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Wed Nov 10, 2021 5:39 pm

STT is now open for booking on LIAT's website. Connecting opportunities at this point are dismal. Fares STT-ANU are around $500-600 return.

I can't see the current schedule being of use to anyone trying to get to anywhere other than ANU. DOM is only accessible in one direction. They allow bookings to SKB but the routing is STT-ANU-DOM-SKB and return SKB-ANU-STT @ $1000 return!!!

According to LI:
"LIAT will operate a weekly service into the Cyril E. King International Airport. The flight will operate every Sunday. LI 360 will depart V. C. Bird International at 12:45 p.m. and arrive in St. Thomas at 1:45 p.m.

The return leg will leave St. Thomas at 2:45 p.m. and arrive in Antigua at 3:45 p.m. The route will be operated using the ATR 42 aircraft.

LIAT will also for the Christmas season operate three special flights to connect St. Croix. The return flights from Antigua to St. Croix will operate on December 4, December 18 and December 31. These special flights can only be booked via the Reservations Call Centre."
 
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Wed Nov 10, 2021 6:15 pm

dominicl316 wrote:
STT is now open for booking on LIAT's website. Connecting opportunities at this point are dismal. Fares STT-ANU are around $500-600 return.

I can't see the current schedule being of use to anyone trying to get to anywhere other than ANU. DOM is only accessible in one direction. They allow bookings to SKB but the routing is STT-ANU-DOM-SKB and return SKB-ANU-STT @ $1000 return!!!

According to LI:
"LIAT will operate a weekly service into the Cyril E. King International Airport. The flight will operate every Sunday. LI 360 will depart V. C. Bird International at 12:45 p.m. and arrive in St. Thomas at 1:45 p.m.

The return leg will leave St. Thomas at 2:45 p.m. and arrive in Antigua at 3:45 p.m. The route will be operated using the ATR 42 aircraft.

LIAT will also for the Christmas season operate three special flights to connect St. Croix. The return flights from Antigua to St. Croix will operate on December 4, December 18 and December 31. These special flights can only be booked via the Reservations Call Centre."



Air Sunshine and Seaborne do SKB and DOM, but I do not think ANU. Maybe this route will absorb STT ANU and folks coming over from STX to connect.
 
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Wed Nov 10, 2021 6:17 pm

Air Sunshine only does charters to ANU.
SKB/DOM biweekly from STT
SKB/SLU biweekly from STX
AXA/SXM weekly from STT

This will definitely be popular with the Antiguan community and I expect many of the commuter STX-STT flights to act as unofficial feeders for LI STT-ANU.
 
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Wed Nov 10, 2021 7:19 pm

dominicl316 wrote:
STT is now open for booking on LIAT's website. Connecting opportunities at this point are dismal. Fares STT-ANU are around $500-600 return.

I can't see the current schedule being of use to anyone trying to get to anywhere other than ANU. DOM is only accessible in one direction. They allow bookings to SKB but the routing is STT-ANU-DOM-SKB and return SKB-ANU-STT @ $1000 return!!!

According to LI:
"LIAT will operate a weekly service into the Cyril E. King International Airport. The flight will operate every Sunday. LI 360 will depart V. C. Bird International at 12:45 p.m. and arrive in St. Thomas at 1:45 p.m.

The return leg will leave St. Thomas at 2:45 p.m. and arrive in Antigua at 3:45 p.m. The route will be operated using the ATR 42 aircraft.

LIAT will also for the Christmas season operate three special flights to connect St. Croix. The return flights from Antigua to St. Croix will operate on December 4, December 18 and December 31. These special flights can only be booked via the Reservations Call Centre."


US$600 rt from STT to ANU? and US$1000rt from DOM to SKB? who would want to buy that ticket unless they absolutely have too. If people in DOM have to travel to the US the better pricing option with be with BW through BGI or POS, or AA to MIA when they start next month. Do you have info on the pax numbers between DOM to SKB or STT?
 
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Wed Nov 10, 2021 7:30 pm

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US$600 rt from STT to ANU? and US$1000rt from DOM to SKB? who would want to buy that ticket unless they absolutely have too. If people in DOM have to travel to the US the better pricing option with be with BW through BGI or POS, or AA to MIA when they start next month. Do you have info on the pax numbers between DOM to SKB or STT?


Not DOM-SKB. It is $1000 rt from STT-SKB but the routing is STT-ANU-DOM-SKB and return SKB-ANU-STT.

DOM is only available o.w. STT-ANU-DOM at a more reasonable fare but not in the other direction.
 
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Wed Nov 10, 2021 10:29 pm

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Any idea how long until Eastern returns to Guyana if they are returning?
Also when will CM return to normal schedule and have more frequent flights to Guyana? I've spoken to a few people and they all prefer the afternoon flights from before than the new red-eye.


I doubt Eastern with return to GEO given that BW, AA and B6 are all daily and no need for a 4th airline on this route.
I guess the question will be when will schedules in the Caribbean become normal again for CM. Intra-regional travel is still significantly down across the board until curfews and restrictions are done away with.[/quote]
I see your point with Eastern. I was surprised the pulled out seeing that Guyanese were eating their tickets up the same way they were with dynamic. Never too much competition tho ;). Hope to see Delta or United and probably a Euro carrier here in a few years
 
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Thu Nov 11, 2021 12:26 pm

Surinam Aiways has delayed their Cur-Pos flights because they dont have the required permits yet from the TT authorities.
 
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Thu Nov 11, 2021 12:30 pm

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Surinam Aiways has delayed their Cur-Pos flights because they dont have the required permits yet from the TT authorities.

And your source regarding such a claim?
 
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Thu Nov 11, 2021 1:34 pm

Im not sure about the Cur-Pos flight but PY were supposed to restart flights at GEO with their leased a320 a few days ago but still nothing. the cause is still unknown
 
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Thu Nov 11, 2021 1:49 pm

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Im not sure about the Cur-Pos flight but PY were supposed to restart flights at GEO with their leased a320 a few days ago but still nothing. the cause is still unknown


I just looked at flightradar and it seemed they restarted PBM-GEO-MIA flights last Saturday, flights are operating only on Saturdays. As for the PBM-POS=CUR route it was pushed back to December. I'm not sure on the financials of PBM but its not good when you have a/cs repossessed and have been we leasing a/cs for routes. The product is not your own and wet leasing is quite expensive long term.
 
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Thu Nov 11, 2021 4:54 pm

novarupta wrote:
embraer175e2 wrote:
Surinam Aiways has delayed their Cur-Pos flights because they dont have the required permits yet from the TT authorities.

And your source regarding such a claim?


I contacted them and they gave me this info.
 
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Thu Nov 11, 2021 7:54 pm

The Surinamese Aviation Company (SLM) recently signed the contract for the lease of an Airbus A330. CEO Paul de Haan says in an announcement that this aircraft brings Surinam Airways a step closer to reducing its own capacity by establishing its identity on the market. The plane was reportedly previously operated by Virgin Australia, Australia's second largest airline.

https://dagbladdewest.com/2021/11/11/sl ... che-route/
 
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Thu Nov 11, 2021 7:54 pm

2travel2know2 wrote:
caribbean484 wrote:
Caribbean007 wrote:

All Venezuelan airlines are using Dominican Republic for connections to USA, mostly SDQ airport is used and few flights into PUJ and LRM. They program the conections with charters flights between MIA and SDQ. Laser is using now RED Air that is a company sister with Dominican registration, Swift and World Atlantic are also doing charter flights for Venezuelan airlines.


The DOT cannot stop BW nor any airline from selling flights outside the USA to CCS, as long as the sale is not marketed to routes from US to CCS.
Any person can fly MIA-POS, and then buy a separate ticket to CCS can do so. What CAL cannot do is sell a 1 stop flight to POS and then connection unto CCS such as MIA-CCS via POS on the same itinerary. That is what CM was charged for as they were selling MIA-CCS flights via PTY, however a person can still fly CM to PTY and then on a completely separate ticket go to CCS.

CAL can do the same, add another flight to MIA that is timed to the CCS flight.
The question here would be, Is it worth the hassle for BW to use a B737-800 to fly morning MIA/FLL-POS, noon POS-CCS-POS and late afternoon POS-MIA/FLL 2-3 times per week? (separate tickets and baggage transfer re-tag @POS)
Bear in mind, potential CSS-Florida traffic will avoid arriving/departing at night.


IF the tickets and bags arrive to USA with signs of CCS departure the airline can be fine,
 
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Sat Nov 13, 2021 1:15 pm

There is a buzz around that 9Y-CAL Boeing 737 Max will be arriving on November 17th. There is not much public information. 9Y-BAH is fully painted. This the fifth painted Max 8 destined to Caribbean Airlines.
 
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Sun Nov 14, 2021 6:43 pm

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There is a buzz around that 9Y-CAL Boeing 737 Max will be arriving on November 17th. There is not much public information. 9Y-BAH is fully painted. This the fifth painted Max 8 destined to Caribbean Airlines.

i saw it as well but I doubt its true. No source or proof was provided with the claim.
 
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Mon Nov 15, 2021 10:19 am

You would not get any official word from CAL on the arrival of the first Max. It is indeed schedule to arrive in POS on the 17th of November. Most likely to arrive after 6pm.
 
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Mon Nov 15, 2021 1:57 pm

9YCAL wrote:
You would not get any official word from CAL on the arrival of the first Max. It is indeed schedule to arrive in POS on the 17th of November. Most likely to arrive after 6pm.


That's odd. Will there be no fanfare for it's arrival?
 
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Mon Nov 15, 2021 2:32 pm

LimaFoxTango wrote:
9YCAL wrote:
You would not get any official word from CAL on the arrival of the first Max. It is indeed schedule to arrive in POS on the 17th of November. Most likely to arrive after 6pm.


That's odd. Will there be no fanfare for it's arrival?

Maybe they have an event for it planned on the following day.
 
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Mon Nov 15, 2021 3:27 pm

No fan fare as yet. The rebrand ceremony that was cancelled will take place somewhere between November to early January. I believe they will show it off then. The only time before that is if they plan to do pilot training. The first aircraft eta 10pm on the 17th.
 
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Mon Nov 15, 2021 6:23 pm

9YCAL wrote:
You would not get any official word from CAL on the arrival of the first Max. It is indeed schedule to arrive in POS on the 17th of November. Most likely to arrive after 6pm.


LimaFoxTango wrote:
9YCAL wrote:
You would not get any official word from CAL on the arrival of the first Max. It is indeed schedule to arrive in POS on the 17th of November. Most likely to arrive after 6pm.


That's odd. Will there be no fanfare for it's arrival?


Seems the flight plan is in the making for the 17th.
It happened before with the A340 from BWIA days. The a/c arrived dead in the night and it was not until the next weekend they had a ceremony to welcome the new a/c.

The a/c is coming without the 'CARIBBEAN' underbelly so that will be fixed first before the do a complete press ceremony.
 
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Tue Nov 16, 2021 12:32 pm

Viva Air starting with Medellin Aruba flights soon:

https://curacao.nu/viva-air-uit-colombi ... a-vliegen/
 
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Tue Nov 16, 2021 3:53 pm

embraer175e2 wrote:
Viva Air starting with Medellin Aruba flights soon:

https://curacao.nu/viva-air-uit-colombi ... a-vliegen/


They should be expanding soon, applyed for a bouch of new routes from BOG and MDE.
 
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Tue Nov 16, 2021 3:59 pm

Dominican authorities approve 30 new routes for max operator Ara jet

https://www.facebook.com/232850940813/p ... ry_index=0
 
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Tue Nov 16, 2021 5:25 pm

Does anyone know if JY will be basing an E145 in BGI or will they be routing them through for the GEO service?
 
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Tue Nov 16, 2021 5:28 pm

Caribbean007 wrote:
embraer175e2 wrote:
Viva Air starting with Medellin Aruba flights soon:

https://curacao.nu/viva-air-uit-colombi ... a-vliegen/


They should be expanding soon, applyed for a bouch of new routes from BOG and MDE.

Correct. They are bringing some serious competion for Avianca and other regional airlines.
 
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Tue Nov 16, 2021 5:41 pm

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Does anyone know if JY will be basing an E145 in BGI or will they be routing them through for the GEO service?

I suspect they’ll be basing one of them there in BGI, there’s talk here in ANU about them also getting approval for the ANU-BGI leg as well.

-N
 
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Wed Nov 17, 2021 7:31 pm

caribbean484 wrote:
9YCAL wrote:
You would not get any official word from CAL on the arrival of the first Max. It is indeed schedule to arrive in POS on the 17th of November. Most likely to arrive after 6pm.


LimaFoxTango wrote:
9YCAL wrote:
You would not get any official word from CAL on the arrival of the first Max. It is indeed schedule to arrive in POS on the 17th of November. Most likely to arrive after 6pm.


That's odd. Will there be no fanfare for it's arrival?


Seems the flight plan is in the making for the 17th.
It happened before with the A340 from BWIA days. The a/c arrived dead in the night and it was not until the next weekend they had a ceremony to welcome the new a/c.

The a/c is coming without the 'CARIBBEAN' underbelly so that will be fixed first before the do a complete press ceremony.

Currently delivering through ATS at PAE as BWA7378.
 
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Wed Nov 17, 2021 9:57 pm

Geeeeee long time no seee.... since I escaped Brazil LOL, where are guyanaman, yellowtail etc... ?
 
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Wed Nov 17, 2021 10:50 pm

baje427 wrote:
Does anyone know if JY will be basing an E145 in BGI or will they be routing them through for the GEO service?

E145 are being based in GEO from the looks of it. Flights originate in GEO and end in GEO nightly. Some days ground time is BGI is several hours on days not operating BGI-ANU-BGI.
 
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MD80MKE wrote:
Currently delivering through ATS at PAE as BWA7378.


Oh I see what they did there. Creative.
 
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andrefranca wrote:
Geeeeee long time no seee.... since I escaped Brazil LOL, where are guyanaman, yellowtail etc... ?



guyanam is now caribny. I was wondering where you disappeared to. Glad to see you visiting us again.
 
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Thu Nov 18, 2021 2:08 am

windian425 wrote:
baje427 wrote:
Does anyone know if JY will be basing an E145 in BGI or will they be routing them through for the GEO service?

E145 are being based in GEO from the looks of it. Flights originate in GEO and end in GEO nightly. Some days ground time is BGI is several hours on days not operating BGI-ANU-BGI.


GEO seems to be the most vibrant travel market left in intra regional travel. I guess increased incomes there due to oil and travel by other Caribbean people connecting to this sector. This true especially for the T&T folks. JY will allow connectivity via BGI to the OECS, which LI used to offer and BW currently doesnt.

Also good connection between the UK and GEO, missing since BW ended its LGW service.
 
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Thu Nov 18, 2021 8:26 am

9Y-CAL has arrived. Nov 17th 11:18pm
 
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Thu Nov 18, 2021 12:39 pm

windian425 wrote:
baje427 wrote:
Does anyone know if JY will be basing an E145 in BGI or will they be routing them through for the GEO service?

E145 are being based in GEO from the looks of it. Flights originate in GEO and end in GEO nightly. Some days ground time is BGI is several hours on days not operating BGI-ANU-BGI.

Thanks for the information I find it interesting ANU gave them permission because this essentially would kill any need for LI 2.0.
 
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Thu Nov 18, 2021 1:00 pm

WM to launch PTP-DOM-SXM-PAP flights once a week on Wednesdays from December 8th.

Looking at the published GDS schedule the previously scheduled 3S103 that used to operate PTP-DOM-SXM and then switch to a WM code in SXM to operate SXM-PAP has changed. WM809 starts in PTP now. Operating PTP-DOM-SXM-PAP with the return WM810 operating PAP-SXM-DOM-PTP. Must make PTP/DOM-PAP much easier than before as it can be on one ticket now, although I'm not sure what the traffic between PTP/DOM-PAP is like.

In other news, not sure exactly what is going on with the proposed 3S Antigua operations, my guess is that approvals are being held up somewhere. Seems like some sectors are loaded from early December but not all of them.

Routing is supposed to be SXM-ANU-BGI-SLU-DOM-FDF, and PTP-DOM-SLU-BGI-ANU-SXM. My guess is, especially because the flights start/end in SXM they are waiting on right approvals for WM to start operating, utilizing WM's interlines to their advantage. Would be interesting to see if these flights actually operate under a 3S code or a WM code if that is the case.

In other WM news, looking at FR24 the fourth Twin Otter is now back at SXM. So the airline is back to the fleet that they had before COVID.
 
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Thu Nov 18, 2021 3:13 pm

baje427 wrote:
windian425 wrote:
baje427 wrote:
Does anyone know if JY will be basing an E145 in BGI or will they be routing them through for the GEO service?

E145 are being based in GEO from the looks of it. Flights originate in GEO and end in GEO nightly. Some days ground time is BGI is several hours on days not operating BGI-ANU-BGI.

Thanks for the information I find it interesting ANU gave them permission because this essentially would kill any need for LI 2.0.


I don't think ANU (or any other govt for that matter) can really deny a new operator from operating provided they meet all the necessary requirements although JY through the Turks and Caicos Islands are not apart of CARICOM. Same would go for 3S.
 
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Thu Nov 18, 2021 3:44 pm

LimaFoxTango wrote:
baje427 wrote:
windian425 wrote:
E145 are being based in GEO from the looks of it. Flights originate in GEO and end in GEO nightly. Some days ground time is BGI is several hours on days not operating BGI-ANU-BGI.

Thanks for the information I find it interesting ANU gave them permission because this essentially would kill any need for LI 2.0.


I don't think ANU (or any other govt for that matter) can really deny a new operator from operating provided they meet all the necessary requirements although JY through the Turks and Caicos Islands are not apart of CARICOM. Same would go for 3S.


The question is how can an airline from the Turks and Caicos have all these extraordinary rights to have a number of 7th freedom flights away from its base. Turks and Caicos are also not a signatory to the CARICOM aviation agreement, so how can they be given these rights legally?
The DR airlines are right to call out the behavior of the airline and the route authorities given since they are not a DR airline, so then why is this allowed in the English speaking Caribbean?
I am all for competition as it stimulates economies, but this seems like a bad trend and one where we know the developed countries would not allow this type of operation without an agreement. If this were to happen with JY planning to fly to the US the US airlines would significantly object to the flying say BGI-MIA with or ANU-MIA.
 
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Thu Nov 18, 2021 4:13 pm

caribbean484 wrote:
LimaFoxTango wrote:
baje427 wrote:
Thanks for the information I find it interesting ANU gave them permission because this essentially would kill any need for LI 2.0.


I don't think ANU (or any other govt for that matter) can really deny a new operator from operating provided they meet all the necessary requirements although JY through the Turks and Caicos Islands are not apart of CARICOM. Same would go for 3S.


The question is how can an airline from the Turks and Caicos have all these extraordinary rights to have a number of 7th freedom flights away from its base. Turks and Caicos are also not a signatory to the CARICOM aviation agreement, so how can they be given these rights legally?
The DR airlines are right to call out the behavior of the airline and the route authorities given since they are not a DR airline, so then why is this allowed in the English speaking Caribbean?
I am all for competition as it stimulates economies, but this seems like a bad trend and one where we know the developed countries would not allow this type of operation without an agreement. If this were to happen with JY planning to fly to the US the US airlines would significantly object to the flying say BGI-MIA with or ANU-MIA.


Which airline would have a valid argument to make to their local government though? BGI, SVD, GND, DOM, GEO and EIS must love the extra flights that JY offers while not having a local airline to protect. Would the Bajan government entertain an argument about this with LI? I don't think so, and there's nothing the Antiguan government can do but pull the 5th freedom rights from JY. But again, would they do this? I don't think so.

The ANU portion on the BGI-ANU-BGI isn't 7th freedom, they have it tagged onto a PLS sector on existing 5th freedom rights. Don't think JY has 7th freedom rights out of ANU.

Routing is PLS-ANU-BGI-GEO (overnight) and then GEO-BGI-ANU-PLS with the 145. Other days the GEO-BGI sector returns to GEO.
 
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Thu Nov 18, 2021 4:43 pm

fowlr29 wrote:
caribbean484 wrote:
LimaFoxTango wrote:

I don't think ANU (or any other govt for that matter) can really deny a new operator from operating provided they meet all the necessary requirements although JY through the Turks and Caicos Islands are not apart of CARICOM. Same would go for 3S.


The question is how can an airline from the Turks and Caicos have all these extraordinary rights to have a number of 7th freedom flights away from its base. Turks and Caicos are also not a signatory to the CARICOM aviation agreement, so how can they be given these rights legally?
The DR airlines are right to call out the behavior of the airline and the route authorities given since they are not a DR airline, so then why is this allowed in the English speaking Caribbean?
I am all for competition as it stimulates economies, but this seems like a bad trend and one where we know the developed countries would not allow this type of operation without an agreement. If this were to happen with JY planning to fly to the US the US airlines would significantly object to the flying say BGI-MIA with or ANU-MIA.


Which airline would have a valid argument to make to their local government though? BGI, SVD, GND, DOM, GEO and EIS must love the extra flights that JY offers while not having a local airline to protect. Would the Bajan government entertain an argument about this with LI? I don't think so, and there's nothing the Antiguan government can do but pull the 5th freedom rights from JY. But again, would they do this? I don't think so.

The ANU portion on the BGI-ANU-BGI isn't 7th freedom, they have it tagged onto a PLS sector on existing 5th freedom rights. Don't think JY has 7th freedom rights out of ANU.

Routing is PLS-ANU-BGI-GEO (overnight) and then GEO-BGI-ANU-PLS with the 145. Other days the GEO-BGI sector returns to GEO.

Agreed. Quite frankly, the governments of the Eastern Caribbean really aren't in a position to deny service to carriers that wish to provide it. They recognize the need to replace LI. They also recognize (with the exception of Antigua) that they don't have the ability to fund their own airline to provide said service. I'm sure if push comes to shove, JY will set up a BGI based subsidiary to get around any restrictions.
 
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Thu Nov 18, 2021 5:30 pm

caribbean484 wrote:
The question is how can an airline from the Turks and Caicos have all these extraordinary rights to have a number of 7th freedom flights away from its base. Turks and Caicos are also not a signatory to the CARICOM aviation agreement, so how can they be given these rights legally?
The DR airlines are right to call out the behavior of the airline and the route authorities given since they are not a DR airline, so then why is this allowed in the English speaking Caribbean?
I am all for competition as it stimulates economies, but this seems like a bad trend and one where we know the developed countries would not allow this type of operation without an agreement. If this were to happen with JY planning to fly to the US the US airlines would significantly object to the flying say BGI-MIA with or ANU-MIA.


Quite valid questions, and I'm inclined to agree with you, however on what basis can ANU deny service?
 
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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2021

Thu Nov 18, 2021 6:06 pm

fowlr29 wrote:
WM to launch PTP-DOM-SXM-PAP flights once a week on Wednesdays from December 8th.

Looking at the published GDS schedule the previously scheduled 3S103 that used to operate PTP-DOM-SXM and then switch to a WM code in SXM to operate SXM-PAP has changed. WM809 starts in PTP now. Operating PTP-DOM-SXM-PAP with the return WM810 operating PAP-SXM-DOM-PTP. Must make PTP/DOM-PAP much easier than before as it can be on one ticket now, although I'm not sure what the traffic between PTP/DOM-PAP is like.

In other news, not sure exactly what is going on with the proposed 3S Antigua operations, my guess is that approvals are being held up somewhere. Seems like some sectors are loaded from early December but not all of them.

Routing is supposed to be SXM-ANU-BGI-SLU-DOM-FDF, and PTP-DOM-SLU-BGI-ANU-SXM. My guess is, especially because the flights start/end in SXM they are waiting on right approvals for WM to start operating, utilizing WM's interlines to their advantage. Would be interesting to see if these flights actually operate under a 3S code or a WM code if that is the case.

In other WM news, looking at FR24 the fourth Twin Otter is now back at SXM. So the airline is back to the fleet that they had before COVID.

Are they still almost bankrupt?
 
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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2021

Thu Nov 18, 2021 6:07 pm

First boeing737max8 has arrived in trinidad:
https://www.facebook.com/126206357995/p ... 442522996/
 
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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2021

Thu Nov 18, 2021 6:21 pm

embraer175e2 wrote:
fowlr29 wrote:
WM to launch PTP-DOM-SXM-PAP flights once a week on Wednesdays from December 8th.

Looking at the published GDS schedule the previously scheduled 3S103 that used to operate PTP-DOM-SXM and then switch to a WM code in SXM to operate SXM-PAP has changed. WM809 starts in PTP now. Operating PTP-DOM-SXM-PAP with the return WM810 operating PAP-SXM-DOM-PTP. Must make PTP/DOM-PAP much easier than before as it can be on one ticket now, although I'm not sure what the traffic between PTP/DOM-PAP is like.

In other news, not sure exactly what is going on with the proposed 3S Antigua operations, my guess is that approvals are being held up somewhere. Seems like some sectors are loaded from early December but not all of them.

Routing is supposed to be SXM-ANU-BGI-SLU-DOM-FDF, and PTP-DOM-SLU-BGI-ANU-SXM. My guess is, especially because the flights start/end in SXM they are waiting on right approvals for WM to start operating, utilizing WM's interlines to their advantage. Would be interesting to see if these flights actually operate under a 3S code or a WM code if that is the case.

In other WM news, looking at FR24 the fourth Twin Otter is now back at SXM. So the airline is back to the fleet that they had before COVID.

Are they still almost bankrupt?


Only the airline themselves will know; I haven't a clue. But adding destinations and aircraft would tell me no.
 
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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2021

Thu Nov 18, 2021 6:28 pm

embraer175e2 wrote:
fowlr29 wrote:
WM to launch PTP-DOM-SXM-PAP flights once a week on Wednesdays from December 8th.

Looking at the published GDS schedule the previously scheduled 3S103 that used to operate PTP-DOM-SXM and then switch to a WM code in SXM to operate SXM-PAP has changed. WM809 starts in PTP now. Operating PTP-DOM-SXM-PAP with the return WM810 operating PAP-SXM-DOM-PTP. Must make PTP/DOM-PAP much easier than before as it can be on one ticket now, although I'm not sure what the traffic between PTP/DOM-PAP is like.

In other news, not sure exactly what is going on with the proposed 3S Antigua operations, my guess is that approvals are being held up somewhere. Seems like some sectors are loaded from early December but not all of them.

Routing is supposed to be SXM-ANU-BGI-SLU-DOM-FDF, and PTP-DOM-SLU-BGI-ANU-SXM. My guess is, especially because the flights start/end in SXM they are waiting on right approvals for WM to start operating, utilizing WM's interlines to their advantage. Would be interesting to see if these flights actually operate under a 3S code or a WM code if that is the case.

In other WM news, looking at FR24 the fourth Twin Otter is now back at SXM. So the airline is back to the fleet that they had before COVID.

Are they still almost bankrupt?

They’ve been bailed out since January this year
 
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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2021

Thu Nov 18, 2021 6:50 pm

novarupta wrote:
embraer175e2 wrote:
fowlr29 wrote:
WM to launch PTP-DOM-SXM-PAP flights once a week on Wednesdays from December 8th.

Looking at the published GDS schedule the previously scheduled 3S103 that used to operate PTP-DOM-SXM and then switch to a WM code in SXM to operate SXM-PAP has changed. WM809 starts in PTP now. Operating PTP-DOM-SXM-PAP with the return WM810 operating PAP-SXM-DOM-PTP. Must make PTP/DOM-PAP much easier than before as it can be on one ticket now, although I'm not sure what the traffic between PTP/DOM-PAP is like.

In other news, not sure exactly what is going on with the proposed 3S Antigua operations, my guess is that approvals are being held up somewhere. Seems like some sectors are loaded from early December but not all of them.

Routing is supposed to be SXM-ANU-BGI-SLU-DOM-FDF, and PTP-DOM-SLU-BGI-ANU-SXM. My guess is, especially because the flights start/end in SXM they are waiting on right approvals for WM to start operating, utilizing WM's interlines to their advantage. Would be interesting to see if these flights actually operate under a 3S code or a WM code if that is the case.

In other WM news, looking at FR24 the fourth Twin Otter is now back at SXM. So the airline is back to the fleet that they had before COVID.

Are they still almost bankrupt?

They’ve been bailed out since January this year

They had asked for a loan from Holland but it was denied by the Dutch.
 
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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2021

Thu Nov 18, 2021 6:58 pm

windian425 wrote:
Although not announced anywhere yet, JY is scheduled to operate BGI-ANU-BGI twice a week starting 18th December with the E145's. Aircraft originates in GEO and does GEO-BGI-ANU-BGI-GEO.

I believe that most of the GEO-BGI flights turn around return to BGI, but I think that on Wednesdays and Fridays an E145 does GEO-BGI-ANU and returns ANU-BGI-GEO with different flight numbers in both directions between GEO and BGI and BGI and ANU.
 
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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2021

Thu Nov 18, 2021 7:10 pm

gunnerman wrote:
windian425 wrote:
Although not announced anywhere yet, JY is scheduled to operate BGI-ANU-BGI twice a week starting 18th December with the E145's. Aircraft originates in GEO and does GEO-BGI-ANU-BGI-GEO.

I believe that most of the GEO-BGI flights turn around return to BGI, but I think that on Wednesdays and Fridays an E145 does GEO-BGI-ANU and returns ANU-BGI-GEO with different flight numbers in both directions between GEO and BGI and BGI and ANU.


Correct. Most of the flights are GEO BGI turns and that on Wednesdays and Saturdays it doesn't return. But the same aircraft does not return to GEO. It does GEO-BGI-ANU-PLS. All of the ANU sectors continue to PLS or come from PLS.

The ANU sectors are Wednesday and Saturday, operate PLS-ANU-BGI-GEO as JY795, JY797 AND JY787 and GEO-BGI-ANU-PLS as JY782, JY792, and JY794. They don't have 7th freedom out of ANU and also don't have mx facilities in GEO to base the aircraft there long term. It'll have to be swapped out.
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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2021

Thu Nov 18, 2021 7:12 pm

embraer175e2 wrote:
novarupta wrote:
embraer175e2 wrote:
Are they still almost bankrupt?

They’ve been bailed out since January this year

They had asked for a loan from Holland but it was denied by the Dutch.


They weren't bailed out. There were no bankruptcy proceedings. They were provided a mortgage loan with the airport hangar as collateral to help improve the liquidity position. Just like many airlines around the World did, got a loan.

One loan was given, a second loan wasn't. The second loan wasn't for liquidity as far as I understand it, but for other non-disclosed plans. That was not given.

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