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Re: Breeze - News and Discussion Thread - 2021

Sat Feb 06, 2021 11:35 pm

I missed this on the passenger experience:
"A spokesman for the ultra-low-cost carrier tells Runway Girl Network that Breeze’s E190s will feature 108 seats, whereas the E195s will carry 118 seats.

Extra-legroom seats will be on offer at the front of the twinjet comprising “about 40% of the aircraft”, he says."


https://runwaygirlnetwork.com/2021/02/0 ... x-details/

That passenger count is interesting. The same number of FA in an E190, E195 or A220. I didn't expect that. I also didn't expect two more rows vs. a JetBlue E190. :crowded:
The back 60% of the plane will be a "less premium" experience.

This is definitely tiering and only giving away what people will pay for.

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Will Breeze get any A220-100's? If their business model is to serve secondary airports, having a slightly smaller seat count could ensure higher load factors on new smaller markets.
 
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airlineworker wrote:
Will Breeze get any A220-100's? If their business model is to serve secondary airports, having a slightly smaller seat count could ensure higher load factors on new smaller markets.


Are the variable costs between the -100 and -300 much different? DL going with a mixed fleet makes me think it's notable, but then WN talks about how close the 737-700 and -800s are in trip costs.
 
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luv2cattlecall wrote:
airlineworker wrote:
Will Breeze get any A220-100's? If their business model is to serve secondary airports, having a slightly smaller seat count could ensure higher load factors on new smaller markets.


Are the variable costs between the -100 and -300 much different? DL going with a mixed fleet makes me think it's notable, but then WN talks about how close the 737-700 and -800s are in trip costs.


I think they’re pretty close as with the 737s you mentioned. I think what helps differ the A221 is it’s shorter field performance. If Breeze is serious about serving small airports they may show interest in it down the line.
 
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Sun Feb 07, 2021 7:17 pm

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Wow!! That is a beautiful paint job for sure! I bet the 220 will look stunning in that shceme too.
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Sun Feb 07, 2021 9:45 pm

When will these guys get their AOC? Any updates?
 
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When will these guys get their AOC? Any updates?


I don't think anyone in the general public knows anything on the status of their AOC unless Breeze publicly states an expected timeline.

Last we heard, Breeze canceled plans to acquire Compass' AOC. They're now pursuing their own AOC and I'm unsure how long that takes.
 
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When it comes to dealing with the Feds. Its ready when they say its ready..
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Mon Feb 08, 2021 1:36 pm

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When it comes to dealing with the Feds. Its ready when they say its ready..

Or they say more information is required.
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Sat Feb 13, 2021 11:17 pm

I'm no lawyer, its looks like Breeze is afraid of this information getting out to the other airlines.
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Sat Feb 13, 2021 11:22 pm

It’s a pretty standard request. Just asking that certain information submitted be kept confidential so competitors can’t see it and use it against Breeze. Breeze, for example, doesn’t want its competitors to know what initial city pairs it is looking at and what information/assumptions it is using to evaluate potential success on the routes.
 
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Sat Feb 13, 2021 11:30 pm

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I'm no expert, but it seems to me that Breeze has some very sharp people running their show. Getting the DOT to agree to agree to confidentiality in areas where where they would not normally do so takes a lot of, shall I say, "Moxie"! :lol:
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Is there any adds that breeze could fly from geg ?
 
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Tue Feb 23, 2021 9:59 pm

Breeze has been granted authority to operate passenger flights https://twitter.com/ishriona/status/136 ... 17120?s=21
 
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Wed Feb 24, 2021 1:30 am

They got it... when should they announce first?
 
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Wed Feb 24, 2021 1:44 am

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Breeze has been granted authority to operate passenger flights https://twitter.com/ishriona/status/136 ... 17120?s=21


The key word in the Tweet is "tentatively". The Show Cause order has been issued, which starts a 14 day clock for objections, and an additional 7 days for replies. That would put the DOT certificate about 30 days out, and it still needs an FAA certificate before authority would become effective. It will be initially limited to 22 aircraft
 
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Wed Feb 24, 2021 2:35 am

Congrats to Breeze! This beautiful scheme will look wonderful at airports across the country. I am pulling for this carrier, and cant wait to see what routes they offer.
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Is there any adds that breeze could fly from geg ?


I would imagine there are unserved markets fromGEG tht could suport less than daily service. Eventually. From what I've heard and seen, sounds like initial base is in the TPA area, if not TPA itself.
 
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Wed Feb 24, 2021 3:48 am

ChrisPBacon wrote:
Wneast wrote:
Is there any adds that breeze could fly from geg ?


I would imagine there are unserved markets fromGEG tht could suport less than daily service. Eventually. From what I've heard and seen, sounds like initial base is in the TPA area, if not TPA itself.

It might take the a220 but I know Florida is very underserved from here and Kansas has over a hundred passengers daily so that could work ?
 
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Wed Feb 24, 2021 2:18 pm

NWADTWE16 wrote:
Congrats to Breeze! This beautiful scheme will look wonderful at airports across the country. I am pulling for this carrier, and cant wait to see what routes they offer.


I'm hopeful we'll see that beautiful livery frequently at BHM!
 
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Wed Feb 24, 2021 9:32 pm

Where will FA housing be?
 
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Wed Feb 24, 2021 10:46 pm

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Where will FA housing be?

FA *basing. We probably won't know the answer to this until their route network is announced, unless you're actively applying for a FA job with them. For now refer to their careers page for more info. https://boards.greenhouse.io/breezeairways
 
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Wed Feb 24, 2021 11:25 pm

ChrisPBacon wrote:
Wneast wrote:
Is there any adds that breeze could fly from geg ?


I would imagine there are unserved markets fromGEG tht could suport less than daily service. Eventually. From what I've heard and seen, sounds like initial base is in the TPA area, if not TPA itself.


Nice if true. What is your source?
 
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Thu Feb 25, 2021 12:14 am

I got numbers from one of these threads
 
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Welcome !
 
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Thu Feb 25, 2021 2:34 am

yyztpa2 wrote:
Nice if true. What is your source?


All I can say is that its internal. And not a crewmember. To protect my source I can't really can't say anything more.
 
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Thu Feb 25, 2021 2:43 am

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It might take the a220 but I know Florida is very underserved from here and Kansas has over a hundred passengers daily so that could work ?


Not sure what the PDEW in any Florida market from GEG is. There are a lot of markets that will be better yielding because of fuel costs. I would imagine there are underserved markets from GEG in the western US that would be higher yielding that a long thin Florida route.
 
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Thu Feb 25, 2021 2:44 am

ChrisPBacon wrote:
Wneast wrote:
It might take the a220 but I know Florida is very underserved from here and Kansas has over a hundred passengers daily so that could work ?


Not sure what the PDEW in any Florida market from GEG is. There are a lot of markets that will be better yielding because of fuel costs. I would imagine there are underserved markets from GEG in the western US that would be higher yielding that a long thin Florida route.

I know Mco is 98 daily but what routes do you think could work
 
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Thu Feb 25, 2021 6:37 am

lostsound wrote:
luv2cattlecall wrote:
airlineworker wrote:
Will Breeze get any A220-100's? If their business model is to serve secondary airports, having a slightly smaller seat count could ensure higher load factors on new smaller markets.


Are the variable costs between the -100 and -300 much different? DL going with a mixed fleet makes me think it's notable, but then WN talks about how close the 737-700 and -800s are in trip costs.


I think they’re pretty close as with the 737s you mentioned. I think what helps differ the A221 is it’s shorter field performance. If Breeze is serious about serving small airports they may show interest in it down the line.

There are smaller airports that have some long thin routes that a 737/A320 couldn't do. Smaller markets are going to be the last routes added back as the industry recovers so a 221 would give Breeze an advantage.
 
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Tue Mar 02, 2021 7:40 pm

Jerseyguy wrote:
lostsound wrote:
luv2cattlecall wrote:

Are the variable costs between the -100 and -300 much different? DL going with a mixed fleet makes me think it's notable, but then WN talks about how close the 737-700 and -800s are in trip costs.


I think they’re pretty close as with the 737s you mentioned. I think what helps differ the A221 is it’s shorter field performance. If Breeze is serious about serving small airports they may show interest in it down the line.

There are smaller airports that have some long thin routes that a 737/A320 couldn't do. Smaller markets are going to be the last routes added back as the industry recovers so a 221 would give Breeze an advantage.

Embraer has E-190/195 for smaller routes.

Eventually Breeze will manage frequency to demand.
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Wed Mar 03, 2021 2:26 am

Seems like PHF fits their criteria perfectly. Way underserved and a pretty decent track record with AirTran. Not debating if ORF or RIC is a better choice but PHF is right in the center and has demonstrated it can pull from Hampton Roads and Richmond.
 
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Seems like PHF fits their criteria perfectly. Way underserved and a pretty decent track record with AirTran. Not debating if ORF or RIC is a better choice but PHF is right in the center and has demonstrated it can pull from Hampton Roads and Richmond.


I’ve contended for a while that PHF is ripe for either breeze or Avelo to have a meaningful operation.
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Wed Mar 03, 2021 1:04 pm

Breeze definitely has some opportunities to find a niche in these current conditions, but the biggest challenge is how many options are available.

Volume and yield potential are always going to be interesting to watch, as many options may well be empty now, but there may well be reasons for that.

Hoping to join the Underexplored dots may hold some appeal, but whether their model holds up is going to be interesting to watch. I’ll grab the popcorn :)
 
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Wed Mar 03, 2021 6:31 pm

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Breeze definitely has some opportunities to find a niche in these current conditions, but the biggest challenge is how many options are available.

Volume and yield potential are always going to be interesting to watch, as many options may well be empty now, but there may well be reasons for that.

Hoping to join the Underexplored dots may hold some appeal, but whether their model holds up is going to be interesting to watch. I’ll grab the popcorn :)

There model is a more automated and higher end version, in my opinion, if the Allegiant model. In my opinion, Allegiant has *the* model to emulate for the next 3 years.

Advantages:
1. Low frequency, only fly when customers pay a premium. If the E19x lease rates are as cheap as I speculate, then Breeze will clean up on popular days.
2. Nimble reallocation to city pairs that work, in part by rapidly scaling up and down the weekly frequency of service.
3. Number crunching to scale yield and service
4. The A220 offers incredible efficiency, so Breeze can one up Allegiant by offering redeyes and other more marginal service earlier at a profit.

I see evidence, but cannot present enough evidence, that DL seems to be going to a more nimble strategy.

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lightsaber wrote:
Jerseyguy wrote:
lostsound wrote:

I think they’re pretty close as with the 737s you mentioned. I think what helps differ the A221 is it’s shorter field performance. If Breeze is serious about serving small airports they may show interest in it down the line.

There are smaller airports that have some long thin routes that a 737/A320 couldn't do. Smaller markets are going to be the last routes added back as the industry recovers so a 221 would give Breeze an advantage.

Embraer has E-190/195 for smaller routes.

Eventually Breeze will manage frequency to demand.
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Oops, I think I may have been a bit sleep deprived when I wrote that because what I meant to say is that there is an advantage with airports with short runways like TTN and STS where there is service but it there is a bit of a perimeter due to the plane type being used. At TTN, Frontier has a 1100nm/1200nm perimeter because their A320s (and even their A319s) cant go further from the 6006ft runway with a reasonable load. Breeze could come in and fly 3x weekly to somewhere past that. I've had a problem locating the minimum runway length for MTOW on the E190, but A221 is 5700ft. This would probably have to be a bit later when they expand out of the Southeast.
 
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Sat Mar 06, 2021 8:28 pm

ChrisPBacon wrote:
Wneast wrote:
Is there any adds that breeze could fly from geg ?


I would imagine there are unserved markets fromGEG tht could suport less than daily service. Eventually. From what I've heard and seen, sounds like initial base is in the TPA area, if not TPA itself.

Is breeze going to serve SFB/MCO?
 
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Sun Mar 07, 2021 5:33 am

Cboyle wrote:
ChrisPBacon wrote:
Wneast wrote:
Is there any adds that breeze could fly from geg ?


I would imagine there are unserved markets fromGEG tht could suport less than daily service. Eventually. From what I've heard and seen, sounds like initial base is in the TPA area, if not TPA itself.

Is breeze going to serve SFB/MCO?

I’m sure they will. If I were a betting man, I’d say they’ll pick SFB over MCO.
 
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Sun Mar 07, 2021 3:55 pm

alohashirts wrote:
Cboyle wrote:
ChrisPBacon wrote:

I would imagine there are unserved markets fromGEG tht could suport less than daily service. Eventually. From what I've heard and seen, sounds like initial base is in the TPA area, if not TPA itself.

Is breeze going to serve SFB/MCO?

I’m sure they will. If I were a betting man, I’d say they’ll pick SFB over MCO.


The number 1 complaint about Allegiant and Orlando is SFB's location. Over and over, the refrain is that it's too far away from Disney, Uber is expensive from there, it's over an hour away, ect, ect, ect.

Breeze would be wise to target MCO especially in markets where Frontier or Spirit aren't offering the MCO option. Think Tulsa/LIT.
 
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WaywardMemphian wrote:
alohashirts wrote:
Cboyle wrote:
Is breeze going to serve SFB/MCO?

I’m sure they will. If I were a betting man, I’d say they’ll pick SFB over MCO.


The number 1 complaint about Allegiant and Orlando is SFB's location. Over and over, the refrain is that it's too far away from Disney, Uber is expensive from there, it's over an hour away, ect, ect, ect.

Breeze would be wise to target MCO especially in markets where Frontier or Spirit aren't offering the MCO option. Think Tulsa/LIT.

Breeze should avoid direct head to head with Allegiant. Using MCO would be wise just for that reason. Also, bus service to the park hotels is excellent from MCO.

I wanted to argue other parks matter: Disney: 155 million/year, Universal 10.9 million/year... Nevermind...

https://disneynews.us/disney-parks-attendance/

https://www.statista.com/statistics/236 ... 20visitors.

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Sun Mar 07, 2021 6:14 pm

lightsaber wrote:
WaywardMemphian wrote:
alohashirts wrote:
I’m sure they will. If I were a betting man, I’d say they’ll pick SFB over MCO.


The number 1 complaint about Allegiant and Orlando is SFB's location. Over and over, the refrain is that it's too far away from Disney, Uber is expensive from there, it's over an hour away, ect, ect, ect.

Breeze would be wise to target MCO especially in markets where Frontier or Spirit aren't offering the MCO option. Think Tulsa/LIT.

Breeze should avoid direct head to head with Allegiant. Using MCO would be wise just for that reason. Also, bus service to the park hotels is excellent from MCO.

I wanted to argue other parks matter: Disney: 155 million/year, Universal 10.9 million/year... Nevermind...

https://disneynews.us/disney-parks-attendance/

https://www.statista.com/statistics/236 ... 20visitors.

Lightsaber


The Disney number you provided is worldwide. Disney in Florida is around double the visitors of Universal.

https://www.miamiherald.com/living/trav ... 28944.html
https://www.aecom.com/wp-content/upload ... 2018-4.pdf
318, 319, 320, 321, 332, 333, 388, 707, 717, 722, 732, 733, 734, 73Q, 735, 73G, 738, 7M8, 739, 752, 753, 742, 74L, 744, 762, 763, 772, 77L, 77W, 789, 142, CN1, CR2, CR7, DC8, DH2, DH8, D8Q, D10, D95, EM2, ER3, ER4, E70, 100, J31, M11, M83, M88, M90, SF3
 
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Sun Mar 07, 2021 8:11 pm

lightsaber wrote:
WaywardMemphian wrote:
alohashirts wrote:
I’m sure they will. If I were a betting man, I’d say they’ll pick SFB over MCO.


The number 1 complaint about Allegiant and Orlando is SFB's location. Over and over, the refrain is that it's too far away from Disney, Uber is expensive from there, it's over an hour away, ect, ect, ect.

Breeze would be wise to target MCO especially in markets where Frontier or Spirit aren't offering the MCO option. Think Tulsa/LIT.

Breeze should avoid direct head to head with Allegiant. Using MCO would be wise just for that reason. Also, bus service to the park hotels is excellent from MCO.

I wanted to argue other parks matter: Disney: 155 million/year, Universal 10.9 million/year... Nevermind...

https://disneynews.us/disney-parks-attendance/

https://www.statista.com/statistics/236 ... 20visitors.

Lightsaber


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Sun Mar 07, 2021 8:14 pm

ytib wrote:
lightsaber wrote:
WaywardMemphian wrote:

The number 1 complaint about Allegiant and Orlando is SFB's location. Over and over, the refrain is that it's too far away from Disney, Uber is expensive from there, it's over an hour away, ect, ect, ect.

Breeze would be wise to target MCO especially in markets where Frontier or Spirit aren't offering the MCO option. Think Tulsa/LIT.

Breeze should avoid direct head to head with Allegiant. Using MCO would be wise just for that reason. Also, bus service to the park hotels is excellent from MCO.

I wanted to argue other parks matter: Disney: 155 million/year, Universal 10.9 million/year... Nevermind...

https://disneynews.us/disney-parks-attendance/

https://www.statista.com/statistics/236 ... 20visitors.

Lightsaber


The Disney number you provided is worldwide. Disney in Florida is around double the visitors of Universal.

https://www.miamiherald.com/living/trav ... 28944.html
https://www.aecom.com/wp-content/upload ... 2018-4.pdf


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Sun Mar 07, 2021 8:18 pm

ChrisPBacon wrote:
Wneast wrote:
Is there any adds that breeze could fly from geg ?


I would imagine there are unserved markets fromGEG tht could suport less than daily service. Eventually. From what I've heard and seen, sounds like initial base is in the TPA area, if not TPA itself.

Lakeland? Or PIE? Allegiant has shown that PIE can work well.
Lakeland has been wanting air service to the point of willingness to pay subsidies. PIE would be far cheaper to operate from than TPA, and pick up SRQ traffic as well, but you now have WN competing on both sides.
 
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Sun Mar 07, 2021 8:28 pm

Jerseyguy wrote:
lightsaber wrote:
Jerseyguy wrote:
There are smaller airports that have some long thin routes that a 737/A320 couldn't do. Smaller markets are going to be the last routes added back as the industry recovers so a 221 would give Breeze an advantage.

Embraer has E-190/195 for smaller routes.

Eventually Breeze will manage frequency to demand.
Lightsaber


Oops, I think I may have been a bit sleep deprived when I wrote that because what I meant to say is that there is an advantage with airports with short runways like TTN and STS where there is service but it there is a bit of a perimeter due to the plane type being used. At TTN, Frontier has a 1100nm/1200nm perimeter because their A320s (and even their A319s) cant go further from the 6006ft runway with a reasonable load. Breeze could come in and fly 3x weekly to somewhere past that. I've had a problem locating the minimum runway length for MTOW on the E190, but A221 is 5700ft. This would probably have to be a bit later when they expand out of the Southeast.


The 190, per Embraer's page, requires 6900 feet with full pax, Long Range Configuration, and typical mission reserves. Add in the fudge factor that airlines like to operate with, and that would mean 7500 feet on a standard day. (Sea Level, 59 degrees F, 29.92 pressure). This is the mean, obviously. Less Pax or shorter range, the calculation changes.
 
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Sun Mar 07, 2021 8:58 pm

ytib wrote:
lightsaber wrote:
WaywardMemphian wrote:

The number 1 complaint about Allegiant and Orlando is SFB's location. Over and over, the refrain is that it's too far away from Disney, Uber is expensive from there, it's over an hour away, ect, ect, ect.

Breeze would be wise to target MCO especially in markets where Frontier or Spirit aren't offering the MCO option. Think Tulsa/LIT.

Breeze should avoid direct head to head with Allegiant. Using MCO would be wise just for that reason. Also, bus service to the park hotels is excellent from MCO.

I wanted to argue other parks matter: Disney: 155 million/year, Universal 10.9 million/year... Nevermind...

https://disneynews.us/disney-parks-attendance/

https://www.statista.com/statistics/236 ... 20visitors.

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The Disney number you provided is worldwide. Disney in Florida is around double the visitors of Universal.

https://www.miamiherald.com/living/trav ... 28944.html
https://www.aecom.com/wp-content/upload ... 2018-4.pdf

He quoted the wrong number, but his Disney link actually gives the attendance by park:

In 2019 Magic Kingdom had 20.4 m visitors, Epcot had 12.444 m, Animal Kingdom had 13.888 m, Hollywood Studios 11.483 m, and their two water parks had about 2 m each. Obviously there is a lot of overlap in visitors (people visiting multiple parks during one trip to Orlando) but still Disney is king.
 
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Re: Breeze - News and Discussion Thread - 2021

Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:11 pm

Polot wrote:
ytib wrote:
lightsaber wrote:
Breeze should avoid direct head to head with Allegiant. Using MCO would be wise just for that reason. Also, bus service to the park hotels is excellent from MCO.

I wanted to argue other parks matter: Disney: 155 million/year, Universal 10.9 million/year... Nevermind...

https://disneynews.us/disney-parks-attendance/

https://www.statista.com/statistics/236 ... 20visitors.

Lightsaber


The Disney number you provided is worldwide. Disney in Florida is around double the visitors of Universal.

https://www.miamiherald.com/living/trav ... 28944.html
https://www.aecom.com/wp-content/upload ... 2018-4.pdf

He quoted the wrong number, but his Disney link actually gives the attendance by park:

In 2019 Magic Kingdom had 20.4 m visitors, Epcot had 12.444 m, Animal Kingdom had 13.888 m, Hollywood Studios 11.483 m, and their two water parks had about 2 m each. Obviously there is a lot of overlap in visitors (people visiting multiple parks during one trip to Orlando) but still Disney is king.



It has been my experience with either my family or others that few ever go to all the parks during a visit, even ones for multiple days. I, myself, have gone only for garden and food and wine festivals at epcot and just resort days. Just recently had a friend and his wife go for Animal Kingdom for Pandora and Hollywood Studios for Star Wars with day at Universal for the Potter stuff. A couple in their mid 40s mind you, zero kids. Just got back form Tahoe as well.
 
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Re: Breeze - News and Discussion Thread - 2021

Mon Mar 08, 2021 12:31 am

Flint or Lansing would be great additions for them.
 
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Re: Breeze - News and Discussion Thread - 2021

Mon Mar 08, 2021 12:33 am

Geg and Boise would be great probably will be little bit of time before those Adds ?

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