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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2021

Wed Aug 25, 2021 5:34 pm

Can anybody tell why since 2019 divi divi air of curacao permanently stopped all boeing737ceo flights to sint maarten in cooperation with corendon airlines? Corendon never came back to Curacao even after the comback of the boeing 737 Max type .

Will Divi Divi Air ever fly Curacao-Sint Maarten flight again?

https://curacao.nu/corendon-jet-terug-n ... ternatief/
 
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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2021

Wed Aug 25, 2021 6:10 pm

caribny wrote:
embraer175e2 wrote:
We can expect intercaribbean airways in Curacao and Aruba by the end of 2021.

Celebrating 26 years of service in February 2018, interCaribbean Airways is a regional airline based in Providenciales, The Turks & Caicos Islands. With a hub in Providenciales connecting to cities in the Dominican Republic, Jamaica, Bahamas, Haiti, Puerto Rico, Cuba, Antigua and the British Virgin Islands, Dominica and St Lucia. New schedule services to Aruba, Curacao, Trinidad and Guyana are imminent.

Quote from their website :"The introduction of ERJ145 jets debuts into service in July 2018 giving the company the ability to operate longer flights with higher seating capacity. The goal of connecting more of..."



JY is a very entrepreneurial airline which believes in ultra optimistic messaging. This means that they jump into markets or promise airlift that they are unable to deliver. As of now they are only operating a fraction of what they did 2 years ago due to Covid. I cannot imagine that they are in great shape given the sharp decline in intra regional travel and restrictions in work permits being issued to intra regional migrants, given the difficulties in tourism. We will see if they can full resume their services later this year as their schedule suggests that they plan to. Cuba remains virtually closed, and that is a big market for them.


This means that they jump into markets or promise airlift that they are unable to deliver.

Can you give examples of the above said?
 
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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2021

Thu Aug 26, 2021 3:51 pm

In september2021 American Airlines will start direct Miami-Surinam flights using the Airbus319.

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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2021

Fri Aug 27, 2021 6:32 pm

caribbean484 wrote:
BWIA 772 wrote:
caribbean484 wrote:

My understanding is that 9Y-GUY has been delivered to BW/ALC and is in PAE getting the Caribbean painted underneath the a/c and some other mods. The VP of Engineering and Chief Pilots were in RNT to take delivery of the a/c and it's supposed to be in POS in September. CAL is still being tested but it should also be ready for delivery.
I am not sure if BW is waiting for more NGs contracts to expire to take MAXs in, but they have been there longer than anticipated. I was told they were to be in POS in July.


Will they be putting the rainbow swirl as well? Did BW invest anything extra in their hard product on these new birds. Hopefully the fabric choice for the economy seats is more like the ATR than the original 737NG.

Regards


I can confirm no Rainbow swirl will be placed on the MAXs, only the ATRs will be getting these.
I can't confirm much anything on the hard and soft product, however all that I got was there will be an upgrade (Obviously). The last rumor I heard was F gets PTVs and Y is BYOD.


Heard Business Class is gaining an extra row.

And Caribbean Plus is getting smaller.

Apparently the 12 seats is to few for Toronto & Miami
Will see.
 
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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2021

Fri Aug 27, 2021 6:53 pm

 
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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2021

Sat Aug 28, 2021 7:44 am

embraer175e2 wrote:
caribny wrote:
embraer175e2 wrote:
We can expect intercaribbean airways in Curacao and Aruba by the end of 2021.

Celebrating 26 years of service in February 2018, interCaribbean Airways is a regional airline based in Providenciales, The Turks & Caicos Islands. With a hub in Providenciales connecting to cities in the Dominican Republic, Jamaica, Bahamas, Haiti, Puerto Rico, Cuba, Antigua and the British Virgin Islands, Dominica and St Lucia. New schedule services to Aruba, Curacao, Trinidad and Guyana are imminent.

Quote from their website :"The introduction of ERJ145 jets debuts into service in July 2018 giving the company the ability to operate longer flights with higher seating capacity. The goal of connecting more of..."



JY is a very entrepreneurial airline which believes in ultra optimistic messaging. This means that they jump into markets or promise airlift that they are unable to deliver. As of now they are only operating a fraction of what they did 2 years ago due to Covid. I cannot imagine that they are in great shape given the sharp decline in intra regional travel and restrictions in work permits being issued to intra regional migrants, given the difficulties in tourism. We will see if they can full resume their services later this year as their schedule suggests that they plan to. Cuba remains virtually closed, and that is a big market for them.


This means that they jump into markets or promise airlift that they are unable to deliver.

Can you give examples of the above said?


CUR and AUA as an example several years ago. USVI being another. SXM has seen them move in and out. SDQ they are now down to only flights to PLS and EIS when they were attempting a hub sometime ago. And now with Covid only a few routes have frequencies which are sustainable. It will be interesting to see what their aircraft utilization rates now are and how this has financially impacted them. It is a very ambitious airline but sometimes grows faster than it can support. Check their TripAdvisor reviews as an example.

I wouldnt get too excited about their talk of expansion. If bigger and more established Caribbean carriers are hurting JY must be as well, especially as most of their routes are quite thin. I do not see intraregional travel returning for just now. Cuba was a good market for them, but will probably remain closed for the time being. Tough times and they do not have gov't support.
 
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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2021

Sat Aug 28, 2021 12:26 pm

3S flights are all cancelled for today. Both DHC6 and ATR flights. Unsure as to the exact reason but most likely something CAA related. No end date either
 
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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2021

Sat Aug 28, 2021 2:36 pm

DGAC has grounded 3S because of errors in mx reporting, parts and inspections. They must review their mx plan and get it approved by DGAC to get their AOC returned to service.
 
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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2021

Sat Aug 28, 2021 2:59 pm

fowlr29 wrote:
DGAC has grounded 3S because of errors in mx reporting, parts and inspections. They must review their mx plan and get it approved by DGAC to get their AOC returned to service.

Oh wow. I hope they get that sorted out quickly.
 
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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2021

Sat Aug 28, 2021 4:07 pm

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fowlr29 wrote:
DGAC has grounded 3S because of errors in mx reporting, parts and inspections. They must review their mx plan and get it approved by DGAC to get their AOC returned to service.


Who is 3s?
Also you know why Divi Divi air permanently quit their Curacao Sint maarten and Curacao-Sao Poalo operations withthe wetleased coredon boeing737?
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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2021

Sat Aug 28, 2021 4:09 pm

Why are Bahamas Air Liat and Caribbean Airlines always losing money? Are they too big?
 
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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2021

Sat Aug 28, 2021 4:58 pm

embraer175e2 wrote:
[code][/code]
fowlr29 wrote:
DGAC has grounded 3S because of errors in mx reporting, parts and inspections. They must review their mx plan and get it approved by DGAC to get their AOC returned to service.


Who is 3s?
Also you know why Divi Divi air permanently quit their Curacao Sint maarten and Curacao-Sao Poalo operations withthe wetleased coredon boeing737?


Air Antilles Express.
 
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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2021

Sat Aug 28, 2021 5:22 pm

embraer175e2 wrote:
Why are Bahamas Air Liat and Caribbean Airlines always losing money? Are they too big?


BW has had periods where it made money especially in recent years pre-pandemic. With regard to all of the airlines you mentioned though, the issue is structural more than anything else. Each airline is tasked primarily with providing essential airlift for their respective countries/regions (BW - T&T, LI - Eastern Caribbean, UP - The Bahamas). In the case of LI, that means flying a lot of thin routes with high frequencies to keep the region connected. In UP's case, it means flying to the Bahamas biggest source markets in the US and facing stiff competition from American carriers where most of the demand is ex-USA. Also, they have to fly a lot of thin intra-Bahamian routes with high frequencies to keep those islands connected. In the case of BW, they fare the best as Trinidad itself is a fairly large outbound market. However, they still face significant competition on their routes to/from the US, especially now with GEO attracting more service. They fly less of the thin intra-regional routes so that is less of a factor. Though they also fly the POS-TAB airbridge which is quite demanding both operationally and economically.

All three airlines face the issues noted above (and more) in a fairly high cost environment in the Caribbean with limited economies of scale. I wouldn't deign to say that any of them is too big as one could easily make the opposite argument in each case. They each just face structural issues that make it difficult for them to be profitable on an ongoing basis.
 
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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2021

Sat Aug 28, 2021 5:55 pm

embraer175e2 wrote:
Why are Bahamas Air Liat and Caribbean Airlines always losing money? Are they too big?



Caribbean Airlines was actually generating operating profits prior to the pandemic. 2019, and maybe 2018 as well. This was before debt service was factored in.

Some will say that the reason was political interference, but then the private carriers were no more profitable. With small markets and high travel taxes maybe the Caribbean just isnt a zone for profit in the intraregional markets and competing against the majors is tough. Only BW and KX (Cayman) do this
 
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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2021

Sat Aug 28, 2021 6:44 pm

Brickell305 wrote:
embraer175e2 wrote:
Why are Bahamas Air Liat and Caribbean Airlines always losing money? Are they too big?


BW has had periods where it made money especially in recent years pre-pandemic. With regard to all of the airlines you mentioned though, the issue is structural more than anything else. Each airline is tasked primarily with providing essential airlift for their respective countries/regions (BW - T&T, LI - Eastern Caribbean, UP - The Bahamas). In the case of LI, that means flying a lot of thin routes with high frequencies to keep the region connected. In UP's case, it means flying to the Bahamas biggest source markets in the US and facing stiff competition from American carriers where most of the demand is ex-USA. Also, they have to fly a lot of thin intra-Bahamian routes with high frequencies to keep those islands connected. In the case of BW, they fare the best as Trinidad itself is a fairly large outbound market. However, they still face significant competition on their routes to/from the US, especially now with GEO attracting more service. They fly less of the thin intra-regional routes so that is less of a factor. Though they also fly the POS-TAB airbridge which is quite demanding both operationally and economically.

All three airlines face the issues noted above (and more) in a fairly high cost environment in the Caribbean with limited economies of scale. I wouldn't deign to say that any of them is too big as one could easily make the opposite argument in each case. They each just face structural issues that make it difficult for them to be profitable on an ongoing basis.



Good points. The challenge are fragmented markets with varying aviation policies and lack of economies of scale. Also an issue of aircraft availability. LI probably needed planes with a 30 seat capacity, rather than 48/68. This allowing supply of seats to more closely match demand. But who is making 30 seat planes now? LI is too small to make demands on manufacturers and parts suppliers and can ill afford the operating challenges that running ageing planes entails.

BW is competing against the majors but with its small fragmented markets and the open sky policies of most Caribbean nations it cannot form the types of alliances with majors that larger entities like LATAM and Avianca have been able to accomplish. POS has a much smaller feeder market than does PTY and its less favored geographically, do it cannot grow in the way that CM (another carrier with a small core market) did.

So it is limited to the P2P markets as it cannot develop hubs in North America. It is therefore dependent on the VFR market near its gateways and indications are that this is no longer a growing segment. The VFR populations are moving beyond the YYZ/NYC gateways and so BW has a declining ability to service them. Generational changes also means that the people who once insisted on using BWIA (because it safe and the food good and the cabin attendants radiate Caribbean warmth) are being replaced by their US raised kids less sentimental for things Caribbean.

We will see if BW and KX can readjust to a post pandemic world. These are the only 2 Caribbean carriers which can take on the majors. The rest are left for regional services (in the case of UP regional includes service to Florida).
 
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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2021

Sat Aug 28, 2021 8:13 pm

Brickell305 wrote:
embraer175e2 wrote:
Why are Bahamas Air Liat and Caribbean Airlines always losing money? Are they too big?


BW has had periods where it made money especially in recent years pre-pandemic. With regard to all of the airlines you mentioned though, the issue is structural more than anything else. Each airline is tasked primarily with providing essential airlift for their respective countries/regions (BW - T&T, LI - Eastern Caribbean, UP - The Bahamas). In the case of LI, that means flying a lot of thin routes with high frequencies to keep the region connected. In UP's case, it means flying to the Bahamas biggest source markets in the US and facing stiff competition from American carriers where most of the demand is ex-USA. Also, they have to fly a lot of thin intra-Bahamian routes with high frequencies to keep those islands connected. In the case of BW, they fare the best as Trinidad itself is a fairly large outbound market. However, they still face significant competition on their routes to/from the US, especially now with GEO attracting more service. They fly less of the thin intra-regional routes so that is less of a factor. Though they also fly the POS-TAB airbridge which is quite demanding both operationally and economically.

All three airlines face the issues noted above (and more) in a fairly high cost environment in the Caribbean with limited economies of scale. I wouldn't deign to say that any of them is too big as one could easily make the opposite argument in each case. They each just face structural issues that make it difficult for them to be profitable on an ongoing basis.


I think that 2-3 lower capacity embraer175 aircraft better for Bahamas Air then the 4 older and higher capacity 737 they are flying, for competing against major airlines.
I also see american using the embraer succesfully on the Bahamas.
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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2021

Sat Aug 28, 2021 8:15 pm

caribny wrote:
Brickell305 wrote:
embraer175e2 wrote:
Why are Bahamas Air Liat and Caribbean Airlines always losing money? Are they too big?


BW has had periods where it made money especially in recent years pre-pandemic. With regard to all of the airlines you mentioned though, the issue is structural more than anything else. Each airline is tasked primarily with providing essential airlift for their respective countries/regions (BW - T&T, LI - Eastern Caribbean, UP - The Bahamas). In the case of LI, that means flying a lot of thin routes with high frequencies to keep the region connected. In UP's case, it means flying to the Bahamas biggest source markets in the US and facing stiff competition from American carriers where most of the demand is ex-USA. Also, they have to fly a lot of thin intra-Bahamian routes with high frequencies to keep those islands connected. In the case of BW, they fare the best as Trinidad itself is a fairly large outbound market. However, they still face significant competition on their routes to/from the US, especially now with GEO attracting more service. They fly less of the thin intra-regional routes so that is less of a factor. Though they also fly the POS-TAB airbridge which is quite demanding both operationally and economically.

All three airlines face the issues noted above (and more) in a fairly high cost environment in the Caribbean with limited economies of scale. I wouldn't deign to say that any of them is too big as one could easily make the opposite argument in each case. They each just face structural issues that make it difficult for them to be profitable on an ongoing basis.



Good points. The challenge are fragmented markets with varying aviation policies and lack of economies of scale. Also an issue of aircraft availability. LI probably needed planes with a 30 seat capacity, rather than 48/68. This allowing supply of seats to more closely match demand. But who is making 30 seat planes now? LI is too small to make demands on manufacturers and parts suppliers and can ill afford the operating challenges that running ageing planes entails.

BW is competing against the majors but with its small fragmented markets and the open sky policies of most Caribbean nations it cannot form the types of alliances with majors that larger entities like LATAM and Avianca have been able to accomplish. POS has a much smaller feeder market than does PTY and its less favored geographically, do it cannot grow in the way that CM (another carrier with a small core market) did.

So it is limited to the P2P markets as it cannot develop hubs in North America. It is therefore dependent on the VFR market near its gateways and indications are that this is no longer a growing segment. The VFR populations are moving beyond the YYZ/NYC gateways and so BW has a declining ability to service them. Generational changes also means that the people who once insisted on using BWIA (because it safe and the food good and the cabin attendants radiate Caribbean warmth) are being replaced by their US raised kids less sentimental for things Caribbean.

We will see if BW and KX can readjust to a post pandemic world. These are the only 2 Caribbean carriers which can take on the majors. The rest are left for regional services (in the case of UP regional includes service to Florida).


Nobody is making 30 seaters anymore. Thats a pity. I saw on wikipidia that Liat Airline is not using the Atr72 anymore only the atr42???

Caribbean Airlines has 12 737max8 jets on order. They have by far the biggest jet aircraft fleet in the Caribbean. Maybe too big for an island of only 1 million habitants???
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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2021

Sat Aug 28, 2021 8:16 pm

embraer175e2 wrote:
Brickell305 wrote:
embraer175e2 wrote:
Why are Bahamas Air Liat and Caribbean Airlines always losing money? Are they too big?


BW has had periods where it made money especially in recent years pre-pandemic. With regard to all of the airlines you mentioned though, the issue is structural more than anything else. Each airline is tasked primarily with providing essential airlift for their respective countries/regions (BW - T&T, LI - Eastern Caribbean, UP - The Bahamas). In the case of LI, that means flying a lot of thin routes with high frequencies to keep the region connected. In UP's case, it means flying to the Bahamas biggest source markets in the US and facing stiff competition from American carriers where most of the demand is ex-USA. Also, they have to fly a lot of thin intra-Bahamian routes with high frequencies to keep those islands connected. In the case of BW, they fare the best as Trinidad itself is a fairly large outbound market. However, they still face significant competition on their routes to/from the US, especially now with GEO attracting more service. They fly less of the thin intra-regional routes so that is less of a factor. Though they also fly the POS-TAB airbridge which is quite demanding both operationally and economically.

All three airlines face the issues noted above (and more) in a fairly high cost environment in the Caribbean with limited economies of scale. I wouldn't deign to say that any of them is too big as one could easily make the opposite argument in each case. They each just face structural issues that make it difficult for them to be profitable on an ongoing basis.


I think that 2-3 lower capacity embraer175 aircraft better for Bahamas Air then the 4 older and higher capacity 737 they are flying, for competing against major airlines.
I also see american using the embraer succesfully on the Bahamas.
 
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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2021

Sun Aug 29, 2021 12:27 am

embraer175e2 wrote:
caribny wrote:
Brickell305 wrote:

BW has had periods where it made money especially in recent years pre-pandemic. With regard to all of the airlines you mentioned though, the issue is structural more than anything else. Each airline is tasked primarily with providing essential airlift for their respective countries/regions (BW - T&T, LI - Eastern Caribbean, UP - The Bahamas). In the case of LI, that means flying a lot of thin routes with high frequencies to keep the region connected. In UP's case, it means flying to the Bahamas biggest source markets in the US and facing stiff competition from American carriers where most of the demand is ex-USA. Also, they have to fly a lot of thin intra-Bahamian routes with high frequencies to keep those islands connected. In the case of BW, they fare the best as Trinidad itself is a fairly large outbound market. However, they still face significant competition on their routes to/from the US, especially now with GEO attracting more service. They fly less of the thin intra-regional routes so that is less of a factor. Though they also fly the POS-TAB airbridge which is quite demanding both operationally and economically.

All three airlines face the issues noted above (and more) in a fairly high cost environment in the Caribbean with limited economies of scale. I wouldn't deign to say that any of them is too big as one could easily make the opposite argument in each case. They each just face structural issues that make it difficult for them to be profitable on an ongoing basis.



Good points. The challenge are fragmented markets with varying aviation policies and lack of economies of scale. Also an issue of aircraft availability. LI probably needed planes with a 30 seat capacity, rather than 48/68. This allowing supply of seats to more closely match demand. But who is making 30 seat planes now? LI is too small to make demands on manufacturers and parts suppliers and can ill afford the operating challenges that running ageing planes entails.

BW is competing against the majors but with its small fragmented markets and the open sky policies of most Caribbean nations it cannot form the types of alliances with majors that larger entities like LATAM and Avianca have been able to accomplish. POS has a much smaller feeder market than does PTY and its less favored geographically, do it cannot grow in the way that CM (another carrier with a small core market) did.

So it is limited to the P2P markets as it cannot develop hubs in North America. It is therefore dependent on the VFR market near its gateways and indications are that this is no longer a growing segment. The VFR populations are moving beyond the YYZ/NYC gateways and so BW has a declining ability to service them. Generational changes also means that the people who once insisted on using BWIA (because it safe and the food good and the cabin attendants radiate Caribbean warmth) are being replaced by their US raised kids less sentimental for things Caribbean.

We will see if BW and KX can readjust to a post pandemic world. These are the only 2 Caribbean carriers which can take on the majors. The rest are left for regional services (in the case of UP regional includes service to Florida).


Nobody is making 30 seaters anymore. Thats a pity. I saw on wikipidia that Liat Airline is not using the Atr72 anymore only the atr42???

Caribbean Airlines has 12 737max8 jets on order. They have by far the biggest jet aircraft fleet in the Caribbean. Maybe too big for an island of only 1 million habitants???

With regard to BW, keep in mind that while its primary market is POS, that is not its only inter-regional gateway. BW also serves KIN/MBJ/GEO-USA. There are also some flights to other E. Caribbean islands to the US e.g. TAB & SVD but those are generally very low frequency so don’t demand additional investment in aircraft. BW also uses its jets for intra-regional services, primarily the POS-KIN milk runs, GEO, PBM and BGI but also on flights to places like HAV and CUR. The Max order was placed at a time that BW was serving the following N. America routes daily (or close to it) and in some instances multiple times daily:

POS-FLL/JFK/MIA/YYZ
KIN-FLL/JFK/YYZ
GEO-JFK

This in addition to the routes they flew seasonally or with few frequencies per week:

POS-MCO
KIN-MCO
GEO-YYZ

Then there are the regional routes that flew daily on jets or close to it to take into account:

POS-KIN/BGI/GEO/PBM

And then factor in the ones they flew less frequently or seasonally. And keep in mind that BW had plans to expand at the time the order was made. Plans that would have included additional frequencies to places like MIA/YYZ and new destinations like IAH.

It’s easy to look at the aviation world now post-pandemic and say that BW was being too ambitious. It might have even been worth it to question that ambition pre-pandemic but BW at the time had a good base in POS, a strong GEO and could keep its head afloat in KIN. That has all changed. GEO is now uber-competitive, POS is just getting back on its feet after border re-opening and B6 is now going all out in KIN. It might be wise to rethink that order and any future plans the airline may have.
 
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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2021

Sun Aug 29, 2021 2:16 am

Brickell305 wrote:
embraer175e2 wrote:
caribny wrote:


Good points. The challenge are fragmented markets with varying aviation policies and lack of economies of scale. Also an issue of aircraft availability. LI probably needed planes with a 30 seat capacity, rather than 48/68. This allowing supply of seats to more closely match demand. But who is making 30 seat planes now? LI is too small to make demands on manufacturers and parts suppliers and can ill afford the operating challenges that running ageing planes entails.

BW is competing against the majors but with its small fragmented markets and the open sky policies of most Caribbean nations it cannot form the types of alliances with majors that larger entities like LATAM and Avianca have been able to accomplish. POS has a much smaller feeder market than does PTY and its less favored geographically, do it cannot grow in the way that CM (another carrier with a small core market) did.

So it is limited to the P2P markets as it cannot develop hubs in North America. It is therefore dependent on the VFR market near its gateways and indications are that this is no longer a growing segment. The VFR populations are moving beyond the YYZ/NYC gateways and so BW has a declining ability to service them. Generational changes also means that the people who once insisted on using BWIA (because it safe and the food good and the cabin attendants radiate Caribbean warmth) are being replaced by their US raised kids less sentimental for things Caribbean.

We will see if BW and KX can readjust to a post pandemic world. These are the only 2 Caribbean carriers which can take on the majors. The rest are left for regional services (in the case of UP regional includes service to Florida).


Nobody is making 30 seaters anymore. Thats a pity. I saw on wikipidia that Liat Airline is not using the Atr72 anymore only the atr42???

Caribbean Airlines has 12 737max8 jets on order. They have by far the biggest jet aircraft fleet in the Caribbean. Maybe too big for an island of only 1 million habitants???

With regard to BW, keep in mind that while its primary market is POS, that is not its only inter-regional gateway. BW also serves KIN/MBJ/GEO-USA. There are also some flights to other E. Caribbean islands to the US e.g. TAB & SVD but those are generally very low frequency so don’t demand additional investment in aircraft. BW also uses its jets for intra-regional services, primarily the POS-KIN milk runs, GEO, PBM and BGI but also on flights to places like HAV and CUR. The Max order was placed at a time that BW was serving the following N. America routes daily (or close to it) and in some instances multiple times daily:

POS-FLL/JFK/MIA/YYZ
KIN-FLL/JFK/YYZ
GEO-JFK

This in addition to the routes they flew seasonally or with few frequencies per week:

POS-MCO
KIN-MCO
GEO-YYZ

Then there are the regional routes that flew daily on jets or close to it to take into account:

POS-KIN/BGI/GEO/PBM

And then factor in the ones they flew less frequently or seasonally. And keep in mind that BW had plans to expand at the time the order was made. Plans that would have included additional frequencies to places like MIA/YYZ and new destinations like IAH.

It’s easy to look at the aviation world now post-pandemic and say that BW was being too ambitious. It might have even been worth it to question that ambition pre-pandemic but BW at the time had a good base in POS, a strong GEO and could keep its head afloat in KIN. That has all changed. GEO is now uber-competitive, POS is just getting back on its feet after border re-opening and B6 is now going all out in KIN. It might be wise to rethink that order and any future plans the airline may have.

Especially with the Delta variant raging it's really going to be a struggle for some time yet.
 
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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2021

Sun Aug 29, 2021 2:44 am

baje427 wrote:
Brickell305 wrote:
embraer175e2 wrote:

Nobody is making 30 seaters anymore. Thats a pity. I saw on wikipidia that Liat Airline is not using the Atr72 anymore only the atr42???

Caribbean Airlines has 12 737max8 jets on order. They have by far the biggest jet aircraft fleet in the Caribbean. Maybe too big for an island of only 1 million habitants???

With regard to BW, keep in mind that while its primary market is POS, that is not its only inter-regional gateway. BW also serves KIN/MBJ/GEO-USA. There are also some flights to other E. Caribbean islands to the US e.g. TAB & SVD but those are generally very low frequency so don’t demand additional investment in aircraft. BW also uses its jets for intra-regional services, primarily the POS-KIN milk runs, GEO, PBM and BGI but also on flights to places like HAV and CUR. The Max order was placed at a time that BW was serving the following N. America routes daily (or close to it) and in some instances multiple times daily:

POS-FLL/JFK/MIA/YYZ
KIN-FLL/JFK/YYZ
GEO-JFK

This in addition to the routes they flew seasonally or with few frequencies per week:

POS-MCO
KIN-MCO
GEO-YYZ

Then there are the regional routes that flew daily on jets or close to it to take into account:

POS-KIN/BGI/GEO/PBM

And then factor in the ones they flew less frequently or seasonally. And keep in mind that BW had plans to expand at the time the order was made. Plans that would have included additional frequencies to places like MIA/YYZ and new destinations like IAH.

It’s easy to look at the aviation world now post-pandemic and say that BW was being too ambitious. It might have even been worth it to question that ambition pre-pandemic but BW at the time had a good base in POS, a strong GEO and could keep its head afloat in KIN. That has all changed. GEO is now uber-competitive, POS is just getting back on its feet after border re-opening and B6 is now going all out in KIN. It might be wise to rethink that order and any future plans the airline may have.

Especially with the Delta variant raging it's really going to be a struggle for some time yet.

The problem for BW especially is that it's not built for the current post-pandemic environment at all. The current demand for Caribbean travel is skewed even more heavily toward leisure than it usually is. Despite being named Caribbean Airlines, BW is not a leisure airline and won't be able to take advantage of that. To the extent that BW is a leisure airline, it's either:

a) taking POS bound travelers to other destinations - this will be limited for quite some time as POS's vaccination/quarantine rules will hinder some of this market. Though, somewhat fortunately for BW, it does appear anecdotally that wealthier Trinis who are the most likely to be part of this outbound tourist group are the ones also most likely to be vaccinated.

b) flying people into POS (and to a much lesser extent KIN) for carnival - Lord knows when the next one will be in either location.

c) flying people into TAB - with the current airbridge restrictions, good luck with that.

Business travel which was such an integral part of the network is essentially non-existent now. Regional traffic is at barebones levels. The only point of strength right now would be the VFR market and even that is a shell of its former self currently. BW has very few places to turn to make money in the current environment.
 
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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2021

Sun Aug 29, 2021 1:00 pm

Winair SXM is cancelling flights to the ABC islands due to Air Antilles fleet grounding.
According to Winair the flights will be resumed in September. While Air Antilles in contrary is saying they only need 48 hours to solve the issue.
 
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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2021

Sun Aug 29, 2021 5:09 pm

With regards to the above the following appears on Winair's website:
https://www.fly-winair.sx/news/canceled-atr-flights-68
 
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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2021

Sun Aug 29, 2021 11:43 pm

embraer175e2 wrote:

Nobody is making 30 seaters anymore. Thats a pity. I saw on wikipidia that Liat Airline is not using the Atr72 anymore only the atr42???

Caribbean Airlines has 12 737max8 jets on order. They have by far the biggest jet aircraft fleet in the Caribbean. Maybe too big for an island of only 1 million habitants???



Yes LI is now using 2 of its 42s, plus one parked. The others have been returned. As we enter a post pandemic world and as LI is resolved (either exiting bankruptcy or being completely closed) we do not know how aviation in the Eastern Caribbean will emerge.
 
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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2021

Sun Aug 29, 2021 11:58 pm

Brickell305 wrote:
With regard to BW, keep in mind that while its primary market is POS, that is not its only inter-regional gateway. BW also serves KIN/MBJ/GEO-USA. There are also some flights to other E. Caribbean islands to the US e.g. TAB & SVD but those are generally very low frequency so don’t demand additional investment in aircraft. BW also uses its jets for intra-regional services, primarily the POS-KIN milk runs, GEO, PBM and BGI but also on flights to places like HAV and CUR. The Max order was placed at a time that BW was serving the following N. America routes daily (or close to it) and in some instances multiple times daily:

POS-FLL/JFK/MIA/YYZ
KIN-FLL/JFK/YYZ
GEO-JFK

This in addition to the routes they flew seasonally or with few frequencies per week:

POS-MCO
KIN-MCO
GEO-YYZ

Then there are the regional routes that flew daily on jets or close to it to take into account:

POS-KIN/BGI/GEO/PBM

And then factor in the ones they flew less frequently or seasonally. And keep in mind that BW had plans to expand at the time the order was made. Plans that would have included additional frequencies to places like MIA/YYZ and new destinations like IAH.

It’s easy to look at the aviation world now post-pandemic and say that BW was being too ambitious. It might have even been worth it to question that ambition pre-pandemic but BW at the time had a good base in POS, a strong GEO and could keep its head afloat in KIN. That has all changed. GEO is now uber-competitive, POS is just getting back on its feet after border re-opening and B6 is now going all out in KIN. It might be wise to rethink that order and any future plans the airline may have.



As you said the orders were pre pandemic and so 12 MAXES to replace the 800s was appropriate. A BW pilot warned against a too hasty over reaction to the present challenges by an excesses reduction of cockpit crews, routes or planes.

BW if anything was too conservative and not aggressive enough pre pandemic with their marketing which has allowed others to feed from their trough. As GEO expands this should have been a good time for them as others are new entrants and so have less time to become entrenched, and cannot offer the full range of routes that BW did. But sadly BW didnt adequately respond to complaints by Guyanese passengers so now they must battle to retain their market. They made similar mistakes as they replaced JM with Jamaicans.

The MAX order was direct swap so I do not know how any could argue that BW was being too ambitious. Ambitious might have been if this was additional planes with a goal of re-entering ATL and IAD/BWI. We do not know what UAs plans are for their IAH POS, but given increased demand from GEO if UA doesnt re-enter this is definitely an opportunity for BW as they already now have rights to this route.

I suspect that they are evaluating their MAX orders to see how POS shapes up and what part of GEO they can keep. Lucky for them AA is already migrating to the MAX, and apparently with limited passenger push back. If AA/B6 are conservative into POS that might offsets the losses on the GEO.
 
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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Aug 30, 2021 5:34 am

I am not sure how weak the VFR is, at least out of the NY area. JFK GEO with 19 weekly is ahead of pre pandemic, though some of this will be BW POS bound passengers being routed via GEO due to restrictions on nonstop service to POS. BGI is getting daily A321s on B6 JFK plus BWs weekly, only slightly below normal. GND is daily which is normal. KIN is getting only slightly below normal out of JFK. Maybe SoFL VFR is down, YYZ definitely is, but that is due to Canadian restrictions forcing a potential quarantine upon return.

The point is that some VFR travel is nondiscretionary. People have to travel for family reasons, or to handle personal issues. It is the most resilient of the various travel segments into the Caribbean. Maybe BW might have to market to the TT diaspora about travel back home because one must admit that the TT gov't has been somewhat hostile to its diaspora during this period so some might be concerned about travel to POS. GEO requires, or will soon require vaccinations. Unvaccinated Bajans have to quarantine for a few days at their expense.
 
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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Aug 30, 2021 3:35 pm

BW610 wrote:
caribbean484 wrote:
BWIA 772 wrote:

Will they be putting the rainbow swirl as well? Did BW invest anything extra in their hard product on these new birds. Hopefully the fabric choice for the economy seats is more like the ATR than the original 737NG.

Regards


I can confirm no Rainbow swirl will be placed on the MAXs, only the ATRs will be getting these.
I can't confirm much anything on the hard and soft product, however all that I got was there will be an upgrade (Obviously). The last rumor I heard was F gets PTVs and Y is BYOD.


Heard Business Class is gaining an extra row.

And Caribbean Plus is getting smaller.

Apparently the 12 seats is to few for Toronto & Miami
Will see.


I guess they are getting complaints from clients of not having enough J seats available. POS-MIA/YYZ/KIN, KIN-YYZ and GEO-JFK are the highest J seat occupancy in the network. HAV does also have a very good J loads also and if IAH comes online it will need to have more J seats.
The reason they added Y+ was to reduce the number of J available to NYC/FLL/MCO from POS/KIN/MBJ because its mostly VFR that are not buying J in large portions.

BW Scheduling updates
GEO-JFK goes 5w -> 6w next week
POS-JFK goes 5w -> 6w Oct
SVD-JFK returns in October 1w (I'm surprised this is coming back so soon, maybe the Govt there wants to increase seats early for the winter tourist season)
 
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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Aug 30, 2021 6:41 pm

caribny wrote:
embraer175e2 wrote:

Nobody is making 30 seaters anymore. Thats a pity. I saw on wikipidia that Liat Airline is not using the Atr72 anymore only the atr42???

Caribbean Airlines has 12 737max8 jets on order. They have by far the biggest jet aircraft fleet in the Caribbean. Maybe too big for an island of only 1 million habitants???



Yes LI is now using 2 of its 42s, plus one parked. The others have been returned. As we enter a post pandemic world and as LI is resolved (either exiting bankruptcy or being completely closed) we do not know how aviation in the Eastern Caribbean will emerge.


Did they also layoff pilots and flight and ground personal ??
 
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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Aug 30, 2021 7:37 pm

caribbean484 wrote:
BW610 wrote:
caribbean484 wrote:

I can confirm no Rainbow swirl will be placed on the MAXs, only the ATRs will be getting these.
I can't confirm much anything on the hard and soft product, however all that I got was there will be an upgrade (Obviously). The last rumor I heard was F gets PTVs and Y is BYOD.


Heard Business Class is gaining an extra row.

And Caribbean Plus is getting smaller.

Apparently the 12 seats is to few for Toronto & Miami
Will see.


I guess they are getting complaints from clients of not having enough J seats available. POS-MIA/YYZ/KIN, KIN-YYZ and GEO-JFK are the highest J seat occupancy in the network. HAV does also have a very good J loads also and if IAH comes online it will need to have more J seats.
The reason they added Y+ was to reduce the number of J available to NYC/FLL/MCO from POS/KIN/MBJ because its mostly VFR that are not buying J in large portions.

BW Scheduling updates
GEO-JFK goes 5w -> 6w next week
POS-JFK goes 5w -> 6w Oct
SVD-JFK returns in October 1w (I'm surprised this is coming back so soon, maybe the Govt there wants to increase seats early for the winter tourist season)

I doubt SVD has to do with tourism. There’s probably enough VFR to at least half-fill a once weekly flight to JFK and whatever can’t be filled by SVD, they can use POS to back fill the rest.
 
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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Aug 31, 2021 5:58 pm

https://simpleflying.com/us-boeing-737- ... 1630419486

Bahamas Air last operator to use 7375 on US routes.
 
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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Aug 31, 2021 7:36 pm

Caimen airways , another caribbean airlines operating 5 of the boeing 737max8.
Who knows how the have been financially for the last years???
Caimen islands has a population of about 80000 inhabitants. I am curious about how the airline is going.....
Anybody with operational news about them?
 
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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Aug 31, 2021 7:46 pm

embraer175e2 wrote:
https://simpleflying.com/us-boeing-737-500-routes/?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_medium=Social&utm_content=echo&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1630419486

Bahamas Air last operator to use 7375 on US routes.

There are one or two charter operators still operating -500s within the US, actually.
 
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Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Aug 31, 2021 8:05 pm

embraer175e2 wrote:
Caimen airways , another caribbean airlines operating 5 of the boeing 737max8.
Who knows how the have been financially for the last years???
Caimen islands has a population of about 80000 inhabitants. I am curious about how the airline is going.....
Anybody with operational news about them?

Profilewise they’re pretty much the same as Caribbean Airlines and Bahamsair I think. I’m not aware of them operating five 737-8s though, I know they have three in service and one on order to be delivered (if it isn’t already on premises). The other active 737 should be a -300.

Unfortunately as others have mentioned a couple boxes up-thread - the Caribbean environment creates very high operating costs, and a generally investor-unfriendly environment for the home carriers, who also lack the robust networks and economies of scale to keep ticket prices down like the major US/EU carriers would.

On another note though - I wouldn’t consider sites like Wikipedia - not simpleflying for that matter - as anything remotely reliable, so take anything you see there with a bucket of salt.
 
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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Aug 31, 2021 10:13 pm

I see Air Antilles flights back in the air today. I guess they weren't too off of their 48hr timeline.
 
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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Aug 31, 2021 10:26 pm

I see that AF853, a 777 from CAY to ORY diverted to BGI. Does anyone know why?
 
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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Aug 31, 2021 11:33 pm

Brickell305 wrote:
I see that AF853, a 777 from CAY to ORY diverted to BGI. Does anyone know why?


Given the flight path, that hardly seems like a diversion and more of a planned stop. Nevertheless, the question still remains.
 
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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Aug 31, 2021 11:37 pm

Brickell305 wrote:
I see that AF853, a 777 from CAY to ORY diverted to BGI. Does anyone know why?

Maybe an issue with the availability of fuel
 
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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2021

Wed Sep 01, 2021 1:33 am

3S is back in operation from today 31st August. See press release below.
August 31st, 2021

Air Antilles is pleased to announce the return of its normal scheduled services, with effect from August 31st, 2021.

The temporary suspension of its service was due to a request by the Directorate General of Civil Aviation (DGAC). Administrative checks carried out by the DGAC did not reveal any breaches, whether in terms of regulatory compliance or fleet maintenance.

The responses provided to the DGAC by the company covered procedures that applied to our airworthiness. The reports submitted by our monitoring department were considered to be in full compliance with the regulations in force.

The company has always strived to work with the strictest adherence to regulations and with the highest level of safety for our passengers, contrary to the misinformed reports that circulated on certain media and social networks.

Effective immediately, normal service will resume on all routes, utilizing the entire fleet of Air Antilles. The company and will continue to operate respecting the highest safety standards at all times.

For more details on the resumption of traffic, our sales department is at your disposal at the usual number: +590 590 384 322, on airantilles.com and by email at: [email protected]
 
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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2021

Wed Sep 01, 2021 2:30 pm

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.thegua ... etherlands

Longtails aviation ( Bermuda) of Bermuda registered Boeing747 cargo drops engine parts on civilians in Maastricht Holland. A few months ago. Being investigated by the Dutch.
 
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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2021

Wed Sep 01, 2021 4:50 pm

https://guardian.co.tt/news/caribbean-a ... 8e4be6e014

Caribbean airlines expanding cargo out of china using boeing767?
 
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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2021

Wed Sep 01, 2021 5:49 pm

embraer175e2 wrote:
https://guardian.co.tt/news/caribbean-airlines-expands-cargo-network-in-china-6.2.1378476.8e4be6e014

Caribbean airlines expanding cargo out of china using boeing767?


No. The agreement simply allows easier transfer of shipments between Caribbean Airlines Cargo and other carriers, allowing cargo to be sent to/from China on other carriers but the Caribbean connection being facilitated by Caribbean Airlines.
 
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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2021

Wed Sep 01, 2021 10:05 pm

fowlr29 wrote:
embraer175e2 wrote:
https://guardian.co.tt/news/caribbean-airlines-expands-cargo-network-in-china-6.2.1378476.8e4be6e014

Caribbean airlines expanding cargo out of china using boeing767?


No. The agreement simply allows easier transfer of shipments between Caribbean Airlines Cargo and other carriers, allowing cargo to be sent to/from China on other carriers but the Caribbean connection being facilitated by Caribbean Airlines.


Check your message inbox @fowlr29
 
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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2021

Wed Sep 01, 2021 10:46 pm

DL has dropped its seasonal JFK-ANU flight indefinitely and has canceled JFK-SKB for this winter season. For ANU, that means NYC is now down to just AA and B6 after UA cut its ANU flight earlier this year. For SKB, AA and UA remain seasonally.
 
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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2021

Thu Sep 02, 2021 1:03 am

AA, DL, UA and B6 out of NYC to ANU was never sustainable. Something had to give. Also just remembered that B6 is doing both JFK and EWR to ANU.
 
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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2021

Thu Sep 02, 2021 1:06 am

3S has scheduled significant increases in flights from non-French islands. New nonstops between ANU & BGI along with SLU and DOM to/from BGI. Some BGI - ANU flights continue to SXM. All now loaded in the GDS for September and October.
 
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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2021

Thu Sep 02, 2021 3:05 am

windian425 wrote:
3S has scheduled significant increases in flights from non-French islands. New nonstops between ANU & BGI along with SLU and DOM to/from BGI. Some BGI - ANU flights continue to SXM. All now loaded in the GDS for September and October.


Aerologic? Who is 3S?

AA1818

***nevermind- Seeing now that it is Air Antilles also.
 
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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2021

Thu Sep 02, 2021 4:26 am

windian425 wrote:
3S has scheduled significant increases in flights from non-French islands. New nonstops between ANU & BGI along with SLU and DOM to/from BGI. Some BGI - ANU flights continue to SXM. All now loaded in the GDS for September and October.


3S is filling gaps left by LI/BW. More ANU BGI, SLU BGI and better SXM BGI service.
 
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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2021

Thu Sep 02, 2021 8:40 am

caribny wrote:
windian425 wrote:
3S has scheduled significant increases in flights from non-French islands. New nonstops between ANU & BGI along with SLU and DOM to/from BGI. Some BGI - ANU flights continue to SXM. All now loaded in the GDS for September and October.


3S is filling gaps left by LI/BW. More ANU BGI, SLU BGI and better SXM BGI service.


Why would BW not jump on the occasion to deploy their ATRs there from BGI?
 
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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2021

Thu Sep 02, 2021 1:43 pm

BW is mainly interested in BGI to OGL and POS. Not sure how long the BGI to SVD and GND will last
 
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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2021

Thu Sep 02, 2021 2:21 pm

A330Inter wrote:
caribny wrote:
windian425 wrote:
3S has scheduled significant increases in flights from non-French islands. New nonstops between ANU & BGI along with SLU and DOM to/from BGI. Some BGI - ANU flights continue to SXM. All now loaded in the GDS for September and October.


3S is filling gaps left by LI/BW. More ANU BGI, SLU BGI and better SXM BGI service.


Why would BW not jump on the occasion to deploy their ATRs there from BGI?



I think BW ATRs main purpose is cover the POS/TAB route. When that route is fully operational there would not be much slack to support all the routes you want. BW purchased two additional ATRs recently and those are what are used in its regional expansion. They may need more, which they cant afford, to do what you want.
Having all these options in the region would be good for regional transport instead of one major carrier dominating regional travel.
Just my two cents.....

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