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Re: Emirates unveils new Premium Economy Class

Sun Jan 03, 2021 8:48 am

Airlinerdude wrote:
It looks like A6-EVN is going to be used on EK003/004 (DXB/LHR) effective January 4 for the foreseeable future. Premium economy isn't bookable yet. Nice surprise for anyone booked on these flights.


Yes. It has been announced by the airline.
 
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Re: Emirates unveils new Premium Economy Class

Sun Jan 03, 2021 8:54 am

Until more PE seats enters the airline inventory, Emirates will be upgrading Economy class passengers to the new class on a discretionary basis.

Source: https://www.emirates.com/media-centre/e ... to-london/
 
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Re: Emirates unveils new Premium Economy Class

Sun Jan 03, 2021 3:04 pm

Did Emirates publish the new layout, how does the seat selection process works with missing rows in sole PE equipped frame. Did they block a section?
 
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Re: Emirates unveils new Premium Economy Class

Sun Jan 03, 2021 4:12 pm

dtw2hyd wrote:
Did Emirates publish the new layout, how does the seat selection process works with missing rows in sole PE equipped frame. Did they block a section?


Not seen published lay out.

Seat selection not show for PE at all. Just the available econ/bizz seats for selections(s).
 
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Re: Emirates unveils new Premium Economy Class

Sun Jan 03, 2021 4:38 pm

Looks amazing for a Premium Economy seat. Im not sure if over time my opinion would change, but the wood on the walls actually creates a more "cozy" feel to the cabin, IMO. Yes i would not want it on the side of my car but in this case it will subliminally provide comfort. Nice one EK and keep those beautiful big birds in the air please #LongLivetheA380
 
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Re: Emirates unveils new Premium Economy Class

Sun Jan 03, 2021 6:54 pm

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Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

Mon Jan 04, 2021 12:06 pm

Emirates A388 A6-EVN has entered service operating EK3 DXB-LHR

https://twitter.com/a380fanclub/status/ ... 34305?s=20
 
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Re: Emirates unveils new Premium Economy Class

Mon Jan 04, 2021 1:13 pm

Emirates yesterday has sent several invitations to a number of influencers on Social Media to try the new Premium Economy seats.

According to an Adel Al Redha, who was recently interviewed by Sam Chui, 55% of the fleet will be retrofitted with the PE class.

55% of the A380 fleet or the existing fleet??

Link: https://samchui.com/2021/01/03/first-lo ... _MT3MA0olR
 
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Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

Mon Jan 04, 2021 2:56 pm

Rumor: Emirates to announce TLV soon.
 
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Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

Mon Jan 04, 2021 3:36 pm

xwb777 wrote:
Rumor: Emirates to announce TLV soon.


Rumored start date 15 FEB with 777. No further details available.
 
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Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

Mon Jan 04, 2021 4:10 pm

Out of curiosity, how often is EK flying pax aircraft to Nairobi?
 
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Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

Mon Jan 04, 2021 4:21 pm

MileHFL400 wrote:
Out of curiosity, how often is EK flying pax aircraft to Nairobi?


To the best of my knowledge, they r flying daily
 
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Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

Mon Jan 04, 2021 6:11 pm

erikgrinsvall wrote:
xwb777 wrote:
Emirates to resume flights to Seattle in February 2021 with 4 weekly flights operated by the 2-Class B77W.


As far as I am aware, EK does not sit on a 2-class B77W that is fitted with a CRC. So It'll most likely be a 3-class B77W or 2-class B77L.


https://www.emirates.com/english/experience/our-fleet/boeing-777/

The B77Ws do have a two-class high-density configuration
 
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Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

Mon Jan 04, 2021 6:25 pm

RainerBoeing777 wrote:
erikgrinsvall wrote:
xwb777 wrote:
Emirates to resume flights to Seattle in February 2021 with 4 weekly flights operated by the 2-Class B77W.


As far as I am aware, EK does not sit on a 2-class B77W that is fitted with a CRC. So It'll most likely be a 3-class B77W or 2-class B77L.


https://www.emirates.com/english/experience/our-fleet/boeing-777/

The B77Ws do have a two-class high-density configuration

He said fitted with a CRC, which I’m guessing means cockpit/crew rest compartment necessary for a trip this length in this context.
 
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Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

Mon Jan 04, 2021 6:50 pm

Polot wrote:
RainerBoeing777 wrote:
erikgrinsvall wrote:

As far as I am aware, EK does not sit on a 2-class B77W that is fitted with a CRC. So It'll most likely be a 3-class B77W or 2-class B77L.


https://www.emirates.com/english/experience/our-fleet/boeing-777/

The B77Ws do have a two-class high-density configuration

He said fitted with a CRC, which I’m guessing means cockpit/crew rest compartment necessary for a trip this length in this context.


Correct,

The following EK -300 ER have the aft overhead crew rest:

-EBQ/R/U/W/Y - 8F/42J/304Y - 349t MTOW
-ECA/C/D/E/F/G/H/I/J/K/M/N/O/R/S/T/U/V/W/X/Y/Z - 8F/42J/304Y - 351.5t MTOW
-EGA/B/C/E/F/H/I - 8F/42J/304Y - 351.5t MTOW
-EPV/W/X/Y/Z - 8F/42J/306Y - 351.5t MTOW
-EQA/B/C/D/E/F/G - 8F/42J/306Y - 351.5t MTOW
-EQH/I/J/K/L/M/N/P/Q - 6F/42J/306Y - 351.5t MTOW

Aircraft without the aft overhead crew rest are limited to sectors < 12 hours scheduled block time - All 8F/42J/310Y and 42J/386T are configured without it and have a lower 340t MTOW.
 
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Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

Wed Jan 06, 2021 11:47 am

Emirates A388 A6-EOR has entered storage at DWC after positioning from DXB

https://twitter.com/a380fanclub/status/ ... 69921?s=20
 
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Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

Wed Jan 06, 2021 12:43 pm

Qantas744er wrote:

EQH/I/J/K/L/M/N/P/Q - 6F/42J/306Y - 351.5t MTOW



Does the 6F indicate these birds have new F suites ?
 
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Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

Wed Jan 06, 2021 3:05 pm

iadadd wrote:
Qantas744er wrote:

EQH/I/J/K/L/M/N/P/Q - 6F/42J/306Y - 351.5t MTOW



Does the 6F indicate these birds have new F suites ?


Yes it does.
 
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Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

Wed Jan 06, 2021 3:10 pm

In the last thread someone said that Emirates wants to cancel their A350s. When challenged the person who said so didn't respond. So is it worth asking if there is any truth to this or is it just a made up rumor?


viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1439035&start=1650#p22520383
 
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Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

Wed Jan 06, 2021 3:22 pm

zkojq wrote:
In the last thread someone said that Emirates wants to cancel their A350s. When challenged the person who said so didn't respond. So is it worth asking if there is any truth to this or is it just a made up rumor?


viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1439035&start=1650#p22520383


French potato eye speculated that the 359's will be cancelled (page 31), as far as I can tell there has been nothing further than his/her speculation at this time.
 
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Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

Mon Jan 11, 2021 11:37 am

Emirates, in addition to SEA, to resume DFW and SFO and increase LAX and JFK.

Emirates US Network now: BOS, ORD, IAH, LAX, JFK, and IAD.

Feb 1:
SEA - 4x weekly
JFK - 14x weekly at double daily
LAX - From what I think was a few times/week will go daily

March 2 :
SFO - 4x weekly
DFW - 3x weekly - Operated by their 772LR

Press Release: https://www.emirates.com/media-centre/e ... er-demand/
 
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Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

Mon Jan 11, 2021 4:39 pm

EK216 wrote:
Emirates, in addition to SEA, to resume DFW and SFO and increase LAX and JFK.

Emirates US Network now: BOS, ORD, IAH, LAX, JFK, and IAD.

Feb 1:
SEA - 4x weekly
JFK - 14x weekly at double daily
LAX - From what I think was a few times/week will go daily

March 2 :
SFO - 4x weekly
DFW - 3x weekly - Operated by their 772LR

Press Release: https://www.emirates.com/media-centre/e ... er-demand/


What about MCO & FLL , are they cancelled for good?
 
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Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

Tue Jan 12, 2021 1:41 am

Any news of EK wanting to start Doha operations,
 
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Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

Tue Jan 12, 2021 8:08 am

kxngb wrote:
Any news of EK wanting to start Doha operations,

I'm sure someone there in EK is thinking about it , but it need sometime as it should start from zero. they have to recruit new staff and open an office and other formalities. it will happen for sure , but not as used to be before , i would say a daily 77L will be used in between long-haul flights schedule.
 
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Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:23 am

EK216 wrote:
Emirates, in addition to SEA, to resume DFW and SFO and increase LAX and JFK.

Emirates US Network now: BOS, ORD, IAH, LAX, JFK, and IAD.

Feb 1:
SEA - 4x weekly
JFK - 14x weekly at double daily
LAX - From what I think was a few times/week will go daily

March 2 :
SFO - 4x weekly
DFW - 3x weekly - Operated by their 772LR

Press Release: https://www.emirates.com/media-centre/e ... er-demand/


I wonder how they are able to restart DFW without permission to transport connecting pax to India. Of all the US routes, this one has got to have the highest share of flows to India...
 
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Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:44 am

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I'm sure someone there in EK is thinking about it , but it need sometime as it should start from zero. they have to recruit new staff and open an office and other formalities. it will happen for sure , but not as used to be before , i would say a daily 77L will be used in between long-haul flights schedule.


Do they really need to recruit new staff and open a new office? They can contract QR or a local ground agent to take over ground/ramp handling until further notice. Any sales and back office operation can be based in Dubai with or without the help from an appointed local agent in Qatar. I mean even if EK wants to have their own staff and ground/ramp handling, there is nothing stop them opening the flights first with a temporary contract then slowly set up a more permanent shop.
 
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Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

Tue Jan 12, 2021 10:15 am

Ncfc99 wrote:
zkojq wrote:
In the last thread someone said that Emirates wants to cancel their A350s. When challenged the person who said so didn't respond. So is it worth asking if there is any truth to this or is it just a made up rumor?


viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1439035&start=1650#p22520383


French potato eye speculated that the 359's will be cancelled (page 31), as far as I can tell there has been nothing further than his/her speculation at this time.


I never understood why they would need both 787-9 and A350-900. If it was 787-10 and A350-900 I would understand (but then the A330-900 would be in question). Sure, the A350-900 has a bit more capacity and range but not that much that I would add another type to the fleet.

I think a fleet of A330-900 for regional and medium haul, 787-9 for longer thin routes and 777-300ER/777X for the rest does the job pretty well.
The only advantage in ordering the A350-900 additional to the 787 I see is if they plan to add A350-1000s later on to replace parts of the 777-300ER fleet.
 
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Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

Tue Jan 12, 2021 10:59 am

DLHAM wrote:
Ncfc99 wrote:
zkojq wrote:
In the last thread someone said that Emirates wants to cancel their A350s. When challenged the person who said so didn't respond. So is it worth asking if there is any truth to this or is it just a made up rumor?


viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1439035&start=1650#p22520383


French potato eye speculated that the 359's will be cancelled (page 31), as far as I can tell there has been nothing further than his/her speculation at this time.


I never understood why they would need both 787-9 and A350-900. If it was 787-10 and A350-900 I would understand (but then the A330-900 would be in question). Sure, the A350-900 has a bit more capacity and range but not that much that I would add another type to the fleet.

I think a fleet of A330-900 for regional and medium haul, 787-9 for longer thin routes and 777-300ER/777X for the rest does the job pretty well.
The only advantage in ordering the A350-900 additional to the 787 I see is if they plan to add A350-1000s later on to replace parts of the 777-300ER fleet.


It seemed that STC got himself into more and more of a mess with his extravagant ordering of the A380s.
However this then morphed into a rapidly-growing necessity to back down as far as still possible and re-profile. Meanwhile obligations had been entered into and deposits paid.
All A330-900 and A350-900 would have been a much more structurally-efficient fleet however having some 787 in the mix may have given him better negotiating leverage with Airbus.

I recall at one stage before the long A350 delays the plan was all A380 and A350! :bigthumbsup:

cheers
 
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Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

Thu Jan 14, 2021 7:55 am

Emirates expects full fleet to be in the air by year end.

https://www.reuters.com/article/emirate ... SKBN29I1VH
 
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Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

Thu Jan 14, 2021 8:36 am

Emirates expects B777X EIS to slip to 2023 or even further

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-emir ... SKBN29I2SF
 
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Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

Sat Jan 16, 2021 7:15 am

BNE, SYD and MEL are also on the list of temporarily suspended, but are suspended 'until further notice'.

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... e-brisbane
 
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Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

Sat Jan 16, 2021 11:31 am

PJ01 wrote:
BNE, SYD and MEL are also on the list of temporarily suspended, but are suspended 'until further notice'.

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... e-brisbane


Is this all flights on suspending passenger bookings; i.e. will EK continue to operate flights for freight?
 
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Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:01 pm

chonetsao wrote:
UAEflyer wrote:
I'm sure someone there in EK is thinking about it , but it need sometime as it should start from zero. they have to recruit new staff and open an office and other formalities. it will happen for sure , but not as used to be before , i would say a daily 77L will be used in between long-haul flights schedule.


Do they really need to recruit new staff and open a new office? They can contract QR or a local ground agent to take over ground/ramp handling until further notice. Any sales and back office operation can be based in Dubai with or without the help from an appointed local agent in Qatar. I mean even if EK wants to have their own staff and ground/ramp handling, there is nothing stop them opening the flights first with a temporary contract then slowly set up a more permanent shop.

Catering deals
Lounge access agreements
Emergency response agreements
Transport and accommodation agreements in case an aircraft goes kaput and crew and pax are stranded
Check-in counter space

etc. etc.

Lots to organise, can't just start up ops straight away. I don't think pax in F would be happy with a $10 McDonald's voucher just because a lounge agreement hasn't been signed. You've then lost that F passenger for life.
 
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Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

Sat Jan 16, 2021 5:04 pm

myki wrote:
chonetsao wrote:
UAEflyer wrote:
I'm sure someone there in EK is thinking about it , but it need sometime as it should start from zero. they have to recruit new staff and open an office and other formalities. it will happen for sure , but not as used to be before , i would say a daily 77L will be used in between long-haul flights schedule.


Do they really need to recruit new staff and open a new office? They can contract QR or a local ground agent to take over ground/ramp handling until further notice. Any sales and back office operation can be based in Dubai with or without the help from an appointed local agent in Qatar. I mean even if EK wants to have their own staff and ground/ramp handling, there is nothing stop them opening the flights first with a temporary contract then slowly set up a more permanent shop.

Catering deals
Lounge access agreements
Emergency response agreements
Transport and accommodation agreements in case an aircraft goes kaput and crew and pax are stranded
Check-in counter space

etc. etc.

Lots to organise, can't just start up ops straight away. I don't think pax in F would be happy with a $10 McDonald's voucher just because a lounge agreement hasn't been signed. You've then lost that F passenger for life.


Yes but that is exactly my point. What you said about:
{catering deals
lounge contracts
ramp contracts
...}
can all be organised by contract a local ground agent rather than the original poster suggested [to recruit new staff and open a new office]
 
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Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

Sat Jan 16, 2021 5:35 pm

+1. FYI Fiji Airways operated for several months without a station manager in BNE- Menzies handled everything and if an issue came up they couldn't fix/or didn't have authority there was an operational number to call in NAN, so no you don't even need your own staff on deck for a while.
 
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Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

Sun Jan 17, 2021 6:12 am

NZ321 wrote:
PJ01 wrote:
BNE, SYD and MEL are also on the list of temporarily suspended, but are suspended 'until further notice'.

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... e-brisbane


Is this all flights on suspending passenger bookings; i.e. will EK continue to operate flights for freight?


Unsure, but quite likely cargo flights will continue IMO.
 
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Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

Sun Jan 17, 2021 6:45 am

chonetsao wrote:
myki wrote:
chonetsao wrote:

Do they really need to recruit new staff and open a new office? They can contract QR or a local ground agent to take over ground/ramp handling until further notice. Any sales and back office operation can be based in Dubai with or without the help from an appointed local agent in Qatar. I mean even if EK wants to have their own staff and ground/ramp handling, there is nothing stop them opening the flights first with a temporary contract then slowly set up a more permanent shop.

Catering deals
Lounge access agreements
Emergency response agreements
Transport and accommodation agreements in case an aircraft goes kaput and crew and pax are stranded
Check-in counter space

etc. etc.

Lots to organise, can't just start up ops straight away. I don't think pax in F would be happy with a $10 McDonald's voucher just because a lounge agreement hasn't been signed. You've then lost that F passenger for life.


Yes but that is exactly my point. What you said about:
{catering deals
lounge contracts
ramp contracts
...}
can all be organised by contract a local ground agent rather than the original poster suggested [to recruit new staff and open a new office]


Given the current demand situation, EK are probably not in a hurry to launch these flights. They can take a month or two to get all the agreements in place for a proper launch.

As for launching flights to cement the political relations between the countries, I imagine EY may launch quickly as they are the UAE's flag carrier.
 
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Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

Sun Jan 17, 2021 8:32 pm

Wonder when LAX/SFO will go back to A380s
 
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Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

Sun Jan 17, 2021 10:03 pm

Would these Australia flights resume for the northern hemisphere summer season? I would have thought European, African, and Mid-Eastern tourists would be heading down south given that sufficient vaccinations take place.
 
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Sun Jan 17, 2021 10:15 pm

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Would these Australia flights resume for the northern hemisphere summer season? I would have thought European, African, and Mid-Eastern tourists would be heading down south given that sufficient vaccinations take place.


It seems to be crew shortage related, there is no way however that there will be sufficient vaccinations by Northern summer 2021. Australia will remain closed for some time to Europe, Africa and Middle East.
 
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Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

Sun Jan 17, 2021 10:37 pm

acavpics wrote:
Would these Australia flights resume for the northern hemisphere summer season? I would have thought European, African, and Mid-Eastern tourists would be heading down south given that sufficient vaccinations take place.

I would assume once the quota for returnees into Australia increases again (having been decreased in most states last week) then EK will resume their limited schedules into Australia.
 
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Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

Sun Jan 17, 2021 11:03 pm

acavpics wrote:
Would these Australia flights resume for the northern hemisphere summer season? I would have thought European, African, and Mid-Eastern tourists would be heading down south given that sufficient vaccinations take place.


Australia will be exceedingly cautious in reopening its international borders. Don’t expect it to happen this year apart maybe from a bubble with NZ. The evidence for all the vaccines is thus far ultra short term (not much more than two months worth of results to interpret in the published literature so far). I expect a gradual staggered reopening with a few rules including no vaccine, no travel and mandatory negative tests before leaving your country of origin unless it is COVID free. So even as the borders open, the uptake/influx of incoming travellers will be slow and gradual. It will take years before travel to/from Oz will be anywhere near pre-COVID levels.
 
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Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

Mon Jan 18, 2021 1:52 am

ZK-NBT wrote:
acavpics wrote:
Would these Australia flights resume for the northern hemisphere summer season? I would have thought European, African, and Mid-Eastern tourists would be heading down south given that sufficient vaccinations take place.


It seems to be crew shortage related, there is no way however that there will be sufficient vaccinations by Northern summer 2021. Australia will remain closed for some time to Europe, Africa and Middle East.


What about the proposed "vaccine passports"? They still won't allow foreign leisure travel even with those?
 
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Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

Mon Jan 18, 2021 1:56 am

soyuz wrote:

Australia will be exceedingly cautious in reopening its international borders. Don’t expect it to happen this year apart maybe from a bubble with NZ. The evidence for all the vaccines is thus far ultra short term (not much more than two months worth of results to interpret in the published literature so far). I expect a gradual staggered reopening with a few rules including no vaccine, no travel and mandatory negative tests before leaving your country of origin unless it is COVID free. So even as the borders open, the uptake/influx of incoming travellers will be slow and gradual. It will take years before travel to/from Oz will be anywhere near pre-COVID levels.


Published data suggests 95% efficacy for both Moderna and Pfizer vaccines. Better yet, most developed countries expect it to be widely available to general public by June. So they would just be shooting themselves in the foot by doing what you just suggested.
 
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Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

Tue Jan 19, 2021 12:41 am

Even with a 95% effective vaccine, that is 15 people per full wide body.

I would assume Australia will want their population to be well vaccinated before opening their borders widely.
 
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Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

Tue Jan 19, 2021 3:48 am

soyuz wrote:
Australia will be exceedingly cautious in reopening its international borders. Don’t expect it to happen this year apart maybe from a bubble with NZ. The evidence for all the vaccines is thus far ultra short term (not much more than two months worth of results to interpret in the published literature so far). I expect a gradual staggered reopening with a few rules including no vaccine, no travel and mandatory negative tests before leaving your country of origin unless it is COVID free. So even as the borders open, the uptake/influx of incoming travellers will be slow and gradual. It will take years before travel to/from Oz will be anywhere near pre-COVID levels.


Realistically we're not far away from countries allowing proof of vaccine to make you exempt from Covid testing or mandatory quarantine. Maybe even as soon as April it might be something some countries begin to consider.

Just from reading comments on this forum, as well as a few articles on the subject from Australian media, there seems to be a fair amount of skepticism on the mid-term efficacy of the vaccines. Hopefully this narrative changes as more evidence of its efficacy emerges and Australia can consider a different approach. Otherwise, it's to Australia's detriment if they intend on making international travel impossible despite it being reasonably safe.
 
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Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

Tue Jan 19, 2021 4:00 am

Airlinerdude wrote:
soyuz wrote:
Australia will be exceedingly cautious in reopening its international borders. Don’t expect it to happen this year apart maybe from a bubble with NZ. The evidence for all the vaccines is thus far ultra short term (not much more than two months worth of results to interpret in the published literature so far). I expect a gradual staggered reopening with a few rules including no vaccine, no travel and mandatory negative tests before leaving your country of origin unless it is COVID free. So even as the borders open, the uptake/influx of incoming travellers will be slow and gradual. It will take years before travel to/from Oz will be anywhere near pre-COVID levels.


Realistically we're not far away from countries allowing proof of vaccine to make you exempt from Covid testing or mandatory quarantine. Maybe even as soon as April it might be something some countries begin to consider.

Just from reading comments on this forum, as well as a few articles on the subject from Australian media, there seems to be a fair amount of skepticism on the mid-term efficacy of the vaccines. Hopefully this narrative changes as more evidence of its efficacy emerges and Australia can consider a different approach. Otherwise, it's to Australia's detriment if they intend on making international travel impossible despite it being reasonably safe.


Im guessing you're not in Australia? But currently we're doing extremely well in the global scheme of things with our border closed. Im all for our cautious approach to reopening.....
 
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Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

Tue Jan 19, 2021 3:13 pm

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Even with a 95% effective vaccine, that is 15 people per full wide body.

I would assume Australia will want their population to be well vaccinated before opening their borders widely.

The plan I assume is to make sure those 15 do not get onto the airplane.

Mandatory proof of vaccination and severe penalties for the offender and the airline to deter cheaters would be a good start.

A system based on personal integrity has no chance of working.

We saw the recent case in the US where a man expired on a cross country flight with his wife saying she knew he was COVID+ but just wanted to get him home.

People really don't seem to care how their decisions impact others.
 
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Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

Tue Jan 19, 2021 4:31 pm

I hope a few rules around travel, vaccines and masks aren't being perceived as putting one's life on hold and removing enjoyment from one's life.

Better to focus on what one can do rather than what one cannot, IMO.
 
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Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

Tue Jan 19, 2021 9:37 pm

Emirates has partnered with the International Air Transport Association (IATA) to become one of the first airlines in the world to trial IATA Travel Pass – a mobile app to help passengers easily and securely manage their travel in line with any government requirements for COVID-19 testing or vaccine information.

IATA Travel Pass enables Emirates passengers to create a ‘digital passport’ to verify their pre-travel test or vaccination meets the requirements of the destination. They will also be able to share the test and vaccination certificates with authorities and airlines to facilitate travel. The new app will also enable travellers to manage all travel documentation digitally and seamlessly throughout the travel experience.

Nick Careen, IATA Senior Vice President for Airport, Passenger, Cargo and Security said: “... This is the first step in making international travel during the pandemic as convenient as possible giving people the confidence that they are meeting all COVID-19 entry requirements by governments. As borders re-open, IATA Travel Pass will be further enhanced with more capabilities to meet all governments testing or vaccination verification requirements and Emirates customers will be among the first to have these services.”

The platform will also enable authorized labs and test centres to securely send test results or vaccination certificates to passengers.


https://www.emirates.com/media-centre/e ... ification/

This is quite an interesting development and innovative approach. It sure seems like EK is trying to lead the recovery of international air travel. I wonder how successful this program might be and whether governments will adopt this app.

This tends to support my view expressed in post 44 that there will be a method of Covid vaccine reporting that may exempt you from Covid testing and quarantine, making international travel much more convenient in the not too distant future.
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