fowlr29 wrote:

gunnerman wrote:

windian425 wrote:

Although not announced anywhere yet, JY is scheduled to operate BGI-ANU-BGI twice a week starting 18th December with the E145's. Aircraft originates in GEO and does GEO-BGI-ANU-BGI-GEO.

I believe that most of the GEO-BGI flights turn around return to BGI, but I think that on Wednesdays and Fridays an E145 does GEO-BGI-ANU and returns ANU-BGI-GEO with different flight numbers in both directions between GEO and BGI and BGI and ANU.

Correct. Most of the flights are GEO BGI turns and that on Wednesdays and Saturdays it doesn't return. But the same aircraft does not return to GEO. It does GEO-BGI-ANU-PLS. All of the ANU sectors continue to PLS or come from PLS.

The ANU sectors are Wednesday and Saturday, operate PLS-ANU-BGI-GEO as JY795, JY797 AND JY787 and GEO-BGI-ANU-PLS as JY782, JY792, and JY794. They don't have 7th freedom out of ANU and also don't have mx facilities in GEO to base the aircraft there long term. It'll have to be swapped out.

How many E145's to they have anyway? I thought there were down to one.

LimaFoxTango wrote:

fowlr29 wrote:

gunnerman wrote:

I believe that most of the GEO-BGI flights turn around return to BGI, but I think that on Wednesdays and Fridays an E145 does GEO-BGI-ANU and returns ANU-BGI-GEO with different flight numbers in both directions between GEO and BGI and BGI and ANU.

Correct. Most of the flights are GEO BGI turns and that on Wednesdays and Saturdays it doesn't return. But the same aircraft does not return to GEO. It does GEO-BGI-ANU-PLS. All of the ANU sectors continue to PLS or come from PLS.

The ANU sectors are Wednesday and Saturday, operate PLS-ANU-BGI-GEO as JY795, JY797 AND JY787 and GEO-BGI-ANU-PLS as JY782, JY792, and JY794. They don't have 7th freedom out of ANU and also don't have mx facilities in GEO to base the aircraft there long term. It'll have to be swapped out.

How many E145's to they have anyway? I thought there were down to one.

I thought that they were down to one as well, VQ-TLR. I know that they were hiring E145 crew the other day. This schedule would mean they have to get another. They have two E145s flying on most days based off of their winter schedule. Besides the GEO flying they are also selling PLS-KIN and PLS-SDQ with the E145. So either they have another coming soon, or they are selling it as the E145 but will operate the E120 on routes that have lower loads. I'm not really sure.

fowlr29 wrote:

embraer175e2 wrote:

novarupta wrote:

They’ve been bailed out since January this year

They had asked for a loan from Holland but it was denied by the Dutch.

They weren't bailed out. There were no bankruptcy proceedings. They were provided a mortgage loan with the airport hangar as collateral to help improve the liquidity position. Just like many airlines around the World did, got a loan.

One loan was given, a second loan wasn't. The second loan wasn't for liquidity as far as I understand it, but for other non-disclosed plans. That was not given.

Thanks, I stand corrected - the news report here in ANU gave the impression was a bailout (they were comparing it to the situation at LIAT)

LimaFoxTango wrote:

fowlr29 wrote:

gunnerman wrote:

I believe that most of the GEO-BGI flights turn around return to BGI, but I think that on Wednesdays and Fridays an E145 does GEO-BGI-ANU and returns ANU-BGI-GEO with different flight numbers in both directions between GEO and BGI and BGI and ANU.

Correct. Most of the flights are GEO BGI turns and that on Wednesdays and Saturdays it doesn't return. But the same aircraft does not return to GEO. It does GEO-BGI-ANU-PLS. All of the ANU sectors continue to PLS or come from PLS.

The ANU sectors are Wednesday and Saturday, operate PLS-ANU-BGI-GEO as JY795, JY797 AND JY787 and GEO-BGI-ANU-PLS as JY782, JY792, and JY794. They don't have 7th freedom out of ANU and also don't have mx facilities in GEO to base the aircraft there long term. It'll have to be swapped out.

How many E145's to they have anyway? I thought there were down to one.

They we’re supposed to have three currently, with a fourth either arriving soon or already on premises I’ve only photographed TLR arriving here in ANU though - none of the others.

I'd think JY should be able to pick up some E145's for a fairly decent price.

When did Surinam Airways change their wetlease company?
I see them now with an a320 instead of the previous a321. It seem they are leasing it from another comany.

Picture of slms A320 in piarco: https://www.facebook.com/10005057154609 ... 797911635/

baje427 wrote:

windian425 wrote:

baje427 wrote:

Does anyone know if JY will be basing an E145 in BGI or will they be routing them through for the GEO service?

E145 are being based in GEO from the looks of it. Flights originate in GEO and end in GEO nightly. Some days ground time is BGI is several hours on days not operating BGI-ANU-BGI.

Thanks for the information I find it interesting ANU gave them permission because this essentially would kill any need for LI 2.0.

How so? JY only competes with LI on the ANU BGI sector.

Why so many changes in flight numbers if the aircraft is operating PLS-ANU-BGI-GEO? Why not have 1 flight number? Suppose this has something to do with their route rights perhaps?

Seems like startup Arajet dom. Rep. wants also to fly on the dutch caribbean with the 737max8.
This means even more competition for companies like jet air Curaçao.
There are at this moment already 2 dominican operators on the ABC routes.

https://www.facebook.com/50392437640785 ... 377272867/

caribny wrote:

andrefranca wrote:

Geeeeee long time no seee.... since I escaped Brazil LOL, where are guyanaman, yellowtail etc... ?

guyanam is now caribny. I was wondering where you disappeared to. Glad to see you visiting us again.

Yeah had to go for a while and another tip: do not marry hahaha! no worries now, I filled for the divorce, now I have my freedom back! but you know..... covid.... so not travelling much, and now living in europe.

Video of Caribbean Airlines new 737max8 arriving in piarco.

https://www.facebook.com/10269131687971 ... 588228811/

Brickell305 wrote:

fowlr29 wrote:

caribbean484 wrote:

The question is how can an airline from the Turks and Caicos have all these extraordinary rights to have a number of 7th freedom flights away from its base. Turks and Caicos are also not a signatory to the CARICOM aviation agreement, so how can they be given these rights legally?
The DR airlines are right to call out the behavior of the airline and the route authorities given since they are not a DR airline, so then why is this allowed in the English speaking Caribbean?
I am all for competition as it stimulates economies, but this seems like a bad trend and one where we know the developed countries would not allow this type of operation without an agreement. If this were to happen with JY planning to fly to the US the US airlines would significantly object to the flying say BGI-MIA with or ANU-MIA.

Which airline would have a valid argument to make to their local government though? BGI, SVD, GND, DOM, GEO and EIS must love the extra flights that JY offers while not having a local airline to protect. Would the Bajan government entertain an argument about this with LI? I don't think so, and there's nothing the Antiguan government can do but pull the 5th freedom rights from JY. But again, would they do this? I don't think so.

The ANU portion on the BGI-ANU-BGI isn't 7th freedom, they have it tagged onto a PLS sector on existing 5th freedom rights. Don't think JY has 7th freedom rights out of ANU.

Routing is PLS-ANU-BGI-GEO (overnight) and then GEO-BGI-ANU-PLS with the 145. Other days the GEO-BGI sector returns to GEO.

Agreed. Quite frankly, the governments of the Eastern Caribbean really aren't in a position to deny service to carriers that wish to provide it. They recognize the need to replace LI. They also recognize (with the exception of Antigua) that they don't have the ability to fund their own airline to provide said service. I'm sure if push comes to shove, JY will set up a BGI based subsidiary to get around any restrictions.

We know that the region needs as much airlift for intra regional travel as possible, especially affordable fares and reliable service to keep trade and economic activities.
The issue here is the different flight numbers between flights that suggest these are 7th freedom routing between the islands. That is what is strange about this operation and also the flights from BGI-SLU-SVD -GND.

LimaFoxTango wrote:

caribbean484 wrote:

The question is how can an airline from the Turks and Caicos have all these extraordinary rights to have a number of 7th freedom flights away from its base. Turks and Caicos are also not a signatory to the CARICOM aviation agreement, so how can they be given these rights legally?
The DR airlines are right to call out the behavior of the airline and the route authorities given since they are not a DR airline, so then why is this allowed in the English speaking Caribbean?
I am all for competition as it stimulates economies, but this seems like a bad trend and one where we know the developed countries would not allow this type of operation without an agreement. If this were to happen with JY planning to fly to the US the US airlines would significantly object to the flying say BGI-MIA with or ANU-MIA.

Quite valid questions, and I'm inclined to agree with you, however on what basis can ANU deny service?

Not decline if the flights begin and end in PLS, however if the same flight number is changed between routing (not a/c) then there is a case from someone at LI to object to that routing being used.

As already known 9Y-CAL is in POS, the config is 16J, 36Y+ and 108Y, with J having PTVs and recline. Y will have BYOD
Video of the interior is posted
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akP2JqXMBN8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Om9Q17OF1iI

caribbean484 wrote:

As already known 9Y-CAL is in POS, the config is 16J, 36Y+ and 108Y, with J having PTVs and recline. Y will have BYOD
Video of the interior is posted
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akP2JqXMBN8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Om9Q17OF1iI

Very smart cabin.

caribbean484 wrote:

As already known 9Y-CAL is in POS, the config is 16J, 36Y+ and 108Y, with J having PTVs and recline. Y will have BYOD
Video of the interior is posted
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akP2JqXMBN8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Om9Q17OF1iI

Well the video has been taken down. I hear CAL dont want folks to see. But by the features mentioned it is nothing new and exciting.

Not sure if Belize is considered part of Caricom, but Alaska Airlines operated their first flight to Belize City yesterday. Lots of festivities. Alaska also announced that LA-Belize City will operate year round.

Photos from yesterday's flight from clients of mine,Tropic Air Belize, and Belize Tourism Board:

beeweel15 wrote:

caribbean484 wrote:

As already known 9Y-CAL is in POS, the config is 16J, 36Y+ and 108Y, with J having PTVs and recline. Y will have BYOD
Video of the interior is posted
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akP2JqXMBN8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Om9Q17OF1iI

Well the video has been taken down. I hear CAL dont want folks to see. But by the features mentioned it is nothing new and exciting.

I saw the video before it was removed, and honestly I was not impressed. The purple seats looks ok, but I would've hoped to see seatback IFE and the like.

well nevermind, seems we can't post pics from other sites (this is from my own). oh well!

usxguy wrote:

well nevermind, seems we can't post pics from other sites (this is from my own). oh well!

Try again, maybe a mistake was made. Happens to everyone

usxguy wrote:

Not sure if Belize is considered part of Caricom, but Alaska Airlines operated their first flight to Belize City yesterday. Lots of festivities. Alaska also announced that LA-Belize City will operate year round.

Photos from yesterday's flight from clients of mine,Tropic Air Belize, and Belize Tourism Board:

You're on the correct forum. This may be the closest Alaska gets in terms of Caribbean flying.

Zidane wrote:

usxguy wrote:

Not sure if Belize is considered part of Caricom, but Alaska Airlines operated their first flight to Belize City yesterday. Lots of festivities. Alaska also announced that LA-Belize City will operate year round.

Photos from yesterday's flight from clients of mine,Tropic Air Belize, and Belize Tourism Board:

You're on the correct forum. This may be the closest Alaska gets in terms of Caribbean flying.

I actually wouldn’t be surprised to see AS attempt something like LAX-MBJ or PUJ. They’ve also flown LAX-HAV in the past.

Cubana resuming flights to Buenos Aires. Once a week.

https://www.aviacionline.com/2021/11/cu ... nos-aires/

Winair will start daily flights from SXM to CUR as from december the 6th.

https://curacao.nu/winair-breidt-vluchten-uit/

Second Caribbean B38M (9Y-GUY) expected December 1st, 9:30PM.

Wonder which routes will the MAXes be used from January?

caribny wrote:

Wonder which routes will the MAXes be used from January?

No surprise if they start with the Caribbean legs (458/459/414/415) between KIN and POS initially. (For crew/staff familiarization?)

SkyHigh to start Santo Domingo to Trinidad flights operating once a week on Thursdays with the E145.

novarupta wrote:

caribny wrote:

Wonder which routes will the MAXes be used from January?

No surprise if they start with the Caribbean legs (458/459/414/415) between KIN and POS initially. (For crew/staff familiarization?)

At the end of the day its still a 737. I doubt if any "familiarization" is necessary.

Red Air Dominicana is flying twice a day to MIA from SDQ, charter for now.

fowlr29 wrote:

SkyHigh to start Santo Domingo to Trinidad flights operating once a week on Thursdays with the E145.

they are running charters since October, seems they are doing well

danipawa wrote:

fowlr29 wrote:

SkyHigh to start Santo Domingo to Trinidad flights operating once a week on Thursdays with the E145.

they are running charters since October, seems they are doing well

Can the e145 handle the caribbean loads and baggage?

LimaFoxTango wrote:

novarupta wrote:

caribny wrote:

Wonder which routes will the MAXes be used from January?

No surprise if they start with the Caribbean legs (458/459/414/415) between KIN and POS initially. (For crew/staff familiarization?)

At the end of the day its still a 737. I doubt if any "familiarization" is necessary.

If its based on being competitive with an upgraded product I suggest its POS MIA and its JFK routes. YYZ seems to be fairly dormant for now. BW is so far behind in the KIN US routes that I am not sure if the new aircraft will make a difference.

embraer175e2 wrote:

danipawa wrote:

fowlr29 wrote:

SkyHigh to start Santo Domingo to Trinidad flights operating once a week on Thursdays with the E145.

they are running charters since October, seems they are doing well

Can the e145 handle the caribbean loads and baggage?

They has been flying and looks like its not a problem.

Caribbean007 wrote:

embraer175e2 wrote:

danipawa wrote:

they are running charters since October, seems they are doing well

Can the e145 handle the caribbean loads and baggage?

They has been flying and looks like its not a problem.

Fun fact. An ATR 42 has more baggage capacity (weight and space) than an E145.

LimaFoxTango wrote:

Caribbean007 wrote:

embraer175e2 wrote:

Can the e145 handle the caribbean loads and baggage?

They has been flying and looks like its not a problem.

Fun fact. An ATR 42 has more baggage capacity (weight and space) than an E145.

Interesting how about the Dash 8's ?

Today Skycana/Century put for sale JFK from SDQ and STI, 2 weekly on A321 starting December 15.

LimaFoxTango wrote:

Caribbean007 wrote:

embraer175e2 wrote:

Can the e145 handle the caribbean loads and baggage?

They has been flying and looks like its not a problem.

Fun fact. An ATR 42 has more baggage capacity (weight and space) than an E145.

Yes, and could be best aircraft for the Caribbean, but is slower than ERJ145,

danipawa wrote:

Today Skycana/Century put for sale JFK from SDQ and STI, 2 weekly on A321 starting December 15.

Good news for them. When is their A330 coming?

A388

Caribbean007 wrote:

LimaFoxTango wrote:

Caribbean007 wrote:

They has been flying and looks like its not a problem.

Fun fact. An ATR 42 has more baggage capacity (weight and space) than an E145.

Yes, and could be best aircraft for the Caribbean, but is slower than ERJ145,

On most short routes the ERJ only really shaves off 5-10 minutes, so the speed advantage only really begins to show above the 1:30 Hr mark (~400 ish nm), for almost double the fuel burn - it was the reason LIAT decided against getting RJs in the mid 2000s

novarupta wrote:

caribny wrote:

Wonder which routes will the MAXes be used from January?

No surprise if they start with the Caribbean legs (458/459/414/415) between KIN and POS initially. (For crew/staff familiarization?)

A bw flight attendant friend of mine said they started training last Friday. 9Y-CAL was seen taxiing around Piarco yesterday, not sure what for.

Caribbean007 wrote:

embraer175e2 wrote:

danipawa wrote:

they are running charters since October, seems they are doing well

Can the e145 handle the caribbean loads and baggage?

They has been flying and looks like its not a problem.

Looks from the outside doesnt necesarly means there isnt any problems..
Especially the earlier embraers have baggage limitations.
I tell you from experience.

Also if you look at copa airlines they got rid from their e190s because they couldnt handle the high caribbean and other regional demands of loads ( baggage and cargo)

embraer175e2 wrote:

Caribbean007 wrote:

embraer175e2 wrote:

Can the e145 handle the caribbean loads and baggage?

They has been flying and looks like its not a problem.

Looks from the outside doesnt necesarly means there isnt any problems..
Especially the earlier embraers have baggage limitations.
I tell you from experience.

Also if you look at copa airlines they got rid from their e190s because they couldnt handle the high caribbean and other regional demands of loads ( baggage and cargo)

As mentioned in the Central American thread where you’re probably referring to (and I suggest you go and read the answer to that question you posted there), the baggage/cargo issue was not the primary reason COPA retired their E190 fleet.

novarupta wrote:

Caribbean007 wrote:

LimaFoxTango wrote:

Fun fact. An ATR 42 has more baggage capacity (weight and space) than an E145.

Yes, and could be best aircraft for the Caribbean, but is slower than ERJ145,

On most short routes the ERJ only really shaves off 5-10 minutes, so the speed advantage only really begins to show above the 1:30 Hr mark (~400 ish nm), for almost double the fuel burn - it was the reason LIAT decided against getting RJs in the mid 2000s

And they are almost bankrupt compared to intercaribbean which is still growing. So bad decision of liat.
Advantage of the e145 is that it can open many thin routes up. Which is done by the santo domingo and turks and caicos operators of it.
Disadvantage of the e145 is baggage capacity for the caribbean.

embraer175e2 wrote:

novarupta wrote:

Caribbean007 wrote:

Yes, and could be best aircraft for the Caribbean, but is slower than ERJ145,

On most short routes the ERJ only really shaves off 5-10 minutes, so the speed advantage only really begins to show above the 1:30 Hr mark (~400 ish nm), for almost double the fuel burn - it was the reason LIAT decided against getting RJs in the mid 2000s

And they are almost bankrupt compared to intercaribbean which is still growing. So bad decision of liat.
Advantage of the e145 is that it can open many thin routes up. Which is done by the santo domingo and turks and caicos operators of it.
Disadvantage of the e145 is baggage capacity for the caribbean.

Please do more research before making such statements - if you follow the discussion here in this thread, you will see that LIAT being in its current state has nothing to do with the aircraft type it operates.

Does anyone know how flight loads are looking into the region? Anecdotally it seems EI's loads into BGI have been pretty abysmal I've seen multiple references to these flights having no more than 40 pax on board. In addition, with this new variant of Covid the future is perhaps dim for international travel.

baje427 wrote:

Does anyone know how flight loads are looking into the region? Anecdotally it seems EI's loads into BGI have been pretty abysmal I've seen multiple references to these flights having no more than 40 pax on board. In addition, with this new variant of Covid the future is perhaps dim for international travel.

Regarding Antigua

With BA it looks as though loads have fallen off a bit from a peak in around mid-late October, as we’re back to just one daily out of Gatwick (we had two on about three or four days weekly at one stage, as well as a BA out of Heathrow, but those have stopped). Loads on VS out of Heathrow aren’t bad but seem vary a fair bit day to day.

Loads out of Canada seem to be on the upswing, with RV deploying the A321 and WS recently resuming out of Toronto. Miami and Newark seems to be on the rise regarding loads as well, AA having two 737s out of Miami on Saturdays (one on the other days), while we have UA and B6 now operating out of Newark with consistent decent load factor (70-75ish percent load factor average from what I gathered at work).

Inter island traffic is still hit and miss out of Antigua - LIAT is pretty much still in limbo, slowly adding/resuming more routes and getting be third airplane back online (undergoing a heavy check here and was briefly parts donor). But that’s all still in the balance - the government claims investors are onboard but I take that with a bucket of seasoning. Inter Caribbean has one or two flights weekly out of Barbados/Provo using the E145 (so far just one seems to be operating?), and one daily out of Tortola. Sky high has been pretty full on their once weekly (Saturdays) out of SDQ. Caribbean Airlines seems to be doing ok with the once weekly POS-ANU-POS using the ATR as well, same for the twice weekly operation out of KIN.

Question though - isn’t the cruise ship home-porting helping the the loads out of the UK/EU? Have you seen any increase in that regard?

Mods - please delete this - accidental duplicate

A388 wrote:

danipawa wrote:

Today Skycana/Century put for sale JFK from SDQ and STI, 2 weekly on A321 starting December 15.

Good news for them. When is their A330 coming?

A388

The 330 was announce to do the flights to JFK, but they change their plan and now will be using A321.

novarupta wrote:

baje427 wrote:

Does anyone know how flight loads are looking into the region? Anecdotally it seems EI's loads into BGI have been pretty abysmal I've seen multiple references to these flights having no more than 40 pax on board. In addition, with this new variant of Covid the future is perhaps dim for international travel.

Regarding Antigua

With BA it looks as though loads have fallen off a bit from a peak in around mid-late October, as we’re back to just one daily out of Gatwick (we had two on about three or four days weekly at one stage, as well as a BA out of Heathrow, but those have stopped). Loads on VS out of Heathrow aren’t bad but seem vary a fair bit day to day.

Loads out of Canada seem to be on the upswing, with RV deploying the A321 and WS recently resuming out of Toronto. Miami and Newark seems to be on the rise regarding loads as well, AA having two 737s out of Miami on Saturdays (one on the other days), while we have UA and B6 now operating out of Newark with consistent decent load factor (70-75ish percent load factor average from what I gathered at work).

Inter island traffic is still hit and miss out of Antigua - LIAT is pretty much still in limbo, slowly adding/resuming more routes and getting be third airplane back online (undergoing a heavy check here and was briefly parts donor). But that’s all still in the balance - the government claims investors are onboard but I take that with a bucket of seasoning. Inter Caribbean has one or two flights weekly out of Barbados/Provo using the E145 (so far just one seems to be operating?), and one daily out of Tortola. Sky high has been pretty full on their once weekly (Saturdays) out of SDQ. Caribbean Airlines seems to be doing ok with the once weekly POS-ANU-POS using the ATR as well, same for the twice weekly operation out of KIN.

Question though - isn’t the cruise ship home-porting helping the the loads out of the UK/EU? Have you seen any increase in that regard?

In terms of cruise traffic BY handles most of these I think . I would say the number of flights have been slightly down compared to pre Covid levels but I can't speak to the loads. I had a relative arrive last week on AA via CLT and they said there were about 50 people on the plane including the crew. On the ground things seem busier.

novarupta wrote:

baje427 wrote:

Does anyone know how flight loads are looking into the region? Anecdotally it seems EI's loads into BGI have been pretty abysmal I've seen multiple references to these flights having no more than 40 pax on board. In addition, with this new variant of Covid the future is perhaps dim for international travel.

Regarding Antigua

With BA it looks as though loads have fallen off a bit from a peak in around mid-late October, as we’re back to just one daily out of Gatwick (we had two on about three or four days weekly at one stage, as well as a BA out of Heathrow, but those have stopped). Loads on VS out of Heathrow aren’t bad but seem vary a fair bit day to day.

Loads out of Canada seem to be on the upswing, with RV deploying the A321 and WS recently resuming out of Toronto. Miami and Newark seems to be on the rise regarding loads as well, AA having two 737s out of Miami on Saturdays (one on the other days), while we have UA and B6 now operating out of Newark with consistent decent load factor (70-75ish percent load factor average from what I gathered at work).

Inter island traffic is still hit and miss out of Antigua - LIAT is pretty much still in limbo, slowly adding/resuming more routes and getting be third airplane back online (undergoing a heavy check here and was briefly parts donor). But that’s all still in the balance - the government claims investors are onboard but I take that with a bucket of seasoning. Inter Caribbean has one or two flights weekly out of Barbados/Provo using the E145 (so far just one seems to be operating?), and one daily out of Tortola. Sky high has been pretty full on their once weekly (Saturdays) out of SDQ. Caribbean Airlines seems to be doing ok with the once weekly POS-ANU-POS using the ATR as well, same for the twice weekly operation out of KIN.

Question though - isn’t the cruise ship home-porting helping the the loads out of the UK/EU? Have you seen any increase in that regard?

When did UA restart EWR-ANU? What days does it fly? Also, isn't ANU-KIN on BW only once weekly on Sundays?