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Re: Southwest in COS

Thu Mar 11, 2021 11:32 pm

Wneast wrote:
BMcD wrote:
Wneast wrote:
What do you see them focusing on in the next schedule update ?


I'm thinking west coast will be next up.

Are you thinking there going to double down on California?


Absolutely. No service from here except to LAX on a CR7 on United. Why not give it a try?
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Fri Mar 12, 2021 12:58 am

Wneast wrote:
Does anyone see southwest defending in Austin and or moving into expanding in the Pacific Northwest with place like Alaska and other flights to go against Alaskas add or double down on California?


Yes, I don't think the new expansion won't be met without some additional services by WN.
 
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Re: Southwest in COS

Fri Mar 12, 2021 3:24 am

ATCJesus wrote:
OKCDCA wrote:
Heard the first three flights were in the 70% range from a friend who attended the ceremonies. Welcome to COS WN! A big day for the Pikes Peak region!


First flight from Vegas had 67 ppl on board.

Well good thing it was the sixth flight...
 
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Re: Southwest in COS

Fri Mar 12, 2021 5:40 am

SurfandSnow wrote:
Wneast wrote:
They said they will be adding new non stops in the near term when could that be since it wasn’t today ?


I have to think WN, until it was willing to give HDN a try, relied on its traditional business model of getting people to drive in some cases several hours each way to catch Southwest Airlines flights. While this might have been a viable strategy in flatter parts of the country like the Midwest and South, WN may very well have quickly realized folks living in or visiting Colorado don't necessarily all want to drive through or along mountains to/from DEN for their flights. DEN also isn't known for short walks to gates or quickly delivering checked bags, unlike other Colorado airports.

COS currently doesn't have any nonstop service to the San Francisco Bay Area or Pacific Northwest. I suppose the failures of carriers like AS, F9 and UA to serve such places nonstop from COS may be telling, but perhaps WN could give COS-OAK a try? Even something like COS-BWI might be possible, given WN's popularity with Colorado FFers...

I could see those maybe even like a Boise flight or something, I feel like this will really work for southwest more then the other airlines
 
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Re: Southwest in COS

Fri Mar 12, 2021 12:43 pm

Colorado Division of Aeronautics posted a picture of the first Southwest arrival into COS yesterday and I was thrilled to see it was N203WN/ Colorado One, that cant have been by accident
 
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Re: Southwest in COS

Fri Mar 12, 2021 1:45 pm

BMcD wrote:
Absolutely. No service from here except to LAX on a CR7 on United. Why not give it a try?


That's the classic 'lower CASM vs. smaller increment of capacity' problem. LAX is a big enough market to support all kinds of destinations; LAX-COS could probably see some demand stimulation from lower fares.

On a date I checked in June (Monday, 6/7, to be precise), UA isn't even running CR7s: it's 2x CRJ-200.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Fri Mar 12, 2021 1:57 pm

tomaheath wrote:
LotsaRunway wrote:
Any idea what happened to the tread on WN new plane orders (Boeing vs Airbus)? There was some news on possible Max7 orders getting close. That still seems discussion worthey.

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1458625 Here you go.

Thanks! I don't know why this one didn't catch my eye. I guess I was just looking for the older thread.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Mon Mar 15, 2021 6:28 pm

Anybody think that southwest will increase there Hawaii flying from Oakland since Alaska is leaving the market ?
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Mon Mar 15, 2021 7:45 pm

Wneast wrote:
Anybody think that southwest will increase there Hawaii flying from Oakland since Alaska is leaving the market ?

Yes they most likely will.
In addition WN has officially announced it's submitted MAX8 ETOPS certification authorization to the FAA.
Since they already have NG800 Etops certification the certification of the MAX8 should be done quickly.
I'm gonna guess Hawaii flying going to see a HUGE increase June-Aug.

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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Mon Mar 15, 2021 7:50 pm

wnflyguy wrote:
Wneast wrote:
Anybody think that southwest will increase there Hawaii flying from Oakland since Alaska is leaving the market ?

Yes they most likely will.
In addition WN has officially announced it's submitted MAX8 ETOPS certification authorization to the FAA.
Since they already have NG800 Etops certification the certification of the MAX8 should be done quickly.
I'm gonna guess Hawaii flying going to see a HUGE increase June-Aug.

Flyguy

So we could see the Huge increase in Hawaii potentially in the April update ?
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Tue Mar 16, 2021 3:33 am

wnflyguy wrote:
Wneast wrote:
Anybody think that southwest will increase there Hawaii flying from Oakland since Alaska is leaving the market ?

Yes they most likely will.
In addition WN has officially announced it's submitted MAX8 ETOPS certification authorization to the FAA.
Since they already have NG800 Etops certification the certification of the MAX8 should be done quickly.
I'm gonna guess Hawaii flying going to see a HUGE increase June-Aug.

Flyguy

Shall we see some of there Saturday only flights to Hawaii be announced when we see the increase I remember I think you said at least six more cities being added ?
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Tue Mar 16, 2021 12:12 pm

Wneast wrote:
Anybody think that southwest will increase there Hawaii flying from Oakland since Alaska is leaving the market ?

They are making the whole OAK Pilot base ETOP qualified, instead of just the current subset. Additionally they are adding an ETOP qualified subset to the LAS Pilot base. I don't think that WN would increase the number of ETOP qualified pilots unless they needed them.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Tue Mar 16, 2021 1:59 pm

737tanker wrote:
Wneast wrote:
Anybody think that southwest will increase there Hawaii flying from Oakland since Alaska is leaving the market ?

They are making the whole OAK Pilot base ETOP qualified, instead of just the current subset. Additionally they are adding an ETOP qualified subset to the LAS Pilot base. I don't think that WN would increase the number of ETOP qualified pilots unless they needed them.


It certainly adds more speculation as to when LAS/PHX Hawaii flying will happen. Imo, a matter of when, not if.
 
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Re: Southwest in COS

Tue Mar 16, 2021 3:34 pm

AndoAv8R wrote:
Colorado Division of Aeronautics posted a picture of the first Southwest arrival into COS yesterday and I was thrilled to see it was N203WN/ Colorado One, that cant have been by accident


WN often uses the state liveries for the inaugurals. The first flight to Steamboat Springs was also on Colorado One and I remember when the wright amendment went away pretty much every specialty was sent to Dallas to do the first nonstops to Maryland, Florida, Illinois, Nevada, California, etc.
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Re: Southwest in COS

Tue Mar 16, 2021 6:37 pm

737max8 wrote:
AndoAv8R wrote:
Colorado Division of Aeronautics posted a picture of the first Southwest arrival into COS yesterday and I was thrilled to see it was N203WN/ Colorado One, that cant have been by accident


WN often uses the state liveries for the inaugurals. The first flight to Steamboat Springs was also on Colorado One and I remember when the wright amendment went away pretty much every specialty was sent to Dallas to do the first nonstops to Maryland, Florida, Illinois, Nevada, California, etc.


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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Tue Mar 16, 2021 7:22 pm

Are WN flying the Max aircraft all with 6XXX callsigns to make it easy to know which flights are max?
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Tue Mar 16, 2021 7:45 pm

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Are WN flying the Max aircraft all with 6XXX callsigns to make it easy to know which flights are max?


Yep, I'm not sure for how long that is, but for now all Max flights are 6000's.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Tue Mar 16, 2021 7:47 pm

WN732 wrote:
737tanker wrote:
Wneast wrote:
Anybody think that southwest will increase there Hawaii flying from Oakland since Alaska is leaving the market ?

They are making the whole OAK Pilot base ETOP qualified, instead of just the current subset. Additionally they are adding an ETOP qualified subset to the LAS Pilot base. I don't think that WN would increase the number of ETOP qualified pilots unless they needed them.


It certainly adds more speculation as to when LAS/PHX Hawaii flying will happen. Imo, a matter of when, not if.

Are you speculating that this could lead to this cities being added to Hawaii soon ?
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:18 pm

Wneast wrote:
WN732 wrote:
737tanker wrote:
They are making the whole OAK Pilot base ETOP qualified, instead of just the current subset. Additionally they are adding an ETOP qualified subset to the LAS Pilot base. I don't think that WN would increase the number of ETOP qualified pilots unless they needed them.


It certainly adds more speculation as to when LAS/PHX Hawaii flying will happen. Imo, a matter of when, not if.

Are you speculating that this could lead to this cities being added to Hawaii soon ?


That would greatly depend on your perception of soon. But what would be the point of having a plane capable of doing routes that are popular with your patrons and not using them to their full potential? WN has been eagerly chasing profit, especially in the past 12 months. Even going against their own status quo. What I am saying is almost a certainty that we will see these destinations added to Hawaii.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:19 pm

WN732 wrote:
Wneast wrote:
WN732 wrote:

It certainly adds more speculation as to when LAS/PHX Hawaii flying will happen. Imo, a matter of when, not if.

Are you speculating that this could lead to this cities being added to Hawaii soon ?


That would greatly depend on your perception of soon. But what would be the point of having a plane capable of doing routes that are popular with your patrons and not using them to their full potential? WN has been eagerly chasing profit, especially in the past 12 months. Even going against their own status quo. What I am saying is almost a certainty that we will see these destinations added to Hawaii.

They are probably next up for destinations to be added for Hawaii flights so I imagine now that they will have they plane it’s shouldn’t be long
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:51 pm

I know its unlikely but it would be nice to get a nonstop DEN-CRP flight. I read a report a few years ago that Corpus Christi International Airport did and they found that the one place that most out of state travelers flying into/out of CCIA we're from the Denver area.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Thu Mar 18, 2021 7:49 pm

AndoAv8R wrote:
I know its unlikely but it would be nice to get a nonstop DEN-CRP flight. I read a report a few years ago that Corpus Christi International Airport did and they found that the one place that most out of state travelers flying into/out of CCIA we're from the Denver area.

I could see WN adding that, at least as a Saturday-only flight.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Fri Mar 19, 2021 11:17 pm

Any hints on when WN will start up NAS again?
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Fri Mar 19, 2021 11:48 pm

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Any hints on when WN will start up NAS again?

Hopefully by the end of the summer.
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Mon Mar 22, 2021 3:39 am

WN just updated May 9-15. Guessing they push the rest of the month and early June tomorrow.

STL-MIA added daily.
STL-PNS now 5 days a week. (Guessing in response to NK).
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Mon Mar 22, 2021 1:00 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
WN just updated May 9-15. Guessing they push the rest of the month and early June tomorrow.

STL-MIA added daily.
STL-PNS now 5 days a week. (Guessing in response to NK).


Nice find! I've always thought that WN could support STL-PNS at least 5x week during the high season (April-October). However, WN had been content to just do weekends which I think left them open to NK's eventual entry into the market.

I also see PNS-DEN and PNS-BWI get bumped up too from Saturday only to 5x weekly. Using the current schedule on May 10th, WN would have 11 departures from PNS which would be an all time high for a weekday (3xBNA, 2xDAL, 2xHOU, 1xBWI, 1xSTL, 1xDEN, 1xATL). This would also make WN the largest carrier (by seats) in PNS...usurping both DL and AA.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Mon Mar 22, 2021 1:30 pm

It’s interesting to see WN beef up
Miami little by little. Wouldn’t be surprised if it eventually becomes a 40+ flights spoke.
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Mon Mar 22, 2021 1:50 pm

FlyPNS1 wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
WN just updated May 9-15. Guessing they push the rest of the month and early June tomorrow.

STL-MIA added daily.
STL-PNS now 5 days a week. (Guessing in response to NK).


Nice find! I've always thought that WN could support STL-PNS at least 5x week during the high season (April-October). However, WN had been content to just do weekends which I think left them open to NK's eventual entry into the market.

I also see PNS-DEN and PNS-BWI get bumped up too from Saturday only to 5x weekly. Using the current schedule on May 10th, WN would have 11 departures from PNS which would be an all time high for a weekday (3xBNA, 2xDAL, 2xHOU, 1xBWI, 1xSTL, 1xDEN, 1xATL). This would also make WN the largest carrier (by seats) in PNS...usurping both DL and AA.


PNS has LONG been underserved by WN.
Hopefully with the arrival of NK they will keep up
The pressure on NK. PNS-MDW is definitely another market that needs to be daily also.

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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Mon Mar 22, 2021 1:55 pm

CMH/IND/PIT-SRQ converted to 5x weekly
ORD & IND

AA & DL
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Mon Mar 22, 2021 2:30 pm

WN seems to be killing it with the Florida adds
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Mon Mar 22, 2021 2:47 pm

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CMH/IND/PIT-SRQ converted to 5x weekly


Were these previously weekend only?
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Mon Mar 22, 2021 3:13 pm

WN732 wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
CMH/IND/PIT-SRQ converted to 5x weekly


Were these previously weekend only?


Was originally Saturday only for only 5 weeks during Spring Break
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Tue Mar 23, 2021 4:48 am

Since the AS network thread has been discussing the potential impacts of WN starting flights to Alaska, here are my thoughts on the WN side of it...

If/when WN announces Alaska, I think it'll look something like this:

Year-round:
DEN-ANC 1x daily, DEN-FAI Saturday-only
PDX-ANC 2x daily, PDX-FAI 1x daily

Peak/Seasonal:
LAS-ANC
PHX-ANC
DEN-ANC increase to 2x daily
DEN-FAI increase to 1x daily

In order for WN to succeed in Alaska, they would need to start off in places where they have wider local recognition as well as places where it logically makes sense for connecting passengers to flow through. DEN is an easy connecting point for passengers east of the Rockies, and PDX can take connections from major west coast markets like Arizona, California, Nevada, etc. Not to mention that PDX-Alaska is a major O&D market (and is underserved in comparison to SEA-Alaska). If/when Alaska is finally announced, I think the operation will be fairly limited at least to start, and I really don't think they will go "all-in" as they have in Hawaii. I don't think LAS and PHX make sense year-round because they are sandwiched in between DEN and the west coast, which essentially limits traffic on ANC-LAS/PHX to just O&D.

If that goes well, then I think they could potentially add a handful of SEA-ANC flights in order to drastically bring down fares, and maybe even Saturday-only OAK-ANC and SMF-ANC flights.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Tue Mar 23, 2021 5:00 am

AC4500 wrote:
Since the AS network thread has been discussing the potential impacts of WN starting flights to Alaska, here are my thoughts on the WN side of it...

If/when WN announces Alaska, I think it'll look something like this:

Year-round:
DEN-ANC 1x daily, DEN-FAI Saturday-only
PDX-ANC 2x daily, PDX-FAI 1x daily

Peak/Seasonal:
LAS-ANC
PHX-ANC
DEN-ANC increase to 2x daily
DEN-FAI increase to 1x daily

In order for WN to succeed in Alaska, they would need to start off in places where they have wider local recognition as well as places where it logically makes sense for connecting passengers to flow through. DEN is an easy connecting point for passengers east of the Rockies, and PDX can take connections from major west coast markets like Arizona, California, Nevada, etc. Not to mention that PDX-Alaska is a major O&D market (and is underserved in comparison to SEA-Alaska). If/when Alaska is finally announced, I think the operation will be fairly limited at least to start, and I really don't think they will go "all-in" as they have in Hawaii. I don't think LAS and PHX make sense year-round because they are sandwiched in between DEN and the west coast, which essentially limits traffic on ANC-LAS/PHX to just O&D.

If that goes well, then I think they could potentially add a handful of SEA-ANC flights in order to drastically bring down fares, and maybe even Saturday-only OAK-ANC and SMF-ANC flights.

I feel like they haven’t gone all in Hawaii yet but we will see it this summer with the max etops certification
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Tue Mar 23, 2021 5:19 am

AC4500 wrote:
Since the AS network thread has been discussing the potential impacts of WN starting flights to Alaska, here are my thoughts on the WN side of it...

If/when WN announces Alaska, I think it'll look something like this:

Year-round:
DEN-ANC 1x daily, DEN-FAI Saturday-only
PDX-ANC 2x daily, PDX-FAI 1x daily

Peak/Seasonal:
LAS-ANC
PHX-ANC
DEN-ANC increase to 2x daily
DEN-FAI increase to 1x daily

In order for WN to succeed in Alaska, they would need to start off in places where they have wider local recognition as well as places where it logically makes sense for connecting passengers to flow through. DEN is an easy connecting point for passengers east of the Rockies, and PDX can take connections from major west coast markets like Arizona, California, Nevada, etc. Not to mention that PDX-Alaska is a major O&D market (and is underserved in comparison to SEA-Alaska). If/when Alaska is finally announced, I think the operation will be fairly limited at least to start, and I really don't think they will go "all-in" as they have in Hawaii. I don't think LAS and PHX make sense year-round because they are sandwiched in between DEN and the west coast, which essentially limits traffic on ANC-LAS/PHX to just O&D.

If that goes well, then I think they could potentially add a handful of SEA-ANC flights in order to drastically bring down fares, and maybe even Saturday-only OAK-ANC and SMF-ANC flights.


For WN to make Alaska/ANC successfully work it's gonna need to fly some Red eyes.
Unlike Hawaii Alaska not gonna have that same huge California frequent fliers chomping at the bit to use rewards for the dream vacation. It's definitely gonna need to connect with more of it's network feed in places like DEN,LAS and OAK.

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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Tue Mar 23, 2021 5:45 am

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Fingers crossed on ANC and JAC being added soon. Congrats to MYR, BLI, and EUG!


Looks like someone added Southwest to Jackson Hole Airport’s Wiki page under the Airlines/Destinations section. They’ve marked it as “TBA”. :spin:

The edit history shows it was added four hours ago. I’m assuming it’s someone trolling, but who knows. JAC is a popular destination for airlines right now.
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Tue Mar 23, 2021 5:51 am

Ishrion wrote:
aviationMCO8 wrote:
Fingers crossed on ANC and JAC being added soon. Congrats to MYR, BLI, and EUG!


Looks like someone added Southwest to Jackson Hole Airport’s Wiki page under the Airlines/Destinations section. They’ve marked it as “TBA”. :spin:

The edit history shows it was added four hours ago. I’m assuming it’s someone trolling, but who knows. JAC is a popular destination for airlines right now.

Wouldn’t be surprised if it ended up happening soon from now since the summer season is rolling around
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Tue Mar 23, 2021 1:37 pm

Ishrion wrote:
aviationMCO8 wrote:
Fingers crossed on ANC and JAC being added soon. Congrats to MYR, BLI, and EUG!


Looks like someone added Southwest to Jackson Hole Airport’s Wiki page under the Airlines/Destinations section. They’ve marked it as “TBA”. :spin:

The edit history shows it was added four hours ago. I’m assuming it’s someone trolling, but who knows. JAC is a popular destination for airlines right now.

JAC been talked about for awhile during this massive expansion. A lot of people keep saying 20 new destinations are planned so that leaves 3 more to come. With DEN being its ultra Mega City/HUB JAC only makes since.
RAP has been gaining speculation strength as another DEN Feeding market with that Outdoor adventures drawl.

JFK is said to be in the works also with WN eyeing the Slots AA/B6 code share they must sale.

Other leading cities in the Hot pot of speculation.
ANC
FAI
STS
BTV
SWF
ABE
MRY




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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Tue Mar 23, 2021 6:00 pm

wnflyguy wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
aviationMCO8 wrote:
Fingers crossed on ANC and JAC being added soon. Congrats to MYR, BLI, and EUG!


Looks like someone added Southwest to Jackson Hole Airport’s Wiki page under the Airlines/Destinations section. They’ve marked it as “TBA”. :spin:

The edit history shows it was added four hours ago. I’m assuming it’s someone trolling, but who knows. JAC is a popular destination for airlines right now.

JAC been talked about for awhile during this massive expansion. A lot of people keep saying 20 new destinations are planned so that leaves 3 more to come. With DEN being its ultra Mega City/HUB JAC only makes since.
RAP has been gaining speculation strength as another DEN Feeding market with that Outdoor adventures drawl.

JFK is said to be in the works also with WN eyeing the Slots AA/B6 code share they must sale.

Other leading cities in the Hot pot of speculation.
ANC
FAI
STS
BTV
SWF
ABE
MRY




Flyguy



JFK would be awesome. WN needs more than just LGA and ISP barely counts for anyone west of Farmingdale.
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Tue Mar 23, 2021 6:03 pm

WN732 wrote:
wnflyguy wrote:
Ishrion wrote:

Looks like someone added Southwest to Jackson Hole Airport’s Wiki page under the Airlines/Destinations section. They’ve marked it as “TBA”. :spin:

The edit history shows it was added four hours ago. I’m assuming it’s someone trolling, but who knows. JAC is a popular destination for airlines right now.

JAC been talked about for awhile during this massive expansion. A lot of people keep saying 20 new destinations are planned so that leaves 3 more to come. With DEN being its ultra Mega City/HUB JAC only makes since.
RAP has been gaining speculation strength as another DEN Feeding market with that Outdoor adventures drawl.

JFK is said to be in the works also with WN eyeing the Slots AA/B6 code share they must sale.

Other leading cities in the Hot pot of speculation.
ANC
FAI
STS
BTV
SWF
ABE
MRY




Flyguy



JFK would be awesome. WN needs more than just LGA and ISP barely counts for anyone west of Farmingdale.


What could WN possibly fly from JFK that would make sense? They don't do transcon or international stuff and they would get killed on the Florida stuff just like they got killed on the EWR-Florida stuff. If WN wants to return to a NYC airport, it should try to re-enter EWR.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Tue Mar 23, 2021 6:20 pm

tphuang wrote:
WN732 wrote:
wnflyguy wrote:
JAC been talked about for awhile during this massive expansion. A lot of people keep saying 20 new destinations are planned so that leaves 3 more to come. With DEN being its ultra Mega City/HUB JAC only makes since.
RAP has been gaining speculation strength as another DEN Feeding market with that Outdoor adventures drawl.

JFK is said to be in the works also with WN eyeing the Slots AA/B6 code share they must sale.

Other leading cities in the Hot pot of speculation.
ANC
FAI
STS
BTV
SWF
ABE
MRY




Flyguy



JFK would be awesome. WN needs more than just LGA and ISP barely counts for anyone west of Farmingdale.


What could WN possibly fly from JFK that would make sense? They don't do transcon or international stuff and they would get killed on the Florida stuff just like they got killed on the EWR-Florida stuff. If WN wants to return to a NYC airport, it should try to re-enter EWR.


That would greatly depend on how many slots they could gain. I agree that if they get very few, they would be clobbered. If they are able to treat JFK like ORD/MIA/IAH and add a few high frequency routes that can fill planes, then I'd feel they would do okay. I also agree that EWR is a huge hole and should be brought back.

If they did serve JFK, I would guess it would look very much like BOS.
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Tue Mar 23, 2021 6:23 pm

WN732 wrote:
tphuang wrote:
WN732 wrote:


JFK would be awesome. WN needs more than just LGA and ISP barely counts for anyone west of Farmingdale.


What could WN possibly fly from JFK that would make sense? They don't do transcon or international stuff and they would get killed on the Florida stuff just like they got killed on the EWR-Florida stuff. If WN wants to return to a NYC airport, it should try to re-enter EWR.


That would greatly depend on how many slots they could gain. I agree that if they get very few, they would be clobbered. If they are able to treat JFK like ORD/MIA/IAH and add a few high frequency routes that can fill planes, then I'd feel they would do okay. I also agree that EWR is a huge hole and should be brought back.

Yeah didn’t the really only leave Newark because of the max grounding or were the loads bad enough ?
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Tue Mar 23, 2021 7:14 pm

wnflyguy wrote:
JAC been talked about for awhile during this massive expansion. A lot of people keep saying 20 new destinations are planned so that leaves 3 more to come. With DEN being its ultra Mega City/HUB JAC only makes since.
RAP has been gaining speculation strength as another DEN Feeding market with that Outdoor adventures drawl.

JFK is said to be in the works also with WN eyeing the Slots AA/B6 code share they must sale.

Other leading cities in the Hot pot of speculation.
ANC
FAI
STS
BTV
SWF
ABE
MRY

Flyguy


Getting into some small markets there. I don't know about traffic at some of the others outside Alaska.

But MRY and STS only saw 2019 enplanements of about 230,000 each. That is 1/2 the enplanements of say SBA.
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Tue Mar 23, 2021 7:29 pm

FATFlyer wrote:
wnflyguy wrote:
JAC been talked about for awhile during this massive expansion. A lot of people keep saying 20 new destinations are planned so that leaves 3 more to come. With DEN being its ultra Mega City/HUB JAC only makes since.
RAP has been gaining speculation strength as another DEN Feeding market with that Outdoor adventures drawl.

JFK is said to be in the works also with WN eyeing the Slots AA/B6 code share they must sale.

Other leading cities in the Hot pot of speculation.
ANC
FAI
STS
BTV
SWF
ABE
MRY

Flyguy


Getting into some small markets there. I don't know about traffic at some of the others outside Alaska.

But MRY and STS only saw 2019 enplanements of about 230,000 each. That is 1/2 the enplanements of say SBA.

I think outside of Alaska and maybe JFK we will start to see more destinations added from there newer airports like Miami and COS places like those, and for them to gear up for there long awaited Hawaii expansion that has been stalled but should we should be seeing a major announcement in the next few weeks for a increase in Hawaii flying
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Tue Mar 23, 2021 10:30 pm

Southwest schedule now extends on April 1.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Tue Mar 23, 2021 10:32 pm

SteveXC500 wrote:
Southwest schedule now extends on April 1.
This an early April Fools joke?

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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Tue Mar 23, 2021 11:03 pm

ibthebigd wrote:
SteveXC500 wrote:
Southwest schedule now extends on April 1.
This an early April Fools joke?

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It could be a reactionary decision considering most of their competitors have their summer schedules out. The sooner WN extends their schedule, the more revenue and bookings they can capture. Especially in light of the recent surge in advanced bookings.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Tue Mar 23, 2021 11:04 pm

You know if the moving up of the schedule release has anything with getting the etops certification for the max ?
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Wed Mar 24, 2021 12:22 am

airplaneboy wrote:
ibthebigd wrote:
SteveXC500 wrote:
Southwest schedule now extends on April 1.
This an early April Fools joke?

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It could be a reactionary decision considering most of their competitors have their summer schedules out. The sooner WN extends their schedule, the more revenue and bookings they can capture. Especially in light of the recent surge in advanced bookings.

Booking are steadily rising for Summer time travel. You are correct and along with the lack of business pax's returning everyone else ramping up summer flying in a lot of WN traditional strong holds.
WN definitely needs to go on the defensive bring back some point to point flying and open new inventory for sale Sooner than later.

As for Pending MAX8 ETOPS Hawaii expansion it probably will not be announced with the April 1 schedule release.
But Hawaii is a highly attractive market in the pent up post covid travel demand so WN will not have a hard time generating revenue from new flying once they achieve MAX8 Etops certification.

Flyguy
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Wed Mar 24, 2021 12:25 am

wnflyguy wrote:
airplaneboy wrote:
ibthebigd wrote:
This an early April Fools joke?

Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk


It could be a reactionary decision considering most of their competitors have their summer schedules out. The sooner WN extends their schedule, the more revenue and bookings they can capture. Especially in light of the recent surge in advanced bookings.

Booking are steadily rising for Summer time travel. You are correct and along with the lack of business returning and everyone else ramping up summer flying in a lot of WN traditional strong holds they definitely need to open up seats Sooner than later.

As for Pending MAX8 ETOPS Hawaii expansion it probably will not be announced with the April 1 schedule release.
But Hawaii is a highly attractive market in the pent up post covid travel demand so WN will not have a hard time generating revenue from new flying once they achieve MAX8 Etops certification.

Flyguy

So do you think they max 8 etops certification will be a lot longer before it happens or could it be soon after ?

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