Delivery for the first A330neo of Cebu Pacific is moved to 3rd week of November according to an email sent to employees

RoyalBrunei757 wrote:

AB330 wrote:

RoyalBrunei757 wrote:

Lufthansa confirms again they are taking four ex-PR A350.

https://uk.investing.com/news/stock-mar ... ns-2476551

RP-C3503
RP-C3504
RP-C3506
RP-C3507

3504 is flying again with PAL while 3507 is currently at CRK being stored. Its highly possible that both will leave the fleet next year

The qoute from LH CEO about the lease rates is certainly interesting. LATAM has removed the A350 from there fleet I wonder if PAL will consider taking some of them that is not earmarked for Delta?

https://www.airliners.net/photo/TAM-LAT ... w1dg%3D%3D

I doubt it will happend anytime soon though. But could be a cheaper way for PAL to converted there options to the A35K instead of making a new orders or signing a new lease agreement.

Thank you for the update. Yes, it is probable that 3504 and 3507 will leave by end of the year as LH Teknik now are busy with the other two ex-PR A350 and their German Air Force new A350.

The leasing market is pretty much tanked due to the pandemic, there aren't as many shoppers for widebody compared to narrowbody. While we are a lot of narrowbodies being picked up, the widebody market is saturated by pre-loved machines A330, A350 and B787. Pretty much buyers' market now.

Yes, I agree with you, not anytime soon. PAL has/planning to offloaded A350s/A330s/B77Ws, undergoing bankruptcy protection now, and they have overcapacity issue, so I am not sure if they are rushing to add more A350 or more capacity for that matter. The remaining ex-LATAM 6 A350 that Delta did not take up belongs to LATAM through shell companies if I am not mistaken. They are locked in legal settlement as I last known, not sure if they are cleared by legal authorities by now.

Well if that is the case then maybe its much easier to order from Airbus then taking-up existing frames which those not have the same configuration as what is PAL currently flying.

Summary:

PAL believes it can complete the Chapter 11 process before the end of 2021.
A330s, A350s and 777s will bear the brunt of the fleet reductions.
Toronto, New York and London flights will be cut from the PAL network.
A321neo orders have been pushed back and a 777 decision looms.
PAL faces strong competition for market share from LCCs.

I got this table from CAPA here is the link to there article.
https://centreforaviation.com/analysis/ ... ded-574345

It will take time for PAL to rebuild its network again especially long-haul routes. But I think focusing in North America especially the US and Canada would be the most conservative and safest course moving forward. Competition though will remain tough especially from established connecting carriers such as CX, KE, BR and QR.

With that into consideration deferring there options for more A350 up to 2030 should give sufficient time to see what the Post-pandemic long-haul network will look like. Which gives them two options:

1,) Converted there existing options for 6 additional Airbus A350-900 to the larger A350-1000 as a replacement for the Boeing 777-300ER.

2,) Partially converted 3 to the larger A350-1000 with the remaining half 3 as A350-900 which will replaced lost frames after being returned to there lessors.

A third option would be to standardized the A350-900 as PAL primarily long-haul aircraft and the 6 A350-900 will be the replacement for the Boeing 777.

Of the three the third is the less likely scenario to happened while both the 1st and 2nd option are the most likely. I think it will take 3-5 years before we can which direction PAL eventually takes.

First version of the 2021-2022 PR Winter Timetable effective from 31 October now up on their website. This is highly subject to change, but should things pan out, we will see a significant increase in service, with return of regular flights to a number of international destinations. However, this might see the dropping of service to YYZ, with the cuts to the A350 fleet. It seems to be a bit more conservative compared to last year's Winter Timetable update, but frequencies on some routes have increased compared to pre-Covid levels.

As such, here are some of the selected highlights:

International
MNL-AKL v.v. to still run via BNE on 14 Nov, 12/16 Dec, 9/16 Jan 22, 6/20 Feb 2022
MNL-DPS v.v. planned to resume 1 Jan 22
MNL-BNE v.v. regular weekly service resumes 7 Jan (Manila dep)
MNL-PUS v.v. planned to resume 1 Jan 22, 1x daily
MNL-CGK v.v. operates 8/22/29 Nov, 1x weekly from 5 Dec, 6x weekly by 1 Jan, 1x daily by 2 Feb
MNL-KUL increases to 2x weekly from 7 Dec
MNL-DMM v.v. 5x weekly form 2 Dec
MNL-DXB v.v. 1x daily from 7 Dec
MNL-HAN v.v. operates 13 Dec, 10 Jan 22, 14 Feb 22 and 14 Mar 22
MNL-HKG v.v. 1x daily
MNL-LHR v.v. operate 9/23 Nov, 7/14 Dec, 4/11 Jan 22
MNL-MFM v.v. planned to resume 6 Nov, 1x weekly, 3x weekly from 2 Jan 22
MNL-MEL v.v. regular service resumes 20 Dec, 3x weekly until 28 Dec, 2x from 1 Jan 22
MNL-NGO v.v. returns 1 Nov
MNL-JFK v.v. 3x weekly (continues to the end of the timetable period)
MNL-PNH v.v. planned to operate 5 Nov, 3 Dec, 14/28 Jan 22, 11/25 Feb 22, 11/25 Mar 22
MNL-POM v.v. planned to operate 10 Dec, 8/22 Jan 22, 12/16 Feb 22, 12/26 Mar 22
MNL-SFO v.v. 1x daily, CEB stop dropped
MNL-ICN v.v. 3x weekly from 3 Nov until 27 Nov
MNL-SIN v.v. 10x weekly from 3 Nov, 12x weekly from 2 Dec, 2x daily from 1 Feb
MNL-TPE v.v. 4x weekly from 26 Nov
MNL-HND v.v. 5x weekly from 2 Dec
MNL-YYZ v.v. 1x weekly scheduled until 26 Jan 22 (watch for further official updates)
MNL-YVR 4x weekly from 2 Nov, 5x weekly from 6 Feb 22
CEB-NRT v.v. regular service resumes 2 Jan 22, 2x weekly

Domestic
MNL-BCD v.v. 5x daily, 6x from 1-31 Jan
MNL-USU v.v. 2x daily
MNL-BXU v.v. 2x daily
MNL-CGY v.v. returns to 4x daily from 1 Dec
MNL-MPH v.v. 33x weekly until Nov 30, 5x daily from 1 Dec
MNL-CEB v.v. 8x daily from 1 Jan (1 daily flight opb PALex, rest opb Mainline), 10x daily from 1 Jan (1x Mainline)
MNL-DVO v.v. 23x weekly until 1 Dec, 32x weekly from 1 Dec
MNL-DGT v.v. 1x daily
MNL-GES v.v. returns to 1x daily from 1 Dec
MNL-ILO v.v. 3x daily, 5x daily from 1-31 Jan
MNL-KLO v.v. 5x weekly until 31 Dec, daily during the month of Jan 2022, returns to 5x weekly through Feb 2022, finally daily or the remainder of the schedule (all opb PALex)
MNL-LAO v.v. 2x weekly
MNL-LGP v.v. 3x daily
MNL-OZC v.v. 1x daily
MNL-PAG v.v. 1x daily
MNL-PPS loses Mainline service, all flights opb PALex
MNL-IAO v.v. 7x weekly
MNL-TAC v.v. 3x daily
MNL-TAG v.v. 2x daily
MNL-ZAM v.v. increases to 7x weekly by 2 Dec
CEB-BXU v.v. 1x daily from 1 Dec
CEB-CGY v.v. increases to 7x weekly by 2 Dec
CEB-ZAM v.v. now 2x weekly
ZAM-TWT v.v. 2x weekly until 29 Nov, 3x weekly by 1 Dec
CEB-PPS v.v. planned to resume 1 Mar 22, 3x weekly
CEB-USU v.v. planned to resume 2 Mar 22, 3x weekly

Wonder how this will effect PAL restrcuturing program?

https://www.philstar.com/business/2021/ ... es-son-law

Also El Kapitan overruled the CEO and PAL is staying with JFK, YYZ and LHR.

AB330 wrote:

Wonder how this will effect PAL restrcuturing program?

So long as it does not go against the provisions established by the bankruptcy court, it likely can proceed as a regular course of business.

https://business.inquirer.net/332115/bi ... son-in-law

AB330 wrote:

Also El Kapitan overruled the CEO and PAL is staying with JFK, YYZ and LHR.

Any source for this...not sure if it violates any of the covenants agreed to in the hearings? I respect El Kapitan's business acumen but advanced age may cloud his judgment a bit. There was even a rumor insinuating that it's the taipan's spouse calling the shots now in parts of his business empire.


In a related development.....

https://businessmirror.com.ph/2021/10/0 ... x-workers/



So it came to pass...the last PR commercial flight departed from the old LGP airport.....


https://scontent.fmnl8-1.fna.fbcdn.net/ ... e=6164B3D6


And the new BIA gives a drizzly welcome to PR's first commercial Q400NG service to this newest "scenic" terminal in the region.....


https://scontent.fmnl8-1.fna.fbcdn.net/ ... e=616550DD

http://philippineairspace.blogspot.com/ ... ewell.html


Ditto for 5J.....

https://www.gmanetwork.com/news/money/c ... y/?just_in



From SkyscraperCity...still plenty of finishing works to be done in CRK T2.....

source: @Jamjam FB

https://www.skyscrapercity.com/cdn-cgi/ ... g.2160827/



https://www.skyscrapercity.com/cdn-cgi/ ... g.2160828/

photos posted by: @Sisigboy

Devilfish wrote:

AB330 wrote:

Also El Kapitan overruled the CEO and PAL is staying with JFK, YYZ and LHR.

Any source for this...not sure if it violates any of the covenants agreed to in the hearings? I respect El Kapitan's business acumen but advanced age may cloud his judgment a bit. There was even a rumor insinuating that it's the taipan's spouse calling the shots now in parts of his business empire.

Orginally it came from a chat at Grapevine from employees of PAL and was posted here below.

http://philippine-aviation-forum.259.s1 ... html#a3128

I'm unsure if it violates previous court proceedings or a revision of the post-pandemic strategy will need to seek further clarification first.

Looking recently at flights to Manila from Europe, I am amazed at the high prices. This is of course due to the pandemic, but there is something specific to flights into The Philippines. From Brussels, flights to HKG, BKK, KUL, SGN as examples are back to earlier pre-pandemic price levels, whereas flights from BRU to MNL via the Middle East, of BKK, HKG, SIN etc are still very expensive. I then had a look at regional flights between MNL and HKG, BKK, SGN, ... and find that these are at least 2 times the pre-pandemic fares

PAL operates to HKG once a day, before it was 4 or 5 times. Cebu Pacific's flights to HKG are also a fraction of before. If there is a high demand that forces up fares, in normal times, the airlines will add capacity and increase flights, but currently this is not happening

What are the limits imposed within The Philippines causing this price hike, and is there any timeline or set of conditions to be met such that supply and demand can be better balanced and fares return to lower levels

sassiciai wrote:

Looking recently at flights to Manila from Europe, I am amazed at the high prices. This is of course due to the pandemic, but there is something specific to flights into The Philippines. From Brussels, flights to HKG, BKK, KUL, SGN as examples are back to earlier pre-pandemic price levels, whereas flights from BRU to MNL via the Middle East, of BKK, HKG, SIN etc are still very expensive. I then had a look at regional flights between MNL and HKG, BKK, SGN, ... and find that these are at least 2 times the pre-pandemic fares

PAL operates to HKG once a day, before it was 4 or 5 times. Cebu Pacific's flights to HKG are also a fraction of before. If there is a high demand that forces up fares, in normal times, the airlines will add capacity and increase flights, but currently this is not happening

What are the limits imposed within The Philippines causing this price hike, and is there any timeline or set of conditions to be met such that supply and demand can be better balanced and fares return to lower levels

1500 international pax arrivals per day split among all routes and airlines. MNL outbound flights are always full and aren’t really a problem. Flew to MNL-AMS return via QR and every leg was full except for DOH-MNL which had some 30 pax

AB330 wrote:

Wonder how this will effect PAL restrcuturing program?

https://www.philstar.com/business/2021/ ... es-son-law

Also El Kapitan overruled the CEO and PAL is staying with JFK, YYZ and LHR.

Seems so, MNL-YYZ-MNL remains bookable for flights after 16 Jan 2022 (last scheduled flight in the most recent Winter Timetable Update). Also, interesting to see Air Canada interline flights available for booking in addition to WestJet operated flights.

PAL is taking another shot at MNL-SEA...but this time via a HA interline.

https://business.inquirer.net/331585/pa ... le-flights

HA's SEA-HNL service will feed into PR100/101 (HNL-MNL). Kind of a shame that we won't see PAL A350s at Sea-Tac like we currently see at YVR. They would have looked nice alongside the Singapore and Cathay A350s.

Philippine747 wrote:

AB330 wrote:

Wonder how this will effect PAL restrcuturing program?

https://www.philstar.com/business/2021/ ... es-son-law

Also El Kapitan overruled the CEO and PAL is staying with JFK, YYZ and LHR.

Seems so, MNL-YYZ-MNL remains bookable for flights after 16 Jan 2022 (last scheduled flight in the most recent Winter Timetable Update). Also, interesting to see Air Canada interline flights available for booking in addition to WestJet operated flights.

Most pax from YYZ are VFR with the light pax loads PAL could maximize the cargo capacity for Balikbayan boxes. I wonder if its the difficult to regaining slots or due to Bilateral agreements are the reason why El Kapitan could be keeping YYZ?

Clearer video from YouTube of PAL Q400NG's first revenue flight departing BIA.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M903I5_0CY4&t=4s


A few more interior photos of BIA from SkyscraperCity.....

source: @Myra Baranda

https://scontent.fmnl8-1.fna.fbcdn.net/ ... e=618CC8F5



https://scontent.fmnl8-1.fna.fbcdn.net/ ... e=618A93E2



https://scontent.fmnl8-1.fna.fbcdn.net/ ... e=618BD862



https://scontent.fmnl8-1.fna.fbcdn.net/ ... e=618CD47A



https://scontent.fmnl8-2.fna.fbcdn.net/ ... e=618AA3A2

posted by: @tracker57

And a rather shaky video taken from landside of the new terminal.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pk-KxK8hUwE


Still plenty of utilities, grounds & landscaping, and particularly jetbridge installation work outstanding. Hopefully, all would be completed in time with the relaxation of health protocols so more people could visit and enjoy the new facility and bucolic surroundings.

Devilfish wrote:

A few more interior photos of BIA from SkyscraperCity.....

source: @Myra Baranda

https://scontent.fmnl8-1.fna.fbcdn.net/ ... e=618CC8F5



https://scontent.fmnl8-1.fna.fbcdn.net/ ... e=618A93E2



https://scontent.fmnl8-1.fna.fbcdn.net/ ... e=618BD862



https://scontent.fmnl8-1.fna.fbcdn.net/ ... e=618CD47A



https://scontent.fmnl8-2.fna.fbcdn.net/ ... e=618AA3A2

posted by: @tracker57

Really like the desgin though the exterior is simple and functional. The interiors on the other hand welcome you to Bicol Region having 2 jet bridge won't be problem as most flights will be operated by ATR 72, DHC-8 and A320 family out of MNL while Turboprops form CEB.

Last week I asked in this thread as to why fares for flights to NAIA are so astronomically high, to learn that there is a daily cap on international arrivals (of 2000), and that most arriving pax will need to spend 14 days in an approved hotel under quarantine, at their own expense I assume

May I ask those of you based in The Philippines if the Government has already defined those conditions necessary for the current restrictions to be lifted, firstly to lift the daily limit, and secondly to drop the quarantine requirement for arriving pax who come from a "green country" and who are fully vaccinated!

AB330 wrote:

I wonder if its the difficult to regaining slots or due to Bilateral agreements are the reason why El Kapitan could be keeping YYZ?

Think it's the perceived demand rather at YYZ that's driving this decision...for their LHR slots are way more valuable in that regard ($45M per report) - as PR stands to lose those if they cease operations into London (perhaps PR could sell them to raise more cash?).....

https://business.inquirer.net/332489/pr ... rehab-plan

https://www.philstar.com/business/2021/ ... illion-pal

AB330 wrote:

having 2 jet bridge won't be problem as most flights will be operated by ATR 72, DHC-8 and A320 family out of MNL while Turboprops form CEB.

Thing is, BIA is now a designated "international" airport...they're angling to attract more regional tourists there via direct flights (maybe on A321s as well). These will allow them to bypass chaotic MNL. Having passengers endure the elements getting into the terminal (especially during Bicol's infamous typhoon season) is a powerful disincentive.

I suspect the blue tarp covered thing in the video are parts of the jetbridge...note too the semi-circular junction at the end of the air bridge where it usually attaches. Also, getting more "island hopping" flights there from other local leisure spots (i.e., AirSWIFT from ENI) will certainly boost local tourism. I always considered the ATR42-600 as a versatile island hopper.....


Btw, whatever happened to their and Balesin's ATR72s...ditto with Sunlight Air

sassiciai wrote:

May I ask those of you based in The Philippines if the Government has already defined those conditions necessary for the current restrictions to be lifted, firstly to lift the daily limit, and secondly to drop the quarantine requirement for arriving pax who come from a "green country" and who are fully vaccinated!

I hope these help.....

http://philippineairspace.blogspot.com/ ... nsive.html

https://globalnation.inquirer.net/19962 ... -travelers

As it turns out, El Kapitan has a lot more loose change under the mattress.....

https://www.flightglobal.com/strategy/t ... 53.article

https://business.inquirer.net/332523/lu ... al-revival


He seems to be the only one who cares enough to invest further in his airline's future. Does this mean he would have plenty more left to replace PR's returned aircraft when the time comes?

In a separate (but maybe) CRK related development, BCDA's CEO has tendered his resignation from the post.....

https://www.philstar.com/headlines/2021 ... force-exec


I can only think of one reason why he would do that.....

https://business.inquirer.net/332447/un ... oordinator

Devilfish wrote:

Btw, whatever happened to their and Balesin's ATR72s...ditto with Sunlight Air

The company behind Sunlight is still selling tour packages + flights, so I guess they're used for that purpose. Sunlight is also flying cargo ops.

AB330 wrote:

Seems so, MNL-YYZ-MNL remains bookable for flights after 16 Jan 2022 (last scheduled flight in the most recent Winter Timetable Update). Also, interesting to see Air Canada interline flights available for booking in addition to WestJet operated flights.

Most pax from YYZ are VFR with the light pax loads PAL could maximize the cargo capacity for Balikbayan boxes. I wonder if its the difficult to regaining slots or due to Bilateral agreements are the reason why El Kapitan could be keeping YYZ?[/quote]

Could also probably put a tag-on sector to a US East Coast destination, just like YVR-JFK, may be useful in the future.

Selected updates from the PAL Winter Timetable update as of 18 October:

International
MNL-CGK 1x weekly brought forward to 7 November (flights on 8/22/29 Nov still listed)
MNL-HKG service increase adjusted, 3x weekly until 1 Dec, 1x daily after that date
MNL-RUH v.v. goes 1x daily from 2 Dec
MNL-YYZ v.v. still listed as operating 1x weekly until 26 Jan 21 (MNL dep)
SFO-MNL stops via CEB every Saturday from 6 November up to at least 26 March 22
LAX-CEB (PR153) open for booking for travel between those two cities from 3 November up to at least 25 March 22, LAX departure. CEB-LAX not listed. Operates 2x weekly, 77W listed

Philippine747 wrote:

The company behind Sunlight is still selling tour packages + flights, so I guess they're used for that purpose. Sunlight is also flying cargo ops.

Thank you for the info.

Philippine747 wrote:

Could also probably put a tag-on sector to a US East Coast destination, just like YVR-JFK, may be useful in the future.

YVR-JFK may be PR's most viable eastern seaboard tag-on ever...unless SEA-MCO surprises everybody with pent-up demand - but under cabotage.

http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=MNL-SEA-MC ... =wls&DU=nm

Philippine747 wrote:

MNL-YYZ v.v. still listed as operating 1x weekly until 26 Jan 21 (MNL dep)

I'm assuming PAL is still using their remaining A359 for this? Wonder if it'd actually be more economical for them flying YYZ nonstop vs routing the tri-class A333 via HNL as discussed in their hubbing strategy upthread

Philippine747 wrote:

LAX-CEB (PR153) open for booking for travel between those two cities from 3 November up to at least 25 March 22, LAX departure. CEB-LAX not listed. Operates 2x weekly, 77W listed

Now, this is where the A359 could be useful (as well as MNL-SEA). Question is if sustainable loads would be there when the pandemic ebbs In which case Airbus' threat of restructuring airlines being relegated to the end of the line sounds hollow.....

https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/tra ... rbus-warns

Quote:
"Airbus has raised the alarm over the standstill in Asian air travel that continues to hobble pandemic-battered airlines, with the European planemaker saying it is struggling to restructure deals for a large number of aircraft ordered by the region’s carriers.

The aircraft giant’s top salesman warned in an interview that ongoing delays to the reopening of international travel could leave Asia at the back of the queue for new aircraft as Europe and the United States forge ahead in reviving economic growth and activity."


Per reports, PAL evidently is a better credit risk than others in the region having gargantuan deals being delayed or shelved altogether. Would the OEM really spurn PR should it place a modest packaged order for A35Ks and A33Ns five years hence for delivery at the start of the new decade?

Devilfish wrote:

Philippine747 wrote:

The company behind Sunlight is still selling tour packages + flights, so I guess they're used for that purpose. Sunlight is also flying cargo ops.

Thank you for the info.

No problem!

Devilfish wrote:

YVR-JFK may be PR's most viable eastern seaboard tag-on ever...unless SEA-MCO surprises everybody with pent-up demand - but under cabotage.

http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=MNL-SEA-MC ... =wls&DU=nm

Especially if they can partner with AC/WS on the transborder routes...

Devilfish wrote:

I'm assuming PAL is still using their remaining A359 for this? Wonder if it'd actually be more economical for them flying YYZ nonstop vs routing the tri-class A333 via HNL as discussed in their hubbing strategy upthread

A check for 12 January shows A350 operating.

Apologies if this has been discussed previously, but what ever happened to SkyJet? Can't book flights on their website and their socials seem to have been neglected for almost 12 months. Have they gone bust?

Philippine747 wrote:

Devilfish wrote:

Philippine747 wrote:

The company behind Sunlight is still selling tour packages + flights, so I guess they're used for that purpose. Sunlight is also flying cargo ops.

Thank you for the info.

No problem!

Devilfish wrote:

YVR-JFK may be PR's most viable eastern seaboard tag-on ever...unless SEA-MCO surprises everybody with pent-up demand - but under cabotage.

http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=MNL-SEA-MC ... =wls&DU=nm

Especially if they can partner with AC/WS on the transborder routes...

Devilfish wrote:

I'm assuming PAL is still using their remaining A359 for this? Wonder if it'd actually be more economical for them flying YYZ nonstop vs routing the tri-class A333 via HNL as discussed in their hubbing strategy upthread

A check for 12 January shows A350 operating.

Its possible PR will be reviving 5th Freedom flight between JFK and YVR with the B77W. While YYZ will remain direct with the A359.

AB330 wrote:

Philippine747 wrote:

Devilfish wrote:

Thank you for the info.

No problem!

Devilfish wrote:

YVR-JFK may be PR's most viable eastern seaboard tag-on ever...unless SEA-MCO surprises everybody with pent-up demand - but under cabotage.

http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=MNL-SEA-MC ... =wls&DU=nm

Especially if they can partner with AC/WS on the transborder routes...

Devilfish wrote:

I'm assuming PAL is still using their remaining A359 for this? Wonder if it'd actually be more economical for them flying YYZ nonstop vs routing the tri-class A333 via HNL as discussed in their hubbing strategy upthread

A check for 12 January shows A350 operating.

Its possible PR will be reviving 5th Freedom flight between JFK and YVR with the B77W. While YYZ will remain direct with the A359.

CX has pulled out the JFK tag-on on CX888. Does it mean that CX couldn’t make it work any longer after serving the route for more than 2 decades? On the other hand, I wonder how did PR do when it used to operate the YVRJFK vv. route.

AN742 wrote:

Apologies if this has been discussed previously, but what ever happened to SkyJet? Can't book flights on their website and their socials seem to have been neglected for almost 12 months. Have they gone bust?

These might shed more light on the issue.....

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DXEcZgIW0AAv035.jpg

https://sa.kapamilya.com/absnews/abscbn ... rplane.jpg

https://footloosetomcat.files.wordpress ... =700&h=467

https://www.rappler.com/nation/customs-forfeits-jet

AB330 wrote:

Its possible PR will be reviving 5th Freedom flight between JFK and YVR with the B77W.

Just to clarify...didn't PR lose the entitlement when they chose to fly nonstop to JFK

azyazy wrote:

CX has pulled out the JFK tag-on on CX888. Does it mean that CX couldn’t make it work any longer after serving the route for more than 2 decades?

What CX does has no bearing on PR's actions. It may even be beneficial as it removed a cheaper two-stop competition which poached PR pax to MNL.

azyazy wrote:

On the other hand, I wonder how did PR do when it used to operate the YVRJFK vv. route.

Nothing stellar but there must be more than meets the eye for PR to persevere in keeping JFK.


And now...something for SGL's advocates to chew on.....

https://www.philstar.com/business/2021/ ... ey-airport

http://philippineairspace.blogspot.com/ ... -base.html


Interesting how SMC's rendering gets used for any report of airport projects anywhere!

Devilfish wrote:

And now...something for SGL's advocates to chew on.....

https://www.philstar.com/business/2021/ ... ey-airport

http://philippineairspace.blogspot.com/ ... -base.html


Interesting how SMC's rendering gets used for any report of airport projects anywhere!

Suprised with this move by the PAF as previously the 15th SW have been moving assets from SGL to Lumbia down though
no word yet if work started turning Lumbia into an Airbase.
southhttps://www.asiapacificdefensejour ... r.html?m=1

Devilfish wrote:

AB330 wrote:

Its possible PR will be reviving 5th Freedom flight between JFK and YVR with the B77W.

Just to clarify...didn't PR lose the entitlement when they chose to fly nonstop to JFK

Not a lawyer, but if my interpretation of the US-Philippines ASA (amendment of 1995) is correct, PR is still entitled to fly between YVR and JFK as YVR is considered an "intermediate point." Furthermore, according to the Philippines-Canada Air services agreement (2008), PAL is entitled to 4 weekly 5th freedom sectors to any point in the US (except between YYZ-California).

https://2009-2017.state.gov/documents/o ... 144734.pdf
https://2009-2017.state.gov/e/eb/rls/ot ... 114212.htm
https://otc-cta.gc.ca/eng/transport-agr ... hilippines

AB330 wrote:

Suprised with this move by the PAF as previously the 15th SW have been moving assets from SGL to Lumbia down though no word yet if work started turning Lumbia into an Airbase.

Maybe the PAF decided that since Lumbia was not ready yet and SGL's facilities need no further huge allocations to make those suitable for military operations, they might as well base there as the only other users were GenAv and fish runs. The PAF could be planning to station a few of the "rumored" additional A29Bs and any remaining "flyable" OV-10Bs or other TPs when Lumbia can finally host those.....

https://newsinfo.inquirer.net/1505035/n ... y-air-base

Quote:
"During the delivery of the Super Tucanos last year, Lorenzana said the military was considering acquiring another batch of A29Bs, 12 more in 2022 and another six turboprops later."

Philippine747 wrote:

Not a lawyer, but if my interpretation of the US-Philippines ASA (amendment of 1995) is correct, PR is still entitled to fly between YVR and JFK as YVR is considered an "intermediate point." Furthermore, according to the Philippines-Canada Air services agreement (2008), PAL is entitled to 4 weekly 5th freedom sectors to any point in the US (except between YYZ-California).

Thanks again.


New to the list of upgraded airports, Camiguin (CMG) adds another island destination for point to point leisure travelers.....

https://business.inquirer.net/332988/do ... -on-oct-25

Come to think of it, the PCG's newly delivered Cessna Caravan and H-145 could be stationed at SGL as well -- with some of their new patrol boats nearby.....


https://www.scramble.nl/images/news/202 ... livery.jpg



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EayV6uJU0Achkmb.jpg



https://assets2.rappler.com/241ADE6EAE7 ... 2019-5.jpg


Guess the PAF prevailed in the tug-of-war...all they need now is to change the name on the 'newish' hangar to suit.....


https://www.cnn.ph/.imaging/mte/demo-cn ... _CNNPH.jpg


BTW, the Cessna acquisition could help the SkyCourier pax version make inroads into the local "island hopping" scene when it eventually launches.....


https://skyvector.com/sites/default/fil ... 9403_n.jpg



https://1.bp.blogspot.com/--6SckiZr3LE/ ... 7936_n.jpg



https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Xu6Kw4pfUyc/ ... 6448_n.jpg


This following PAL's call for a halt in quarantine stays at accredited facilities.....

https://business.inquirer.net/332890/pa ... -n-america

http://philippineairspace.blogspot.com/ ... gners.html

Further to the Sangley Point basing decision, the pax terminal could serve as the administrative building, conference & briefing spaces, wing leaders' areas, and base commander's HQs.....


https://i1.wp.com/rmn.ph/wp-content/upl ... C648&ssl=1



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EIA4zifU0AAWV4R.jpg:large


.....While the maintenance hangar could house the Super Tucanos and other air assets.....


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EIA9LfxU0AAMrII.jpg


Not sure though if civilian cargo ops and GenAv would still be allowed there in the future.


https://www.manilatimes.net/uploads/imp ... gley10.jpg

From PBS...aerial view of the newly inaugurated CMG airport plus three more pics of the terminal and single engine fire station.....


https://scontent.fcgy2-2.fna.fbcdn.net/ ... e=6196DDBC



https://scontent.fcgy2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/ ... e=61979693



https://scontent.fcgy2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/ ... e=6198EE65



https://scontent.fcgy2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/ ... e=619817AC


Expectedly, more travelers will visit the island now that this is in effect.....

http://philippineairspace.blogspot.com/ ... om-us.html



Should the PAF actually stand a new unit of A-29Bs at Lumbia from a future order, then there would be these to patrol the skies going forward and see to the safety of tourists on Camiguin a short distance away....


https://scontent.fcgy2-2.fna.fbcdn.net/ ... e=6198B60D

Over at CRK...they have conducted a test run of the check-in kiosks and automated bag drops the other day.....

https://www.sunstar.com.ph/article/1910 ... rk-airport

Indicated that other tests would be performed to ensure a smooth service opening. Also, from SkyscraperCity...erection work looks to be starting on the Airport Village.

photo posted by: @Sisigboy

https://www.skyscrapercity.com/cdn-cgi/ ... g.2250126/

Based on the renders, it could hopefully help the terminal clinch the coveted Prix Versailles award.....


Meanwhile...in keeping with the times...one livery seems apropos.....

Wouldn't it be nice if DL were to apply the above color scheme on their A339 doing the MNL runs?


Might even be a welcome sight should they hub it in Bulakan within a few years time.


As to SMC's PAREX proposal I guess prioritizing the NMIA coastal expressway to MNL will be much less controversial.....



There appears to be widely diverging opinions regarding PR's current financial situation.....

http://philippineairspace.blogspot.com/ ... llion.html

https://bilyonaryo.com/2021/10/23/wake- ... hapter-11/

Wherever the ball might be, PAL has nonetheless gained a Pasay City court's recognition of the carrier's Chapter 11 filing.....

https://www.philstar.com/business/2021/ ... -11-filing

Quote:
"Lucio Tan’s Buona Sorte Holdings Inc. (BSHI) will extend a $250 million loan to PAL on top of the $275 million in fresh capital it is injecting into the flag carrier’s parent firm PAL Holdings Inc. The amount will complete the $505 million working capital requirement of the flag carrier under its proposed plan of reorganization in its Chapter 11 filing."


It doesn't seem likely that the decision will be appealed...paving the way for the BSHI loan to PR to proceed.

https://www.philstar.com/business/2021/ ... rapped-pal

So...it is confirmed.....

https://business.inquirer.net/333297/lu ... m-lifeline


But not everyone seems pleased.....

https://www.philstar.com/business/stock ... p-it-alive


Elsewhere, as expected.....

http://philippineairspace.blogspot.com/ ... irect.html


http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=CGM-MNL/CE ... RK-ENI/MPH

Hopefully, other small, leisure destinations would be covered as COVID cases gradually decrease.

https://businessmirror.com.ph/2021/10/2 ... -tourists/

https://www.philstar.com/nation/2021/10 ... d-tourists



OTOH...such may not be the case with the arrival of more OFWs from abroad.....

http://philippineairspace.blogspot.com/ ... untry.html

Am a bit delighted though to see this flightline (which I haven't set foot on for the past 29 years) active again.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6jHER48gJU&t=8s



Meanwhile, from SkyscraperCity -- the MCIAA Building has just been inaugurated.....


https://www.skyscrapercity.com/cdn-cgi/ ... g.2272298/



https://www.skyscrapercity.com/cdn-cgi/ ... g.2272294/

photos posted by: @Guttersnipes

Devilfish wrote:

So...it is confirmed.....

https://business.inquirer.net/333297/lu ... m-lifeline

But not everyone seems pleased.....

https://www.philstar.com/business/stock ... p-it-alive

With EL Kapitan being the majority stake holder of PAL Holdings this will effect those who bought stakes through the PSE which is understandable. Its mostly an opinon piece from stock broker and I'm not to familiar with the metric in the stock exchange.

Have they signed off on a new Manila airport? And has it broken ground?

Brianpr3 wrote:

Have they signed off on a new Manila airport? And has it broken ground?

They have. But we can more accurately say that they are just starting "building up" ground for the airport.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0LqiTE ... _g&index=8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYZfw0X ... _g&index=1

Devilfish wrote:

Brianpr3 wrote:

Have they signed off on a new Manila airport? And has it broken ground?

They have. But we can more accurately say that they are just starting "building up" ground for the airport.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0LqiTE ... _g&index=8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYZfw0X ... _g&index=1

Ahh thanks, mayor du30 wins again

More details about Cebu Pacific A330neo

https://www.aviationupdatesph.com/2021/ ... erior.html

JNC03 wrote:

More details about Cebu Pacific A330neo

https://www.aviationupdatesph.com/2021/ ... erior.html

There are things that I like and dislike about CEB upcoming buses But I will say for short flight of up to 3 hours I think its fine especially if you paid fairly cheap for the tickets (excluding: Meals, Entertainment and Baggage).

Will give my full opinion at a later date.

Winter Timetable has finally rolled over worldwide. As such, here are some selected highlights of the last-minute adjustments to PAL's Winter timetable from the 28/29 October revision, compared to the previously planned timetable in reply no. 370. Main highlight is PAL bringing forward increases to Australia service and adjustments to flight frequencies.

International

DXB-MNL to stop in CEB every Sunday (DXB dep) from 31 Oct to 28 Nov.
MNL-HNL v.v. operating 1x weekly until 16 Nov, instead of 2x planned. Gradual increase beginning on that date, 4x weekly by 19 Dec. 5th frequency from 5 March 2022.
MNL-YYZ v.v. still scheduled until 27 Jan 2022.
MNL-JFK v.v. still scheduled until 25 Mar 2022 (Manila dep)
MNL-ICN v.v. extended until 30 Dec 2021, 3x weekly.
MNL-SYD v.v. regular weekly service brought forward to 20 Nov, 2x weekly. Additional frequencies in December, moving to 3x weekly from 1 Jan 2022.
MNL-MEL v.v. regular weekly service brought forward to 18 Nov, 1x weekly. Additional frequencies in December.

Domestic
MNL-GES v.v. has A350 operating on 2 and 8 November, other dates have A330 listed
MNL-DGT v.v. adjusted to 5 weekly, 1x daily by 4 Dec
MNL-DVO v.v. has some timing adjustments, PR1819/1820 moved to 26 Dec resume date instead of 1 Dec
MNL-DPL v.v. adjusted to 4x weekly, 1x daily by 1 Dec
MNL-LGP v.v. 3rd daily flight moved to 1 Dec
MNL-TAG v.v. 9x weekly until 1 Dec, 2x daily after that date (was originally 2x daily from 30 October)

AB330 wrote:

With EL Kapitan being the majority stake holder of PAL Holdings this will effect those who bought stakes through the PSE which is understandable. Its mostly an opinon piece from stock broker and I'm not to familiar with the metric in the stock exchange.

This seemed to be the bone of contention.....

https://business.inquirer.net/333613/pa ... -directors

Quote:
"The board also approved an amendment to its articles of incorporation reducing the par value of its authorized capital stock from P1 to P0.001, effectively diluting the shares of its existing shareholders, and restoring the par value to P1 to accommodate the capital infusion from Tan which had been announced earlier."

Though I suppose many people may be happy with the below results.....

"and Gilbert Santa Maria as director, company president and COO. At the PAL stockholders’ meeting held last week, the board also approved the appointment of SGV & Co. as the airline’s external auditor for 2021-2022."


Seeing how relatively smooth the transitions were effected, would it be possible for PR to achieve its goal of trimming the fleet by retiring and replacing their old aircraft earlier with fewer but more efficient ones, given the Chapter 11 proceedings

Devilfish wrote:

Seeing how relatively smooth the transitions were effected, would it be possible for PR to achieve its goal of trimming the fleet by retiring and replacing their old aircraft earlier with fewer but more efficient ones, given the Chapter 11 proceedings

Most of the aircraft that is PAL returning to the lessors are mostly new aircraft at less a 3rd of the A321ceo most are 2016 frames (except those with GAP) , 5 A321neo, 4 A330, 3 A350, 5 B777 and 2 Q400.

But to be fair most of the older aircraft that PAL are keeping aren't that to old and probably have another decade of used before needing to be retired. Rebuilding the widebody fleet will probably be easier then the narrow-body types as there in demand for the rest of the decade.

AB330 wrote:

Most of the aircraft that is PAL returning to the lessors are mostly new aircraft at less a 3rd of the A321ceo most are 2016 frames (except those with GAP) , 5 A321neo, 4 A330, 3 A350, 5 B777 and 2 Q400.

Yes, these are obviously the ones lessors didn't want PR to re-lease at concessional (likely) rates despite El Kapitan pleading poverty (can't say that I blame them).

AB330 wrote:

But to be fair most of the older aircraft that PAL are keeping aren't that to old and probably have another decade of used before needing to be retired. Rebuilding the widebody fleet will probably be easier then the narrow-body types as there in demand for the rest of the decade.

Precisely. However, considering all the noises emanating from Airbus about production increase (two threads on the subject) the OEM needs a way for airlines to soak up all this projected capacity. An intriguing modus vivendi is for the airframer to 'facilitate' this process (if you catch my drift). The low-hanging fruits seem to be the undelivered balance of PR's narrowbody order...and the new-build widebodies now left in limbo by their previous customers due to hardships brought about by the pandemic. No doubt lessors would be up in arms against this scheme.


Meanwhile, PR just flew in a new shipment of COVID vaccines...hopefully, those would not be lost to a warehouse fire too!

http://philippineairspace.blogspot.com/ ... e-run.html


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FDMdhbtXoAM ... name=large


With the easing of travel restrictions, more flights to patrol the country's coasts would be required.....

http://philippineairspace.blogspot.com/ ... ravan.html

Quote:
"Another four frames are set to be ordered soon by DOTr. The new Caravan will be use for Search and Rescue roles, maritime patrols, air surveillance, ambulance, and utility transport.

The heavier Caravan EX variant was certified in December 2012, with a more powerful 867 hp (647 kW) Pratt and Whitney Canada PT6A-140 engine that improves the rate of climb by 38% and payload increase of 90 lb (41 kg). It also requires a longer take off run at 2,160 feet (660 m) and its landing roll is at 1,871 feet (570 m)."

Devilfish wrote:

With the easing of travel restrictions, more flights to patrol the country's coasts would be required.....

http://philippineairspace.blogspot.com/ ... ravan.html

Quote:
"Another four frames are set to be ordered soon by DOTr. The new Caravan will be use for Search and Rescue roles, maritime patrols, air surveillance, ambulance, and utility transport.

The heavier Caravan EX variant was certified in December 2012, with a more powerful 867 hp (647 kW) Pratt and Whitney Canada PT6A-140 engine that improves the rate of climb by 38% and payload increase of 90 lb (41 kg). It also requires a longer take off run at 2,160 feet (660 m) and its landing roll is at 1,871 feet (570 m)."

Speaking of the PCG there looking to acquire a replacement for the Islanders which they recently received funding to repair so they can returned to service! At the same time there looking to expand there Aviation Force Fix-wing assets through the acquisition of Twin-engine aircraft utility aircraft and example would be the Viking Air DHC-6 Series 400 Twin Otter which can land in water making it the ideal choice IMHO. So far only the Let L-410 Turbolet and Dornier 228NH are being considered though I expect the Twin Otter and probably the NC-212i by PT. Dirgantara to be evaluated soon.

Eventually the PCG should also consider getting more capable platforms like the CN-235-200 MSA for extended maritime patrol.
https://www.indonesian-aerospace.com/ai ... 35-220+msa

As for Helicopters the PCG should just make follow-up orders for the H-145 to replaced the Bo 105 that are no longer air worthy while also considering other types like the H365 Dauphin for ship-board used and the H225 for extended range SAR missions.

AB330 wrote:

At the same time there looking to expand there Aviation Force Fix-wing assets through the acquisition of Twin-engine aircraft utility aircraft and example would be the Viking Air DHC-6 Series 400 Twin Otter which can land in water making it the ideal choice IMHO. So far only the Let L-410 Turbolet and Dornier 228NH are being considered though I expect the Twin Otter and probably the NC-212i by PT. Dirgantara to be evaluated soon.

The L-410NG and Do-228NG are reasonable options for all-around utility functions while the NC-212i seemed to have gotten mixed reactions from the PAF. An outlier may be the basic version of the Skytruck, given its rear ramp and the Blackhawk deal with PZL-Mielec. New-builds might be available if their joint-venture with Sierra Nevada for a spec ops version prospers.


As I hinted at upthread, Cessna may have a foot in the door here with their SkyCourier when/if offered, owing to the recent Caravan sale (w/ 3 more to follow).....


https://cessna.txtav.com/-/media/cessna ... 46E6D14D2A

However, it is pricey at US 5.5 million per copy...and fitting floats on it will only jack up the price more!

AB330 wrote:

Eventually the PCG should also consider getting more capable platforms like the CN-235-200 MSA for extended maritime patrol.

We're out of bounds treading on MilAv here, but it's doubtful the PAF would let the Coasties get a more sophisticated fixed-wing platform ahead of them.....


http://www.navyrecognition.com/images/s ... 2015_3.JPG

For the time being, the air force could make do with PR's unsold Q300s for something a bit less complex than below, retrofitted for the role by IAI and Elbit perhaps -- seeing their recent dealings with the Israelis.

Devilfish wrote:

AB330 wrote:

Eventually the PCG should also consider getting more capable platforms like the CN-235-200 MSA for extended maritime patrol.

We're out of bounds treading on MilAv here, but it's doubtful the PAF would let the Coasties get a more sophisticated fixed-wing platform ahead of them.....


http://www.navyrecognition.com/images/s ... 2015_3.JPG

For the time being, the air force could make do with PR's unsold Q300s for something a bit less complex than below, retrofitted for the role by IAI and Elbit perhaps -- seeing their recent dealings with the Israelis.

The problem with depending on the Air Force is funding usually takes time LRPA it was supposed to be a Horizon 1 project (2013-2018), yet is delayed due failed biddings and being undecided wither to acquire Ex-USN P-3C Orion or new built C-295MPA which seems to be the aircraft the PAF is going for.

Being a Civilian agnecy the PCG funding can be made much quicker compared to the PAF and AFP as a whole. But on to the conversion of Ex-PALEx Dash 8-Q300 to a MPA I personally think its viable and can serve as a Stop-gap solution while the PAF LRPA is in the negotiation stage and delivery could take a couple of years after contract is awarded. While a conversion work could take just 18 months to 2 years to complete assuming the DOTR and Administration support this program.

Intresting states it seem long-haul to the PH will be busy this winter compared to 2020

https://mb.com.ph/2021/11/08/airline-ti ... e-57-in-q3

Also some intresting states

"The research also reveals that almost 50 percent of the travelers bound to the Philippines from the US depart from the airports in California and New York, while the least departures are from the District of Columbia and Alaska."

Curious how things will play out next year how once competition from other hubs HKG, ICN, NRT and China returned? And can PAL rebuild its long-haul fleet earlier then 2025

Guess will have to wait and see the next couple of years