They are in ROW. The A333s are probably done and likely will be scrapped. The A332s will likely be converted to freighters or eventually find a new pax operator. AA has retired the planes and they will not re-enter the AA fleet.

I’m sad about that, they are so much nicer in Y than the 787. I guess I’m turning old but the older birds were better.

Fred


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flipdewaf wrote:

I’m sad about that, they are so much nicer in Y than the 787. I guess I’m turning old but the older birds were better.

Fred


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It really is sad especially with 332s being so young. Some of them are less than a year older than AA earliest 787s. 2-4-2 makes for a really comfortable coach class. AA is in survival mode and fleet commonality won out.

JohanTally wrote:

flipdewaf wrote:

I’m sad about that, they are so much nicer in Y than the 787. I guess I’m turning old but the older birds were better.

Fred


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It really is sad especially with 332s being so young. Some of them are less than a year older than AA earliest 787s. 2-4-2 makes for a really comfortable coach class. AA is in survival mode and fleet commonality won out.

It isn't just fleet commonality, although that probably cemented the decision, but rather variable costs.

The reality is that the widebody market will not recover soon.

Lightsaber

flipdewaf wrote:

I’m sad about that, they are so much nicer in Y than the 787. I guess I’m turning old but the older birds were better.

Fred


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This sounds more like a desire to fly an A332 than really being honest about the 787? The aircraft is newer, the internal systems are better for your health, and considering the entire COVID-19 thing, I think the newer air circulation system might be better for you over a long haul flight? Will always remember a pilot who flew a 787, and compared that flight to a 777. He said the 787 flew so much faster and more efficient than the 777, that he had to think far faster in the 787 because he could very easily overshoot his glide path. He said he had to begin the landing procedures far earlier than in the 777. I took that to also mean that the passenger experience is also significantly different. I think your concern is more the layout the airline chooses and not with the newer frame. And there is nothing wrong with personal preference. Enjoy it, but newer does have its advantages.

With DL's love of the A330 series I wonder if DL is interested in buying the A330's?

x1234 wrote:

With DL's love of the A330 series I wonder if DL is interested in buying the A330's?

Delta isn’t buying any planes. The last thing they need is more planes when they have so many parked. None of the legacies are buying anything.

x1234 wrote:

With DL's love of the A330 series I wonder if DL is interested in buying the A330's?

I would rule out the -200 since they're RR-powered. The -300s on the other hand... they may have a chance, but the MTOW may be a factor. DL's newer builds are 242t models.

Delta doesn't want an old bunch of ex USair A330's lets just realize that and stop speculating any angle where they might. Even A330 have gone to the desert for retirement.

CFBFrame wrote:

flipdewaf wrote:

I’m sad about that, they are so much nicer in Y than the 787. I guess I’m turning old but the older birds were better.

Fred


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This sounds more like a desire to fly an A332 than really being honest about the 787? The aircraft is newer, the internal systems are better for your health, and considering the entire COVID-19 thing, I think the newer air circulation system might be better for you over a long haul flight? Will always remember a pilot who flew a 787, and compared that flight to a 777. He said the 787 flew so much faster and more efficient than the 777, that he had to think far faster in the 787 because he could very easily overshoot his glide path. He said he had to begin the landing procedures far earlier than in the 777. I took that to also mean that the passenger experience is also significantly different. I think your concern is more the layout the airline chooses and not with the newer frame. And there is nothing wrong with personal preference. Enjoy it, but newer does have its advantages.

Part of it is the airline configuration. The a332s didn't have slimline seats.

But objectively 2-4-2 is better than 3-3-3 as a passenger, all else being equal. 2-3-2 on the 767 was similar.

Philippine747 wrote:

x1234 wrote:

With DL's love of the A330 series I wonder if DL is interested in buying the A330's?

I would rule out the -200 since they're RR-powered. The -300s on the other hand... they may have a chance, but the MTOW may be a factor. DL's newer builds are 242t models.

The a333s are close to 20 years old. They're headed to the scrap pile

CFBFrame wrote:

flipdewaf wrote:

I’m sad about that, they are so much nicer in Y than the 787. I guess I’m turning old but the older birds were better.

Fred


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This sounds more like a desire to fly an A332 than really being honest about the 787? The aircraft is newer, the internal systems are better for your health, and considering the entire COVID-19 thing, I think the newer air circulation system might be better for you over a long haul flight? Will always remember a pilot who flew a 787, and compared that flight to a 777. He said the 787 flew so much faster and more efficient than the 777, that he had to think far faster in the 787 because he could very easily overshoot his glide path. He said he had to begin the landing procedures far earlier than in the 777. I took that to also mean that the passenger experience is also significantly different. I think your concern is more the layout the airline chooses and not with the newer frame. And there is nothing wrong with personal preference. Enjoy it, but newer does have its advantages.

No offense, but that's total horse crap.

The 787 is very easy to fly and lands very slow at typical landing weights.

Thank you all for your insight. As for the 330-300, what was their final configuration and onboard product ex. First, Business, Premium Economy, PTVs?

b764 wrote:

Thank you all for your insight. As for the 330-300, what was their final configuration and onboard product ex. First, Business, Premium Economy, PTVs?

28 business and 263 economy all with PTV but these aircraft didn't receive the updates that the 332s got so they were very underwhelming.

CFBFrame wrote:

flipdewaf wrote:

I’m sad about that, they are so much nicer in Y than the 787. I guess I’m turning old but the older birds were better.

Fred


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This sounds more like a desire to fly an A332 than really being honest about the 787?

Yes, it is a desire to fly the A330 over the 787, why should that make it dishonest?

CFBFrame wrote:

The aircraft is newer,

Newer doesn't sound like an inherent passenger quality to me.

CFBFrame wrote:

the internal systems are better for your health,

In what non-marketing sense?

CFBFrame wrote:

and considering the entire COVID-19 thing, I think the newer air circulation system might be better for you over a long haul flight?

I think you'd be genuinly hard pressed to find any meaningful difference and I'm getting on neither until COVID has calmed down.

EVERY flight I have been on AA 787s (5 or 6 TATL) has been a less good experience than every AA A330 flight I have taken (4 TATL and 2 US internal). The noise level differences were imperceptible as were the "special" air features of the 787. The seats on the A330 felt more spacious, the 2 by the window vs 3 made the window seat less claustrophobic and the fact that someone else wasn't controlling the stupid electric window blinds for which the passenger gets the illusion of control through a greasy grimy degraded and split rubber button are the reasons why the A330 would be preferred for AA for me.

Fred

The 787 has lower variable costs.

I personally like PTVs to distract other passengers. I also notice the humidity system.

There is a reason the 787 outsells the A330 today and is produced at a higher rate.

Sadly, due to this downturn, there is a surplus of aircraft. Norwegian alone generated a surplus of 787s.

The A332 is an economic tough position as it cut seats for range.

They are both good planes, but one has lower variable costs.

Lightsaber

I don't think there is much of a market for used jets, even the relatively new A332s AA had inherited from US. I'd agree the A330-300s are likely going to face the scrap while the A332s I could see used for spare parts.

x1234 wrote:

With DL's love of the A330 series I wonder if DL is interested in buying the A330's?

No way. 4 out of their 11 A330-200s are currently active. That is less than half. And plus, the DL 333s use the GE engines, not the PWs on AAs.

Boeing757100 wrote:

x1234 wrote:

With DL's love of the A330 series I wonder if DL is interested in buying the A330's?

No way. 4 out of their 11 A330-200s are currently active. That is less than half. And plus, the DL 333s use the GE engines, not the PWs on AAs.

AA’s A332s are RR, the A333s are PW. DL’s A333s are a mix of PW (the exNW frames) and GE (the 10 newer 242T frames). All of DL A332s are PW all being ex NW.

Polot wrote:

The A333s are probably done and likely will be scrapped.

Never say never. Way older A330-300s have been converted already, including some former regional workhorses from Thai and Malaysian.

VSMUT wrote:

Polot wrote:

The A333s are probably done and likely will be scrapped.

Never say never. Way older A330-300s have been converted already, including some former regional workhorses from Thai and Malaysian.

Sure, but that was during a time when A333 feedstock was limited due to strong passenger airline demand. Post covid, with airlines ditching wide bodies much earlier than planned as they slim down, I suspect most of the AA A333s will be skipped over for younger available frames.

The 330 is much more pleasant than the 787 if you are in Y. I have to sit sideways on a 787. And that is the same regardless of carrier (except JL).

Polot wrote:

VSMUT wrote:

Polot wrote:

The A333s are probably done and likely will be scrapped.

Never say never. Way older A330-300s have been converted already, including some former regional workhorses from Thai and Malaysian.

Sure, but that was during a time when A333 feedstock was limited due to strong passenger airline demand. Post covid, with airlines ditching wide bodies much earlier than planned as they slim down, I suspect most of the AA A333s will be skipped over for younger available frames.

This. What happened before COVID is largely irrelevant. New market.

x1234 wrote:

With DL's love of the A330 series I wonder if DL is interested in buying the A330's?

One, Delta has new 330s on order that they deferred.

Two, they don’t need the capacity.

Three, they don’t have the cash to spend on acquisition cost and modifications needed.

Four, you all need to stop saying Delta should every plane another airline retires.

Philippine747 wrote:

I would rule out the -200 since they're RR-powered. The -300s on the other hand... they may have a chance, but the MTOW may be a factor. DL's newer builds are 242t models.

If DL were ever looking to take on used 330s (not saying they will), I don't think the MTOW would be a deal breaker. They only have what, like 10 242T -300s? (Out of a fleet of 31.) A good chunk of DL A330 ops seem to fall well within the capabilities of the lower weight aircraft. For the missions that stretch it (e.g. TPAC; longer TATL in winter with cargo) they have enough 242T, A339, and even A359.

ContinentalEWR wrote:

I'd agree the A330-300s are likely going to face the scrap while the A332s I could see used for spare parts.

Even if scrapped they'll take everything of value off the -300s. If DL or anybody else doesn't want the complete aircraft, they would probably like the engines (provided they have a good amount of green time left). Then there's still airframe parts, avionics, etc. I'd like to think the -200s will sit in the desert until the widebody market recovers, but if they end up facing the scrapper the Trents will be valuable too.

Scary, I cannot find American's A330s on airfleets in February 2021:
https://www.airfleets.net/exploit/production-a330-0.htm

Please tell me I missed it. Otherwise, that means these A330s already have disposal plans in place. Or a glitch... Most likely, this is it for A330s at AA...


I keep seeing posts on people having a preference for Y in the A330 over the 789. For the A330NEO, I only see two business cases:
1. Airlines that garner a premium in Y (DL, VS) and are catering to their higher priced market.
2. ULCCs that stuff 9 across in Y.

How much is everyone willing to pay for A330 Y vs. 787 Y? Even though I have broad shoulders, I won't pay more (but I will for legroom...). Quantify the premium as the space isn't free and there is a variable cost difference.

I believe on AA, those preferring more space upgrade from Y.

There is also just too much capacity and there will be for years. A330 resale values are not priced for long passenger service lives...

Antarius wrote:

Polot wrote:

VSMUT wrote:

Never say never. Way older A330-300s have been converted already, including some former regional workhorses from Thai and Malaysian.

Sure, but that was during a time when A333 feedstock was limited due to strong passenger airline demand. Post covid, with airlines ditching wide bodies much earlier than planned as they slim down, I suspect most of the AA A333s will be skipped over for younger available frames.

This. What happened before COVID is largely irrelevant. New market.

Unfortunately true, all the matters is the Change pre to the eventual post Covid world. I posted upthread the changes in resale value of A330s. 5 year old A330s lost $13M usd per my prior links and is now only worth $54 million. That changes the conversion business case.

However, with low scrap values, some quantity of A330s will be stored and eventually sold for conversion when the market recovers some (it should recover some from the bottom, but I do not think we have found the bottom, nor will we for 15 to 30 months).

Lightsaber

https://www.airfleets.net/flottecie/Ame ... d-a330.htm

All showing as stored.

Philippine747 wrote:

x1234 wrote:

With DL's love of the A330 series I wonder if DL is interested in buying the A330's?

I would rule out the -200 since they're RR-powered. The -300s on the other hand... they may have a chance, but the MTOW may be a factor. DL's newer builds are 242t models.

The 300's are too old and DL loves used planes, the 200's might be a possibility.

Ziyulu wrote:

The 330 is much more pleasant than the 787 if you are in Y. I have to sit sideways on a 787. And that is the same regardless of carrier (except JL).

Seat pitch is the choice of the carrier and has almost nothing (other than hardpoints) with whether the aircraft is an A330, 787, or DC-3.

CFBFrame wrote:

flipdewaf wrote:

I’m sad about that, they are so much nicer in Y than the 787. I guess I’m turning old but the older birds were better.

Fred


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This sounds more like a desire to fly an A332 than really being honest about the 787? The aircraft is newer, the internal systems are better for your health, and considering the entire COVID-19 thing, I think the newer air circulation system might be better for you over a long haul flight? Will always remember a pilot who flew a 787, and compared that flight to a 777. He said the 787 flew so much faster and more efficient than the 777, that he had to think far faster in the 787 because he could very easily overshoot his glide path. He said he had to begin the landing procedures far earlier than in the 777. I took that to also mean that the passenger experience is also significantly different. I think your concern is more the layout the airline chooses and not with the newer frame. And there is nothing wrong with personal preference. Enjoy it, but newer does have its advantages.

The komfort of the 787 Will never be on par or better Than the A332, simple Because of the 3-3-3 seating, Also there are more annoying noise in the 787.

airlineworker wrote:

Philippine747 wrote:

x1234 wrote:

With DL's love of the A330 series I wonder if DL is interested in buying the A330's?

I would rule out the -200 since they're RR-powered. The -300s on the other hand... they may have a chance, but the MTOW may be a factor. DL's newer builds are 242t models.

The 300's are too old and DL loves used planes, the 200's might be a possibility.

DL is not going to get a sub fleet of used a332s with different engines. Not going to happen.

Antarius wrote:

airlineworker wrote:

Philippine747 wrote:

I would rule out the -200 since they're RR-powered. The -300s on the other hand... they may have a chance, but the MTOW may be a factor. DL's newer builds are 242t models.

The 300's are too old and DL loves used planes, the 200's might be a possibility.

DL is not going to get a sub fleet of used a332s with different engines. Not going to happen.

Other than mergers (NW, Western), when has Delta bought a used widebody? I am unable to recall a time.

Narrobodies, a totally different answer. I don't think Delta buys used widebody aircraft.

Lightsaber

lightsaber wrote:

Scary, I cannot find American's A330s on airfleets in February 2021:
https://www.airfleets.net/exploit/production-a330-0.htm

Please tell me I missed it. Otherwise, that means these A330s already have disposal plans in place. Or a glitch... Most likely, this is it for A330s at AA...


I keep seeing posts on people having a preference for Y in the A330 over the 789. For the A330NEO, I only see two business cases:
1. Airlines that garner a premium in Y (DL, VS) and are catering to their higher priced market.
2. ULCCs that stuff 9 across in Y.

How much is everyone willing to pay for A330 Y vs. 787 Y? Even though I have broad shoulders, I won't pay more (but I will for legroom...). Quantify the premium as the space isn't free and there is a variable cost difference.

I believe on AA, those preferring more space upgrade from Y.

There is also just too much capacity and there will be for years. A330 resale values are not priced for long passenger service lives...

Antarius wrote:

Polot wrote:

Sure, but that was during a time when A333 feedstock was limited due to strong passenger airline demand. Post covid, with airlines ditching wide bodies much earlier than planned as they slim down, I suspect most of the AA A333s will be skipped over for younger available frames.

This. What happened before COVID is largely irrelevant. New market.

Unfortunately true, all the matters is the Change pre to the eventual post Covid world. I posted upthread the changes in resale value of A330s. 5 year old A330s lost $13M usd per my prior links and is now only worth $54 million. That changes the conversion business case.

However, with low scrap values, some quantity of A330s will be stored and eventually sold for conversion when the market recovers some (it should recover some from the bottom, but I do not think we have found the bottom, nor will we for 15 to 30 months).

Lightsaber

According to Planespotters all 24 A330's are parked at ROW awaiting their fates: https://www.planespotters.net/airline/American-Airlines
Interesting to note that 5 A333's and 1 A332 are owned by lessors. I guess when the market improves, those half-dozen A330's will be returned to the lessors to place with new customers, sold for conversion, or scrapped.

The 14 AA-owned A332's could end up being sold to cargo converters. AA has been selling B763ER's to converters since their retirement and demand for A332's for conversion seems to be trending slightly upwards, too. Here's an overview of the A330P2F program: http://www.aircargopedia.com/pdf/A330P2FConversion.pdf

MIflyer12 wrote:

Ziyulu wrote:

The 330 is much more pleasant than the 787 if you are in Y. I have to sit sideways on a 787. And that is the same regardless of carrier (except JL).

Seat pitch is the choice of the carrier and has almost nothing (other than hardpoints) with whether the aircraft is an A330, 787, or DC-3.

I've flown on the following airlines with both 330 and 787. On all of these, the 330 is more comfortable:

AA
CZ
HU
MU

Ziyulu wrote:

MIflyer12 wrote:

Ziyulu wrote:

The 330 is much more pleasant than the 787 if you are in Y. I have to sit sideways on a 787. And that is the same regardless of carrier (except JL).

Seat pitch is the choice of the carrier and has almost nothing (other than hardpoints) with whether the aircraft is an A330, 787, or DC-3.

I've flown on the following airlines with both 330 and 787. On all of these, the 330 is more comfortable:

AA
CZ
HU
MU

Out of curiousity, how much of that is because A330s typically seat only 8 abreast vs 9 abreast on the 787, and older aircraft tend to have older, more padded seats?

VSMUT wrote:

Ziyulu wrote:

MIflyer12 wrote:

Seat pitch is the choice of the carrier and has almost nothing (other than hardpoints) with whether the aircraft is an A330, 787, or DC-3.

I've flown on the following airlines with both 330 and 787. On all of these, the 330 is more comfortable:

AA
CZ
HU
MU

Out of curiousity, how much of that is because A330s typically seat only 8 abreast vs 9 abreast on the 787, and older aircraft tend to have older, more padded seats?

Likely both. All things being equal (seats etc), 2-3-2 and 2-4-2 are better than 3-3-3 from a passenger perspective.

lightsaber wrote:

Other than mergers (NW, Western), when has Delta bought a used widebody? I am unable to recall a time.

Delta acquired some Gulf Air 763s in the late 90s

lightsaber wrote:

Antarius wrote:

airlineworker wrote:

The 300's are too old and DL loves used planes, the 200's might be a possibility.

DL is not going to get a sub fleet of used a332s with different engines. Not going to happen.

Other than mergers (NW, Western), when has Delta bought a used widebody? I am unable to recall a time.

Narrobodies, a totally different answer. I don't think Delta buys used widebody aircraft.

Lightsaber

The threads on an airline retiring an aircraft devolving into "maybe DL will want these" are getting *very* old.

Ziyulu wrote:

The 330 is much more pleasant than the 787 if you are in Y. I have to sit sideways on a 787. And that is the same regardless of carrier (except JL).

I have flown on AA's 777-300 and 787 in Y. I have also flown on Lufthansa's A330 in Y. I prefer the Lufthansa birds over the AA 777's and I have only flown on the 787 domestic.

jbs2886 wrote:

lightsaber wrote:

Antarius wrote:

DL is not going to get a sub fleet of used a332s with different engines. Not going to happen.

Other than mergers (NW, Western), when has Delta bought a used widebody? I am unable to recall a time.

Narrobodies, a totally different answer. I don't think Delta buys used widebody aircraft.

Lightsaber

The threads on an airline retiring an aircraft devolving into "maybe DL will want these" are getting *very* old.

So every thread?

But seriously, agree. The base amount of research should be done before opining on such stuff. No airline is going to pick up a subfleet of odd engines, especially when widebodies are dime a dozen right now.

N965UW wrote:

lightsaber wrote:

Other than mergers (NW, Western), when has Delta bought a used widebody? I am unable to recall a time.

Delta acquired some Gulf Air 763s in the late 90s

And going further back::
10 domestic L10's after Eastern shut down in 1991
6 L15's from Air Canada in 1991/1992

deltacto wrote:

N965UW wrote:

lightsaber wrote:

Other than mergers (NW, Western), when has Delta bought a used widebody? I am unable to recall a time.

Delta acquired some Gulf Air 763s in the late 90s

And going further back::
10 domestic L10's after Eastern shut down in 1991
6 L15's from Air Canada in 1991/1992

DL also got used A310s from Pan Am and took delivery of new ones as well.

Maybe Qantas would be interested in the ex-AA A332s for flights within Australia and South East Asia. Yes I know, Qantas has ordered a lot of 787s but they are using those on ultra long haul flights now that their 747s are gone, and the A380s will soon be.

These A332s could be candidates for conversion to the MRTT for RCAF. The RCAF recently put out an Invitation to Qualify seeking a replacement for their CC-150s. There are really only two competitors in this market the KC-46 & A330MRTT

x1234 wrote:

With DL's love of the A330 series I wonder if DL is interested in buying the A330's?

an airline losing 15 million dollars a day is going to buy airplanes it doesn't need. Hell the company has plenty of its own A330s still sitting.

N649DL wrote:

deltacto wrote:

N965UW wrote:

Delta acquired some Gulf Air 763s in the late 90s

And going further back::
10 domestic L10's after Eastern shut down in 1991
6 L15's from Air Canada in 1991/1992

DL also got used A310s from Pan Am and took delivery of new ones as well.

Would be considered a merger.
The only airplanes Delta has bought used in the last 20 years were the six Gulf Air birds.

Delta management has been asked about this time and time again. Even when the market was good it made very little sense to buy used wide bodies due to cost of modification.

lightsaber wrote:

Antarius wrote:

airlineworker wrote:

The 300's are too old and DL loves used planes, the 200's might be a possibility.

DL is not going to get a sub fleet of used a332s with different engines. Not going to happen.

Other than mergers (NW, Western), when has Delta bought a used widebody? I am unable to recall a time.

Narrobodies, a totally different answer. I don't think Delta buys used widebody aircraft.

Lightsaber

They don't. They certainly don't when they plenty of their own wide bodies parked and are deferring planes from airbus.

Boeing757100 wrote:

x1234 wrote:

With DL's love of the A330 series I wonder if DL is interested in buying the A330's?

No way. 4 out of their 11 A330-200s are currently active. That is less than half. And plus, the DL 333s use the GE engines, not the PWs on AAs.

No Delta uses Pratt 4068s, GE CF6-80E1s and Roll Royce Trent 7000s on its Airbus fleet. The 200s and all but 10 of the 300s are Pratts. 10 300s are GE and all of the 900s are Trents.

N965UW wrote:

Philippine747 wrote:

I would rule out the -200 since they're RR-powered. The -300s on the other hand... they may have a chance, but the MTOW may be a factor. DL's newer builds are 242t models.

If DL were ever looking to take on used 330s (not saying they will), I don't think the MTOW would be a deal breaker. They only have what, like 10 242T -300s? (Out of a fleet of 31.) A good chunk of DL A330 ops seem to fall well within the capabilities of the lower weight aircraft. For the missions that stretch it (e.g. TPAC; longer TATL in winter with cargo) they have enough 242T, A339, and even A359.

ContinentalEWR wrote:

I'd agree the A330-300s are likely going to face the scrap while the A332s I could see used for spare parts.

Even if scrapped they'll take everything of value off the -300s. If DL or anybody else doesn't want the complete aircraft, they would probably like the engines (provided they have a good amount of green time left). Then there's still airframe parts, avionics, etc. I'd like to think the -200s will sit in the desert until the widebody market recovers, but if they end up facing the scrapper the Trents will be valuable too.

FWIW I do believe the 300s for US the original 300 MTOW birds while Northwest got higher MTOW birds (didn't at some point Airbus refer to higher MTOW birds as A330-300Es or Xs? Can't remember now)

airlineworker wrote:

Philippine747 wrote:

x1234 wrote:

With DL's love of the A330 series I wonder if DL is interested in buying the A330's?

I would rule out the -200 since they're RR-powered. The -300s on the other hand... they may have a chance, but the MTOW may be a factor. DL's newer builds are 242t models.

The 300's are too old and DL loves used planes, the 200's might be a possibility.

not at all. Delta is working on reducing engine types, not adding more of them.

jbs2886 wrote:

lightsaber wrote:

Antarius wrote:

DL is not going to get a sub fleet of used a332s with different engines. Not going to happen.

Other than mergers (NW, Western), when has Delta bought a used widebody? I am unable to recall a time.

Narrobodies, a totally different answer. I don't think Delta buys used widebody aircraft.

Lightsaber

The threads on an airline retiring an aircraft devolving into "maybe DL will want these" are getting *very* old.

I'm a bit perplexed why these suggestions always come up when a US carrier phases out a type, but rarely when a foreign airline does. You'd think the forum would have been full of these suggestions when Singapore Airlines began phasing out its very young A330-300 fleet. Or the Etihad or Qatar A330 fleets for that matter.

Delta acquired 5 Pan Am L1011-500s from United in 1988.

lightsaber wrote:

Antarius wrote:

airlineworker wrote:

The 300's are too old and DL loves used planes, the 200's might be a possibility.

DL is not going to get a sub fleet of used a332s with different engines. Not going to happen.

Other than mergers (NW, Western), when has Delta bought a used widebody? I am unable to recall a time.

Narrobodies, a totally different answer. I don't think Delta buys used widebody aircraft.

Lightsaber

I believe some of the 764s were Malaysian before. They have the MH tail numbers.

jbs2886 wrote:

lightsaber wrote:

Antarius wrote:

DL is not going to get a sub fleet of used a332s with different engines. Not going to happen.

Other than mergers (NW, Western), when has Delta bought a used widebody? I am unable to recall a time.

Narrobodies, a totally different answer. I don't think Delta buys used widebody aircraft.

Lightsaber

The threads on an airline retiring an aircraft devolving into "maybe DL will want these" are getting *very* old.

I agree.

Boof02671 wrote:

lightsaber wrote:

Antarius wrote:

DL is not going to get a sub fleet of used a332s with different engines. Not going to happen.

Other than mergers (NW, Western), when has Delta bought a used widebody? I am unable to recall a time.

Narrobodies, a totally different answer. I don't think Delta buys used widebody aircraft.

Lightsaber

I believe some of the 764s were Malaysian before. They have the MH tail numbers.

All the 764s were delivered new to DL- DL and CO were always the only airlines to take delivery of the 767-400.

I’m not sure why Delta choose MH for the 764s, there probably wasn’t enough numbers in sequence with ‘DL’ left for the 764s so they picked a random letter pairing with available registrations.