ffice.html


AB330 wrote:
PAL losses of $1.5 billion isn't really bad.

Qantas recently declared $1.83 billion in losses last year. Despite receiving $1.1 billion in State Subsidy.

It's not very enlightening without a comparison of both airlines' scale of operations -- total assets vs total liabilities at each carrier.


AB330 wrote:
PAL will be keeping all of its Tri-class A330-300 (8780 to 8789) only the Bi-class (8760 to 8766) will see a reduction at less 4 are due to be returned to there lessors while 3 will remain for a total of 11 A330

That is a sound decision...PR may be keeping the denser two-class configuration for their less-premium, higher traffic destinations to fight off 5J. :crowded:
 
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Thu Sep 02, 2021 2:59 pm

So...it seems there is no holding back..... :scratchchin:

https://www.flightglobal.com/strategy/p ... 09.article
 
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Fri Sep 03, 2021 3:36 am

This 2010 photo is making headlines in some social media sites :scratchchin:

The jet has a familiar eagle that resembles the logo of 5J. I have so many questions but maybe someone can shed some light? :wave:

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Hongdu_L-15_Falcon.jpg
 
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Fri Sep 03, 2021 10:41 am

[quote="Devilfish"]So...it seems there is no holding back..... :scratchchin:

At the latest, the filing involves return of 3 A359, from the previous two, and 5 B777, from the previous four. RTL of A333 remains the same at four. The rest are A321s/Q4s for a total of 20. Some of the new 321 neos (4/5) is set for return. They are keeping the pair of oz express.The rest of the unexpiring A320/21 fleet will be kept, while the rest will need to go.

As a caveat, Note that this proposal has not been officially approved by lessors just yet, as none have made any returns of conformity, as explained in the flightglobal article.

But if you asked me, most likely it is all set, as this was previously agreed already. Until it is sign though, it will be like the bank that promised to provide $35 million only to walk out the last minute.
 
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Sat Sep 04, 2021 1:38 am

DarQuiet wrote:
The jet has a familiar eagle that resembles the logo of 5J. I have so many questions but maybe someone can shed some light? :wave:

:laughing: No cause for excitement...5J isn't about to put their pilots in military trainers. IINM, that's the Chinese version of the Russian Yak-130 which beat the low-wing MiG AT for orders. Even if the Sinos named it the Falcon, avgeeks were already pointing out the similarity with 5J's logo when it first came out.


AB330 wrote:
At the latest, the filing involves return of 3 A359, from the previous two, and 5 B777, from the previous four. RTL of A333 remains the same at four. The rest are A321s/Q4s for a total of 20. Some of the new 321 neos (4/5) is set for return. They are keeping the pair of oz express.The rest of the unexpiring A320/21 fleet will be kept, while the rest will need to go.

Done!..... https://business.inquirer.net/330075/pa ... -financing -- Guess PR could get by with just three A359s working JFK and LHR due to the big drop in frequencies to both...returning another frame might still be manageable. Here's hoping they won't be compelled to return the rest if push came to shove. :crossfingers: Too bad PR can't keep the A321Ns, the lease rates must be pretty steep. Am surprised though that the TPs are impacted too - thought those were safe. How many -400NGs are leaving the fleet :?:



Meanwhile, it is nice that provincial airports battered by Yolanda are getting upgraded terminals at last...even if demand for air travel won't suddenly increase a lot, at least the facilities will be there and ready..... :thumbsup:

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http://philippineairspace.blogspot.com/ ... opens.html
 
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Sat Sep 04, 2021 2:16 am

FLASH!

A special page for PAL’s recovery plan, including their 80th anniversary video!

https://palrecovery.com
 
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Sat Sep 04, 2021 2:31 am

From the Inquirer link.....

Quote:
"In the statement, Tan said the Chapter 11 deal will allow PAL 'to remain the flag carrier of the Philippines and the premier global airline of the country, one that is better equipped to execute strategic initiatives and sustain the Philippines’ vital global air links to the world.'

'We are grateful to our lenders, aviation partners and other creditors for supporting the plan, which empowers PAL to overcome the unprecedented impact of the global pandemic that has significantly disrupted businesses in all sectors, especially aviation, and emerge stronger for the long-term,' he added."



Flightglobal's take.....

https://www.flightglobal.com/airlines/p ... 41.article
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2021

Sat Sep 04, 2021 8:17 am

As PR enters Chapter 11, this is where the network stands as scheduled on the 1 September edition of the timetable. Selected highlights explained in detail.

International

International scheduled destinations: AKL (via BNE), BKK, BNE, DMM, DOH, DXB, FUK, GUM, HKG, SGN, HNL, CGK, KUL, LHR, MEL, NGO, JFK, KIX, RUH, SFO, ICN, SIN, SYD, TPE, HND, NRT, YYZ, YVR

  • MNL-BNE-AKL v.v. operating on 12 Sep/17Oct
  • MNL-BKK v.v. 1x weekly from 22 Sep
  • MNL-BNE-SYD-MNL operating 4 Sep/2Oct
  • MNL-DMM v.v. operating 3x weekly
  • MNL-DXB v.v. operating 4x weekly, 5x from 3 Oct
  • MNL-FUK v.v. 3x weekly, 4x weekly from 4 October
  • MNL-GUM v.v. 2x weekly, 5x weekly from 16 Oct
  • MNL-HKG v.v. scheduled 2x weekly (unable to operate as pax flights due to HK gov't restrictions)
  • MNL-HNL v.v. scheduled 1x weekly
  • MNL-CGK v.v. on selected dates
  • MNL-LAX 1x daily (PR102), additional 4x weekly service v.v. by 17 Oct (PR112)
  • LAX-MNL 6x weekly (PR103), LAX-CEB-MNL (PR153) runs until 28 October every Thu
  • MNL-MEL v.v. 1x weekly from 2 Oct
  • MNL-JFK v.v. 2x weekly
  • MNL-KIX v.v. 1x daily
  • MNL-SFO 5x weekly, SFO-MNL 4x weekly non-stop, runs via CEB every Sat (indefinite)
  • ICN-MNL v.v. 2x weekly (Timetable shows MNL-ICN available from 1 October)
  • MNL-SIN 1x daily, SIN-MNL 6x weekly, SIN-CEB-MNL 1x weekly
  • MNL-TPE v.v. 3x weekly
  • MNL-NRT v.v. 1x daily
  • MNL-HND v.v. 4x weekly
  • MNL-YYZ v.v. 1x weekly
  • MNL-YVR v.v. 3x weekly, 5x weekly by 17 Oct
  • CEB-NRT operating on various dates

Domestic

Domestic scheduled destinations: MNL, BCD, BSO, USU, BXU, CGY, CYP, CRM, MPH, CEB, COT, DVO, DPL, DGT, GES, ILO, KLO, LAO, LGP, OZC, PAG, PPS, ROX, EUQ, IAO, TAC, TAG, ZAM, CRK, TWT

  • MNL-BCD v.v. 2x weekly, 3x daily by 1 Oct
  • MNL-USU v.v. 1x daily from 8 Sep
  • MNL-BXU v.v. 11x weekly, 2x daily from 2 Oct
  • MNL-CGY v.v. 2x daily, 21x weekly from 9 Sep
  • MNL-CEB v.v. 36x weekly all opb Mainline
  • MNL-DVO v.v. 21x weekly, 23x weekly from 10 Sep, all opb Mainline
  • MNL-GES v.v. 4x weekly
  • MNL-ILO v.v. 1x daily
  • MNL-KLO v.v. 5x weekly all opb PALex
  • MNL-LAO v.v. 2x weekly
  • MNL-LGP v.v. 2x daily
  • MNL-PAG v.v. 1x daily
  • MNL-PPS v.v. 6x daily, 5x PALex, 1x Mainline
  • MNL-IAO v.v. 3x weekly, 1x daily by 13 Sep
  • MNL-TAC v.v. 2x daily
  • MNL-TAG v.v. 9x weekly
  • MNL-ZAM v.v. 3x weekly
  • CEB-BCD v.v. 1x weekly
  • CEB-CGY v.v. 2x weekly, 5x weekly by 7 Oct
  • CEB-MPH v.v. resumes 8 Sep, 1x weekly, 3x by 5 Oct
  • CEB-CRK v.v. 3x weekly, all opb PALex
  • CEB-DVO v.v. 3x weekly, increasing to 5x weekly by 7 Oct
  • CEB-IAO v.v. 2x weekly, increasing to 5x weekly by 10 Sep
  • CEB-TAC v.v. 2x weekly
  • CEB-ZAM v.v. 1x weekly
  • ZAM-TWT v.v. 1x weekly

Domestic destinations that have had previous history of regular Mainline service will have the operating airline noted.
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2021

Sat Sep 04, 2021 12:48 pm

Not sure who is excited but the question is why even bother copy the logo of an LCC :rotfl:

Devilfish wrote:
DarQuiet wrote:
The jet has a familiar eagle that resembles the logo of 5J. I have so many questions but maybe someone can shed some light? :wave:

:laughing: No cause for excitement...5J isn't about to put their pilots in military trainers. IINM, that's the Chinese version of the Russian Yak-130 which beat the low-wing MiG AT for orders. Even if the Sinos named it the Falcon, avgeeks were already pointing out the similarity with 5J's logo when it first came out.
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