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OMAAbound
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Re: Lufthansa Group Fleet Thread - 2021

Tue Jul 06, 2021 4:57 pm

BrianDromey wrote:
OMAAbound wrote:
The White-Tails which are rumored to be going to Austrian are

LN955
LN 971
LN983
LN1011

All we destined for Norwegian, but never delivered.

OMAA

So these would be RR powered, if I recall correctly? The main LH order is also for RR powered aircraft and the 5 white-tails already ordered were GE? For LH, much like DL, a mixed engine fleet probably makes little difference as they maintain both. They already operate IAE and CFM A32x, for example and have CFM and P&W orders for their A32xNEO.


Don’t forget, and I’m sure it’s been mentioned before, LH already have the GEnx Engines on the 747-8, so they mx team will be trained, so as you say, will make little differed.

In a smaller fleet like Austrian, continuity with the engines will help a lot, likely why they didn’t the GEnx engines on the LH white-tail order.

OMAA
 
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Re: Lufthansa Group Fleet Thread - 2021

Tue Jul 06, 2021 5:13 pm

Don't forget, that mixed engine fleets were never a big problem for Lufthansa Group, even with a smaller subfleet of different airplanes. Lufthansa Technik is doing maintenance on almost anything, even on a lot of aircraft and engine types, that are nowhere around in any LH group airline's fleet.

For example, Brussels Airways had a mix of RR, GE and PW powered A330-200 and -300 in their fleet up until some time ago. The (very few) upcoming A330-200 for Eurowings Discover will be powered by GE engines, while currently all active A330-300 in the fleets of LH, LX, SN and EW are RR powered. The mix in the A320s has already been mentioned, too.
 
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Re: Lufthansa Group Fleet Thread - 2021

Tue Jul 06, 2021 6:50 pm

I noticed some news articles link to this thread as the source for this news. Lol.
 
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Re: Lufthansa Group Fleet Thread - 2021

Tue Jul 06, 2021 7:25 pm

RvA wrote:
I noticed some news articles link to this thread as the source for this news. Lol.


Gots to be simpleflying
 
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Re: Lufthansa Group Fleet Thread - 2021

Wed Jul 07, 2021 1:54 am

On the LH side, have any routes been announced for the B789s yet? (I also wonder how many more white tails there could be taken in the B789 department, given that the Group has taken 9 of them...five NTU for All Nippon Airways and four NTUs for Norwegian.)
 
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Re: Lufthansa Group Fleet Thread - 2021

Wed Jul 07, 2021 6:54 am

Lufthansa Cargo is planning to use A320P2F for short and medium haul cargo operations. Contrary to the 777 and MD-11 fleets, the A320P2F, although labeled as and marketed by Lufthansa Cargo, will be operated by Lufthansa Cityline, apparently to profit from lower pilot salaries at the subsidiary compared to GEC. It is not mentioned, whether they will acquire additional aircraft or convert their own.

Source (German): https://www.aero.de/news-40177/Geht-Luf ... lines.html
 
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Re: Lufthansa Group Fleet Thread - 2021

Wed Jul 07, 2021 7:13 am

conaly wrote:
Lufthansa Cargo is planning to use A320P2F for short and medium haul cargo operations. Contrary to the 777 and MD-11 fleets, the A320P2F, although labeled as and marketed by Lufthansa Cargo, will be operated by Lufthansa Cityline, apparently to profit from lower pilot salaries at the subsidiary compared to GEC. It is not mentioned, whether they will acquire additional aircraft or convert their own.

Source (German): https://www.aero.de/news-40177/Geht-Luf ... lines.html


They probably just convert their own aircraft. And the article mentions A321P2F, not A320.
 
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Re: Lufthansa Group Fleet Thread - 2021

Wed Jul 07, 2021 7:15 am

And beloved Simple flying reports that B744 will come out of storage from September.
https://simpleflying.com/lufthansa-boeing-747-july/
 
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Re: Lufthansa Group Fleet Thread - 2021

Wed Jul 07, 2021 7:50 am

aemoreira1981 wrote:
On the LH side, have any routes been announced for the B789s yet? (I also wonder how many more white tails there could be taken in the B789 department, given that the Group has taken 9 of them...five NTU for All Nippon Airways and four NTUs for Norwegian.)

NTUs for All Nippon? Has that been confirmed anywhere?
 
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Re: Lufthansa Group Fleet Thread - 2021

Wed Jul 07, 2021 7:54 am

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And the article mentions A321P2F, not A320.


The article has been changed afterwards. When I posted the link, an unspecific number of A320P2F were mentioned, now the article says four A321P2F.
 
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Re: Lufthansa Group Fleet Thread - 2021

Wed Jul 07, 2021 8:14 am

PM wrote:
aemoreira1981 wrote:
On the LH side, have any routes been announced for the B789s yet? (I also wonder how many more white tails there could be taken in the B789 department, given that the Group has taken 9 of them...five NTU for All Nippon Airways and four NTUs for Norwegian.)

NTUs for All Nippon? Has that been confirmed anywhere?

Find it hard to believe ANA is not taking the five B787-9, they are actually accelerating the B777 fleet retirement, hence will need every B787 they have ordered to cover the capacity shortfall. More likely if LH is indeed taking used market would be those current fleet, previously operated and ntu from HNA Group and Norwegian Group.
 
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Re: Lufthansa Group Fleet Thread - 2021

Wed Jul 07, 2021 8:48 am

RoyalBrunei757 wrote:
PM wrote:
aemoreira1981 wrote:
On the LH side, have any routes been announced for the B789s yet? (I also wonder how many more white tails there could be taken in the B789 department, given that the Group has taken 9 of them...five NTU for All Nippon Airways and four NTUs for Norwegian.)

NTUs for All Nippon? Has that been confirmed anywhere?

Find it hard to believe ANA is not taking the five B787-9, they are actually accelerating the B777 fleet retirement, hence will need every B787 they have ordered to cover the capacity shortfall. More likely if LH is indeed taking used market would be those current fleet, previously operated and ntu from HNA Group and Norwegian Group.

I agree. Moreover, unless I'm missing something, the only five ANA 787s that might be NTU are 4 x -9 and a -10.

L/N 1023, 1033, 1076, 1083 are -9s with RR and have flown. L/N 1062 is a -10 and has flown.

The situation is complicated because ANA are switching to GE and leasing some of them from Atlantis Aviation Corp. But I cannot see why or how they would not take the RR planes that are already built.
 
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Re: Lufthansa Group Fleet Thread - 2021

Wed Jul 07, 2021 9:51 am

The 787-9's going to Lufthansa are the Vistara Airframes ntu. Not the ANA frames, LN 887, 893, 898, 905 & 913 are the ones going to LH

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Re: Lufthansa Group Fleet Thread - 2021

Wed Jul 07, 2021 10:03 am

ben7x wrote:
And beloved Simple flying reports that B744 will come out of storage from September.
https://simpleflying.com/lufthansa-boeing-747-july/

Yes, they will. First they need some maintenance in China and then we will see the beautyful old ladies in the sky again. Up where they belong.
 
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Re: Lufthansa Group Fleet Thread - 2021

Wed Jul 07, 2021 10:40 am

Given that the A340-600s are apparently coming back and even potentially the 747-400s, is there still a chance for the A380s to return? Or are those truly gone for good?
 
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Re: Lufthansa Group Fleet Thread - 2021

Wed Jul 07, 2021 4:05 pm

filipinoavgeek wrote:
Given that the A340-600s are apparently coming back and even potentially the 747-400s, is there still a chance for the A380s to return? Or are those truly gone for good?


As far as I understand only some aircraft, not all, of those two fleets are coming back. A380 I would say is extremely unlikely. Demand is bouncing back but I would say it appears on the horizon the pandemic during winter may lead to some reduced freedom of movement again, or at least with certain conditions. If things get bad again those 747s won’t be in the schedule for long I would bet.
 
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Re: Lufthansa Group Fleet Thread - 2021

Wed Jul 07, 2021 4:10 pm

I don’t think there is any intention to keep the A346s/744s flying long term. Just planes available to build up schedule as demand picks up until they get more A350/787 deliveries, with the ability to quickly park if necessary. That is not a good fit for the A380 because of the need for separate pilots. A346/744 can be covered by 748 and A330/A343 pilots.
 
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Re: Lufthansa Group Fleet Thread - 2021

Wed Jul 07, 2021 4:16 pm

ben7x wrote:
conaly wrote:
Lufthansa Cargo is planning to use A320P2F for short and medium haul cargo operations. Contrary to the 777 and MD-11 fleets, the A320P2F, although labeled as and marketed by Lufthansa Cargo, will be operated by Lufthansa Cityline, apparently to profit from lower pilot salaries at the subsidiary compared to GEC. It is not mentioned, whether they will acquire additional aircraft or convert their own.

Source (German): https://www.aero.de/news-40177/Geht-Luf ... lines.html


They probably just convert their own aircraft. And the article mentions A321P2F, not A320.






Chances are high they gonna use the former Eurowings A321s (LN 1988, 1994, 3504, 5126, 5133) currently stored. One of them (LN3504) is already in Singapore (XSP) for cargo conversion.
 
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Re: Lufthansa Group Fleet Thread - 2021

Wed Jul 07, 2021 4:56 pm

OMAAbound wrote:
The 787-9's going to Lufthansa are the Vistara Airframes ntu. Not the ANA frames, LN 887, 893, 898, 905 & 913 are the ones going to LH

OMAA


All in all, what are the white-tails that the Lufthansa Group is taking?

Kingstone wrote:
ben7x wrote:
conaly wrote:
Lufthansa Cargo is planning to use A320P2F for short and medium haul cargo operations. Contrary to the 777 and MD-11 fleets, the A320P2F, although labeled as and marketed by Lufthansa Cargo, will be operated by Lufthansa Cityline, apparently to profit from lower pilot salaries at the subsidiary compared to GEC. It is not mentioned, whether they will acquire additional aircraft or convert their own.

Source (German): https://www.aero.de/news-40177/Geht-Luf ... lines.html


They probably just convert their own aircraft. And the article mentions A321P2F, not A320.






Chances are high they gonna use the former Eurowings A321s (LN 1988, 1994, 3504, 5126, 5133) currently stored. One of them (LN3504) is already in Singapore (XSP) for cargo conversion.


I am surprised that LH is using frames that new for conversion, especially D-AEUC, as opposed to older frames, although all of them are owned by the Group, becoming its property with the AB bankruptcy.
 
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Re: Lufthansa Group Fleet Thread - 2021

Wed Jul 07, 2021 5:21 pm

aemoreira1981 wrote:
OMAAbound wrote:
The 787-9's going to Lufthansa are the Vistara Airframes ntu. Not the ANA frames, LN 887, 893, 898, 905 & 913 are the ones going to LH

OMAA


All in all, what are the white-tails that the Lufthansa Group is taking?

Kingstone wrote:
ben7x wrote:

They probably just convert their own aircraft. And the article mentions A321P2F, not A320.


So they 9 white-tails that Lufthansa Group are taking are

Lufthansa - 887, 893, 898, 905 & 913 (Vistara NTU)

Austrian - 955, 971, 983 & 1011. (Norwegian NTU)

OMAA

Chances are high they gonna use the former Eurowings A321s (LN 1988, 1994, 3504, 5126, 5133) currently stored. One of them (LN3504) is already in Singapore (XSP) for cargo conversion.


I am surprised that LH is using frames that new for conversion, especially D-AEUC, as opposed to older frames, although all of them are owned by the Group, becoming its property with the AB bankruptcy.
 
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Re: Lufthansa Group Fleet Thread - 2021

Wed Jul 07, 2021 5:26 pm

Kingstone wrote:
ben7x wrote:
conaly wrote:
Lufthansa Cargo is planning to use A320P2F for short and medium haul cargo operations. Contrary to the 777 and MD-11 fleets, the A320P2F, although labeled as and marketed by Lufthansa Cargo, will be operated by Lufthansa Cityline, apparently to profit from lower pilot salaries at the subsidiary compared to GEC. It is not mentioned, whether they will acquire additional aircraft or convert their own.

Source (German): https://www.aero.de/news-40177/Geht-Luf ... lines.html


They probably just convert their own aircraft. And the article mentions A321P2F, not A320.






Chances are high they gonna use the former Eurowings A321s (LN 1988, 1994, 3504, 5126, 5133) currently stored. One of them (LN3504) is already in Singapore (XSP) for cargo conversion.


I‘ve already read a few weeks/months ago that one former EW A321 is in Singapore for conversation. But I thought they sold it somehow to a third party. But it absolutely makes sense.
 
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Re: Lufthansa Group Fleet Thread - 2021

Wed Jul 07, 2021 9:44 pm

aemoreira1981 wrote:
On the LH side, have any routes been announced for the B789s yet? (I also wonder how many more white tails there could be taken in the B789 department, given that the Group has taken 9 of them...five NTU for All Nippon Airways and four NTUs for Norwegian.)

Five NTUs are from HNA/Vistara as others mentioned, not ANA.

Michael
 
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Re: Lufthansa Group Fleet Thread - 2021

Wed Jul 07, 2021 10:48 pm

ben7x wrote:
I‘ve already read a few weeks/months ago that one former EW A321 is in Singapore for conversation. But I thought they sold it somehow to a third party. But it absolutely makes sense.

The aircraft is usually sold first to the company that does the conversion and later sold to the cargo airline that ordered it (or, in this case, back to LH) when it returns to service.
 
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Re: Lufthansa Group Fleet Thread - 2021

Wed Jul 07, 2021 10:55 pm

LAXintl wrote:
LH Group Executive Board authorized allocation to Brussels Airlines three CFM powered A320neos with planned delivery in 2023.

https://press.brusselsairlines.com/thre ... et-in-2023


This news is somewhat noteworthy as Brussels Airlines was one of the last airlines in Europe to not have any latest generation aircraft on order, let alone in its fleet.
 
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Re: Lufthansa Group Fleet Thread - 2021

Thu Jul 08, 2021 5:49 am

tomcat wrote:
LAXintl wrote:
LH Group Executive Board authorized allocation to Brussels Airlines three CFM powered A320neos with planned delivery in 2023.

https://press.brusselsairlines.com/thre ... et-in-2023


This news is somewhat noteworthy as Brussels Airlines was one of the last airlines in Europe to not have any latest generation aircraft on order, let alone in its fleet.


Alitalia anyone?? ahahah
 
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Re: Lufthansa Group Fleet Thread - 2021

Thu Jul 08, 2021 6:50 am

According to German Media the A321P2F will be already converted 2nd hand aircraft - makes sense as the conversion of own aircraft would take some time.

And in another forum there is this rumor floating around:

OS is getting 787-9 as of the phase out of the 767
LX is getting A350-900 to replace A340-300 maybe even some more for the A333 they had to give up earlier.

Now the interesting part: It is discussed that LH is getting the 77Ws from LX as they also will get the 777-9 and LX will become an all Airbus operator again

Again just a rumor but plausible
 
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Re: Lufthansa Group Fleet Thread - 2021

Thu Jul 08, 2021 8:08 am

columba wrote:
According to German Media the A321P2F will be already converted 2nd hand aircraft - makes sense as the conversion of own aircraft would take some time.

And in another forum there is this rumor floating around:

OS is getting 787-9 as of the phase out of the 767
LX is getting A350-900 to replace A340-300 maybe even some more for the A333 they had to give up earlier.

Now the interesting part: It is discussed that LH is getting the 77Ws from LX as they also will get the 777-9 and LX will become an all Airbus operator again

Again just a rumor but plausible


Given Swiss has just announced they are retrofitting all their B77Ws with premium economy I’d say that is doubtful.
 
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Re: Lufthansa Group Fleet Thread - 2021

Thu Jul 08, 2021 9:32 am

RvA wrote:

Given Swiss has just announced they are retrofitting all their B77Ws with premium economy I’d say that is doubtful.


I think they are refitting with the standard LH group seat, so I wouldn't think too much of that. Sounds like it would not happen overnight, so it could happen to keep all 777s at LH under one operational group.
 
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Re: Lufthansa Group Fleet Thread - 2021

Thu Jul 08, 2021 9:40 am

BrianDromey wrote:
RvA wrote:

Given Swiss has just announced they are retrofitting all their B77Ws with premium economy I’d say that is doubtful.


I think they are refitting with the standard LH group seat, so I wouldn't think too much of that. Sounds like it would not happen overnight, so it could happen to keep all 777s at LH under one operational group.


Yes, that is how I have read it
 
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Re: Lufthansa Group Fleet Thread - 2021

Thu Jul 08, 2021 10:00 am

columba wrote:
According to German Media the A321P2F will be already converted 2nd hand aircraft - makes sense as the conversion of own aircraft would take some time.

And in another forum there is this rumor floating around:

OS is getting 787-9 as of the phase out of the 767
LX is getting A350-900 to replace A340-300 maybe even some more for the A333 they had to give up earlier.

Now the interesting part: It is discussed that LH is getting the 77Ws from LX as they also will get the 777-9 and LX will become an all Airbus operator again

Again just a rumor but plausible


This has been spoken about internally, however there is some issues between the parties as to what they would like.

Sending the 777's to LH would make it a more streamlined fleet and also improves the efficiency of crews and training. All crew would operate both the 777 and 787 etc.

The same could then happen at LX with the A330 and A350, one type-rating and minimizing costs and improving efficiency.

The sticking point in this is the cargo division at LX are not keen on losing space by having an A359, perhaps if there was -1000, then it would be an easier transition.

As for the premium offer, as has been said before, this will be a LH Group Product, its likely the new Premium Economy that will be fitted to the 787 (although slightly narrower) that has been mentioned earlier in the thread.

OMAA
 
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Re: Lufthansa Group Fleet Thread - 2021

Thu Jul 08, 2021 11:00 am

BrianDromey wrote:
RvA wrote:

Given Swiss has just announced they are retrofitting all their B77Ws with premium economy I’d say that is doubtful.


I think they are refitting with the standard LH group seat, so I wouldn't think too much of that. Sounds like it would not happen overnight, so it could happen to keep all 777s at LH under one operational group.


The seat yes, but will LH fly with the upholstery etc all in Swiss colours? If not they’d have a fair bit of work to do in order to take over what has been a very strong performer for the group’s cash cow, with a very premium heavy layout. Not sure this would make sense in short-mid term. Not when you have other aircraft LH could (re)deploy as needed.
 
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Thu Jul 08, 2021 11:52 am

For their A32x fleet LH group has introduced standardized seats. Part of the idea of homogenous seating is in part due to the transferring of aircraft between individual parts of Lufthansa Group. I can imagine that they also plan something like this with the 787 and A350 fleet (if Swiss is getting them as well) so it could also be a possibilty with the 777.

Again, this would not happen over night but when LH is getting the 777-9. So LX will keep the 777 for a little while....
 
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Re: Lufthansa Group Fleet Thread - 2021

Thu Jul 08, 2021 1:28 pm

Apologies if this is repetetive, does anyone know the departure date of the 343's from LH's fleet? Seems like end of '22 it would begin.
 
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Re: Lufthansa Group Fleet Thread - 2021

Thu Jul 08, 2021 2:34 pm

More information about the Austrian 787.

Rumor has it that the aircraft will be in a three-class configuration with
- 26 J
- 21 W
- 241 Y

The business class will be a reverse seat and the premium economy will be similar to the usual reclining seats.

OMAA
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Re: Lufthansa Group Fleet Thread - 2021

Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:03 pm

OMAAbound wrote:
More information about the Austrian 787.

Rumor has it that the aircraft will be in a three-class configuration with
- 26 J
- 21 W
- 241 Y

The business class will be a reverse seat and the premium economy will be similar to the usual reclining seats.

OMAA


Reserve seat meaning similar to QSuites and ANA's J?
 
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Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:11 pm

InnsbruckFlyer wrote:
OMAAbound wrote:
More information about the Austrian 787.

Rumor has it that the aircraft will be in a three-class configuration with
- 26 J
- 21 W
- 241 Y

The business class will be a reverse seat and the premium economy will be similar to the usual reclining seats.

OMAA


Reserve seat meaning similar to QSuites and ANA's J?


No - More like Hainan/Vistara seats.

OMAA
 
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Re: Lufthansa Group Fleet Thread - 2021

Thu Jul 08, 2021 4:03 pm

OMAAbound wrote:
InnsbruckFlyer wrote:
OMAAbound wrote:
More information about the Austrian 787.

Rumor has it that the aircraft will be in a three-class configuration with
- 26 J
- 21 W
- 241 Y

The business class will be a reverse seat and the premium economy will be similar to the usual reclining seats.

OMAA


Reserve seat meaning similar to QSuites and ANA's J?


No - More like Hainan/Vistara seats.

OMAA


Would this not make it the highest density layout of any three class 787-8 out there? Rumor has it this might not happen.
 
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Re: Lufthansa Group Fleet Thread - 2021

Thu Jul 08, 2021 4:17 pm

RvA wrote:

Would this not make it the highest density layout of any three class 787-8 out there? Rumor has it this might not happen.


Isn't they actually talking about 787-9, not -8s?
 
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Re: Lufthansa Group Fleet Thread - 2021

Thu Jul 08, 2021 4:21 pm

According to AirfinanceNews, Lufthansa will take over a lease from SMBC to Phillipines Airlines

https://twitter.com/airinsight/status/1 ... 5482358785
 
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Re: Lufthansa Group Fleet Thread - 2021

Thu Jul 08, 2021 4:36 pm

RvA wrote:
OMAAbound wrote:
InnsbruckFlyer wrote:

Reserve seat meaning similar to QSuites and ANA's J?


No - More like Hainan/Vistara seats.

OMAA


Would this not make it the highest density layout of any three class 787-8 out there? Rumor has it this might not happen.


You’re right, this definitely won’t happen!

However, the 787-9 that I’m discussing will do!

OMAA
 
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Thu Jul 08, 2021 5:14 pm

Someone83 wrote:
RvA wrote:

Would this not make it the highest density layout of any three class 787-8 out there? Rumor has it this might not happen.


Isn't they actually talking about 787-9, not -8s?


Yea you are of course correct, ignore me. Too long a day. For 789s that layout would be light on premium but realistic. Thanks for the correction.
 
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Re: Lufthansa Group Fleet Thread - 2021

Thu Jul 08, 2021 5:16 pm

OMAAbound wrote:
RvA wrote:
OMAAbound wrote:

No - More like Hainan/Vistara seats.

OMAA


Would this not make it the highest density layout of any three class 787-8 out there? Rumor has it this might not happen.


You’re right, this definitely won’t happen!

However, the 787-9 that I’m discussing will do!

OMAA


Indeed you’re right. It’d be a decent reduction in business class vs their 777s.
 
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Re: Lufthansa Group Fleet Thread - 2021

Thu Jul 08, 2021 5:54 pm

RvA wrote:
OMAAbound wrote:
RvA wrote:

Would this not make it the highest density layout of any three class 787-8 out there? Rumor has it this might not happen.


You’re right, this definitely won’t happen!

However, the 787-9 that I’m discussing will do!

OMAA


Indeed you’re right. It’d be a decent reduction in business class vs their 777s.


It's pretty comparable to what LOT has on its 789.
 
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Re: Lufthansa Group Fleet Thread - 2021

Thu Jul 08, 2021 6:16 pm

deltatrav wrote:
Apologies if this is repetetive, does anyone know the departure date of the 343's from LH's fleet? Seems like end of '22 it would begin.


Five are supposed to leave when the 346 is coming back next spring.
 
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Re: Lufthansa Group Fleet Thread - 2021

Fri Jul 09, 2021 12:14 am

DUSZRH wrote:
deltatrav wrote:
Apologies if this is repetetive, does anyone know the departure date of the 343's from LH's fleet? Seems like end of '22 it would begin.


Five are supposed to leave when the 346 is coming back next spring.


But aren't those A346 a stop gap measure so LH can offer First Class out of Munich pending the arrival of the new batch of A350 in 2023?
 
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Re: Lufthansa Group Fleet Thread - 2021

Fri Jul 09, 2021 2:08 am

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According to AirfinanceNews, Lufthansa will take over a lease from SMBC to Phillipines Airlines

https://twitter.com/airinsight/status/1 ... 5482358785

This would will either be RP-C3501 or RP-C3503. Just to clarfiy is LH planning to add this airframe into its own fleet or just merely changing ownership of the airframe?
 
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Re: Lufthansa Group Fleet Thread - 2021

Fri Jul 09, 2021 7:43 am

RoyalBrunei757 wrote:
Someone83 wrote:
According to AirfinanceNews, Lufthansa will take over a lease from SMBC to Phillipines Airlines

https://twitter.com/airinsight/status/1 ... 5482358785

This would will either be RP-C3501 or RP-C3503. Just to clarfiy is LH planning to add this airframe into its own fleet or just merely changing ownership of the airframe?

Hard to imagine that LH are doing this just to get into the leasing business. On the other hand, how much work would it take to convert to plane to the LH configuration? I don't really get it either way.
 
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Re: Lufthansa Group Fleet Thread - 2021

Fri Jul 09, 2021 8:20 am

PM wrote:
RoyalBrunei757 wrote:
Someone83 wrote:
According to AirfinanceNews, Lufthansa will take over a lease from SMBC to Phillipines Airlines

https://twitter.com/airinsight/status/1 ... 5482358785

This would will either be RP-C3501 or RP-C3503. Just to clarfiy is LH planning to add this airframe into its own fleet or just merely changing ownership of the airframe?

Hard to imagine that LH are doing this just to get into the leasing business. On the other hand, how much work would it take to convert to plane to the LH configuration? I don't really get it either way.


It will join the FRA fleet. No cabin modification (seats).
 
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Fri Jul 09, 2021 8:48 am

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PM wrote:
RoyalBrunei757 wrote:
This would will either be RP-C3501 or RP-C3503. Just to clarfiy is LH planning to add this airframe into its own fleet or just merely changing ownership of the airframe?

Hard to imagine that LH are doing this just to get into the leasing business. On the other hand, how much work would it take to convert to plane to the LH configuration? I don't really get it either way.


It will join the FRA fleet. No cabin modification (seats).

Thanks. Is this some short-term thing or is it permanent?
 
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Re: Lufthansa Group Fleet Thread - 2021

Fri Jul 09, 2021 10:31 am

Franz (COO) announced that both the leased (2nd hand) A350s and the whitetail 787s won’t get the LH product. It was rumoured that the 5 787s could be moved to another hub (basically OS or WK) once all LH ordered are delivered. This could fit with the refurbishment cycle in 4-6 years anyway. I expect similar with the additional 350s. They stay medium term (3-6years) and if they’ll stay permanent then they’ll get the new LH product then.
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