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Mon Sep 27, 2021 1:56 pm

My expat sister, who lives with her family in a subdivision that literally abts AUH, just advised that the "border" between the Dubai and Abu Dhabi emirates just opened up. This means no more PCR test is needed to cross. This is potentially great news for my family's plans to fly to DXB in November. "Potentially" because I don't see indications whether this applies to tourists. Do any of you know?
 
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Mon Sep 27, 2021 8:44 pm

OK… so
Who’s stole the pic of the A380 covered in crayons..?
 
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Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

Tue Sep 28, 2021 6:53 am

Western727 wrote:
My expat sister, who lives with her family in a subdivision that literally abts AUH, just advised that the "border" between the Dubai and Abu Dhabi emirates just opened up. This means no more PCR test is needed to cross. This is potentially great news for my family's plans to fly to DXB in November. "Potentially" because I don't see indications whether this applies to tourists. Do any of you know?

The border checkpoint has been dismantled. so this is effective to any one crossing the border. Howeever in Abu Dhabi a lot of places will require a "Green" status on the AlHosn app to enter. Unvaccinated people can get a green status by having a covid negative test result valid for 48 hours.
 
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Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

Tue Sep 28, 2021 8:37 am

Right now, they focus only on the Expo 2020. This is their big priority, after we will see what is the real future of Emirates
 
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Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:31 am

50 A380s will be in operation by year end - Emirates.

https://www.flightglobal.com/fleets/emi ... 43.article
 
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Tue Sep 28, 2021 12:58 pm

https://www.emirates.com/media-centre/e ... TkK7OIwssM

- The first flight of A6-EEU will be to LAX on September 29.

- An additional two A380s will feature the Expo livery.

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Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

Tue Sep 28, 2021 2:04 pm

xwb777 wrote:
50 A380s will be in operation by year end - Emirates.

https://www.flightglobal.com/fleets/emi ... 43.article

TFA says:

“The airline is gradually and responsibly deploying its popular aircraft in sync with passenger demand as the travel industry continues on its path to recovery,” Emirates states.

Time will tell...
 
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Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

Tue Sep 28, 2021 6:23 pm

EK recommencing daily LGW flight from 10 Dec with 77W.
 
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Wed Sep 29, 2021 12:11 am

Revelation wrote:
TFA says:

“The airline is gradually and responsibly deploying its popular aircraft in sync with passenger demand as the travel industry continues on its path to recovery,” Emirates states.

Time will tell...


A reminder that in post #343 of the following thread, you were very confident that Emirates would only see 40 A380s returning to service...

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1439035&start=300

We're now at 39/119 active A380s, with 3 to be delivered over the next two months, and an additional 25+ that have been prepared to return to service at a moment's notice. To say the least, it's been entertaining to watch very staunch opinions be proved wrong. But on the whole it's proved that most people have been out to lunch with their opinions and that the reality at EK is different than what most people here can picture.

(For the record, in post #386 I predicted an eventual return of 80-90 A380s. Given that EK has courses lined up for 200 pilots for the 380 between now and the end of 2021 and has plans for hiring an additional 700 pilots onto the 380 in 2022, it appears we're tracking pretty close to my prediction.)

In any case, forward bookings in October and November are looking very promising. I'm looking at recent loads for A380 flights and all routes have very high J and F loads. I'd confidently say that the October through December schedule is very reasonable in terms of matching capacity to demand. The rest of Thailand is said to be opening up November 1 to vaccinated tourists which should be a very significant boost to EK. At one point, BKK alone occupied 6 daily 380s. So if anything, there is potential for more growth to the schedule.
 
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Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

Wed Sep 29, 2021 9:49 am

Airlinerdude wrote:
Revelation wrote:
To say the least, it's been entertaining to watch very staunch opinions be proved wrong. But on the whole it's proved that most people have been out to lunch with their opinions and that the reality at EK is different than what most people here can picture.


I have been around on this forum long enough to know what u mean with lunches n opinions :)
Your observations have been more accurate so far and the future is only looking brighter.
The past decade a lot has been thrown at EK and how it will fail or implode. has too many 380s, is govt subsidised, gets free fuel, presents fudged financials, exploits cheap labor, doesnt allow unions..... the list is as long as its entertaining...
 
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Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

Thu Sep 30, 2021 8:56 am

xwb777 wrote:
https://www.emirates.com/media-centre/emirates-takes-expo-2020-dubais-message-to-the-skies-with-its-first-ever-full-aircraft-livery/?fbclid=IwAR2kq5CE6buYsfcJ43KmFUS0bqkQg0QeAo5jPRfuqOrsptgZoTkK7OIwssM

- The first flight of A6-EEU will be to LAX on September 29.

- An additional two A380s will feature the Expo livery.

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They are real master in marketing in UAE and Dubai on top of the other cities. I believe this idea will improve even more the success of this event
 
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Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

Thu Sep 30, 2021 12:54 pm

Airlinerdude wrote:
Revelation wrote:
TFA says:

“The airline is gradually and responsibly deploying its popular aircraft in sync with passenger demand as the travel industry continues on its path to recovery,” Emirates states.

Time will tell...


A reminder that in post #343 of the following thread, you were very confident that Emirates would only see 40 A380s returning to service...

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1439035&start=300

A reminder of what I actually wrote:

I wouldn't be surprised if the EK A380 fleet ended up being around 40 aircraft sooner than many people here think.


If you want to reduce that to "Emirates would only see 40 A380s returning to service", that's on you.
 
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Fri Oct 01, 2021 9:11 pm

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A reminder of what I actually wrote:

I wouldn't be surprised if the EK A380 fleet ended up being around 40 aircraft sooner than many people here think.


If you want to reduce that to "Emirates would only see 40 A380s returning to service", that's on you.


Actually, referencing #343 you wrote:

I think we'll see the fleet reduced to 40 A380s at EK sooner than many on a.net suggest.


Your post is very succinct, I am not sure it could have been written any more clearer. Your opinion was that EK's A380 fleet would be reduced to 40 aircraft. We are now at 39 flying aircraft with another one entering service almost every week now.
 
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Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

Fri Oct 01, 2021 9:50 pm

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50 A380s will be in operation by year end - Emirates.

https://www.flightglobal.com/fleets/emi ... 43.article

I find that facinating. According to Wikipedia, 119 in fleet:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emirates_fleet

So effectively, an estimate of just over 42% of the fleet. I expect this will be some return to a more normal economy (I am not expecting a normal economy, but a more normal economy).

We can debate how many A380s, but that will depend on business traffic (business class and first class yield). I expect more, but not all. We shall see.

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Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

Sat Oct 02, 2021 10:46 am

Maybe a bit premature, but any info on when the B787s and A350s will arrive in 2023??
 
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Sat Oct 02, 2021 10:47 am

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Maybe a bit premature, but any info on when the B787s and A350s will arrive in 2023??

May 2023.


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Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

Tue Oct 05, 2021 9:20 pm

Emirates is eyeing a third Brazilian city: Recife.

https://simpleflying.com/emirates-third ... stination/
 
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Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

Tue Oct 05, 2021 9:36 pm

Interesting thread. Does anyone know the future for their 2 class 380s - seem to be slow in bringing them back so far.
 
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Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

Tue Oct 05, 2021 10:59 pm

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Interesting thread. Does anyone know the future for their 2 class 380s - seem to be slow in bringing them back so far.


So far just the two: A6-EUN and A6-EVB, have been brought back to service operating MAN/AMM. So just 2/15 are operating. Only one other (A6-EUQ) has been prepared for return to service, while the others are in storage at DWC.

Over the next few months, they'll be operating FRA, DUS, and MAN, with the occasional service scheduled to AMM and JED. In the past, they were regularly scheduled on MAN, BHX, LGW, CPH, DUS, MRU, BKK, TPE, as well as the occasional other service throughout the network.

Quite frankly, the reason they haven't returned is because there just aren't the Y loads to justify their return yet. I'd ballpark the aggregate load factors on routes currently being served by the 380 are about 75% in J/F and approx. 50% in Y. It will likely be a while before international leisure travel returns on mass and justifies their return to service.
 
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Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

Thu Oct 07, 2021 8:57 am

Due to high demand, a 3rd daily A380
service is scheduled at various dates during the the end of October into Manchester.
It’s great seeing the beast back at my local airport again :)
 
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Thu Oct 07, 2021 9:43 pm

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I find that facinating. According to Wikipedia, 119 in fleet:


MSN270 #120 for EK on the way home right now ( wiki is already updated )
https://www.flightradar24.com/UAE5GT/296ba103
 
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Thu Oct 07, 2021 9:48 pm

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I think these aircraft can't come quickly enough for EK. The pandemic must have really brought home to EK the fact that having a 350/440 seater aircraft (depending on the 77W's config) as your smallest aircraft is not ideal. It certainly does not allow the level of frequency they would like, whatever about adding new routes - which probably won't happen for a while, at least until one of the new types is in service.


That's why they should not have retired their A330-200's so early. Instead, they should have refurbished them and flown them on thinner routes that could not support a 777 until something smaller like the 787 arrived.

Does anyone think that EK will order narrow bodies (NEO/MAX/A220) in the near future? Or will they just continue to rely on FlyDubai for routes that cannot support a wide-body?
 
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Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

Fri Oct 08, 2021 6:35 am

All this discussion about whether 40, 50 or 90 A380’s will be resuming operations soon is less important at this stage. The fact is, if the 77W’s are fully committed at the moment, the A380’s are all they have left to use regardless of whether they’re the correct aircraft for the job. I’d love to know whether the active A380’s are earning their keep from current operations or are just the least worst option they have at present.

The A380’s future at Emirates will be decided in 2023 when the twin-jets start arriving. I’d be surprised if they need anything like 100+ A380’s then and can make money from them.
 
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Fri Oct 08, 2021 9:03 am

acavpics wrote:
kaitak wrote:
I think these aircraft can't come quickly enough for EK. The pandemic must have really brought home to EK the fact that having a 350/440 seater aircraft (depending on the 77W's config) as your smallest aircraft is not ideal. It certainly does not allow the level of frequency they would like, whatever about adding new routes - which probably won't happen for a while, at least until one of the new types is in service.


That's why they should not have retired their A330-200's so early. Instead, they should have refurbished them and flown them on thinner routes that could not support a 777 until something smaller like the 787 arrived.

Does anyone think that EK will order narrow bodies (NEO/MAX/A220) in the near future? Or will they just continue to rely on FlyDubai for routes that cannot support a wide-body?


In addition, through the growing partnership with Fly Dubai using their fleet of smaller Boeing 737-800 and 737 Max aircraft, there are an “extraordinary number of tools in the tool box” says Sir Tim. He believes that by exploiting the portfolio of different aircraft capacities, the two hometown airlines could develop a network with 350-450 points between them, whilst maintaining separate brands. He questions the ability of other airlines to come close to this.


According to the above, Emirates is using Flydubai’s B737s to grow its operations.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnstrick ... 20c4ea2577
 
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Fri Oct 08, 2021 4:17 pm

Any insights on how is EK’s MIA route performing ?
 
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Tue Oct 12, 2021 1:00 pm

Attention to all Dubai residents:

Emirates A380, A6-EEU, will be making a flyover over Sheikh Zayed Road on Wednesday (13/10) & Thursday (14/10), from 5:00 to 8:00 am Local Time, to unveil a new special project.
 
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Tue Oct 12, 2021 7:13 pm

Regarding the future fleet of 777-9 aircraft. More verbal diarhea shared through the media from Sir Tim:

https://www.flightglobal.com/fleets/emi ... 14.article
 
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Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

Tue Oct 19, 2021 4:59 pm

Some points to mention from Sam Chui’s interview with Sir Tim Clark:

- 124 B777 will be refurbished to add the PE class

- They will soon be meeting with Boeing in regards to the B777X (I guess at Dubai Airshow)

- Emirates is interested in taking delivery of the A350 earlier than expected in May 2023.

- All future deliveries of A359s, B789s & B77Xs will feature PE.

- Emirates will be operating the A380 into the 2030s

Source: https://samchui.com/2021/10/19/sir-tim- ... W74DSTXclT
 
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Fri Oct 22, 2021 2:40 pm

From our 777X thread:

wesk wrote:
https://www.dubaiairshow.aero/aircraft-list the 777x is confirmed for the Dubai AIRSHOW

So it should be possible for STC to corner Boeing at the Dubai Airshow.

FlyDubai 739 will be on display too, along with many Airbus products.
 
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Fri Oct 22, 2021 3:07 pm

Revelation wrote:
From our 777X thread:

wesk wrote:
https://www.dubaiairshow.aero/aircraft-list the 777x is confirmed for the Dubai AIRSHOW

So it should be possible for STC to corner Boeing at the Dubai Airshow.

FlyDubai 739 will be on display too, along with many Airbus products.


Bit surprised by the 739; did you mean a MAX9?
 
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Fri Oct 22, 2021 3:12 pm

Western727 wrote:
Revelation wrote:
From our 777X thread:

wesk wrote:
https://www.dubaiairshow.aero/aircraft-list the 777x is confirmed for the Dubai AIRSHOW

So it should be possible for STC to corner Boeing at the Dubai Airshow.

FlyDubai 739 will be on display too, along with many Airbus products.


Bit surprised by the 739; did you mean a MAX9?

Yes, thanks for the clarification.
 
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Fri Oct 22, 2021 3:13 pm

idk if it's all too relevant for this thread, but I saw an EK A380 pass overhead today, painting a beautiful contrail across the blue autumn sky on its way across the globe, and had to double check, thinking to myself: "surely it's a cargo 747, just like all those other 4-holers you saw recently".
It felt so surreal. The world is returning to normalcy, and the whales are taking to the skies once again. One final act of defiance against the economic reality before they disappear forever.
 
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Fri Oct 22, 2021 4:28 pm

mxaxai wrote:
The world is returning to normalcy, and the whales are taking to the skies once again.

Careful about saying that in front of non-aviation people. You might be fitted for an extra long sleeve jacket and get to stay in the padded room. :duck:

The reality is some travel is returning. We are getting past the lowest ebb of traffic and now in the flow, but not at the old level. (as in ebb and flow of tides).

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Mon Oct 25, 2021 2:25 am

And here is yet one more special livery this time for Cricket World Cup

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https://www.traveldailymedia.com/assets ... livery.jpg
 
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Mon Oct 25, 2021 8:26 am

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And here is yet one more special livery this time for Cricket World Cup

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https://www.traveldailymedia.com/assets ... livery.jpg

The WorldCup is happening in UAE with key matches including 1 semifinal and the finals scheduled for Dubai.
 
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Tue Oct 26, 2021 11:17 am

Jamaica Tourism Minister, Mr Edmund Bartlett, has metwith Emirates Senior VP Commercial Operations Americas, Mr Salim Obaidalla, at Expo Dubai and discussed the possibility of launching flights to Jamaica early next year.
 
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Jamaica Tourism Minister, Mr Edmund Bartlett, has metwith Emirates Senior VP Commercial Operations Americas, Mr Salim Obaidalla, at Expo Dubai and discussed the possibility of launching flights to Jamaica early next year.


LOL brings back memories of that laughable DXB-PTY route announcement few years ago and then subsequent cancelation prior to launch thankfully !
 
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behramjee wrote:
xwb777 wrote:
Jamaica Tourism Minister, Mr Edmund Bartlett, has metwith Emirates Senior VP Commercial Operations Americas, Mr Salim Obaidalla, at Expo Dubai and discussed the possibility of launching flights to Jamaica early next year.


LOL brings back memories of that laughable DXB-PTY route announcement few years ago and then subsequent cancelation prior to launch thankfully !


I think PTY was a very different story to Jamaica, they actually had a proper business plan for that route and didn't move forward at the end because they could not get (sufficient) codeshare with Copa. They even published a schedule I believe.
The O&D demand on that route obviously didn't justify a daily flight but the connecting possibilities, particularly to Mexico and northern countries of South America, were sufficient to feed a flight to Dubai and beyond to China, Korea and India. Majority of these passengers could have used the service without a huge detour or without need to go through passport controls at US airports.
Now of course this was assuming no direct access to Mexico at the time, which they can now reach with a much more efficient B77W than the 200LR version destined to PTY
 
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Tue Oct 26, 2021 2:38 pm

A330Inter wrote:
behramjee wrote:
xwb777 wrote:
Jamaica Tourism Minister, Mr Edmund Bartlett, has metwith Emirates Senior VP Commercial Operations Americas, Mr Salim Obaidalla, at Expo Dubai and discussed the possibility of launching flights to Jamaica early next year.


LOL brings back memories of that laughable DXB-PTY route announcement few years ago and then subsequent cancelation prior to launch thankfully !


I think PTY was a very different story to Jamaica, they actually had a proper business plan for that route and didn't move forward at the end because they could not get (sufficient) codeshare with Copa. They even published a schedule I believe.
The O&D demand on that route obviously didn't justify a daily flight but the connecting possibilities, particularly to Mexico and northern countries of South America, were sufficient to feed a flight to Dubai and beyond to China, Korea and India. Majority of these passengers could have used the service without a huge detour or without need to go through passport controls at US airports.
Now of course this was assuming no direct access to Mexico at the time, which they can now reach with a much more efficient B77W than the 200LR version destined to PTY


Curious about the "much more efficient" assertion. It seems like the 77L would indeed be more efficient than a 77W given the same engines for less people (for starters), but the "much more" got me curious. Is the difference really that big in the ASK/ASM context?
 
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Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

Tue Oct 26, 2021 7:53 pm

Western727 wrote:
A330Inter wrote:
behramjee wrote:

LOL brings back memories of that laughable DXB-PTY route announcement few years ago and then subsequent cancelation prior to launch thankfully !


I think PTY was a very different story to Jamaica, they actually had a proper business plan for that route and didn't move forward at the end because they could not get (sufficient) codeshare with Copa. They even published a schedule I believe.
The O&D demand on that route obviously didn't justify a daily flight but the connecting possibilities, particularly to Mexico and northern countries of South America, were sufficient to feed a flight to Dubai and beyond to China, Korea and India. Majority of these passengers could have used the service without a huge detour or without need to go through passport controls at US airports.
Now of course this was assuming no direct access to Mexico at the time, which they can now reach with a much more efficient B77W than the 200LR version destined to PTY


Curious about the "much more efficient" assertion. It seems like the 77L would indeed be more efficient than a 77W given the same engines for less people (for starters), but the "much more" got me curious. Is the difference really that big in the ASK/ASM context?


I would have to check the difference in operating costs and revert back to you, but I think it's in the order of 5%
77W has 50 more seats than 77L in EK's fleet, that's 15% more revenue potentially, so yeah that's the efficiency gain, to be quite simplistic
 
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Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

Wed Oct 27, 2021 4:57 pm

At a meeting with São Paulo Governor, João Doria, Emirates Group Chairman, Sheikh Ahmed Bin Saeed, has stated that the airline will soon resume flights to Rio De Janeiro and will expans flights to Santiago, Chile.
 
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Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

Thu Oct 28, 2021 8:09 am

According to Andreas Spaeth, Emirates last and final A380 will be delivered on December 10.

The most interesting one is that two cutup A380 parts will be sold online next year.

Source: twitter.com/@speathflies
 
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Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

Thu Oct 28, 2021 8:12 am

Emirates B779 will have 350 seats in a four class configuration.

Twitter/@AndreasSpaeth
 
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Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

Fri Oct 29, 2021 5:43 pm

The queen returns to Europe.... :bouncy: As per next sunday, flight EK147 DXB - AMS - DXB to be operated with the A388.
Rumor has it A6-EEU is planned, not yet confirmed

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/ek147

https://www.flightstats.com/v2/flight-d ... 1074677916
 
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Fri Oct 29, 2021 7:06 pm

FlyingHonu001 wrote:
The queen returns to Europe.... :bouncy: As per next sunday, flight EK147 DXB - AMS - DXB to be operated with the A388.
Rumor has it A6-EEU is planned, not yet confirmed

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/ek147

https://www.flightstats.com/v2/flight-d ... 1074677916


Dutch media is reporting her visit is planned for Nov 2nd. For now…;-)

Dutch forums are saying Oct 31st is -EUM.
https://www.scramble.nl/community/messa ... /14/160130
 
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Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

Sat Oct 30, 2021 6:19 pm

What about Emirates’ Porto route? Is there anything planned for a possible return?
 
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Sat Oct 30, 2021 7:21 pm

The only major city in Western Europe missing EK is HEL. They outsource it to FlyDubai but there is passenger and cargo demand for a 77W.
 
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Sun Oct 31, 2021 5:17 am

I see EK now has 2 special A380 EXPO liveries? It rolled out of the paint hangar late yesterday IIRC, I saw it parked there in the evening. What is the reg?
 
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Sun Oct 31, 2021 10:25 am

x1234 wrote:
The only major city in Western Europe missing EK is HEL. They outsource it to FlyDubai but there is passenger and cargo demand for a 77W.

Yes, feels a bit weird that EK doesn't fly to HEL yet and letting QR grabbed all the traffic. Maybe once the 787 arrives?

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