Would that then leave 2 aircraft? Suppose JFK and LHR would be destinations for the pair.

What's up with PAL shedding A350s? I thought they were very happy with the aircraft.

ikolkyo wrote:

What's up with PAL shedding A350s? I thought they were very happy with the aircraft.

They are on verge of bankruptcy hence returning aircraft (both narrowbody and widebody) and selling off assets. They have sold off their pilot training academy. Moving forward they will have a smaller fleet of A321/A330/B77W and a pair of A350 (subject to final confirmation).

RoyalBrunei757 wrote:

ikolkyo wrote:

What's up with PAL shedding A350s? I thought they were very happy with the aircraft.

They are on verge of bankruptcy hence returning aircraft (both narrowbody and widebody) and selling off assets. They have sold off their pilot training academy. Moving forward they will have a smaller fleet of A321/A330/B77W and a pair of A350 (subject to final confirmation).

I didn't realize things were so bad over at PAL, damn. Hope they make it through this.

ikolkyo wrote:

RoyalBrunei757 wrote:

ikolkyo wrote:

What's up with PAL shedding A350s? I thought they were very happy with the aircraft.

They are on verge of bankruptcy hence returning aircraft (both narrowbody and widebody) and selling off assets. They have sold off their pilot training academy. Moving forward they will have a smaller fleet of A321/A330/B77W and a pair of A350 (subject to final confirmation).

I didn't realize things were so bad over at PAL, damn. Hope they make it through this.

Yes, with majority of their income comes from overseas foreign workers (OFW), cruise workers and tourists travelling in and out of the country. These people can no longer travel in and out freely without quarantine. The Philippines, as with many other countries, is badly hit by COVID-19. They have raised several bonds for past few months however things are still very tight at PR. They posted USD 1.51 billion loss for last year, increase of 7x of previous year, shed 2,700 jobs, offloading few more A321ceo and around 2-4 B77W, delay A321neo deliveries in coming months. I won't be surprised if they closed down or dowsize their subsidiary PAL Express. Hope for the best for them and overall airline/tourism industry.

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerosp ... 021-06-17/
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jonathanbu ... 4f314c2048

It may be that the A350 has no future at PR. If LHR and JFK are discontinued and if YYZ can be operated via YVR, the the long-thinner route aircraft is not really required.

RP-C3506 was ferried MNL-MUC. Why directly to Lufthansa as opposed to a lease return, unless a sublease or an outright purchase of the airframe by Lufthansa from Avolon?

So bad.it breaks my heart

Their doing the worst move,getting rid of their best aircraft instead of their ugly b777

RoyalBrunei757 wrote:

ikolkyo wrote:

RoyalBrunei757 wrote:

They are on verge of bankruptcy hence returning aircraft (both narrowbody and widebody) and selling off assets. They have sold off their pilot training academy. Moving forward they will have a smaller fleet of A321/A330/B77W and a pair of A350 (subject to final confirmation).

I didn't realize things were so bad over at PAL, damn. Hope they make it through this.

Yes, with majority of their income comes from overseas foreign workers (OFW), cruise workers and tourists travelling in and out of the country. These people can no longer travel in and out freely without quarantine. The Philippines, as with many other countries, is badly hit by COVID-19. They have raised several bonds for past few months however things are still very tight at PR. They posted USD 1.51 billion loss for last year, increase of 7x of previous year, shed 2,700 jobs, offloading few more A321ceo and around 2-4 B77W, delay A321neo deliveries in coming months. I won't be surprised if they closed down or dowsize their subsidiary PAL Express. Hope for the best for them and overall airline/tourism industry.

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerosp ... 021-06-17/
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jonathanbu ... 4f314c2048

I've heard PAL Express will not see a reduction for the Dash 8-Q400. Not sure if they will lose A320 or A321 if PAL decided to close down 2P will Mainline PAL absorb GAP DH8?

SleeplessInZh wrote:

Their doing the worst move,getting rid of their best aircraft instead of their ugly b777

Once the lease on 7777 & 7776 end there now PAL frame could be useful for high demand long-hul routes such as LAX though there cabin will need refurbishment as there really outdated.

But I doubt it will be priority with PAL in survival mode.

AB330 wrote:

I've heard PAL Express will not see a reduction for the Dash 8-Q400. Not sure if they will lose A320 or A321 if PAL decided to close down 2P will Mainline PAL absorb GAP DH8?

The Q400s are taking a lot more flying recently out of Manila. Interestingly, they're even flying routes usually plied by Mainline/PALex A320s and A321, such as Pagadian, Ozamis, Legaspi, Cebu, and Cagayan de Oro (which has returned to A321). If anything, I could see PALex taking more mainline Airbus flying as well, even on international sectors where they've inherited Airphil's entitlements.

Philippine747 wrote:

AB330 wrote:

I've heard PAL Express will not see a reduction for the Dash 8-Q400. Not sure if they will lose A320 or A321 if PAL decided to close down 2P will Mainline PAL absorb GAP DH8?

The Q400s are taking a lot more flying recently out of Manila. Interestingly, they're even flying routes usually plied by Mainline/PALex A320s and A321, such as Pagadian, Ozamis, Legaspi, Cebu, and Cagayan de Oro (which has returned to A321). If anything, I could see PALex taking more mainline Airbus flying as well, even on international sectors where they've inherited Airphil's entitlements.

Yeah GAP advantage it has a lower operating expense then PAL won't be surprised to see them take over some of PAL mainline domestic routes and possibly international leisure routes like DPS.

SleeplessInZh wrote:

Their doing the worst move,getting rid of their best aircraft instead of their ugly b777

From what I've heard the cabins from the newer 77W seats will be retrofitted to the older frames while some of them have received PIP which matches there performance to the newer 77Ws also not all will removed some will be keep.

At the end of the day, the cap on incoming passengers is hurting local airlines. PAL has a very small quota to work with. They can’t sustain an international network with departures alone. PAL will have to rely on domestic flights, and even that market has shrunk.

AB330 wrote:

Philippine747 wrote:

AB330 wrote:

I've heard PAL Express will not see a reduction for the Dash 8-Q400. Not sure if they will lose A320 or A321 if PAL decided to close down 2P will Mainline PAL absorb GAP DH8?

The Q400s are taking a lot more flying recently out of Manila. Interestingly, they're even flying routes usually plied by Mainline/PALex A320s and A321, such as Pagadian, Ozamis, Legaspi, Cebu, and Cagayan de Oro (which has returned to A321). If anything, I could see PALex taking more mainline Airbus flying as well, even on international sectors where they've inherited Airphil's entitlements.

Yeah GAP advantage it has a lower operating expense then PAL won't be surprised to see them take over some of PAL mainline domestic routes and possibly international leisure routes like DPS.

Honestly there will still be a lot of mainline flying to and from Cebu as aircraft would need to be positioned for international sectors. GenSan will still need mainline widebodies to cater to the large cargo market (unless they bring an A330 to the GAP AOC). For leisure routes, I think PALex can take over Korea and some Mainland China flying, unsure if they have Indonesia entitlements.

Philippine747 wrote:

AB330 wrote:

Philippine747 wrote:

The Q400s are taking a lot more flying recently out of Manila. Interestingly, they're even flying routes usually plied by Mainline/PALex A320s and A321, such as Pagadian, Ozamis, Legaspi, Cebu, and Cagayan de Oro (which has returned to A321). If anything, I could see PALex taking more mainline Airbus flying as well, even on international sectors where they've inherited Airphil's entitlements.

Yeah GAP advantage it has a lower operating expense then PAL won't be surprised to see them take over some of PAL mainline domestic routes and possibly international leisure routes like DPS.

Honestly there will still be a lot of mainline flying to and from Cebu as aircraft would need to be positioned for international sectors. GenSan will still need mainline widebodies to cater to the large cargo market (unless they bring an A330 to the GAP AOC). For leisure routes, I think PALex can take over Korea and some Mainland China flying, unsure if they have Indonesia entitlements.

Speaking of Gensan both PAL and GAP are operating flights with PR flying the morning flight using either the A330 or A350 and occasionally the B777 2P opearte an evening serivce using the A320 hoping that 2P will eventually re-start CEB and ILO again.

For international maybe GAP will also takeover some international flights out of CEB to China and South Korea as for Japan I think it will likely remain with mainline PAL.

AB330 wrote:

Philippine747 wrote:

AB330 wrote:

Yeah GAP advantage it has a lower operating expense then PAL won't be surprised to see them take over some of PAL mainline domestic routes and possibly international leisure routes like DPS.

Honestly there will still be a lot of mainline flying to and from Cebu as aircraft would need to be positioned for international sectors. GenSan will still need mainline widebodies to cater to the large cargo market (unless they bring an A330 to the GAP AOC). For leisure routes, I think PALex can take over Korea and some Mainland China flying, unsure if they have Indonesia entitlements.

Speaking of Gensan both PAL and GAP are operating flights with PR flying the morning flight using either the A330 or A350 and occasionally the B777 2P opearte an evening serivce using the A320 hoping that 2P will eventually re-start CEB and ILO again.

For international maybe GAP will also takeover some international flights out of CEB to China and South Korea as for Japan I think it will likely remain with mainline PAL.

CEB-GES-CEB is operating 1x weekly at the moment. There was a planned ILO resumption but that appears to have been removed.

aerotelegrpah reported that four Airbus A350 of PAL will leave the fleet for Lufthansa

https://www.aerotelegraph.com/lufthansa ... e-airlines

[quoteAB330 wrote:
I've heard PAL Express will not see a reduction for the Dash 8-Q400. Not sure if they will lose A320 or A321 if PAL decided to close down 2P will Mainline PAL absorb GAP DH8?][/quote]


What's the status of the PALX DHC8-300, are they flying or been sold off too?

JNC03 wrote:

aerotelegrpah reported that four Airbus A350 of PAL will leave the fleet for Lufthansa

https://www.aerotelegraph.com/lufthansa ... e-airlines

3503, 3504 and 3507 wil join LH fleet.

PAL long-hul fleet (Post 2021)
2 Airbus A350-900 (3501 and 3508)
6 Boeing 777-300ER (7772, 7773, 7776, 7777) Plus 2 more reg to be determind.

Total: 8

PAL long-hul fleet (2019)

6 Airbus A350-900
10 Boeing 777-300ER

Total: 16

PAL basically lost half of there long-hul fleet curious which destinations will survived I expect LAX, SFO, YVR and YYZ to remain while LHR will most likely be abandoned in order to sell slots to possibly B6 or VS. As for JFK the stop at YVR could be revived.

Spaceship wrote:

[quoteAB330 wrote:
I've heard PAL Express will not see a reduction for the Dash 8-Q400. Not sure if they will lose A320 or A321 if PAL decided to close down 2P will Mainline PAL absorb GAP DH8?]

What's the status of the PALX DHC8-300, are they flying or been sold off too?[/quote]

Quietly retired. Last I heard, Bombardier was listing them for sale.

AB330 wrote:

PAL basically lost half of there long-hul fleet curious which destinations will survived I expect LAX, SFO, YVR and YYZ to remain while LHR will most likely be abandoned in order to sell slots to possibly B6 or VS. As for JFK the stop at YVR could be revived.

LAX and SFO are PAL's bread and butter for the US Transpac network so some basic service will be maintained at the minimum. YVR will remain an important part of the Canada network, and PAL can use their 5th freedom entitlements for transborder operations.

ikolkyo wrote:

What's up with PAL shedding A350s? I thought they were very happy with the aircraft.

They were...it's the lease payments they're unhappy about.

HJM wrote:

Would that then leave 2 aircraft? Suppose JFK and LHR would be destinations for the pair.

It would be very hard to do both routes using just 2 planes unless they'd serve JFK and LHR with 3x weekly frequencies on alternate days only - with a day reserved for maintenance. That is, if PR doesn't cut those destinations first.

AB330 wrote:

I've heard PAL Express will not see a reduction for the Dash 8-Q400.

Good to know.

AB330 wrote:

From what I've heard the cabins from the newer 77W seats will be retrofitted to the older frames while some of them have received PIP which matches there performance to the newer 77Ws

Nice improvement...will it also include the IFE systems?

Bobby27ph wrote:

Few airlines bought A330-800, because...
[.....]
787-8 vs A330-800 = 787-8 is more efficient

Nice try.....okay, I'll bite. Airbus would drastically cut the price of the A338 to offset perceived inefficiencies when Boeing finally launch their NMA, to achieve wider market traction.

AB330 wrote:

PAL long-hul fleet (Post 2021)
2 Airbus A350-900 (3501 and 3508)

I find it curious that PR is keeping its first and last A359s...does it mean its lessors are the most amenable to their proposed lease terms adjustments


In the meantime, it seems preparations for CRK T2's inauguration are proceeding well...from SkyscraperCity.....

posted by: @Sisigboy

https://www.skyscrapercity.com/cdn-cgi/ ... g.1772443/

They now have a podium (info counter) ready for the inaugural service. Are those dark gray cubes in the background AHUs, elevators or something else entirely Interesting camo pattern for the domestic wing floor.


https://www.skyscrapercity.com/cdn-cgi/ ... g.1772556/


Now, to return to my question earlier..."Would the airport now revert to its former name with a new code (DPM)...and could the new access highway from SCTex in Bamban be named after the recently departed former President?"

CRK T2 has taken on a distinctly contemporary, albeit somber look...perhaps owing to the pandemic? From SkyscraperCity.....

posted by: @Sisigboy

https://www.skyscrapercity.com/cdn-cgi/ ... g.1779842/

The guy standing on that plastic chair ought to be careful next time though, as those are prone to breaking.....



https://www.skyscrapercity.com/cdn-cgi/ ... g.1779844/

The mix and interplay of colors and materials are decidedly bold, although the restroom photo above couldn't make me help but think of a freezer container van. There might be some warm spots in the cavernous check-in hall though due to the distance from the SARs over the counters, but it was explained that the facility was aiming for a LEED certification.....

source: 07/16/2021 - @Ryan Galura ----- posted by: @ajosh821

https://www.skyscrapercity.com/cdn-cgi/ ... g.1778030/



https://www.skyscrapercity.com/cdn-cgi/ ... g.1778034/

Anyway, it's more than made up for with the view of the terminal apron.....here with 5J's A320 checking out fit and functionality.....

source: @jamjam040693 ----- posted by: @J.Lloyd21

https://www.skyscrapercity.com/cdn-cgi/ ... g.1778725/



Speaking of 5J, the carrier is now officially an Indigo "partner".....

http://philippineairspace.blogspot.com/ ... ol-of.html

From SkyscraperCity...a look at the newly installed equipment in CRK T2.....

posted by: @isa saca

https://scontent.fmnl25-1.fna.fbcdn.net ... e=60F73CF3



https://www.skyscrapercity.com/cdn-cgi/ ... g.1774533/



Announcement of revised PR terminal assignments at NAIA beginning 7/25 due to rehab work in T1.....

https://www.philippineairlines.com/Abou ... 5jul21-192

Though most people are curious to know more about the status of PR's negotiations with their creditors and lessors, and their planned restructuring instead.....

Bobby27ph wrote:

Best feature, airport express (railway)!

Hopefully, it would be completed soon enough! To more easily visualize the scope, locations and alignments of the different components of the project.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdnNHazHDs4

Bobby27ph wrote:

Minus the tambay - bored Metro Manila residents... lingering around the airport.

You may be speaking too hastily. Given that LIPAD said the facilities would be open to the public, it could be a favorite hang-out place for our kabalens and kailyans wanting to escape the stifling heat and avoid the madding crowds! I predict it to be the next most Instagrammable and Tweeted place when completed.



Going back to NAIA T1's rehab work mentioned above, I wonder if that would lead to the eventual transfer of all PAL ops to Terminal 1 -- leaving T2 to the smaller domestic carriers

Budji has a new showroom for his art furniture...complementary designs.....

source: @BUDJI+ROYAL FB ----- posted by: @johnrob15

https://www.skyscrapercity.com/cdn-cgi/ ... g.1785968/

PAL flew ~2,300nm to repatriate OFWs from Dhaka.....



http://philippineairspace.blogspot.com/ ... 21neo.html

Quote:
"Flag carrier Philippine Airlines (PAL) has flown 2300nmi to fly 138 repatriated overseas foreign workers (OFWs) home from Dhaka to Davao City where they undergo quarantine last Thursday July 17. PAL Airbus A321Neo aircraft is capable of reaching major cities in India and Australia from Manila. This is the second time PAL flew repatriation flight to the Bangladesh capital, the first one having been made last year on July 27 transporting 160 passengers for a return flight to Manila."

http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=MNL-DAC-DVO&MS=wls&DU=nm



Over at SkyscraperCity, they're discussing food options in CRK T2 and naturally, 'SISIG' came up. What could be better than this combination before or after your flight.....


https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0472/ ... 1610812029

However, a concession in T2 would drive the price up so much compared to simply buying at Dau or the soon to open joint in Capas...anyone for Camaru (not the car) Might CABALEN set up shop in the Airport Village?

From SkyscraperCity --- here's a haul of photos "highlighting" the lighting scheme in CRK T2.....

source: @Light Plan, Inc. - 07/23/2021 ----- posted by: @ajosh821


https://www.skyscrapercity.com/cdn-cgi/ ... g.1818179/



https://www.skyscrapercity.com/cdn-cgi/ ... g.1818180/



https://www.skyscrapercity.com/cdn-cgi/ ... g.1818181/



https://www.skyscrapercity.com/cdn-cgi/ ... g.1818182/

As to "greening" the landside of the terminal -- I guess 'extensive' efforts for it would be held in abeyance until all major civil works, particularly the NSCR Station, ATC Tower and the "twin pavilions" (latter still pushing through?) are completed.



And while the quake's epicenter was quite far from it, how's the new Sacobia Bridge faring with the flooding being experienced in the wake of 'Fabian'


https://www.goodnewspilipinas.com/wp-co ... Bridge.jpg

"An esteemed and longtime member of the flag carrier’s board of directors tendered his resignation on Friday after encountering a major roadblock related to one of the company’s crucial plans toward recovery."

https://www.philstar.com/business/2021/ ... e-airlines

JNC03 wrote:

"An esteemed and longtime member of the flag carrier’s board of directors tendered his resignation on Friday after encountering a major roadblock related to one of the company’s crucial plans toward recovery."

https://www.philstar.com/business/2021/ ... e-airlines

Sounds like either Micheal Tan or Vivienne Tan are back in the board. PR has the same legacy issues with its peers GA/MH/TG, be it government owned or public owned. COVID-19 just exacerbated the situation.

RoyalBrunei757 wrote:

Sounds like either Micheal Tan or Vivienne Tan are back in the board.

It is the same columnist who wrote about a "shadowy figure" in PR's Board of Directors a year ago to the day.....

https://www.philstar.com/business/2020/ ... -continues

The Board accepted the resignation of Mr. Gregorio T. Yu as Independent Director of PAL Holdings, Inc. and Philippine Airlines, Inc.

Planespotters.net indicated that RP-C3507 and RP-C3503 is now withdrawn from use and will be deployed to Lufthansa in the following months

JNC03 wrote:

The Board accepted the resignation of Mr. Gregorio T. Yu as Independent Director of PAL Holdings, Inc. and Philippine Airlines, Inc.

As reported by Philstar.....

https://www.philstar.com/business/2021/ ... or-resigns

Hopefully, this would pave the way for a successful implementation of PR's restructuring program.



BIA is nearing start of operations with the ongoing calibration of its NAVAIDs systems.....

http://philippineairspace.blogspot.com/ ... light.html

Couldn't identify the livery or registration of the calibration aircraft?

From SkyscraperCity -- nice evening shot of CRK T2.....

source: Clark Development Corporation | FB ----- posted by: @ajosh821

https://www.skyscrapercity.com/cdn-cgi/ ... g.1841104/


The jury is still out on the tagline.....

It seems critics dissing BIA for looking like a "palengke" may be in for a shocking surprise.....

https://www.philstar.com/pilipino-star- ... tubre-dotr

posted by: @snpklsdmbldr on SkyscraperCity.....

https://scontent.fmnl17-1.fna.fbcdn.net ... e=612A6C95



https://scontent.fmnl17-2.fna.fbcdn.net ... e=612C30C0

These images above are not the surprise - but something else on DOTr's FB page.


Speaking of which, Bluebird's rego number appears inherited by the jet flying the DOTr secretary into BIA. Did DU30 use the G280 when he inspected CRK the other week?

My bad...Bluebird's registration was RP-1250. Looks like this was the aircraft involved in a runway excursion a few years ago and sports RP-8150 as its reg number.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYXU9h2OuE0



Meanwhile, there seems to be no end in sight to the internal turbulence at PAL.....

https://mb.com.ph/2021/07/30/turbulence-pal/

PAL commemorates the 75th year of its first Pacific crossing...a precursor to the "Island Hopper" service to and from Manila.....

http://philippineairspace.blogspot.com/ ... ssing.html

Quote:
"On July 31, 1946, Philippine Airlines became Asia's first airline to cross the Pacific Ocean. The pioneer DC-4 flight carried 40 American servicemen from Manila to Oakland, California, via Guam, Wake, Kwajalein and Honolulu."



https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... 487%29.jpg


Wishing PR vastly improved fortunes on this their 80th Year - to continue crossing the oceans and giving Filipinos the caring service they had grown to love.

sassiciai wrote:

In August 2018, a Xiamen 737-800 was effectively written off after a hard landing at NAIA. I travelled through NAIA a few times since then, last time was 14 January 2020, In all these times, the hull of the aircraft was still dumped near the runway intersection, covered in tarpaulin. I have numerous photos, but I have not been able in 10 years to upload any photo on this site, so I no longer bother

Today, 18 months on from the incident, has this situation been resolved, or is this wreck still there? In this latter case, what's going on?

Aircraft was moved in late 2019-early 2020 to an area near Terminal 3/DHL facility and was identical in state to when it was parked at the Balagbag ramp (where it was initially moved to). As of March 2020, it was highly visible from NAIAx.

Philippine747 wrote:

sassiciai wrote:

In August 2018, a Xiamen 737-800 was effectively written off after a hard landing at NAIA. I travelled through NAIA a few times since then, last time was 14 January 2020, In all these times, the hull of the aircraft was still dumped near the runway intersection, covered in tarpaulin. I have numerous photos, but I have not been able in 10 years to upload any photo on this site, so I no longer bother

Today, 18 months on from the incident, has this situation been resolved, or is this wreck still there? In this latter case, what's going on?

Aircraft was moved in late 2019-early 2020 to an area near Terminal 3/DHL facility and was identical in state to when it was parked at the Balagbag ramp (where it was initially moved to). As of March 2020, it was highly visible from NAIAx.

Is the Airport Authority charging rent to Xiamen for the space?