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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2021

Sat Sep 04, 2021 2:59 pm

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As PR enters Chapter 11, this is where the network stands as scheduled on the 1 September edition of the timetable. Selected highlights explained in detail.

I think LHR is worth highlighting.....

Manila-London (Heathrow)-Manila

• September 7 and 21


DarQuiet wrote:
Not sure who is excited but the question is why even bother copy the logo of an LCC :rotfl:

I suppose it's these people.....
DarQuiet wrote:
This 2010 photo is making headlines in some social media sites

Well, they're not exactly famous for originality. :wink2:

(O.T.: What could be very concerning is if they have successfully built many carrier-borne, attack variants of it. :spin:)

https://newsinfo.inquirer.net/1483295/p ... n-aircraft



Following below is a YouTube video update of works progress for the CRK underground railway connection..... :goodvibes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZ2Ty18TuBA

A few still photos were posted by @mnemonick on SkyscraperCity.
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2021

Sun Sep 05, 2021 4:28 am

Devilfish wrote:
Philippine747 wrote:
As PR enters Chapter 11, this is where the network stands as scheduled on the 1 September edition of the timetable. Selected highlights explained in detail.

I think LHR is worth highlighting.....

Manila-London (Heathrow)-Manila

• September 7 and 21


Thanks, for some reason I didn't add this important route! My bad...
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2021

Sun Sep 05, 2021 3:37 pm

Hope PAL can do what SIA did previously...

Mainline to operate premium / profitable routes
PAL Express to operate domestic and non-premium shorthaul routes

Eg Finnair, Qantas / Jetstar Australia, Emirates / fly Dubai
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Sep 06, 2021 1:29 am

Inasmuch as PR's Chapter 11 filing was largely its President/COO's handiwork, we can say it's the airline's Hail Mary shot. Thus, it's fitting and proper to acknowledge that here.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ereA9ljqE-g&t=33s

Others may dismiss the above as "rationalizing" -- especially those severely impacted in the process. But faced with such impossible odds, it's a daunting task however one may view it. Good on them to explain the path they had taken. The management team deserves all the praise and gratitude it gets (even if begrudgingly given).
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2021

Thu Sep 09, 2021 12:25 am

From SkyscraperCity...a photo of the ceiling treatment for the yet to be finished CRK T2 Arrival Area..... :camera:

source: @Jam Regala
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posted by: @Sisigboy

Looks quite different from the rendering released previously. :wideeyed:



Meanwhile, 5J passed the operational safety audit it recently went through.....

https://www.philstar.com/business/2021/ ... fety-audit

.....as another auditor signed off on their financials.....

https://www.philstar.com/business/stock ... tinues-ceb
 
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Thu Sep 09, 2021 1:37 am

Not sure if tis has been covered, 5J took several A321-211ceo out of storage recently.
Airbus A321 -211 8190 RP-C4111 Cebu Pacific Air Ferried 31 August 2021 ASP-CRK afte storage (+ 8245 RP-C4112, + 8254 RP-C4113, + 8269 RP-C4114, + 8281 RP-C4115 ASP-MNL)) ex D-AVZQ
Source: https://www.skyliner-aviation.de/regdb. ... av4&page=2
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2021

Thu Sep 09, 2021 2:38 am

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Meanwhile, 5J passed the operational safety audit it recently went through.....

https://www.philstar.com/business/2021/ ... fety-audit

.....as another auditor signed off on their financials.....

https://www.philstar.com/business/stock ... tinues-ceb


Not surprised with the frustration by the Investors at the PSE probably due to an NDA between PAL and its Creditors.
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2021

Thu Sep 09, 2021 1:54 pm

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Not sure if tis has been covered, 5J took several A321-211ceo out of storage recently.
Airbus A321 -211 8190 RP-C4111 Cebu Pacific Air Ferried 31 August 2021 ASP-CRK afte storage (+ 8245 RP-C4112, + 8254 RP-C4113, + 8269 RP-C4114, + 8281 RP-C4115 ASP-MNL)) ex D-AVZQ
Source: https://www.skyliner-aviation.de/regdb. ... av4&page=2


Will be intresting to see what will happend to CEB A321ceo I think there more efficent used on domestic flights compared to the A321neo which are better utilized on international flights or domestic flights more then 2 hours. However for now efficency is less important right now then utilization.
 
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Thu Sep 09, 2021 5:58 pm

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Will be intresting to see what will happend to CEB A321ceo I think there more efficent used on domestic flights compared to the A321neo which are better utilized on international flights or domestic flights more then 2 hours.

I'm trying to think if a nonstop flight between LAO and GES would take more than 2 hours if there was enough demand on the route which could fill an A321ceo..... :scratchchin:

http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=LAO-GES


AB330 wrote:
Not surprised with the frustration by the Investors at the PSE probably due to an NDA between PAL and its Creditors.

Don't look now...but something may be a-brewing..... :stirthepot:

http://philippineairspace.blogspot.com/ ... t-pal.html

Quote:
"Finance Secretary Carlos Dominguez III said they are waiting for the outcome of Chapter 11 filing in New York before deciding whether to use taxpayers money to help the loss-making national carrier raise funds for its post-restructuring needs. As to what these conditions were, Dominguez said major shareholders must infuse additional 'adequate' capital to the company while current creditors should also step in to 'relieve' financial troubles. Lastly, local banks should pitch in for financing.

But the finance chief said PAL 'took a different path' when it filed for bankruptcy. 'So I told them, the conditions I’ve set before are still on the table, but if you will file for bankruptcy, we will have to wait for the results of the bankruptcy proceedings,' Dominguez said. 'Bankruptcy courts do not necessarily follow what we want,' he adds. Nilo Thaddeus Rodriguez, company Chief Financial Officer, said PAL gladly followed the DOF advice by raising additional equity from shareholders, negotiated with aircraft lessors, and with local banks pitching in to raise the $505 million recovery fund.

The Finance Chief, who was a former PAL president himself, said the government would participate in any fundraising activities of the airline only if all goes well with its corporate restructuring. Dominguez said this was made to make sure that PAL can pay whatever amount that state-run banks will lend to the company. 'I do not want Land Bank and DBP to go in and finance a company that is filing for bankruptcy and we don’t know how it will turn out,' Dominguez said."



Let's wait and see how the Wheel of Fortune turns. :spin:
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2021

Fri Sep 10, 2021 1:37 am

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AB330 wrote:
AB330 wrote:
Not surprised with the frustration by the Investors at the PSE probably due to an NDA between PAL and its Creditors.

Don't look now...but something may be a-brewing..... :stirthepot:

http://philippineairspace.blogspot.com/ ... t-pal.html

Quote:
"Finance Secretary Carlos Dominguez III said they are waiting for the outcome of Chapter 11 filing in New York before deciding whether to use taxpayers money to help the loss-making national carrier raise funds for its post-restructuring needs. As to what these conditions were, Dominguez said major shareholders must infuse additional 'adequate' capital to the company while current creditors should also step in to 'relieve' financial troubles. Lastly, local banks should pitch in for financing.

But the finance chief said PAL 'took a different path' when it filed for bankruptcy. 'So I told them, the conditions I’ve set before are still on the table, but if you will file for bankruptcy, we will have to wait for the results of the bankruptcy proceedings,' Dominguez said. 'Bankruptcy courts do not necessarily follow what we want,' he adds. Nilo Thaddeus Rodriguez, company Chief Financial Officer, said PAL gladly followed the DOF advice by raising additional equity from shareholders, negotiated with aircraft lessors, and with local banks pitching in to raise the $505 million recovery fund.

The Finance Chief, who was a former PAL president himself, said the government would participate in any fundraising activities of the airline only if all goes well with its corporate restructuring. Dominguez said this was made to make sure that PAL can pay whatever amount that state-run banks will lend to the company. 'I do not want Land Bank and DBP to go in and finance a company that is filing for bankruptcy and we don’t know how it will turn out,' Dominguez said."



Let's wait and see how the Wheel of Fortune turns. :spin:


For once the Goverment is being competent both PAL and CEB hve received indirect state subsidy through airport/terminal/navigation fee waivers, while more direct subsidy through repatriation flights, and vaccine transport. I think its best to take wait and see approach. Also moving forward a number of future airport projects are on hold now especially for Dumagete and Zambonga which where planned to have new airports and are now unlikely start until the middle or late 2020's thanks to the Pandemic.
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2021

Fri Sep 10, 2021 4:30 pm

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I think its best to take wait and see approach.

Well, PR can heave a sigh of relief for now..... :relieved:

https://www.philstar.com/business/2021/ ... -financing

Quote:
"In a statement on Friday, the loss-making national carrier, which filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy in New York last September 3, said it got an approval from the US court to tap the first $20 million of a debt and equity funding totaling $505 million. The clearance was granted by Judge Shelley Chapman of the US Bankruptcy Court in New York, documents showed.

At the same time, PAL said it received authorization from the US court to honor and maintain all customer programs, including valid tickets and travel vouchers, during the restructuring. The judge likewise allowed the airline to pay ongoing suppliers and trade creditors “in the ordinary course” for goods and services, as well as keep its employees paid throughout the Chapter 11 process.

PAL officials also said European planemaker Airbus agreed to either postpone deliveries of new aircraft or cancel some of the company’s orders in the next five years."



https://business.inquirer.net/330414/pa ... it-in-2022

Quote:
"The filing showed that Tan’s privately held Buona Sorte Holding Inc., the airline’s largest unsecured creditor, had agreed to waive the recovery of funding advances worth as much as $358 million under the restructuring plan.

PAL also revealed further details of its flight network buildup, which was dependent on COVID-19 restrictions. It cited the likely exit from unprofitable markets such as the US East Coast (New York) and London Heathrow."



So...I guess these are the most telling aspects of PR's Chapter 11 filing.....

Quote:
"PAL intends to return contracted widebody planes and remove $2.1 billion in debts together with a new business plan that would enable the embattled national carrier to book an operating income of $220 million next year and $364 million in 2023, according to PAL chief financial officer Nilo Thaddeus Rodriguez said.

'By 2022, PAL expects to exit its recovery phase as operating activities generate more consistent positive monthly cash flow,' added Rodriguez.

Its new business plan includes more flights to China, and South Asia, boost in US West Coast flights, and possible exit from unprofitable markets of New York, Toronto, and London Heathrow."


http://philippineairspace.blogspot.com/ ... court.html


https://businessmirror.com.ph/2021/09/10/pal-clears-1st-hurdle-in-rehab-plan-as-us-court-oks-all-1st-day-motions/
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Sep 13, 2021 8:39 pm

From SkyscraperCity -- metal-furred and clad portions of CRK T2's Arrival Area..... :camera:

source: @Jam Regala ----- photos posted by: @Sisigboy

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Postponing CRK T2's opening to December 2021 looks to be a wise and prudent move. :thumbsup:



From PAL's website...an update on their LAX gate assignment to MSC :point:

https://www.philippineairlines.com/Abou ... 8sep21-208



Meanwhile, on the airline front.....

https://business.inquirer.net/330573/wi ... ect-p-570m

https://business.inquirer.net/330657/ce ... r-canceled
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2021

Wed Sep 15, 2021 5:25 am

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"PAL intends to return contracted widebody planes and remove $2.1 billion in debts together with a new business plan that would enable the embattled national carrier to book an operating income of $220 million next year and $364 million in 2023, according to PAL chief financial officer Nilo Thaddeus Rodriguez said.

'By 2022, PAL expects to exit its recovery phase as operating activities generate more consistent positive monthly cash flow,' added Rodriguez.

Its new business plan includes more flights to China, and South Asia, boost in US West Coast flights, and possible exit from unprofitable markets of New York, Toronto, and London Heathrow."


http://philippineairspace.blogspot.com/ ... court.html


https://businessmirror.com.ph/2021/09/10/pal-clears-1st-hurdle-in-rehab-plan-as-us-court-oks-all-1st-day-motions/


So PAL business plan onwards for Long-hul greater focus on the US West Cost so could possibly see SEA being introduced or long-haul flights to exsisting destination such as CEB-LAX though I don't see it happen until demand returns to 2019 levels. Surprised YYZ being terminated it is one of there high demand routes. But I suspect yield must be low to justify direct flights. Surprised no mention of Australia and New Zealand in there Business Plan as I expect growth for flights there in a post-pandemic enviorment.
 
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Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:39 pm

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So PAL business plan onwards for Long-hul greater focus on the US West Cost so could possibly see SEA being introduced or long-haul flights to exsisting destination such as CEB-LAX though I don't see it happen until demand returns to 2019 levels. Surprised YYZ being terminated it is one of there high demand routes. But I suspect yield must be low to justify direct flights.

I don't expect SEA to be introduced until well after pandemic recovery, if ever...also, there's the question of the aircraft to be used. One of the remaining A359s may have the right capacity for CEB-LAX but may still be more plane than needed for SEA. This leaves the unloved A338 as the only other affordable new option for the route - with a potential YYZ tag-on. As PR's president declared they were keen on TLV (waypoint after nonstop LHR is dropped?) that's already a couple of possible deployments for it..... :biggrin:

http://philippineairspace.blogspot.com/ ... -rest.html

Quote:
"The airline said it has already negotiated with Airbus for the postponement of the delivery of 13 A321neo narrow-body Airbus aircraft set for delivery in 2021 to 2024 and deferred to 2026 to 2030, with an option to cancel six or seven of the previous orders beyond 2026 to 2030, said Nilo Thaddeus Rodriguez, the company's chief financial officer. The airline also postponed negotiations for six A350-1000 to at least 2030.

Santa Maria said the airline is still keen on mounting nonstop flights to and from Tel Aviv in Israel.

'[We will] pursue business with Israel when restrictions are lifted,' he said."



I imagine Airbus and RR leaning hard on PR during these negotiations, offering a good bargain and pressing them to take the cancelled A338 slots (if it's not canned by that time). Longer term, they might revisit the A350K when the remaining 77Ws come off lease as PR needs to maintain efficient TPAC capacity. :stirthepot:


AB330 wrote:
Surprised no mention of Australia and New Zealand in there Business Plan as I expect growth for flights there in a post-pandemic enviorment.

I'm guessing they would maintain the status quo, with narrowbodies substituting for the withdrawn widebodies as the need arises - or adjusting frequencies to match traffic demand.
 
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Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:03 am

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Surprised no mention of Australia and New Zealand in there Business Plan as I expect growth for flights there in a post-pandemic enviorment.


My guess is that all destinations of Australia and New Zealand will be retained, but might need to re-introduce triangular Australian flights and the possibility of a fifth-freedom MNL-BNE-AKL flight.
 
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Thu Sep 16, 2021 7:17 am

Think you might be surprised how quickly Aust/NZ bounce back - these markets are very VFR based with Filipino permanent residents rather than labour traffic and once borders reopen in early 2022 , the pent up demand will start to travel very quickly.
 
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Thu Sep 16, 2021 2:19 pm

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I don't expect SEA to be introduced until well after pandemic recovery, if ever...also, there's the question of the aircraft to be used. One of the remaining A359s may have the right capacity for CEB-LAX but may still be more plane than needed for SEA. This leaves the unloved A338 as the only other affordable new option for the route - with a potential YYZ tag-on. As PR's president declared they were keen on TLV (waypoint after nonstop LHR is dropped?) that's already a couple of possible deployments for it..... :biggrin:

http://philippineairspace.blogspot.com/ ... -rest.html

Quote:
"The airline said it has already negotiated with Airbus for the postponement of the delivery of 13 A321neo narrow-body Airbus aircraft set for delivery in 2021 to 2024 and deferred to 2026 to 2030, with an option to cancel six or seven of the previous orders beyond 2026 to 2030, said Nilo Thaddeus Rodriguez, the company's chief financial officer. The airline also postponed negotiations for six A350-1000 to at least 2030.

Santa Maria said the airline is still keen on mounting nonstop flights to and from Tel Aviv in Israel.

'[We will] pursue business with Israel when restrictions are lifted,' he said."



I imagine Airbus and RR leaning hard on PR during these negotiations, offering a good bargain and pressing them to take the cancelled A338 slots (if it's not canned by that time). Longer term, they might revisit the A350K when the remaining 77Ws come off lease as PR needs to maintain efficient TPAC capacity. :stirthepot:

AB330 wrote:
Surprised no mention of Australia and New Zealand in there Business Plan as I expect growth for flights there in a post-pandemic enviorment.

I'm guessing they would maintain the status quo, with narrowbodies substituting for the withdrawn widebodies as the need arises - or adjusting frequencies to match traffic demand.


PAL is more likely to order either the A321LR or A321XLR then the A338. Though by the mid-2020 the A330 fleet will be reduced by that point though I do think they will be keep in high volume cargo routes during peak season while the A21N could take over during lean travel season.

PAL is taking there time when it comes to the A330-300 Replacement probably by the 2031-2034 timeframe.
 
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Thu Sep 16, 2021 2:56 pm

A new U.K. regulation taking effect on 30 Oct 2021 may give PAL a crucial reprieve to keep its valuable LHR slots until 2024. However, the waiver is not applicable to airlines ceasing operations to and from London..... :thumbsup:

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http://philippineairspace.blogspot.com/ ... throw.html



From CIA FB page...an update on CRK T2's ORAT.....

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https://scontent-sjc3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/ ... e=6147AFD2


Nice ground eye view of a landside portion of CRK T2 from SkyscraperCity..... :camera:

photo source: @Noel Pura Ganace
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AB330 wrote:
PAL is more likely to order either the A321LR or A321XLR then the A338.

I only brought up the A338 in response to your SEA comment, and the TLV potential. The A321Ns PR is deferring are practically LR planes. When the UK ruling takes effect, PR might reconsider LHR and just decide to keep the A359 flying there (hopefully, demand would increase such that those will no longer be referred to as "ghost flights"..... :ghost:
 
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Fri Sep 17, 2021 1:28 pm

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AB330 wrote:
PAL is more likely to order either the A321LR or A321XLR then the A338.

I only brought up the A338 in response to your SEA comment, and the TLV potential. The A321Ns PR is deferring are practically LR planes. When the UK ruling takes effect, PR might reconsider LHR and just decide to keep the A359 flying there (hopefully, demand would increase such that those will no longer be referred to as "ghost flights"..... :ghost:


Oh ok! Apologized my reply came out rude I seldom active in the forums these days and been mostly hearing negative news when it comes to both the airline industry or aviation with some good news :embarrassed2: Regardless I'm still hopeful that PAL, CEB and PPA will survived this crisis despite the uncertainty when will recovery start in both domestic and international travel :pray:
 
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Sat Sep 18, 2021 4:27 am

Finally some behind the scene info on why PAL filing for Chapter 11 was delayed also revealed which Bank back off last minute.
https://mb.com.ph/2021/09/17/in-realm-of-possibility/
 
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Sun Sep 19, 2021 8:21 pm

No apologies needed. :smile:

AB330 wrote:
Finally some behind the scene info on why PAL filing for Chapter 11 was delayed also revealed which Bank back off last minute.

Well, it probably didn't share the airline's positivity. Both these articles seem to echo the sentiment...while being guardedly optimistic..... :optimist:

https://opinion.inquirer.net/144336/for ... iquidation

https://www.philstar.com/business/2021/ ... bankruptcy

Quote:
"'Gaining agreement from its creditors and presumably a smooth passage through bankruptcy court will be major steps for PAL. But it is far from out of the woods yet, and it still has some tough months ahead of it before any meaningful recovery takes hold,' CAPA said.

'But there is no question that a streamlined PAL will be better placed to respond to what could be a protracted recovery in international markets. It will also have options to expand its widebody fleet again and perhaps resume some of its cancelled routes when demand does eventually come back,' it said."



https://www.philstar.com/business/2021/ ... s-recovery

"Aviation think tank CAPA-Center for Aviation last year said that while much is made of the disastrous impact of the COVID-19 outbreak on the airline sector, the airports have been suffering as well.

But amid the challenges, the Department of Transportation and the MIAA inaugurated and commissioned the repair and overlay of the airport’s Runway 13/31 last February as part of the government’s rehabilitation plan.

Completed in the repair and overlay of Runway 13/31 were the interconnecting taxiways, as well as the 13/31 extension, which also includes the repair of deteriorated asphalt pavement areas, asphalt overlaying works, painting of pavement markers and guidelines, and other related works for aircraft safe landing and take-off, among others."




Meanwhile, preparation work for MCRP Part II continues..... :thumbsup:

https://newsinfo.inquirer.net/1489858/j ... y-progress

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITSqIL5OfSs&t=30s
 
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Mon Sep 20, 2021 5:37 pm

Are PAL's middle-aged and geriatric planes and engines worth way much more than parting prices to be acceptable as loan collateral? :twocents:

https://business.inquirer.net/330969/ma ... -financing

Quote:
"Based on the loan term sheet submitted by PAL’s lawyers to the Chapter 11 court, the DIP facility would be secured by eight 'midlife' Airbus A320-200s and seven 'mid-to-end of life' DHC 8-300/400 aircraft and their engines.

The loans would also be secured by five engines, including those manufactured by US-based GE Aviation and British multinational Rolls Royce Holdings used in PAL’s fleet of wide-body planes."



El Kapitan is throwing in Mabuhay Miles to sweeten the offer. IMO, they might get a better deal flogging the Dash 8-300s to the PAF for MPA conversions. :old:
 
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Mon Sep 20, 2021 11:02 pm

“IMO, they might get a better deal flogging the Dash 8-300s to the PAF for MPA conversions”

Not a bad idea at all! An X Deal perhaps?

Turbo props for nav & landing fees can work
 
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Tue Sep 21, 2021 5:49 am

Devilfish wrote:
Are PAL's middle-aged and geriatric planes and engines worth way much more than parting prices to be acceptable as loan collateral? :twocents:

https://business.inquirer.net/330969/ma ... -financing

Quote:
"Based on the loan term sheet submitted by PAL’s lawyers to the Chapter 11 court, the DIP facility would be secured by eight 'midlife' Airbus A320-200s and seven 'mid-to-end of life' DHC 8-300/400 aircraft and their engines.

The loans would also be secured by five engines, including those manufactured by US-based GE Aviation and British multinational Rolls Royce Holdings used in PAL’s fleet of wide-body planes."



El Kapitan is throwing in Mabuhay Miles to sweeten the offer. IMO, they might get a better deal flogging the Dash 8-300s to the PAF for MPA conversions. :old:


I wonder if these are the original A320-200 8604 to 8615 which where deliveried between 2007-2008. I could see them being possibly taken by oppurtunistic lessors or a start up airlines in the US or Europe. As for replacement they could just removed the A320 type from the fleet although I think GAP will need a mid-sized narrow-boby aircraft for some domestic routes could this be a sign that PAL has planned a replacment for the A320ceo? they just canabilized there order for A321neo? I don't think GAP needs that many A320neo maybe just 6-7 I think would be suffcient number as an example Cebu Pacifc has 5 A320neo in there fleet with another 5 on order from Airbus for a total of 10 A320neo to replaced the A320ceo while the rest will be replaced by the larger A321. With GE also mentioned I wonder if it will influance engine choice or any future aircraft type in the future?

As the Dash 8-Q300 the Philippine Goverment could take them as form of Collateral and give them to either the PAF, PN or PCG. Converting the DH8 into Maritime Surveillance Aircraft (MSA) for used to Patrol the EEZ would be benefical considering the limited air assets of the PAF and PCG. The biggest hurdel is weither the goverment has intrest in those assets?
 
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Tue Sep 21, 2021 11:00 am

Cebu Pacific has shed quite a few A320ceos last year and this year:

A320-214
1. RP-C3264 4852 HK-???? Avianca
2. RP-C3267 4927 HK-???? Avianca
3. RP-C3263 4574 N289NV Allegiant Air
4. RP-C3250 3767 OE-INX DVB Bank
5. RP-C3262 4537 N288NV Allegiant Air
6. RP-C3268 4993 HK-???? Avianca
7. RP-C3260 4447 N286NV Allegiant Air
8. RP-C3261 4508 N287NV Allegiant Air
9. RP-C3237 5045 N284NV Allegiant Air
10. RP-C3238 5067 N285NV Allegiant Air

A330-343
1. RP-C3341 1420 All white at CAN
2. RP-C3342 1445 G-FPOP Flypop at CAN https://twitter.com/jaylpod/status/1431 ... 26/photo/1

Good that most have found new home.
 
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Tue Sep 21, 2021 4:45 pm

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Not a bad idea at all! An X Deal perhaps? Turbo props for nav & landing fees can work

If accepted, it could be a "considerable" reduction from the P570M receivables due the CAAP as indicated on the first Inquirer link in post #312 above. :dollarsign: :dollarsign: :dollarsign: :dollarsign: :dollarsign:


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could this be a sign that PAL has planned a replacment for the A320ceo? they just canabilized there order for A321neo?

The orders were merely delayed, not cancelled outright. PR could reinstate those when they exit restructuring (after the pandemic?)...and are financially healthy again to tackle foreseen rebound in demand.

AB330 wrote:
As the Dash 8-Q300 the Philippine Goverment could take them as form of Collateral and give them to either the PAF, PN or PCG.

Not collateral but as "payment in kind" -- the Q-300s still have plenty of cycles left that conversion costs won't be wasted on them, as opposed to the beat-up Q-400s.

AB330 wrote:
The biggest hurdel is weither the goverment has intrest in those assets?

The problem lies with those tuned in to station WII-FM who may not see the transaction as bringing in "tangible" benefits! :talktothehand:
 
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Tue Sep 21, 2021 5:29 pm

In the meantime, there's a very welcome development on the Airport Village in Clark revealed courtesy of SkyscraperCity..... :bigthumbsup:

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Wed Sep 22, 2021 12:25 pm

And now comes the "interesting" part..... :spin:

https://www.flightglobal.com/strategy/p ... 78.article

https://business.inquirer.net/331099/pa ... tion-in-ph


Local creditors would doubtless be up in arms over this! :hissyfit:
 
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Thu Sep 23, 2021 1:48 am

In contrast to the soft, curvilinear shape of the Airport Village, the NSCR CRK Station access looks like the gate of a maximum security detention facility. :boxedin: From SkyscraperCity.....

posted by: @dewlin07
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Will the underground portion of NSCR CRK also pass through the center of SCTEX :?:

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Fri Sep 24, 2021 1:49 am

Will 5J's first A339 still make it into the country by the holiday season? :santahat:



More to the point, might we see it in PACMAN turf even after his loss? :stirthepot:

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Comments on the report below seem apprehensive about an international flight landing at the newly inaugurated terminal..... :spin:

https://business.inquirer.net/331240/do ... al-airport


http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=CDG-GES&MS=wls&DU=nm
 
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Fri Sep 24, 2021 12:59 pm

This is the time when our airports have become better or at par with the ones in Malaysia and Thailand.

With the exception of NAIA.
 
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Fri Sep 24, 2021 3:08 pm

In answer to my question, this blog says 5J's first A339 will be delivered in October 2021.....

http://philippineairspace.blogspot.com/ ... at-73.html

Quote:
"She however declined to comment on delivery schedule of 16 long-range A330 neo aircraft, 10 A321 XLRs, and five A320 neo jets. The company earlier stated that it will upgrade its entire Airbus fleet with newer and more efficient planes by 2027.

The airline earlier received its eight and ninth new Airbus A321neo (New Engine Option) aircraft on April 2 and May 19 2021. It will also received its first A330-900 aircraft this October, financed both by Indigo Partners US$250 million equity infusion. It is scheduled to fly Dubai route.

According to Company reports, the airline will receive 5 more Airbus jets and ATR turboprops for the remainder of 2021 but will not grow its fleet."



Quite an undertaking, to say the least. :scratchchin:


A few more photos of GenSan airport from the same blog..... :camera:

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http://philippineairspace.blogspot.com/ ... minal.html



Bobby27ph wrote:
This is the time when our airports have become better or at par with the ones in Malaysia and Thailand.

There will always be better and more impressive airports elsewhere. Not much good dwelling on it...such is life.
 
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Mon Sep 27, 2021 9:37 am

New PAL Summer Timetable update released earlier today, 27 September 2021. The Winter Timetable will be coming soon and will be effective 30 October, as hinted on their website.

Main features of this timetable are CEB, DVO, SFS and TAG being used as gateways for select international flights, resumption of Hanoi service, as well as increases to service in select international and domestic routes.

Detailed highlights of select routes are here:

International

MNL-BNE-AKL v.v. operates 17 October
MNL-BKK v.v. 1x weekly
MNL-DXB v.v. increases 6x weekly by 3 October, DXB-MNL service stops in DVO on 28 Sep, SFS on 29 Sep
MNL-HAN v.v. resumes 1x weekly from 3-24 October (may continue when Winter Timetable goes into effect)
MNL-HKG v.v. 2x weekly
MNL-HNL v.v. 1x weekly, 3x weekly from 17 Oct
MNL-KUL v.v. 1x weekly, KUL-MNL stops in SFS on 2 October, TAG on 9 October, non-stop on remaining dates
MNL-LHR v.v. operates 5 October
MNL-LAX daily, LAX-MNL non-stop 6x weekly, LAX-CEB-MNL 1x weekly
MNL-MEL v.v. 1x weekly from 2 october
MNL-NGO v.v. 3x weekly, 4x weekly from 16 Oct
MNL-JFK v.v. 2x weekly
MNL-KIX v.v. 1x daily
MNL-RUH v.v. 4x weekly
MNL-SFO v.v. 4x weekly, SFO-CEB-MNL 1x weekly
MNL-ICN v.v. 2x weekly from 6 Oct
MNL-SIN v.v. 1x daily, except 9, 23, 30 October when flights stop via CEB
MNL-SYD v.v. operates 1x weekly from 8-29 Oct (Manila dep, may continue when Winter Timetable goes into effect)
MNL-TPE v.v. 3x weekly
MNL-HND v.v. 4x weekly + additional flight on 12 Oct
MNL-NRT v.v. 1x daily
MNL-YYZ v.v. 1x weekly
MNL-YVR v.v. 3x weekly
CEB-NRT v.v. operates 2, 16 and 30 Oct
MNL-TLV v.v. is not listed in this update.

Domestic
MNL-BCD v.v. 2x weekly
MNL-BSO v.v. operates 1, 16 and 31 Oct
MNL-USU v.v. 1x daily, 10x weekly from 1 Oct
MNL-BXU v.v. 11x weekly, 2x daily from 2 Oct
MNL-CGY v.v. 21x weekly
MNL-CYP v.v. 1x weekly
MNL-CRM v.v. 1x weekly
MNL-MPH v.v. 33x weekly
MNL-CEB 36x weekly, CEB-MNL 5x daily + 1x weekly from 3-17 Oct (all opb Mainline)
MNL-COT v.v. increases from 1x daily to 11x weekly
MNL-DVO v.v. 23x weekly (all opb Mainline)
MNL-DPL v.v. 4x weekly, 5x from 3-10 Oct
MNL-DGT v.v. 9x weekly from 3 Oct
MNL-GES v.v 4x weekly (opb Mainline)
MNL-ILO v.v. 1x daily
MNL-KLO v.v. 5x weekly (opb Mainline)
MNL-PPS v.v. 7x weekly from 5 Oct, (2x weekly opb Mainline)
MNL-RXS v.v. 5x weekly from Oct 7, + 1 daily from 31 October
MNL-IAO v.v. 7x weekly
MNL-TAC v.v. increases to 3x daily from 1 October
MNL-TAG v.v. 9x weekly
CEB-CGY v.v. increases to 5x weekly from 7 October
CEB-MPH v.v. began 22 Sep, 3x weekly by 5 October
CEB-CRK v.v. 3x weekly, aircraft originates from Cebu
CEB-DVO v.v. 5x weekly until 28 October (returns to 4x weekly)
CEB-TAC v.v. increases to 5x weekly from 2 October
ZAM-TWT v.v. 1x weekly
 
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Mon Sep 27, 2021 3:30 pm

Apparently, the soft opening of the BIA in Daraga, Albay was slated less than a fortnight from now..... :goodvibes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gs5aYm4gzF8

In fairness, the interior of the new terminal belies the "palengke" and "sabungan" references to it :shakehead: particularly, the avant-garde ceiling design of the second level arrival and departure hall would flabbergast any "kristo" accustomed to the formers' noisy settings. :o But there remains the kitschy mini-Mayon metal structure atop the front facade which the DOTr said they would restudy. Maybe they could put it over the main gate to the airport instead so it wouldn't be wasted? :idea:
 
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Tue Sep 28, 2021 4:13 pm

PAL to interline with HA for flights to SEA and mulls other US mainland destinations in the near future..... :airplane:

https://business.inquirer.net/331548/pa ... west-coast


The above will be facilitated by the proposed authorized capital increase due for company stockholders' vote..... :dollarsign: :dollarsign: :dollarsign: :dollarsign: :dollarsign: :dollarsign: :dollarsign: :dollarsign: :dollarsign:

https://www.philstar.com/business/2021/ ... -tan-group


For the time being, this is probably the closest PR could get to its dream of direct SEA service. :wave:
 
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Wed Sep 29, 2021 3:28 am

Devilfish wrote:
PAL to interline with HA for flights to SEA and mulls other US mainland destinations in the near future..... :airplane:

https://business.inquirer.net/331548/pa ... west-coast


I was just about to mention this... I've been seeing these ads over the past few days. Apparently they have a promo where you can fly to SEA/LAS via HNL, including a 2D/1N stay in HNL with free transfers. I'm interested to see this expanded HA partnership, would also be nice to see HA numbers on PR operated flights to MNL!
 
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Thu Sep 30, 2021 2:37 pm

Philippine747 wrote:
I've been seeing these ads over the past few days. Apparently they have a promo where you can fly to SEA/LAS via HNL, including a 2D/1N stay in HNL with free transfers.

Indeed..... :airplane:

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With an option like the following, it can only mean a much needed boost to the flagging business environment..... :house:

https://www.philstar.com/business/2021/ ... ter-option



And for an OT sideshow --- now that the "mentionables" have declared their candidacies, another "aspirant" emerges for recognition..... :biggrin:

https://www.flightglobal.com/business-a ... 07.article

 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2021

Thu Sep 30, 2021 3:48 pm

Devilfish wrote:
Philippine747 wrote:
I've been seeing these ads over the past few days. Apparently they have a promo where you can fly to SEA/LAS via HNL, including a 2D/1N stay in HNL with free transfers.

Indeed..... :airplane:

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https://www.skyscrapercity.com/cdn-cgi/ ... g.2126376/


With an option like the following, it can only mean a much needed boost to the flagging business environment..... :house:

https://www.philstar.com/business/2021/ ... ter-option



And for an OT sideshow --- now that the "mentionables" have declared their candidacies, another "aspirant" emerges for recognition..... :biggrin:

https://www.flightglobal.com/business-a ... 07.article



I'm hoping PAL will expanded it to a codeshare agreement in the future as currently only flights within Hawaii. I could also see Boston and New York being potentially added in the future may also complement it if PAL decided to return to New York in the future. Beisde HA maybe we could see PAL expanded partnership with Westjet for flights within Canada.
 
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Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:01 am

The first Cebu Pacific A330neo (RP-C3900) is scheduled to arrive in the last week of October
 
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Sat Oct 02, 2021 4:03 pm

AB330 wrote:
I could also see Boston and New York being potentially added in the future may also complement it if PAL decided to return to New York in the future.

I doubt Boston but JFK could return via YVR with the A359 once the pandemic is over, traffic is back to pre-COVID levels, and PR has regained its financial footing. :optimist:

AB330 wrote:
Beisde HA maybe we could see PAL expanded partnership with Westjet for flights within Canada.

Perhaps...although MNL-SEA-YYZ might be more desirable revenue wise as PR could pickup passengers on the SEA-YYZ-SEA legs subject to bilateral approvals which may be tough to get.


JNC03 wrote:
The first Cebu Pacific A330neo (RP-C3900) is scheduled to arrive in the last week of October

:santahat: Just in time for the holidays! I wonder what distancing protocol 5J will enforce in their A339 ? :crowded:



Elsewhere, PR may have received their Christmas gift early as the U.S. bankruptcy court allowed them to access the balance of the DIP financing stipulated during the proceedings. :dollarsign: :dollarsign: :dollarsign: :dollarsign: :dollarsign: :dollarsign: :dollarsign:

https://business.inquirer.net/331784/us ... -financing
 
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Sat Oct 02, 2021 5:35 pm

A slight correction.....I meant to say MNL-HNL-YYZ with rights to pick up paying pax on the HNL-YYZ-HNL legs. :embarrassed2:

http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=MNL-HNL-YYZ&MS=wls&DU=nm

PR's current tri-class A330s will be well-suited for that routing. They just need to set the fares wisely. :cheerful:
 
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Sun Oct 03, 2021 8:02 pm

No rest for the weary. :tired: From the DOTr secretary's FB page..... :camera:

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https://scontent-sjc3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/ ... e=615FCA49

For sure, no fishmonger will mistake the above for a "palengke". One concern though is he/she may think the ceiling has collapsed... :wideeyed:


Inauguration scheduled on Wednesday, Oct 6.....

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http://philippineairspace.blogspot.com/ ... ready.html


Maybe the hardworking department could be rewarded with a new ride operated by the AF so they won't have to charter every time they need to go out of town for work? :stirthepot:


https://www.blogbeforeflight.net/2021/1 ... -p180.html


:candle: Lastly, a moment in memory of a journalist who was part of the local aviation scene for a long time..... :tombstone:

https://newsinfo.inquirer.net/1496426/v ... asses-away

Quote:
"Before his career in journalism, Mercene was an air traffic controller and private pilot for 18 years, BusinessMirror shared.

Mercene covered aviation, defense, Malacañang, Senate, and foreign affairs."
 
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Mon Oct 04, 2021 4:25 am

Devilfish wrote:
AB330 wrote:
I could also see Boston and New York being potentially added in the future may also complement it if PAL decided to return to New York in the future.


I doubt Boston but JFK could return via YVR with the A359 once the pandemic is over, traffic is back to pre-COVID levels, and PR has regained its financial footing. :optimist:

AB330 wrote:
Beisde HA maybe we could see PAL expanded partnership with Westjet for flights within Canada.

Perhaps...although MNL-SEA-YYZ might be more desirable revenue wise as PR could pickup passengers on the SEA-YYZ-SEA legs subject to bilateral approvals which may be tough to get.


I was actually referring to Codeshares agreements with HA rather then PAL launching flights to BOS as for PAL resuming direct flights to JFK or via YVR I'm hoping they also have either an interline agreement or codeshare with B6 which could help PAL grow in the East Coast. If they choose to return to the Big Apple in the future.
 
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Mon Oct 04, 2021 5:58 am

Lufthansa confirms again they are taking four ex-PR A350.

https://uk.investing.com/news/stock-mar ... ns-2476551

RP-C3503
RP-C3504
RP-C3506
RP-C3507

At the same time, PR has returned A330-343 RP-C8762 to DAE Capital as LZ-DBL, which seems to be picked up by SmartLynx Malta as 9H-SMF.
Airbus A330-343 MSN 1531 LZ-DBL DAE Capital ferried 02oct21 MNL-MCT, all white ex ?
Source: https://www.skyliner-aviation.de/regdb. ... av4&page=1
https://www.planespotters.net/airframe/ ... tal/e22zo4
 
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Mon Oct 04, 2021 5:57 pm

AB330 wrote:
I was actually referring to Codeshares agreements with HA rather then PAL launching flights to BOS

Understood...I wasn't very clear, sorry. I just felt there isn't much ethnic traffic for HA to agree a codeshare to BOS.

AB330 wrote:
as for PAL resuming direct flights to JFK or via YVR I'm hoping they also have either an interline agreement or codeshare with B6 which could help PAL grow in the East Coast. If they choose to return to the Big Apple in the future.

IMO, this will dilute the value of PR's potential return to JFK for them.


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Lufthansa confirms again they are taking four ex-PR A350.

Are these the same frames indicated in the report below :?:

https://www.flightglobal.com/fleets/luf ... 56.article
 
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Tue Oct 05, 2021 1:09 am

Devilfish wrote:
RoyalBrunei757 wrote:
Lufthansa confirms again they are taking four ex-PR A350.

Are these the same frames indicated in the report below :?:

https://www.flightglobal.com/fleets/luf ... 56.article

Yes, they are the same.

RP-C3503 leased from SMBC
RP-C3504 leased from Avolon
RP-C3506 leased from Avolon
RP-C3507 leased from Goshawk Aviation
 
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Tue Oct 05, 2021 1:24 am

[quote="RoyalBrunei757"]Lufthansa confirms again they are taking four ex-PR A350.

https://uk.investing.com/news/stock-mar ... ns-2476551

RP-C3503
RP-C3504
RP-C3506
RP-C3507

3504 is flying again with PAL while 3507 is currently at CRK being stored. Its highly possible that both will leave the fleet next year

The qoute from LH CEO about the lease rates is certainly interesting. LATAM has removed the A350 from there fleet I wonder if PAL will consider taking some of them that is not earmarked for Delta?

https://www.airliners.net/photo/TAM-LAT ... w1dg%3D%3D

I doubt it will happend anytime soon though. But could be a cheaper way for PAL to converted there options to the A35K instead of making a new orders or signing a new lease agreement.
 
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Tue Oct 05, 2021 1:31 am

RoyalBrunei757 wrote:
At the same time, PR has returned A330-343 RP-C8762 to DAE Capital as LZ-DBL, which seems to be picked up by SmartLynx Malta as 9H-SMF.
Airbus A330-343 MSN 1531 LZ-DBL DAE Capital ferried 02oct21 MNL-MCT, all white ex ?
Source: https://www.skyliner-aviation.de/regdb. ... av4&page=1
https://www.planespotters.net/airframe/ ... tal/e22zo4


1 down 3 more to go I wonder if those stored at Allice Spring are also being planned to returned to there respective lessors?

thought it those contradict the previous notion that the Tri-class A330 where to be retained. But I think its best to wait and see which will go next
 
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Tue Oct 05, 2021 3:20 am

AB330 wrote:
RoyalBrunei757 wrote:
Lufthansa confirms again they are taking four ex-PR A350.

https://uk.investing.com/news/stock-mar ... ns-2476551

RP-C3503
RP-C3504
RP-C3506
RP-C3507

3504 is flying again with PAL while 3507 is currently at CRK being stored. Its highly possible that both will leave the fleet next year

The qoute from LH CEO about the lease rates is certainly interesting. LATAM has removed the A350 from there fleet I wonder if PAL will consider taking some of them that is not earmarked for Delta?

https://www.airliners.net/photo/TAM-LAT ... w1dg%3D%3D

I doubt it will happend anytime soon though. But could be a cheaper way for PAL to converted there options to the A35K instead of making a new orders or signing a new lease agreement.

Thank you for the update. Yes, it is probable that 3504 and 3507 will leave by end of the year as LH Teknik now are busy with the other two ex-PR A350 and their German Air Force new A350.

The leasing market is pretty much tanked due to the pandemic, there aren't as many shoppers for widebody compared to narrowbody. While we are a lot of narrowbodies being picked up, the widebody market is saturated by pre-loved machines A330, A350 and B787. Pretty much buyers' market now.

Yes, I agree with you, not anytime soon. PAL has/planning to offloaded A350s/A330s/B77Ws, undergoing bankruptcy protection now, and they have overcapacity issue, so I am not sure if they are rushing to add more A350 or more capacity for that matter. The remaining ex-LATAM 6 A350 that Delta did not take up belongs to LATAM through shell companies if I am not mistaken. They are locked in legal settlement as I last known, not sure if they are cleared by legal authorities by now.
 
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Wed Oct 06, 2021 2:19 am

Lufthansa’s ex-Philippine Airlines A350s have better business class
https://www.executivetraveller.com/news/lufthansa-s-ex-philippine-airlines-a350s-have-better-business-class

The German flag-carrier will soon fly former Philippine Airlines A350s which boast a superior business class to Lufthansa's own.

Lufthansa will soon be flying four Airbus A350s previously leased to Philippine Airlines – and the German flag-carrier's customers will discover these have a superior business class seat to Lufthansa's own front-of-cabin experience.

Due to take wing in the first half of 2022s, they'll swell the size of Lufthansa's A350 fleet to 21 as the Star Alliance member swoops on a post-pandemic travel recovery.

The irony is that these A350-900s are reported to have come from the hangars of Philippine Airlines, which is currently in bankruptcy and trimming its fleet and routes as a result.


Of course, the Skytrax ratings (controversies aside because that's another story for another day) are much more than the aircraft cabin quality, but it is ironic that a second-hand jet from a 4-star carrier will have better cabin quality than the current fleet of a 5-star carrier.

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