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Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

Wed Sep 15, 2021 4:06 pm

Starting from 31OCT21, the A380 will be re-scheduled on the DXB-MXP-JFK flight.
 
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Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:25 pm

In latest Emirates's IG post, they are looking to hire 3,000 new cabin crew and 500 airport services employees to join their Dubai hub.

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EK 787/A350

Sun Sep 19, 2021 4:12 am

Hi folks!
I have done a search for similar topics and nothing came up, so politely point out if I missed something, and don't flame me.

In a couple of years, Emirates will receive their first A350-900 & 787-9 aircraft. Most articles so far point out unserved markets that EK would be able to reach economically like Mexico City, secondary cities in South America and further new destinations in Africa. I think what has been missed entirely is going for increased frequency in currently served markets where frequency restrictions do not exist and the market is strong and growing.

Qatar Airways services to Lagos are a great example of how a smaller plane with increased frequency are a better alternative than one single daily flight on a larger aircraft. Double daily 787-8 service allows more connections at the Doha hub.

As a West African I tend to be more familiar with that region, and it would not shock me to see Dakar and Conakry increase frequency from current 4x weekly with smaller aircraft than present 77W. 77W is simply too much plane for some markets.

I wonder if EK will one-up QR by presenting a First Class cabin on these smaller birds. If BA can pull it off (787-9 only), then surely the mighty EK can. Right?

Anyone see it differently? How else can this play out? Let's speculate away!
 
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Re: EK 787/A350

Sun Sep 19, 2021 4:41 am

I think these aircraft can't come quickly enough for EK. The pandemic must have really brought home to EK the fact that having a 350/440 seater aircraft (depending on the 77W's config) as your smallest aircraft is not ideal. It certainly does not allow the level of frequency they would like, whatever about adding new routes - which probably won't happen for a while, at least until one of the new types is in service.

I think the days of F class are over, apart from premium markets like London, SIN, SYD and some US markets. I'd be surprised if either type had a F class section; I'd expect both to have a three class - J/W/Y config. A good J class on an airline like EK/QR gives you all the convenience and privacy you could reasonably want. If you think of it this way; EK has probably already tapped all of the likely premium markets it can, already, so any new markets would not likely be premium heavy. I can see EK going back to ADL and adding some new US cities, maybe DEN/LAS, possibly YVR or YYC in Canada, or secondary Japanese and Chinese cities.

Spitballing here, but I wonder if the continuing issues with the 787 might cause EK to seek earlier A359 deliveries, or even rejig the order in favour of A350s? I suspect they really can't get a "smaller" widebody soon enough.
 
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Re: EK 787/A350

Sun Sep 19, 2021 4:47 am

kaitak wrote:
I think these aircraft can't come quickly enough for EK. The pandemic must have really brought home to EK the fact that having a 350/440 seater aircraft (depending on the 77W's config) as your smallest aircraft is not ideal. It certainly does not allow the level of frequency they would like, whatever about adding new routes - which probably won't happen for a while, at least until one of the new types is in service.

I think the days of F class are over, apart from premium markets like London, SIN, SYD and some US markets. I'd be surprised if either type had a F class section; I'd expect both to have a three class - J/W/Y config. A good J class on an airline like EK/QR gives you all the convenience and privacy you could reasonably want. If you think of it this way; EK has probably already tapped all of the likely premium markets it can, already, so any new markets would not likely be premium heavy. I can see EK going back to ADL and adding some new US cities, maybe DEN/LAS, possibly YVR or YYC in Canada, or secondary Japanese and Chinese cities.

Spitballing here, but I wonder if the continuing issues with the 787 might cause EK to seek earlier A359 deliveries, or even rejig the order in favour of A350s? I suspect they really can't get a "smaller" widebody soon enough.


Interesting comments. Yes, you are right to assume most F traffic is already served by EK in potential markets or with 77W when market matures and is "upgauged". Wishful thinking on my part.

Canada is insanely protective of Air Canada so no, there will not be a new city served before Toronto goes daily. Can't see it happening. :-(
Western Canada sure could use some premium competition. KLM is not a premium airline. I don't care what anyone says.
 
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Re: EK 787/A350

Sun Sep 19, 2021 5:14 am

ghdc10 wrote:
Hi folks!
I have done a search for similar topics and nothing came up, so politely point out if I missed something, and don't flame me.

In a couple of years, Emirates will receive their first A350-900 & 787-9 aircraft. Most articles so far point out unserved markets that EK would be able to reach economically like Mexico City, secondary cities in South America and further new destinations in Africa. I think what has been missed entirely is going for increased frequency in currently served markets where frequency restrictions do not exist and the market is strong and growing.

Qatar Airways services to Lagos are a great example of how a smaller plane with increased frequency are a better alternative than one single daily flight on a larger aircraft. Double daily 787-8 service allows more connections at the Doha hub.

As a West African I tend to be more familiar with that region, and it would not shock me to see Dakar and Conakry increase frequency from current 4x weekly with smaller aircraft than present 77W. 77W is simply too much plane for some markets.

I wonder if EK will one-up QR by presenting a First Class cabin on these smaller birds. If BA can pull it off (787-9 only), then surely the mighty EK can. Right?

Anyone see it differently? How else can this play out? Let's speculate away!



What is the actual plan for the 789/359 fleets? I would think quite a few will replace 77Ws, both long haul and short haul, so maybe there will be some A359s with a 4 class configuration? I think I recall reading they would use them on flights up to 12hrs some time ago? While longer flights will transition to 779s when they come into the fleet. While others will as you say right size markets where the 77W is to big so they can increase frequency, EK are the kings when it comes to connections, when the market was good pre covid they did amazingly well with just A380/77W, plus 10 77Ls, but very little flexibility on smaller routes. DXB was pretty full so there wasn't much room in peak hub times for more flights, when do they move to DWC?
 
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Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

Sun Sep 19, 2021 6:38 am

The main issue facing EK with these smaller frames is slots in DXB. Pre-Covid everything was simply build around increasing the seat count per slot. That restriction is still there. There will be no DWC for at least the next decade IMHO. And now flydubai will shortly be 30% bigger than they ever were before, and growing. DXB has to build another inb/out peak/wave and sort out where to park all these aircraft. It is tight right now, let alone pre-covid levels and add more to that!
 
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Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

Sun Sep 19, 2021 9:15 am

Avgeek21 wrote:
The main issue facing EK with these smaller frames is slots in DXB. Pre-Covid everything was simply build around increasing the seat count per slot. That restriction is still there. There will be no DWC for at least the next decade IMHO. And now flydubai will shortly be 30% bigger than they ever were before, and growing. DXB has to build another inb/out peak/wave and sort out where to park all these aircraft. It is tight right now, let alone pre-covid levels and add more to that!


A decade? Certainly raises some questions then doesn’t it. Interesting times for EK then.

I wonder what they will use for their smaller ULH route replacement? A380s fly the like of AKL/LAX/SFO, there are 10 77Ls with no F now that do a handful of ULH routes while 77Ws have seats blocked on other 16hr flights. The 779 has a similar range to the 77W. So what configurations they use will be interesting. A 4 class A359 for ULH? How many would that seat, 280? 789 in a J, W, Y layout for medium haul? But then the 781 maybe better as it is very efficient up to 10hrs so could cover Europe and Asia while carrying more than the 789 but similar to say a 3 class 359.
 
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Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

Sun Sep 19, 2021 11:10 am

Boston would possibly be an example where double-daily on smaller planes would work better with the JetBlue connections at the Logan end.
 
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Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

Sun Sep 19, 2021 3:00 pm

As it looks currently the 77W's would mostly be replaced by the 77X of which all are intended to receive F, likely 6 per aircraft. For the A359's and Dreamliners no F is intended to be installed on any of the frames as per current status.
 
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Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

Sun Sep 19, 2021 3:28 pm

chrisnh wrote:
Boston would possibly be an example where double-daily on smaller planes would work better with the JetBlue connections at the Logan end.

Similarly, pre-covid, I heard that EK was very annoyed at SFO because SFO wouldn't give them another departure slot to add on a daily 77W flight in addition to the daily A380 – they were apparently so angry that they ended up threatening SFO that they would give the second frequency to SJC. Shame none of that ever happened, but this is also an example of EK wishing to add on a smaller plane (77W as opposed to A380) to increase connectivity over their Dubai banks.
 
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Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

Sun Sep 19, 2021 8:20 pm

ZK-NBT wrote:
Avgeek21 wrote:
The main issue facing EK with these smaller frames is slots in DXB. Pre-Covid everything was simply build around increasing the seat count per slot. That restriction is still there. There will be no DWC for at least the next decade IMHO. And now flydubai will shortly be 30% bigger than they ever were before, and growing. DXB has to build another inb/out peak/wave and sort out where to park all these aircraft. It is tight right now, let alone pre-covid levels and add more to that!


A decade? Certainly raises some questions then doesn’t it. Interesting times for EK then.

I wonder what they will use for their smaller ULH route replacement? A380s fly the like of AKL/LAX/SFO, there are 10 77Ls with no F now that do a handful of ULH routes while 77Ws have seats blocked on other 16hr flights. The 779 has a similar range to the 77W. So what configurations they use will be interesting. A 4 class A359 for ULH? How many would that seat, 280? 789 in a J, W, Y layout for medium haul? But then the 781 maybe better as it is very efficient up to 10hrs so could cover Europe and Asia while carrying more than the 789 but similar to say a 3 class 359.


I'd say that slots at DXB are certainly an impediment to growth, but as are bilateral restrictions with many countries.

Almost every country where obvious expansion could be had has limited EK's growth within the country by way of seat restriction, or weekly flights. India - maxed out, China - maxed out, South Africa - maxed out, Canada - maxed out, Germany - limited to existing city allotment, Australia - close to maxed out... the list goes on. For this reason, I don't think we're going to see a significant adjustment in terms for down-gauging 380s/777s to 359s or 789s in many markets. The existing hub structure is well positioned around maximum feed into the three existing banks of flights (approx. midnight - 3am; 7am - 10am; and 1pm - 3pm), with the first two banks almost completely maxed out of slots.

For this reason, I do think adding additional destinations will be very challenging. I have noticed that FZ has occupied an increasing number of slots in the peak time departures I noted. Perhaps EK can absorb these in time to add some smaller cities with the 789/359.

I do believe there is a limited potential of down-gauging that could occur where restrictions are not as strict; SEA, DFW, ORD, and MCO come to mind as obvious destinations in the US where I could easily see 2 x daily 359/789 in lieu of the existing 1 daily 77W/77L service. Some smaller/lower yielding European destinations like WAW, ARN, CPH, and VCE are other such candidates too. Of the European services I noted, these services occupy existing 7am - 10am slots, but could probably have second dailies in the 1pm - 3pm block which is slightly less slot constrained at DXB than the other two.

What I could also see as a significant possibility is the build up of another significant departure block between 9pm and 11pm. Currently, this block is fed mostly by European arrivals (that departed DXB in the midnight - 3am block) and the N. American arrivals (that departed DXB in the 7am - 10am block). Current departures between 9pm and 11pm are mostly sub-continent bound with a few east-Asian departures (EK 374/396/432 BKK/HKT/SIN) and a few Australian departures (EK 416/432 SYD/BNE). I could certainly see additions to AKL, MEL, CPT, MRU, and CMB as easy additions to this bank with the 789/359.
 
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Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

Sun Sep 19, 2021 10:00 pm

Airlinerdude wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:
Avgeek21 wrote:
The main issue facing EK with these smaller frames is slots in DXB. Pre-Covid everything was simply build around increasing the seat count per slot. That restriction is still there. There will be no DWC for at least the next decade IMHO. And now flydubai will shortly be 30% bigger than they ever were before, and growing. DXB has to build another inb/out peak/wave and sort out where to park all these aircraft. It is tight right now, let alone pre-covid levels and add more to that!


A decade? Certainly raises some questions then doesn’t it. Interesting times for EK then.

I wonder what they will use for their smaller ULH route replacement? A380s fly the like of AKL/LAX/SFO, there are 10 77Ls with no F now that do a handful of ULH routes while 77Ws have seats blocked on other 16hr flights. The 779 has a similar range to the 77W. So what configurations they use will be interesting. A 4 class A359 for ULH? How many would that seat, 280? 789 in a J, W, Y layout for medium haul? But then the 781 maybe better as it is very efficient up to 10hrs so could cover Europe and Asia while carrying more than the 789 but similar to say a 3 class 359.


I'd say that slots at DXB are certainly an impediment to growth, but as are bilateral restrictions with many countries.

Almost every country where obvious expansion could be had has limited EK's growth within the country by way of seat restriction, or weekly flights. India - maxed out, China - maxed out, South Africa - maxed out, Canada - maxed out, Germany - limited to existing city allotment, Australia - close to maxed out... the list goes on. For this reason, I don't think we're going to see a significant adjustment in terms for down-gauging 380s/777s to 359s or 789s in many markets. The existing hub structure is well positioned around maximum feed into the three existing banks of flights (approx. midnight - 3am; 7am - 10am; and 1pm - 3pm), with the first two banks almost completely maxed out of slots.

For this reason, I do think adding additional destinations will be very challenging. I have noticed that FZ has occupied an increasing number of slots in the peak time departures I noted. Perhaps EK can absorb these in time to add some smaller cities with the 789/359.

I do believe there is a limited potential of down-gauging that could occur where restrictions are not as strict; SEA, DFW, ORD, and MCO come to mind as obvious destinations in the US where I could easily see 2 x daily 359/789 in lieu of the existing 1 daily 77W/77L service. Some smaller/lower yielding European destinations like WAW, ARN, CPH, and VCE are other such candidates too. Of the European services I noted, these services occupy existing 7am - 10am slots, but could probably have second dailies in the 1pm - 3pm block which is slightly less slot constrained at DXB than the other two.

What I could also see as a significant possibility is the build up of another significant departure block between 9pm and 11pm. Currently, this block is fed mostly by European arrivals (that departed DXB in the midnight - 3am block) and the N. American arrivals (that departed DXB in the 7am - 10am block). Current departures between 9pm and 11pm are mostly sub-continent bound with a few east-Asian departures (EK 374/396/432 BKK/HKT/SIN) and a few Australian departures (EK 416/432 SYD/BNE). I could certainly see additions to AKL, MEL, CPT, MRU, and CMB as easy additions to this bank with the 789/359.


It is a good point you make on bilaterals. Some of these are obviously on the number of flights so the 77W/A380 make sense, some are probably also number of seats per week?

They will probably where it’s possible need to add an additional bank as you say 2100-2300. Some of the longer routes it’s often hard to imagine so many flights on a 14hr plus route, only a model like EK. How many long haul routes are 4 daily outside of LHR which isn’t long haul? JFK was with 1 via MXP, SYD at one point was, I think it dropped back to 3x pre covid.

How far will an EK configured 359 be able to fly with say 300 seats in a J, W, Y configuration? AKL-DXB is 17.5hrs, I don’t know that it would be viable, the make the A380 work with blocked seats, some of the US routes are around 16.5hrs which the 77W does with more seats sold than the 77L can carry. The 779 will be interesting but I think has similar range to the 77W.
 
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Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

Mon Sep 20, 2021 6:17 am

Airlinerdude wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:
Avgeek21 wrote:
For this reason, I do think adding additional destinations will be very challenging. I have noticed that FZ has occupied an increasing number of slots in the peak time departures I noted. Perhaps EK can absorb these in time to add some smaller cities with the 789/359.


It is very clear that the UAE/Dubai Leadership is committed to both carriers. flydubai is almost as big as it was pre-Covid with a major influx of MAX this year alone (13) and a huge number next year. flydubai has to fly peak time slots too. flydubai has added around 15 new destination over the past 12 months alone. If you add that too their pre-covid number you'll surpass 100 destinations in Q1 2022. And growing...

Both carriers have to grow but there are only so many slots and limits on bilateral agreements. That last ones doesn't really affect flydubai that much as they operate a different route structure. DXB is the bottle neck wrt to parking and slots.
 
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Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

Mon Sep 20, 2021 6:59 am

Just send the FZ and all the other low cost carriers down to DWC, freeing up slots a plenty. After all, that was DWC’s original use at the beginning.
 
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Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

Mon Sep 20, 2021 8:08 am

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Just send the FZ and all the other low cost carriers down to DWC, freeing up slots a plenty. After all, that was DWC’s original use at the beginning.


flydubai and EK can not be split. Their connecting feed is way too important. Everything is build around that. A huge percentage of flydubai’s operation is T3 EK traffic.

DWC is a decade away, if that. The infrastructure isn’t ready and why would an airline go there voluntarily?
 
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Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

Mon Sep 20, 2021 8:27 am

There are pax ops at DWC, have been for a long time. And if FZ are told to go to DWC , they’ll go. Thats how things work in the UAE.
 
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Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

Mon Sep 20, 2021 1:51 pm

Avgeek21 wrote:
TUGMASTER wrote:
Just send the FZ and all the other low cost carriers down to DWC, freeing up slots a plenty. After all, that was DWC’s original use at the beginning.


flydubai and EK can not be split. Their connecting feed is way too important. Everything is build around that. A huge percentage of flydubai’s operation is T3 EK traffic.

DWC is a decade away, if that. The infrastructure isn’t ready and why would an airline go there voluntarily?

I couldn't find recent data but in 2018 FlyDubai transferred to EK and vice versa 3.29 million passengers out of 11 million before moving into T3 to improve connections. That is 30% of passengers carried transferred to/from EK. (I couldn't find 2019 data.)
https://www.emirates.com/media-centre/e ... ew-heights

https://centreforaviation.com/analysis/ ... que-470124

I do not think FlyDubai is viable without EK connections. If you will, they are EK's "regional partner," just with very overlapping regions.

The issue, in my opinion, is the cost to build out DXB exceeds Dubai's ability to currently fund. The cost is $36 billion to build out: DWC currently has a capacity of 26.5 million, but only 0.9 million passengers (in 2019).

https://www.aviationbusinessme.com/airl ... ext-decade

So to truly move FlyDubai, EK must move over. While I expect as many popular P2P routes at DWC to be launched, if that 30% transfer to EK holds true, we have FlyDubai stuck at DXB (mostly). This will require one heck of an economic rebound to invest any more in DWC. Seriously, at 3.4% of pax capacity... With new competition at IST and ET also taking Africa traffic. Not to mention Indian airport expansion should provide competition. This is a challenge that will take a decade to figure out the solution.

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Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

Mon Sep 20, 2021 10:26 pm

sfojvjets wrote:
chrisnh wrote:
Boston would possibly be an example where double-daily on smaller planes would work better with the JetBlue connections at the Logan end.

Similarly, pre-covid, I heard that EK was very annoyed at SFO because SFO wouldn't give them another departure slot to add on a daily 77W flight in addition to the daily A380 – they were apparently so angry that they ended up threatening SFO that they would give the second frequency to SJC. Shame none of that ever happened, but this is also an example of EK wishing to add on a smaller plane (77W as opposed to A380) to increase connectivity over their Dubai banks.


I don’t think SFO or any of the US airports are slot controlled. Perhaps they couldn’t get a gate at the time they wanted though?
 
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Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

Mon Sep 20, 2021 11:12 pm

ZK-NBT wrote:
sfojvjets wrote:
chrisnh wrote:
Boston would possibly be an example where double-daily on smaller planes would work better with the JetBlue connections at the Logan end.

Similarly, pre-covid, I heard that EK was very annoyed at SFO because SFO wouldn't give them another departure slot to add on a daily 77W flight in addition to the daily A380 – they were apparently so angry that they ended up threatening SFO that they would give the second frequency to SJC. Shame none of that ever happened, but this is also an example of EK wishing to add on a smaller plane (77W as opposed to A380) to increase connectivity over their Dubai banks.


I don’t think SFO or any of the US airports are slot controlled. Perhaps they couldn’t get a gate at the time they wanted though?

Yep sorry - I misspoke. They wanted a gate for a later departure time, but those gates were already all occupied by Asian carriers at the A Gates. I think that's part of the reason that SFO decided to make some gates widebody-capable in the new domestic Harvey Milk Terminal 1 and make an airside connector from the A Gates to the terminal so that they could accomodate more flights during the evening intl rush hour.

I see that EK has now scheduled the A380 to resume SFO service in December. That's a great step in the right direction and would mean that they're already back to pre-Covid seats in the market. I wonder how they will compete with all the new competition though, such as TK who now have 10x weekly flights (Dec & Jan + summer), plus QR who of course just started serving SFO less than a year ago. The ME3 has evolved greatly and it seems to be Turkish who's leading the charge with frequency over gauge.
 
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Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

Tue Sep 21, 2021 5:02 am

sfojvjets wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:
sfojvjets wrote:
Similarly, pre-covid, I heard that EK was very annoyed at SFO because SFO wouldn't give them another departure slot to add on a daily 77W flight in addition to the daily A380 – they were apparently so angry that they ended up threatening SFO that they would give the second frequency to SJC. Shame none of that ever happened, but this is also an example of EK wishing to add on a smaller plane (77W as opposed to A380) to increase connectivity over their Dubai banks.


I don’t think SFO or any of the US airports are slot controlled. Perhaps they couldn’t get a gate at the time they wanted though?

Yep sorry - I misspoke. They wanted a gate for a later departure time, but those gates were already all occupied by Asian carriers at the A Gates. I think that's part of the reason that SFO decided to make some gates widebody-capable in the new domestic Harvey Milk Terminal 1 and make an airside connector from the A Gates to the terminal so that they could accomodate more flights during the evening intl rush hour.

I see that EK has now scheduled the A380 to resume SFO service in December. That's a great step in the right direction and would mean that they're already back to pre-Covid seats in the market. I wonder how they will compete with all the new competition though, such as TK who now have 10x weekly flights (Dec & Jan + summer), plus QR who of course just started serving SFO less than a year ago. The ME3 has evolved greatly and it seems to be Turkish who's leading the charge with frequency over gauge.

will SFO allow them to lease/build their own gate, i believe they have a concept in LHR, their gate and the lounge are built by EK and direct access to the airplane from the lounge for premium and lower level for Y passengers
 
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Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

Tue Sep 21, 2021 6:39 am

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sfojvjets wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:

I don’t think SFO or any of the US airports are slot controlled. Perhaps they couldn’t get a gate at the time they wanted though?

Yep sorry - I misspoke. They wanted a gate for a later departure time, but those gates were already all occupied by Asian carriers at the A Gates. I think that's part of the reason that SFO decided to make some gates widebody-capable in the new domestic Harvey Milk Terminal 1 and make an airside connector from the A Gates to the terminal so that they could accomodate more flights during the evening intl rush hour.

I see that EK has now scheduled the A380 to resume SFO service in December. That's a great step in the right direction and would mean that they're already back to pre-Covid seats in the market. I wonder how they will compete with all the new competition though, such as TK who now have 10x weekly flights (Dec & Jan + summer), plus QR who of course just started serving SFO less than a year ago. The ME3 has evolved greatly and it seems to be Turkish who's leading the charge with frequency over gauge.

will SFO allow them to lease/build their own gate, i believe they have a concept in LHR, their gate and the lounge are built by EK and direct access to the airplane from the lounge for premium and lower level for Y passengers


That concept at LHR works really well for EK at gates 5 & 7. But also because of the way EK’s 380’s are laid out
 
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Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

Tue Sep 21, 2021 11:37 am

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will SFO allow them to lease/build their own gate, i believe they have a concept in LHR, their gate and the lounge are built by EK and direct access to the airplane from the lounge for premium and lower level for Y passengers

Doubtful, unless they get one of those international gates in T1. The entire international terminal is common use.
 
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Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

Mon Sep 27, 2021 9:25 am

I'm happy they did a special livery but this is a bit of a letdown... my kid could have draw this and I am used to better work from EK.
 
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Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:24 am

And speaking of special liveries, I caught the new 'Year of 50' scheme at GLA yesterday, looking great in formidable weather. I do enjoy EK's attempts to come up with different looks and themes for it's aircraft.

ImagePSX_20210926_224011 by Jann Eejit, on Flickr
 
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Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

Mon Sep 27, 2021 1:56 pm

My expat sister, who lives with her family in a subdivision that literally abts AUH, just advised that the "border" between the Dubai and Abu Dhabi emirates just opened up. This means no more PCR test is needed to cross. This is potentially great news for my family's plans to fly to DXB in November. "Potentially" because I don't see indications whether this applies to tourists. Do any of you know?
 
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Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

Mon Sep 27, 2021 7:00 pm

 
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Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

Mon Sep 27, 2021 8:44 pm

OK… so
Who’s stole the pic of the A380 covered in crayons..?
 
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Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

Tue Sep 28, 2021 6:53 am

Western727 wrote:
My expat sister, who lives with her family in a subdivision that literally abts AUH, just advised that the "border" between the Dubai and Abu Dhabi emirates just opened up. This means no more PCR test is needed to cross. This is potentially great news for my family's plans to fly to DXB in November. "Potentially" because I don't see indications whether this applies to tourists. Do any of you know?

The border checkpoint has been dismantled. so this is effective to any one crossing the border. Howeever in Abu Dhabi a lot of places will require a "Green" status on the AlHosn app to enter. Unvaccinated people can get a green status by having a covid negative test result valid for 48 hours.
 
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Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

Tue Sep 28, 2021 8:37 am

Right now, they focus only on the Expo 2020. This is their big priority, after we will see what is the real future of Emirates
 
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Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:31 am

50 A380s will be in operation by year end - Emirates.

https://www.flightglobal.com/fleets/emi ... 43.article
 
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Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

Tue Sep 28, 2021 12:58 pm

https://www.emirates.com/media-centre/e ... TkK7OIwssM

- The first flight of A6-EEU will be to LAX on September 29.

- An additional two A380s will feature the Expo livery.

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Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

Tue Sep 28, 2021 2:04 pm

xwb777 wrote:
50 A380s will be in operation by year end - Emirates.

https://www.flightglobal.com/fleets/emi ... 43.article

TFA says:

“The airline is gradually and responsibly deploying its popular aircraft in sync with passenger demand as the travel industry continues on its path to recovery,” Emirates states.

Time will tell...
 
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Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

Tue Sep 28, 2021 6:23 pm

EK recommencing daily LGW flight from 10 Dec with 77W.
 
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Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

Wed Sep 29, 2021 12:11 am

Revelation wrote:
TFA says:

“The airline is gradually and responsibly deploying its popular aircraft in sync with passenger demand as the travel industry continues on its path to recovery,” Emirates states.

Time will tell...


A reminder that in post #343 of the following thread, you were very confident that Emirates would only see 40 A380s returning to service...

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1439035&start=300

We're now at 39/119 active A380s, with 3 to be delivered over the next two months, and an additional 25+ that have been prepared to return to service at a moment's notice. To say the least, it's been entertaining to watch very staunch opinions be proved wrong. But on the whole it's proved that most people have been out to lunch with their opinions and that the reality at EK is different than what most people here can picture.

(For the record, in post #386 I predicted an eventual return of 80-90 A380s. Given that EK has courses lined up for 200 pilots for the 380 between now and the end of 2021 and has plans for hiring an additional 700 pilots onto the 380 in 2022, it appears we're tracking pretty close to my prediction.)

In any case, forward bookings in October and November are looking very promising. I'm looking at recent loads for A380 flights and all routes have very high J and F loads. I'd confidently say that the October through December schedule is very reasonable in terms of matching capacity to demand. The rest of Thailand is said to be opening up November 1 to vaccinated tourists which should be a very significant boost to EK. At one point, BKK alone occupied 6 daily 380s. So if anything, there is potential for more growth to the schedule.
 
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Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

Wed Sep 29, 2021 9:49 am

Airlinerdude wrote:
Revelation wrote:
To say the least, it's been entertaining to watch very staunch opinions be proved wrong. But on the whole it's proved that most people have been out to lunch with their opinions and that the reality at EK is different than what most people here can picture.


I have been around on this forum long enough to know what u mean with lunches n opinions :)
Your observations have been more accurate so far and the future is only looking brighter.
The past decade a lot has been thrown at EK and how it will fail or implode. has too many 380s, is govt subsidised, gets free fuel, presents fudged financials, exploits cheap labor, doesnt allow unions..... the list is as long as its entertaining...
 
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Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

Thu Sep 30, 2021 8:56 am

xwb777 wrote:
https://www.emirates.com/media-centre/emirates-takes-expo-2020-dubais-message-to-the-skies-with-its-first-ever-full-aircraft-livery/?fbclid=IwAR2kq5CE6buYsfcJ43KmFUS0bqkQg0QeAo5jPRfuqOrsptgZoTkK7OIwssM

- The first flight of A6-EEU will be to LAX on September 29.

- An additional two A380s will feature the Expo livery.

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They are real master in marketing in UAE and Dubai on top of the other cities. I believe this idea will improve even more the success of this event
 
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Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

Thu Sep 30, 2021 12:54 pm

Airlinerdude wrote:
Revelation wrote:
TFA says:

“The airline is gradually and responsibly deploying its popular aircraft in sync with passenger demand as the travel industry continues on its path to recovery,” Emirates states.

Time will tell...


A reminder that in post #343 of the following thread, you were very confident that Emirates would only see 40 A380s returning to service...

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1439035&start=300

A reminder of what I actually wrote:

I wouldn't be surprised if the EK A380 fleet ended up being around 40 aircraft sooner than many people here think.


If you want to reduce that to "Emirates would only see 40 A380s returning to service", that's on you.
 
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Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

Fri Oct 01, 2021 9:11 pm

Revelation wrote:
A reminder of what I actually wrote:

I wouldn't be surprised if the EK A380 fleet ended up being around 40 aircraft sooner than many people here think.


If you want to reduce that to "Emirates would only see 40 A380s returning to service", that's on you.


Actually, referencing #343 you wrote:

I think we'll see the fleet reduced to 40 A380s at EK sooner than many on a.net suggest.


Your post is very succinct, I am not sure it could have been written any more clearer. Your opinion was that EK's A380 fleet would be reduced to 40 aircraft. We are now at 39 flying aircraft with another one entering service almost every week now.
 
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Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

Fri Oct 01, 2021 9:50 pm

xwb777 wrote:
50 A380s will be in operation by year end - Emirates.

https://www.flightglobal.com/fleets/emi ... 43.article

I find that facinating. According to Wikipedia, 119 in fleet:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emirates_fleet

So effectively, an estimate of just over 42% of the fleet. I expect this will be some return to a more normal economy (I am not expecting a normal economy, but a more normal economy).

We can debate how many A380s, but that will depend on business traffic (business class and first class yield). I expect more, but not all. We shall see.

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Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

Sat Oct 02, 2021 10:46 am

Maybe a bit premature, but any info on when the B787s and A350s will arrive in 2023??
 
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Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

Sat Oct 02, 2021 10:47 am

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Maybe a bit premature, but any info on when the B787s and A350s will arrive in 2023??

May 2023.


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Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

Tue Oct 05, 2021 9:20 pm

Emirates is eyeing a third Brazilian city: Recife.

https://simpleflying.com/emirates-third ... stination/
 
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Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

Tue Oct 05, 2021 9:36 pm

Interesting thread. Does anyone know the future for their 2 class 380s - seem to be slow in bringing them back so far.
 
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Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

Tue Oct 05, 2021 10:59 pm

qantas330 wrote:
Interesting thread. Does anyone know the future for their 2 class 380s - seem to be slow in bringing them back so far.


So far just the two: A6-EUN and A6-EVB, have been brought back to service operating MAN/AMM. So just 2/15 are operating. Only one other (A6-EUQ) has been prepared for return to service, while the others are in storage at DWC.

Over the next few months, they'll be operating FRA, DUS, and MAN, with the occasional service scheduled to AMM and JED. In the past, they were regularly scheduled on MAN, BHX, LGW, CPH, DUS, MRU, BKK, TPE, as well as the occasional other service throughout the network.

Quite frankly, the reason they haven't returned is because there just aren't the Y loads to justify their return yet. I'd ballpark the aggregate load factors on routes currently being served by the 380 are about 75% in J/F and approx. 50% in Y. It will likely be a while before international leisure travel returns on mass and justifies their return to service.
 
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Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

Thu Oct 07, 2021 8:57 am

Due to high demand, a 3rd daily A380
service is scheduled at various dates during the the end of October into Manchester.
It’s great seeing the beast back at my local airport again :)
 
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Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

Thu Oct 07, 2021 9:43 pm

lightsaber wrote :
I find that facinating. According to Wikipedia, 119 in fleet:


MSN270 #120 for EK on the way home right now ( wiki is already updated )
https://www.flightradar24.com/UAE5GT/296ba103
 
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Re: EK 787/A350

Thu Oct 07, 2021 9:48 pm

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I think these aircraft can't come quickly enough for EK. The pandemic must have really brought home to EK the fact that having a 350/440 seater aircraft (depending on the 77W's config) as your smallest aircraft is not ideal. It certainly does not allow the level of frequency they would like, whatever about adding new routes - which probably won't happen for a while, at least until one of the new types is in service.


That's why they should not have retired their A330-200's so early. Instead, they should have refurbished them and flown them on thinner routes that could not support a 777 until something smaller like the 787 arrived.

Does anyone think that EK will order narrow bodies (NEO/MAX/A220) in the near future? Or will they just continue to rely on FlyDubai for routes that cannot support a wide-body?
 
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Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

Fri Oct 08, 2021 6:35 am

All this discussion about whether 40, 50 or 90 A380’s will be resuming operations soon is less important at this stage. The fact is, if the 77W’s are fully committed at the moment, the A380’s are all they have left to use regardless of whether they’re the correct aircraft for the job. I’d love to know whether the active A380’s are earning their keep from current operations or are just the least worst option they have at present.

The A380’s future at Emirates will be decided in 2023 when the twin-jets start arriving. I’d be surprised if they need anything like 100+ A380’s then and can make money from them.
 
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Re: EK 787/A350

Fri Oct 08, 2021 9:03 am

acavpics wrote:
kaitak wrote:
I think these aircraft can't come quickly enough for EK. The pandemic must have really brought home to EK the fact that having a 350/440 seater aircraft (depending on the 77W's config) as your smallest aircraft is not ideal. It certainly does not allow the level of frequency they would like, whatever about adding new routes - which probably won't happen for a while, at least until one of the new types is in service.


That's why they should not have retired their A330-200's so early. Instead, they should have refurbished them and flown them on thinner routes that could not support a 777 until something smaller like the 787 arrived.

Does anyone think that EK will order narrow bodies (NEO/MAX/A220) in the near future? Or will they just continue to rely on FlyDubai for routes that cannot support a wide-body?


In addition, through the growing partnership with Fly Dubai using their fleet of smaller Boeing 737-800 and 737 Max aircraft, there are an “extraordinary number of tools in the tool box” says Sir Tim. He believes that by exploiting the portfolio of different aircraft capacities, the two hometown airlines could develop a network with 350-450 points between them, whilst maintaining separate brands. He questions the ability of other airlines to come close to this.


According to the above, Emirates is using Flydubai’s B737s to grow its operations.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnstrick ... 20c4ea2577

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