maverick4002 wrote:

caribny wrote:

INFINITI329 wrote:

I would like to see BW acquire a few (1-3) Max 9/10s for use on their most pouplar routes

Not even sure which their most popular routes are post Covid as T&T remains quiet about reopening, and we do not know what state it will be in when it does. BW has now lost the GEO market. None of its KIN routes can be considered "popular".

Receipts on BW losing GEO?

caribbean484 wrote:

Brickell305 wrote:

baje427 wrote:

Given that AA and B6 are now entrenched in GEO BW can no longer command a premium on their fares .

What evidence is there that B6 is that entrenched? I’m not saying that they’re not doing well but their frequency is more or less the same as BW whereas AA is a daily nonstop. At one point they were serving it twice weekly via SJU. What makes you say B6 is entrenched while BW is not?

In 2008-2009 CAL was getting bids for the replacement of the Dash8 and Bombardier offered Q400 and the Cseries to BW to cover the gap between 70 seats to 160 seats as to where it is now. It will be interesting to know where the strategy plan to address that gap because it will be obvious that there are opportunities, however the 738 might be too large for some routes to get daily flights and the ATR72 may not have the range/payload to do some routes.
It could be in the future BW will look into A220/EJet2 for more optimal market performance.

aa1818 wrote:

baje427 wrote:

Given that AA and B6 are now entrenched in GEO BW can no longer command a premium on their fares .

Not sure that's quite right.
Unlike other territories who may scorn BW, despite some negative press comments in Guyana (the media in Guyana holds nothing back bear in mind so take it with a pinch of salt); BW has loyally served the market. They're not like the other fly-by-night operators of the past.
That said, BW had a virtually monopoly, so charges as any other carrier would have based on demand and supply.
Back when BW served the market, Guyana was not an oil producer and not particularly high up on the visitors' list of places to visit.
Now is a whole different story. Needless to say the market has grown exponentially. While fares certainly have dropped, they are by no means as low as they can be in other competitive markets. So my take is that BW will hold its own just fine and will share the existing as well as expanded market with the other two new carriers. While AA and B6 offer other extras, many Guyanese are Caribbean Miles or Club Caribbean members and I have spoke to many of them who continue to fly BW because of the OGL-BGI and GEO-POS options as there are still strong business connections there.

AA1818

Brickell305 wrote:

Trinidad and Tobago appears to be going into another severe lockdown due to a rising number of COVID-19 cases. This does not appear to bode well for a reopening of the border any time soon.

https://www.looptt.com/content/bars-mal ... strictions

caribny wrote:

To say that "Guyanese are loyal to BW" is a joke.

caribny wrote:

3 airlines competing and guess who is still the most expensive?

caribny wrote:

Please understand something. A Guyanese is a Guyanese NOT a Trinidadian. BW is a TRINIDAD product NOT a Guyanese one. Boarding the plane one sees Trinidadians, NOT Guyanese, so to think that Guyanese will be as loyal to BW as a T&T person will be is beyond silly, but apparently BW thinks so.

gunnerman wrote:

Brickell305 wrote:

Trinidad and Tobago appears to be going into another severe lockdown due to a rising number of COVID-19 cases. This does not appear to bode well for a reopening of the border any time soon.

https://www.looptt.com/content/bars-mal ... strictions

You have to ask yourself what is the GoRTT's plan for getting out of the mess it's in as the border closure (since March 2020) and lockdowns must be considered crude measures which are not a solution, rather they give you time to find a solution. How is it that a test, trace and isolate system to contain the virus has failed, so leading to another lockdown? And as vaccinations are proceeding at a snail's pace, it is hard to see when borders will reopen and flights resume.

caribny wrote:

aa1818 wrote:

baje427 wrote:

Given that AA and B6 are now entrenched in GEO BW can no longer command a premium on their fares .

Not sure that's quite right.
Unlike other territories who may scorn BW, despite some negative press comments in Guyana (the media in Guyana holds nothing back bear in mind so take it with a pinch of salt); BW has loyally served the market. They're not like the other fly-by-night operators of the past.
That said, BW had a virtually monopoly, so charges as any other carrier would have based on demand and supply.
Back when BW served the market, Guyana was not an oil producer and not particularly high up on the visitors' list of places to visit.
Now is a whole different story. Needless to say the market has grown exponentially. While fares certainly have dropped, they are by no means as low as they can be in other competitive markets. So my take is that BW will hold its own just fine and will share the existing as well as expanded market with the other two new carriers. While AA and B6 offer other extras, many Guyanese are Caribbean Miles or Club Caribbean members and I have spoke to many of them who continue to fly BW because of the OGL-BGI and GEO-POS options as there are still strong business connections there.

AA1818

To say that "Guyanese are loyal to BW" is a joke. Until recently Guyanese had a choice of rinky dink charters or BW, so BW had a near monopoly. Now AA and B6 are in the market, and both are now ahead of BW in market penetration. JFK is by far the largest source of travel into GEO. MIA will see growth, and AA will grab all of that. On the JFK B6 has an A321 at 4x while BW is at 3x, and not all of the seats are for GEO. AA is now daily.

3 airlines competing and guess who is still the most expensive? Guyanese opinions of BW are what you see in the papers. Even the BW CEO periodically goes on his "apology" tour in GEO and then does nothing when he returns to his Piarco haunts.. Please understand something. A Guyanese is a Guyanese NOT a Trinidadian. BW is a TRINIDAD product NOT a Guyanese one. Boarding the plane one sees Trinidadians, NOT Guyanese, so to think that Guyanese will be as loyal to BW as a T&T person will be is beyond silly, but apparently BW thinks so.

For YEARS complaints about BW fares, and now that AA and B6 are on the scene, guess who remains the most expense? BW! I tell you the folks at Piarco needs serious mental counselling or are convinced that GEO doesnt matter. And this isnt a $20 gap. Its $150! On what basis does BW expect to get business, especially when people who havent had choice now have 2 other credible carriers to select. And yes the BW FF people are galloping over to AA FF.


Here is the BW talking about JFK GEO and POS KIN being 2 of their best routes and I have heard this mentioned before. Now think why she as a T&T person goes to Jamaica to talk about Guyana. Clearly that GEO JFK route occupies her brain and she isnt the only person to say so.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1grvnZlkqE

BW must learn to understand the market that it has served for decades. So long in the market yet they just refuse to come out of their Ivory Towers at Piarco to understand that people just do not think that BW offers a product that is 40% better than the competition! Soon GEO will be like KIN. Good for POS and BGI and not much else. That is unless BW fixes itself. Maybe T&T folks will pay premium to support their airline but Guyanese will select based on convenience, service, and yes fares. And now that POS will remain closed indefinitely FF preferences will be based on flights to MIA and beyond.

gunnerman wrote:

The only reason that Caribbean Airlines will survive is because of government backing, otherwise it would now be bankrupt. And it's government funding and guarantees to lessors which enabled the airline to recently commit to the dry lease of the 12 MAX 8s.

gunnerman wrote:

The only reason that Caribbean Airlines will survive is because of government backing, otherwise it would now be bankrupt. And it's government funding and guarantees to lessors which enabled the airline to recently commit to the dry lease of the 12 MAX 8s.

gunnerman wrote:

The only reason that Caribbean Airlines will survive is because of government backing, otherwise it would now be bankrupt. And it's government funding and guarantees to lessors which enabled the airline to recently commit to the dry lease of the 12 MAX 8s.

maverick4002 wrote:

caribny wrote:

aa1818 wrote:

Not sure that's quite right.
Unlike other territories who may scorn BW, despite some negative press comments in Guyana (the media in Guyana holds nothing back bear in mind so take it with a pinch of salt); BW has loyally served the market. They're not like the other fly-by-night operators of the past.
That said, BW had a virtually monopoly, so charges as any other carrier would have based on demand and supply.
Back when BW served the market, Guyana was not an oil producer and not particularly high up on the visitors' list of places to visit.
Now is a whole different story. Needless to say the market has grown exponentially. While fares certainly have dropped, they are by no means as low as they can be in other competitive markets. So my take is that BW will hold its own just fine and will share the existing as well as expanded market with the other two new carriers. While AA and B6 offer other extras, many Guyanese are Caribbean Miles or Club Caribbean members and I have spoke to many of them who continue to fly BW because of the OGL-BGI and GEO-POS options as there are still strong business connections there.

AA1818

To say that "Guyanese are loyal to BW" is a joke. Until recently Guyanese had a choice of rinky dink charters or BW, so BW had a near monopoly. Now AA and B6 are in the market, and both are now ahead of BW in market penetration. JFK is by far the largest source of travel into GEO. MIA will see growth, and AA will grab all of that. On the JFK B6 has an A321 at 4x while BW is at 3x, and not all of the seats are for GEO. AA is now daily.

3 airlines competing and guess who is still the most expensive? Guyanese opinions of BW are what you see in the papers. Even the BW CEO periodically goes on his "apology" tour in GEO and then does nothing when he returns to his Piarco haunts.. Please understand something. A Guyanese is a Guyanese NOT a Trinidadian. BW is a TRINIDAD product NOT a Guyanese one. Boarding the plane one sees Trinidadians, NOT Guyanese, so to think that Guyanese will be as loyal to BW as a T&T person will be is beyond silly, but apparently BW thinks so.

For YEARS complaints about BW fares, and now that AA and B6 are on the scene, guess who remains the most expense? BW! I tell you the folks at Piarco needs serious mental counselling or are convinced that GEO doesnt matter. And this isnt a $20 gap. Its $150! On what basis does BW expect to get business, especially when people who havent had choice now have 2 other credible carriers to select. And yes the BW FF people are galloping over to AA FF.


Here is the BW talking about JFK GEO and POS KIN being 2 of their best routes and I have heard this mentioned before. Now think why she as a T&T person goes to Jamaica to talk about Guyana. Clearly that GEO JFK route occupies her brain and she isnt the only person to say so.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1grvnZlkqE

BW must learn to understand the market that it has served for decades. So long in the market yet they just refuse to come out of their Ivory Towers at Piarco to understand that people just do not think that BW offers a product that is 40% better than the competition! Soon GEO will be like KIN. Good for POS and BGI and not much else. That is unless BW fixes itself. Maybe T&T folks will pay premium to support their airline but Guyanese will select based on convenience, service, and yes fares. And now that POS will remain closed indefinitely FF preferences will be based on flights to MIA and beyond.

You have a vendetta against BW dont you? All of your comments are so so critical of them. You are acting as if when B6 and AA dont have monopolies that their prices are not high. It is called capitalism / business, it is what it is. If BW is pricing their flights higher they are probably getting the patronage to break even. I am sure their revenue counters have much more data than you. If they see they are losing business they will adjust accordinglt. Give them some credit for running a competent airline (pre-covid at least).

LimaFoxTango wrote:

maverick4002 wrote:

caribny wrote:

To say that "Guyanese are loyal to BW" is a joke. Until recently Guyanese had a choice of rinky dink charters or BW, so BW had a near monopoly. Now AA and B6 are in the market, and both are now ahead of BW in market penetration. JFK is by far the largest source of travel into GEO. MIA will see growth, and AA will grab all of that. On the JFK B6 has an A321 at 4x while BW is at 3x, and not all of the seats are for GEO. AA is now daily.

3 airlines competing and guess who is still the most expensive? Guyanese opinions of BW are what you see in the papers. Even the BW CEO periodically goes on his "apology" tour in GEO and then does nothing when he returns to his Piarco haunts.. Please understand something. A Guyanese is a Guyanese NOT a Trinidadian. BW is a TRINIDAD product NOT a Guyanese one. Boarding the plane one sees Trinidadians, NOT Guyanese, so to think that Guyanese will be as loyal to BW as a T&T person will be is beyond silly, but apparently BW thinks so.

For YEARS complaints about BW fares, and now that AA and B6 are on the scene, guess who remains the most expense? BW! I tell you the folks at Piarco needs serious mental counselling or are convinced that GEO doesnt matter. And this isnt a $20 gap. Its $150! On what basis does BW expect to get business, especially when people who havent had choice now have 2 other credible carriers to select. And yes the BW FF people are galloping over to AA FF.


Here is the BW talking about JFK GEO and POS KIN being 2 of their best routes and I have heard this mentioned before. Now think why she as a T&T person goes to Jamaica to talk about Guyana. Clearly that GEO JFK route occupies her brain and she isnt the only person to say so.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1grvnZlkqE

BW must learn to understand the market that it has served for decades. So long in the market yet they just refuse to come out of their Ivory Towers at Piarco to understand that people just do not think that BW offers a product that is 40% better than the competition! Soon GEO will be like KIN. Good for POS and BGI and not much else. That is unless BW fixes itself. Maybe T&T folks will pay premium to support their airline but Guyanese will select based on convenience, service, and yes fares. And now that POS will remain closed indefinitely FF preferences will be based on flights to MIA and beyond.

You have a vendetta against BW dont you? All of your comments are so so critical of them. You are acting as if when B6 and AA dont have monopolies that their prices are not high. It is called capitalism / business, it is what it is. If BW is pricing their flights higher they are probably getting the patronage to break even. I am sure their revenue counters have much more data than you. If they see they are losing business they will adjust accordinglt. Give them some credit for running a competent airline (pre-covid at least).

Hate to get in the middle of this fight, but BW has been rather unkind to Guyanese travelers going back decades. It’s either high fares, poor customer service, horrible timed flights and everything routing through POS. Guyanese are known for their duty free liquor purchases and imagine they were forced to dump all every time they transit POS both ways. It’s a pity BW is named Caribbean Airlines, because they are anything but. Everything is very Trinidad focused although there is a minor attempt to fix that. People can tell you of stories in the old BeeWee days of being left stranded in UVF and ANU because they filled up the aircraft ex POS and simply overflew those stops.

aa1818 wrote:

caribny wrote:

To say that "Guyanese are loyal to BW" is a joke.

I'm guessing you don't quite understand quotation marks- someone has to actually say that for you to use them. I never said that. I said that BW will continue to hold their own. I really do dislike being misquoted; read and understand, before such a passionate response! I take it you are Guyanese but living outside?

caribny wrote:

3 airlines competing and guess who is still the most expensive?

Great point- and if an airline is able to maintain a decent load factor, that is actually what the industry calls a yield premium!

caribny wrote:

Please understand something. A Guyanese is a Guyanese NOT a Trinidadian. BW is a TRINIDAD product NOT a Guyanese one. Boarding the plane one sees Trinidadians, NOT Guyanese, so to think that Guyanese will be as loyal to BW as a T&T person will be is beyond silly, but apparently BW thinks so.

Then I guess many, including yourself, will be quite disappointed when they hear the American accents see American crew on AA and B6. Your point makes no sense- but you have passion and venom against CAL/ Trinis- I give you that! As I stated in my previous post, I think BW will hold its own and all three carriers will benefit from the massive increase in traffic that quite frankly warrants all three operating the various routes.

Stop the anti-airline/ anti-country rhetoric and just enjoy aviation- the more variety or airlines, aircraft and routes; the better!

Cheers,
AA1818

GUYAIR707 wrote:

LimaFoxTango wrote:

maverick4002 wrote:

You have a vendetta against BW dont you? All of your comments are so so critical of them. You are acting as if when B6 and AA dont have monopolies that their prices are not high. It is called capitalism / business, it is what it is. If BW is pricing their flights higher they are probably getting the patronage to break even. I am sure their revenue counters have much more data than you. If they see they are losing business they will adjust accordinglt. Give them some credit for running a competent airline (pre-covid at least).

Hate to get in the middle of this fight, but BW has been rather unkind to Guyanese travelers going back decades. It’s either high fares, poor customer service, horrible timed flights and everything routing through POS. Guyanese are known for their duty free liquor purchases and imagine they were forced to dump all every time they transit POS both ways. It’s a pity BW is named Caribbean Airlines, because they are anything but. Everything is very Trinidad focused although there is a minor attempt to fix that. People can tell you of stories in the old BeeWee days of being left stranded in UVF and ANU because they filled up the aircraft ex POS and simply overflew those stops.

I have to say that I have travelled BW more than a “few” times. As a Guyanese I can say they have had issues with their Guyana leg. It is true POS pax are given priority and I have experienced it on more than one occasion. Guyana has always been a distant step relative of Trinidad, not to say they have not been helpful. However, these are different times. Guyana has many opportunities for Trinidadians in the oil sector and its spin-off businesses and, unlike Trinidad, they are welcomed in Guyana without being discriminated against.

Caribbean Airlines has a very good product, and I say that as someone who has travelled on many other carriers. Especially in business class. BW will have to become less POS centered if they want to compete in the Caribbean and to maintain their market share. They continue to have an opportunity but that window may be closing fast.

caribbean484 wrote:

... Forward looking bookings are also looking very healthy for BW with flights for June already at 70% of ASM, and Summer demand between the city pairs are looking very good so far. I believe that they will upload summer to daily by month's end. GEO-YYZ-GEO also seeing 80% load factor so far. When the MAX's arrive on property, my bet is that if POS does not open (more likely now) it will head into GEO with its much better inflight product.

YQBexYHZBGM wrote:

caribbean484 wrote:

... Forward looking bookings are also looking very healthy for BW with flights for June already at 70% of ASM, and Summer demand between the city pairs are looking very good so far. I believe that they will upload summer to daily by month's end. GEO-YYZ-GEO also seeing 80% load factor so far. When the MAX's arrive on property, my bet is that if POS does not open (more likely now) it will head into GEO with its much better inflight product.

Just did a quick check, BW's fare YYZ-GEO for 4 June is $28 less than AA's, and BW is nonstop vs. AA's two stops. Unless I were really desperate for AAdvantage miles or upgrades, guess which one I'd choose? Also kinda surprised AC hasn't figured out there's potential here, at least post-COVID.

9YCAL wrote:

caribbean484 any stats on the Ogle flights?

Caymanair wrote:

The new government in the Cayman Islands appears to be maintaining the pandemic policies of the last one. Borders remain closed, with the following set to continue through end of June:

MIA - 2x weekly on KX
KIN - 1x weekly on KX
LCE - 1x monthly on KX
LHR - 2x monthly on BA

Plus private jets.

smokeybandit wrote:

The Bahamas, for the first time in its history, is assuming management of its sovereign airspace in a move that could yield $300 to $350 million over the next 10 years, according to Tourism and Aviation Minister Dionisio D’Aguilar.

https://ewnews.com/the-skies-are-ours-b ... usha-pitts

YQBexYHZBGM wrote:

caribbean484 wrote:

... Forward looking bookings are also looking very healthy for BW with flights for June already at 70% of ASM, and Summer demand between the city pairs are looking very good so far. I believe that they will upload summer to daily by month's end. GEO-YYZ-GEO also seeing 80% load factor so far. When the MAX's arrive on property, my bet is that if POS does not open (more likely now) it will head into GEO with its much better inflight product.

Just did a quick check, BW's fare YYZ-GEO for 4 June is $28 less than AA's, and BW is nonstop vs. AA's two stops. Unless I were really desperate for AAdvantage miles or upgrades, guess which one I'd choose? Also kinda surprised AC hasn't figured out there's potential here, at least post-COVID.

caribbean484 wrote:

Unless you are an AAdvantage member then taking CAL is a no-brainer, rather than 2 stops in the US.

caribbean484 wrote:

9Y-CAL is outside today.

caribbean484 wrote:

9Y-CAL is outside today.

9YCAL wrote:

caribbean484 any stats on the Ogle flights?

caribbean484 wrote:

9Y-CAL is outside today.

9YCAL wrote:

caribbean484 any stats on the Ogle flights?

Hovering around 40-50%

BWIA 772 wrote:

caribbean484 wrote:

9Y-CAL is outside today.

9YCAL wrote:

caribbean484 any stats on the Ogle flights?

Glad that they didn't put the stripes on the side of the aircraft as the "cosquelle"(garish)mess on the tail is enough. Hope to see the Trinidad and CARICOM flag added.

So are they doing CAL - CAW? Or do they plan on reusing IATA airport code regs as the older aircraft leave the fleet.

Regards
BWIA 772

baje427 wrote:

caribbean484 wrote:

9Y-CAL is outside today.

9YCAL wrote:

caribbean484 any stats on the Ogle flights?

Hovering around 40-50%

Brickell305 wrote:

The conversation about LFs inspired me to look up the BTS statistics on routes where BW competes against US carriers. Keep in mind that these stats have a 6 month delay. Destinations like POS will have latest numbers as at March/April 2020 when the borders closed and flights stopped.

JFK-POS

Jan 2020

B6 5360/7059 - 75.93%
BW 7435/11250 - 66.09%

Feb 2020

B6 6414/8416 - 76.2%
BW 9244/11550 - 80.03%

Mar 2020

B6 1599/4192 - 38.14%
BW 3388/7350 - 46.1%

POS-JFK

Jan 2020

B6 5385/7209 - 74.7%
BW 7327/10950 - 66.9%

Feb 2020

B6 5116/8254 - 61.98%
BW 7384/11850 - 62.31%

Mar 2020

B6 3048/4204 - 72.5%
BW 5345/7200 - 74.24%

MIA-POS

Jan 2020

AA 10383/11524 - 90.1%
BW 3564/4650 - 76.65%

Feb 2020

AA 10665/12384 - 86.12%
BW 3334/4350 - 76.64%

Mar 2020

AA 4166/7224 - 57.67%
BW 1191/2850 - 41.79%

POS-MIA

Jan 2020

AA 9962/11696 - 85.17%
BW 3609/4650 - 77.61%

Feb 2020

AA 9330/12384 - 75.34%
BW 3135/4350 - 72.07%

Mar 2020

AA 5599/7224 - 77.51%
BW 1736/2850 - 60.91%

FLL-POS

Jan 2020

B6 2322/2706 - 85.81%
BW 2652/3750 - 70.72%

Feb 2020

B6 2555/3018 - 84.66%
BW 2853/3750 - 76.08%

Mar 2020

B6 835/1398 - 59.73%
BW 1085/2250 - 48.22%

POS-FLL

Jan 2020

B6 2183/2694 - 81.03%
BW 2191/3750 - 58.43%

Feb 2020

B6 2586/3018 - 85.69%
BW 2496/3750 - 66.56%

Mar 2020

B6 1191/1398 - 85.19%
BW 1613/2250 - 71.69%

JFK-GEO

Jan 2020

AA 3619/5296 - 68.33%
BW 3448/6600 - 52.24%

Feb 2020

AA 3661/4976 - 73.57%
BW 3908/6000 - 65.13%

Mar 2020

AA 1063/2680 - 39.66%
BW 1528/4350 - 35.13%

Oct 2020

BW 260/750 - 34.67%

GEO-JFK

Jan 2020

AA 4057/4988 - 81.33%
BW 4582/6600 - 69.42%

Feb 2020

AA 3587/4988 - 71.91%
BW 3499/5700 - 61.39%

Mar 2020

AA 2029/2852 - 71.14%
BW 2541/4200 - 60.5%

Oct 2020

BW 198/750 - 26.4%


I will do the J'ca routes later as that takes quite a bit more work.

caribbean484 wrote:

Brickell305 wrote:

The conversation about LFs inspired me to look up the BTS statistics on routes where BW competes against US carriers. Keep in mind that these stats have a 6 month delay. Destinations like POS will have latest numbers as at March/April 2020 when the borders closed and flights stopped.

JFK-POS

Jan 2020

B6 5360/7059 - 75.93%
BW 7435/11250 - 66.09%

Feb 2020

B6 6414/8416 - 76.2%
BW 9244/11550 - 80.03%

Mar 2020

B6 1599/4192 - 38.14%
BW 3388/7350 - 46.1%

POS-JFK

Jan 2020

B6 5385/7209 - 74.7%
BW 7327/10950 - 66.9%

Feb 2020

B6 5116/8254 - 61.98%
BW 7384/11850 - 62.31%

Mar 2020

B6 3048/4204 - 72.5%
BW 5345/7200 - 74.24%

MIA-POS

Jan 2020

AA 10383/11524 - 90.1%
BW 3564/4650 - 76.65%

Feb 2020

AA 10665/12384 - 86.12%
BW 3334/4350 - 76.64%

Mar 2020

AA 4166/7224 - 57.67%
BW 1191/2850 - 41.79%

POS-MIA

Jan 2020

AA 9962/11696 - 85.17%
BW 3609/4650 - 77.61%

Feb 2020

AA 9330/12384 - 75.34%
BW 3135/4350 - 72.07%

Mar 2020

AA 5599/7224 - 77.51%
BW 1736/2850 - 60.91%

FLL-POS

Jan 2020

B6 2322/2706 - 85.81%
BW 2652/3750 - 70.72%

Feb 2020

B6 2555/3018 - 84.66%
BW 2853/3750 - 76.08%

Mar 2020

B6 835/1398 - 59.73%
BW 1085/2250 - 48.22%

POS-FLL

Jan 2020

B6 2183/2694 - 81.03%
BW 2191/3750 - 58.43%

Feb 2020

B6 2586/3018 - 85.69%
BW 2496/3750 - 66.56%

Mar 2020

B6 1191/1398 - 85.19%
BW 1613/2250 - 71.69%

JFK-GEO

Jan 2020

AA 3619/5296 - 68.33%
BW 3448/6600 - 52.24%

Feb 2020

AA 3661/4976 - 73.57%
BW 3908/6000 - 65.13%

Mar 2020

AA 1063/2680 - 39.66%
BW 1528/4350 - 35.13%

Oct 2020

BW 260/750 - 34.67%

GEO-JFK

Jan 2020

AA 4057/4988 - 81.33%
BW 4582/6600 - 69.42%

Feb 2020

AA 3587/4988 - 71.91%
BW 3499/5700 - 61.39%

Mar 2020

AA 2029/2852 - 71.14%
BW 2541/4200 - 60.5%

Oct 2020

BW 198/750 - 26.4%


I will do the J'ca routes later as that takes quite a bit more work.

I would be very careful posting Load factors for last year Covid as airlines were blocking middle seats and some first class seats for social distancing.

Brickell305 wrote:

caribbean484 wrote:

Brickell305 wrote:

The conversation about LFs inspired me to look up the BTS statistics on routes where BW competes against US carriers. Keep in mind that these stats have a 6 month delay. Destinations like POS will have latest numbers as at March/April 2020 when the borders closed and flights stopped.

JFK-POS

Jan 2020

B6 5360/7059 - 75.93%
BW 7435/11250 - 66.09%

Feb 2020

B6 6414/8416 - 76.2%
BW 9244/11550 - 80.03%

Mar 2020

B6 1599/4192 - 38.14%
BW 3388/7350 - 46.1%

POS-JFK

Jan 2020

B6 5385/7209 - 74.7%
BW 7327/10950 - 66.9%

Feb 2020

B6 5116/8254 - 61.98%
BW 7384/11850 - 62.31%

Mar 2020

B6 3048/4204 - 72.5%
BW 5345/7200 - 74.24%

MIA-POS

Jan 2020

AA 10383/11524 - 90.1%
BW 3564/4650 - 76.65%

Feb 2020

AA 10665/12384 - 86.12%
BW 3334/4350 - 76.64%

Mar 2020

AA 4166/7224 - 57.67%
BW 1191/2850 - 41.79%

POS-MIA

Jan 2020

AA 9962/11696 - 85.17%
BW 3609/4650 - 77.61%

Feb 2020

AA 9330/12384 - 75.34%
BW 3135/4350 - 72.07%

Mar 2020

AA 5599/7224 - 77.51%
BW 1736/2850 - 60.91%

FLL-POS

Jan 2020

B6 2322/2706 - 85.81%
BW 2652/3750 - 70.72%

Feb 2020

B6 2555/3018 - 84.66%
BW 2853/3750 - 76.08%

Mar 2020

B6 835/1398 - 59.73%
BW 1085/2250 - 48.22%

POS-FLL

Jan 2020

B6 2183/2694 - 81.03%
BW 2191/3750 - 58.43%

Feb 2020

B6 2586/3018 - 85.69%
BW 2496/3750 - 66.56%

Mar 2020

B6 1191/1398 - 85.19%
BW 1613/2250 - 71.69%

JFK-GEO

Jan 2020

AA 3619/5296 - 68.33%
BW 3448/6600 - 52.24%

Feb 2020

AA 3661/4976 - 73.57%
BW 3908/6000 - 65.13%

Mar 2020

AA 1063/2680 - 39.66%
BW 1528/4350 - 35.13%

Oct 2020

BW 260/750 - 34.67%

GEO-JFK

Jan 2020

AA 4057/4988 - 81.33%
BW 4582/6600 - 69.42%

Feb 2020

AA 3587/4988 - 71.91%
BW 3499/5700 - 61.39%

Mar 2020

AA 2029/2852 - 71.14%
BW 2541/4200 - 60.5%

Oct 2020

BW 198/750 - 26.4%


I will do the J'ca routes later as that takes quite a bit more work.

I would be very careful posting Load factors for last year Covid as airlines were blocking middle seats and some first class seats for social distancing.

That is true. Though most of these numbers run through March 2020 which was well before seat blocking policies went in to effect on any airline. We get to see two "normal" months in Jan/Feb 2020 and then March where the pandemic began to affect travel

As of July 1, the island of Cozumel will again see the arrival of a direct Madrid-Cozumel flight by Evelop-Iberojet. Cozumel mayor Pedro Joaquín Delbouis points out that this connection will unite Europe with Cozumel again after 15 years.

“We are acting in Cozumel with great responsibility. Today, I can say that we have left behind the most critical moments of the pandemic,” said Delbouis.

Paul Verhagen, Deputy Director General of Iberojet confirmed that as of July 1, they will fly to Cozumel from Barajas Airport in Madrid with an Airbus 330 and a capacity of 388 passengers. The flight is scheduled to be a weekly frequency.

He said that during the summer months, 11 or 12 flights are planned, but “if the demand responds, we will extend that period. It will be the only non-stop flight between Madrid and Cozumel, which will connect Spain with Quintana Roo,” he said.

THE HAGUE

Curaçao wants to conclude (new) aviation treaties with no fewer than 34 countries. Sint Maarten is a bit more modest with 10 countries. This is evident from an overview that Minister Stef Blok of Foreign Affairs has sent to the Second Chamber of the Dutch Parliament today.

International treaties are a matter of the kingdom with the other countries conducted by the Dutch Ministry of Foreign Affairs. The list sent by Minister Blok to the Chamber includes the countries with which negotiations were underway on 1 April.

In addition to several countries in the region such as Colombia and Trinidad, Curaçao also wants to make treaties with Gambia, Ghana, the Seychelles, Vietnam and Iceland, among others. The wish list of Sint Maarten includes Qatar, Luxembourg and also Iceland.

baje427 wrote:

With a different font on the Caribbean this livery could have worked. Any word on the in flight product as yet?

TriniA340 wrote:

baje427 wrote:

With a different font on the Caribbean this livery could have worked. Any word on the in flight product as yet?

Colourful seat accents. Seatback screens in J only. BYOD in Y.

caribbean484 wrote:

9Y-CAL is outside today.

caribbean484 wrote:

9Y-CAL is outside today.

9YCAL wrote:

caribbean484 any stats on the Ogle flights?

Hovering around 40-50%

INFINITI329 wrote:

This one is boring. I would be ok with the new hummingbird on the old livery

maverick4002 wrote:

You have a vendetta against BW dont you? All of your comments are so so critical of them. You are acting as if when B6 and AA dont have monopolies that their prices are not high. It is called capitalism / business, it is what it is. If BW is pricing their flights higher they are probably getting the patronage to break even. I am sure their revenue counters have much more data than you. If they see they are losing business they will adjust accordinglt. Give them some credit for running a competent airline (pre-covid at least).

Brickell305 wrote:

The conversation about LFs inspired me to look up the BTS statistics on routes where BW competes against US carriers. Keep in mind that these stats have a 6 month delay. Destinations like POS will have latest numbers as at March/April 2020 when the borders closed and flights stopped.

JFK-POS

Jan 2020

B6 5360/7059 - 75.93%
BW 7435/11250 - 66.09%

Feb 2020

B6 6414/8416 - 76.2%
BW 9244/11550 - 80.03%

Mar 2020

B6 1599/4192 - 38.14%
BW 3388/7350 - 46.1%

POS-JFK

Jan 2020

B6 5385/7209 - 74.7%
BW 7327/10950 - 66.9%

Feb 2020

B6 5116/8254 - 61.98%
BW 7384/11850 - 62.31%

Mar 2020

B6 3048/4204 - 72.5%
BW 5345/7200 - 74.24%

MIA-POS

Jan 2020

AA 10383/11524 - 90.1%
BW 3564/4650 - 76.65%

Feb 2020

AA 10665/12384 - 86.12%
BW 3334/4350 - 76.64%

Mar 2020

AA 4166/7224 - 57.67%
BW 1191/2850 - 41.79%

POS-MIA

Jan 2020

AA 9962/11696 - 85.17%
BW 3609/4650 - 77.61%

Feb 2020

AA 9330/12384 - 75.34%
BW 3135/4350 - 72.07%

Mar 2020

AA 5599/7224 - 77.51%
BW 1736/2850 - 60.91%

FLL-POS

Jan 2020

B6 2322/2706 - 85.81%
BW 2652/3750 - 70.72%

Feb 2020

B6 2555/3018 - 84.66%
BW 2853/3750 - 76.08%

Mar 2020

B6 835/1398 - 59.73%
BW 1085/2250 - 48.22%

POS-FLL

Jan 2020

B6 2183/2694 - 81.03%
BW 2191/3750 - 58.43%

Feb 2020

B6 2586/3018 - 85.69%
BW 2496/3750 - 66.56%

Mar 2020

B6 1191/1398 - 85.19%
BW 1613/2250 - 71.69%

JFK-GEO

Jan 2020

AA 3619/5296 - 68.33%
BW 3448/6600 - 52.24%

Feb 2020

AA 3661/4976 - 73.57%
BW 3908/6000 - 65.13%

Mar 2020

AA 1063/2680 - 39.66%
BW 1528/4350 - 35.13%

Oct 2020

BW 260/750 - 34.67%

GEO-JFK

Jan 2020

AA 4057/4988 - 81.33%
BW 4582/6600 - 69.42%

Feb 2020

AA 3587/4988 - 71.91%
BW 3499/5700 - 61.39%

Mar 2020

AA 2029/2852 - 71.14%
BW 2541/4200 - 60.5%

Oct 2020

BW 198/750 - 26.4%


I will do the J'ca routes later as that takes quite a bit more work.

caribny wrote:

maverick4002 wrote:

You have a vendetta against BW dont you? All of your comments are so so critical of them. You are acting as if when B6 and AA dont have monopolies that their prices are not high. It is called capitalism / business, it is what it is. If BW is pricing their flights higher they are probably getting the patronage to break even. I am sure their revenue counters have much more data than you. If they see they are losing business they will adjust accordinglt. Give them some credit for running a competent airline (pre-covid at least).

I never said that BW was a bad airline. My problem is the Trinicentric arrogance of its management which it inherited from BWIA. If an important market has complaints about the product that you provide you respond. BW didnt and so now B6 and AA are eating their dinner.

For years Bajans and others complained about BWIA overflying their islands when they were overbooked out of POS. An annual event at BGI after Crop Over was Bajans complaining about being abandoned when BWIA arrived from POS full with passengers to JFK (over booked) and then stranding Bajans who had booked seats months before. Reported in the Bajan papers. And yes BWIA used to have a solid cadre of "loyal" Bajans but they lost them. We will see if BW will get them back now they are struggling with a weekly JFK BGI service.

Look, BW is a trinidad airline. Trinidad provides the funds so it will be Trini centric. You dont like it, then got to AA and B6 who are Americna focused. Six of one half a dozen of the other. And you are delusional if you think those two airlines came to GEO because of BW's bad product and that they care so much about Guyana. THEY ARE THERE ONLY BECUASE OF THE NEW FOUND OIL RESERVES. And I'd like some receipts about B6/AA eating BW's dinner in GEO right now?


When they took over Air Jamaica's routes Jamaicans were forced to wait for HOURS at JFK while they saw planes taking off ON TIME for POS. What a bad first impression that reinforced their skepticism. Now BW is marginal on the JFK KIN, the only North American route left out of Jamaica. They are now begging back into JFK BGI and I bet that Mia Motley is not given them a cent for this route.

All this not because BW is a bad carrier. To the contrary its inflight service is well regarded, despite its suboptimal IFE. Its the management parked at Piarco who are to blame.


I will suggest to you that if BW has only 3 out of 14 flights ex JFK to GEO, when they once had 10 out of 12 then BW could NOT be doing well. Yes this is business. When a company uses its monopoly to exploit the market it makes it easy for others to enter. Its all business and not an anti T&T vendetta.


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caribny wrote:

maverick4002 wrote:

You have a vendetta against BW dont you? All of your comments are so so critical of them. You are acting as if when B6 and AA dont have monopolies that their prices are not high. It is called capitalism / business, it is what it is. If BW is pricing their flights higher they are probably getting the patronage to break even. I am sure their revenue counters have much more data than you. If they see they are losing business they will adjust accordinglt. Give them some credit for running a competent airline (pre-covid at least).

I never said that BW was a bad airline. My problem is the Trinicentric arrogance of its management which it inherited from BWIA. If an important market has complaints about the product that you provide you respond. BW didnt and so now B6 and AA are eating their dinner.

For years Bajans and others complained about BWIA overflying their islands when they were overbooked out of POS. An annual event at BGI after Crop Over was Bajans complaining about being abandoned when BWIA arrived from POS full with passengers to JFK (over booked) and then stranding Bajans who had booked seats months before. Reported in the Bajan papers. And yes BWIA used to have a solid cadre of "loyal" Bajans but they lost them. We will see if BW will get them back now they are struggling with a weekly JFK BGI service.

Also, not to be captain obvious here, but there is this thing called COVID. Everyone is running reduced schedules and due to BW's nature, the routing of their aircraft to GEO might be a bit more complicated than the US airlines who can fly direct from their hubs. And while missteps are made by every company, miss me with than nonsense about the Jamaican market. They never wanted to support a Trini airline, regardless of what happened in your JFK example.
When they took over Air Jamaica's routes Jamaicans were forced to wait for HOURS at JFK while they saw planes taking off ON TIME for POS. What a bad first impression that reinforced their skepticism. Now BW is marginal on the JFK KIN, the only North American route left out of Jamaica. They are now begging back into JFK BGI and I bet that Mia Motley is not given them a cent for this route.

All this not because BW is a bad carrier. To the contrary its inflight service is well regarded, despite its suboptimal IFE. Its the management parked at Piarco who are to blame.


I will suggest to you that if BW has only 3 out of 14 flights ex JFK to GEO, when they once had 10 out of 12 then BW could NOT be doing well. Yes this is business. When a company uses its monopoly to exploit the market it makes it easy for others to enter. Its all business and not an anti T&T vendetta.


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