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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Mon Apr 26, 2021 6:36 pm

wnflyguy wrote:
Wneast wrote:
Is there a actually a announcement happening ? I’m not seeing anything

Well if a Hawaii announcement is part of the schedule increase it's only 08:30 in the morning in Hawaii so ???

It's definitely a bazaar day for the summer schedule increase a bunch of random adds with no announcements??

Flyguy

Do you have any sources on they announcement being Hawaii but even if it wasn’t why would the load a bunch of routes then no press release and if that was it the press release would have been done hours ago
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Mon Apr 26, 2021 6:40 pm

Wneast wrote:
wnflyguy wrote:
Wneast wrote:
Is there a actually a announcement happening ? I’m not seeing anything

Well if a Hawaii announcement is part of the schedule increase it's only 08:30 in the morning in Hawaii so ???

It's definitely a bazaar day for the summer schedule increase a bunch of random adds with no announcements??

Flyguy

Do you have any sources on they announcement being Hawaii but even if it wasn’t why would the load a bunch of routes then no press release and if that was it the press release would have been done hours ago


GK is a creature of habit and on the Internal WN Swalife page he has usually already posted his Monday morning Employee updated by 09:00 Herb and that's been delayed today. The only reason I see it being delayed is to accommodate the Hawaii stations so there involved with the news Vs waking up like we're doing what?

High hopes still??

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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Mon Apr 26, 2021 6:44 pm

wnflyguy wrote:
Wneast wrote:
wnflyguy wrote:
Well if a Hawaii announcement is part of the schedule increase it's only 08:30 in the morning in Hawaii so ???

It's definitely a bazaar day for the summer schedule increase a bunch of random adds with no announcements??

Flyguy

Do you have any sources on they announcement being Hawaii but even if it wasn’t why would the load a bunch of routes then no press release and if that was it the press release would have been done hours ago


GK is a creature of habit and on the Internal WN Swalife page he has usually already posted his Monday morning Employee updated by 09:00 Herb and that's been delayed today. The only reason I see it being delayed is to accommodate the Hawaii stations so there involved with the news Vs waking up like we're doing what?

High hopes still??

Flyguy

I wonder if it’s a 1 o clock or earlier Hawaiian time I’m really hopping we see they Hawaii adds and I would think there no way it doesn’t happen because they said it would be included in there next adds ?
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Mon Apr 26, 2021 6:52 pm

DakotaFlyer wrote:
I would go with Fargo or Sioux Falls getting service before Duluth and Rochester (MN) if Southwest ever decides to expand in the upper Midwest


Here are the top 10 airports in IL/IN/IA/KS/MI/MN/MO/NE/ND/OH/SD/WI without WN service:
MSN - 2328717
DAY - 1695915 (previously served by WN)
CID - 1345896
SGF - 1171391 (WN previously served nearby BKG)
FSD - 1159843
FAR - 959605
SBN - 832698
CAK - 815067 (previously served by WN)
FWA - 803583
ATW - 769294
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Mon Apr 26, 2021 6:52 pm

FWIW, I've checked the "route map" feature on southwest.com and it is not yet updated with the adds which have been mentioned here, thus far.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Mon Apr 26, 2021 7:05 pm

SteveXC500 wrote:
FWIW, I've checked the "route map" feature on southwest.com and it is not yet updated with the adds which have been mentioned here, thus far.


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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Mon Apr 26, 2021 7:40 pm

wnflyguy wrote:
Wneast wrote:
wnflyguy wrote:
So far no Hawaii expansion.
And most of the adds are only from Jun 6-June 12 ???
I'm going to guess this randomness of a Swiss cheese schedule hasn't fully updated yet.

It seems like WN hired F9 or at least stole their dart board for all these random adds.
My condolences to anyone trying to figure out WTF WN is up to anymore. I'm the biggest fan ever and ever I'm getting spent.

Flyguy

Is it possible maybe that they could be waiting for a press release or something?

I've reached out to some reliable sources and WN friends and there all in the same agreement of WTF?
Last night everyone was thinking this has to be the long talked about Hawaii expansion. But now it's seems to be the random system additions.
Maybe there going to add Hawaii on June 10 with flights starting in July? Who knows at this point definitely not me.

Flyguy


I don’t know who your reliable sources are but they should know not to expect an announcement before MAX ETOPS certification is officially received if in fact the anticipated expansion is contingent on the MAX.

wnflyguy wrote:
Wneast wrote:
Is there a actually a announcement happening ? I’m not seeing anything

Well if a Hawaii announcement is part of the schedule increase it's only 08:30 in the morning in Hawaii so ???

It's definitely a bazaar day for the summer schedule increase a bunch of random adds with no announcements??

Flyguy


Hawaii usually wakes up to things already being announced.
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Mon Apr 26, 2021 7:43 pm

Silver1SWA wrote:
wnflyguy wrote:
Wneast wrote:
Is it possible maybe that they could be waiting for a press release or something?

I've reached out to some reliable sources and WN friends and there all in the same agreement of WTF?
Last night everyone was thinking this has to be the long talked about Hawaii expansion. But now it's seems to be the random system additions.
Maybe there going to add Hawaii on June 10 with flights starting in July? Who knows at this point definitely not me.

Flyguy


I don’t know who your reliable sources are but they should know not to expect an announcement before MAX ETOPS certification is officially received if in fact the anticipated expansion is contingent on the MAX.

wnflyguy wrote:
Wneast wrote:
Is there a actually a announcement happening ? I’m not seeing anything

Well if a Hawaii announcement is part of the schedule increase it's only 08:30 in the morning in Hawaii so ???

It's definitely a bazaar day for the summer schedule increase a bunch of random adds with no announcements??

Flyguy


Hawaii usually wakes up to things already being announced.

It just doesn’t make sense why they added this stuff though and there’s no announcement maybe they have more coming who knows
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Mon Apr 26, 2021 8:28 pm

Wneast wrote:
Silver1SWA wrote:
wnflyguy wrote:
I've reached out to some reliable sources and WN friends and there all in the same agreement of WTF?
Last night everyone was thinking this has to be the long talked about Hawaii expansion. But now it's seems to be the random system additions.
Maybe there going to add Hawaii on June 10 with flights starting in July? Who knows at this point definitely not me.

Flyguy


I don’t know who your reliable sources are but they should know not to expect an announcement before MAX ETOPS certification is officially received if in fact the anticipated expansion is contingent on the MAX.

wnflyguy wrote:
Well if a Hawaii announcement is part of the schedule increase it's only 08:30 in the morning in Hawaii so ???

It's definitely a bazaar day for the summer schedule increase a bunch of random adds with no announcements??

Flyguy


Hawaii usually wakes up to things already being announced.

It just doesn’t make sense why they added this stuff though and there’s no announcement maybe they have more coming who knows


As Midwestindy mentioned earlier, they're likely repeating the process they used for the May schedule. One night they added new routes like STL-MIA for the first week of May and gradually loaded each week the following nights.

Then, on the Thursday of that week (March 25), they loaded several other routes including the ten destinations from MYR and published the press release in the morning for all the new routes.
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Mon Apr 26, 2021 8:30 pm

Ishrion wrote:
Wneast wrote:
Silver1SWA wrote:

I don’t know who your reliable sources are but they should know not to expect an announcement before MAX ETOPS certification is officially received if in fact the anticipated expansion is contingent on the MAX.



Hawaii usually wakes up to things already being announced.

It just doesn’t make sense why they added this stuff though and there’s no announcement maybe they have more coming who knows


As Midwestindy mentioned earlier, they're likely repeating the process they used for the May schedule. One night they added new routes like STL-MIA for the first week of May and gradually loaded each week the following nights.

Then, on the Thursday of that week (March 25), they loaded several other routes including the ten destinations from MYR and published the press release in the morning for all the new routes.

So the Hawaii could be coming on the Thursday press release or loaded later haven’t heard if the etops is going to get signed off this week ?
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Mon Apr 26, 2021 8:41 pm

[/quote]
It just doesn’t make sense why they added this stuff though and there’s no announcement maybe they have more coming who knows[/quote]

Who even said that there would be an announcement? One of another poster's horribly innacurate "sources"? As previously mentioned, the MAX isn't even certified for ETOPS yet. Look at the facts first instead of dangling from the end of a fishing hook.
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Mon Apr 26, 2021 10:00 pm

Some routes I have seen added recently.
JAN - MCO
IAH - TPA
ORD - FLL
DEN - SAV
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Mon Apr 26, 2021 10:22 pm

Extended forward another week
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Mon Apr 26, 2021 11:13 pm

SteveXC500 wrote:
FWIW, I've checked the "route map" feature on southwest.com and it is not yet updated with the adds which have been mentioned here, thus far.


It usually doesn’t update until they get the entire load done. Probably will update Thursday or Friday since they are only doing a week at a time.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Mon Apr 26, 2021 11:34 pm

Found 1x weekly OMA-TPA and daily MCO-OMA
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Mon Apr 26, 2021 11:50 pm

BA744PHX wrote:
wnflyguy wrote:
DTH has an new service announcement around the same time today I believe.
It's a very summer time outdoors adventurous part of Minnesota wouldn't that be funny if WN added 2 daily flights 1 DEN and 1 MDW.

Flyguy

Both DTH & RST have announcements tomorrow. Could be interesting if WN!


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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Mon Apr 26, 2021 11:58 pm

The schedule is being loaded 1 week at a time on consecutive days. It’s not a s*******w, it’s how they’ve planned it with all of the additional revenue sources to monitor as it’s being rolled out.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Tue Apr 27, 2021 12:08 am

It looks like Saturday June 12 took the biggest hit. We were flying BUR-LAS-DSM, and while still there, it's now 5 hours earlier and they cut DEN-DSM on the 12th. You can't even do LAX-DSM on the 12th right now.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Tue Apr 27, 2021 12:54 am

Anyone seeing many more adds right now ?
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Tue Apr 27, 2021 1:06 am

joeljack wrote:
Found 1x weekly OMA-TPA and daily MCO-OMA


Found OMA-BNA too, 1x weekly on Sundays.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Tue Apr 27, 2021 1:12 am

Flflyer83 wrote:
The schedule is being loaded 1 week at a time on consecutive days. It’s not a s*******w, it’s how they’ve planned it with all of the additional revenue sources to monitor as it’s being rolled out.

Just so I understand, are you saying they’ve loaded June 6-12 and 13-19 then 20-26 will load tomorrow and so on?
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Tue Apr 27, 2021 1:25 am

joeljack wrote:
joeljack wrote:
Found 1x weekly OMA-TPA and daily MCO-OMA


Found OMA-BNA too, 1x weekly on Sundays.


Pretty sure all of those were announced or ran pre-covid, not sure about OMA-TPA

OKCDCA wrote:
Flflyer83 wrote:
The schedule is being loaded 1 week at a time on consecutive days. It’s not a s*******w, it’s how they’ve planned it with all of the additional revenue sources to monitor as it’s being rolled out.

Just so I understand, are you saying they’ve loaded June 6-12 and 13-19 then 20-26 will load tomorrow and so on?


Yes, see post #1268
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Tue Apr 27, 2021 1:29 am

Midwestindy wrote:
joeljack wrote:
joeljack wrote:
Found 1x weekly OMA-TPA and daily MCO-OMA


Found OMA-BNA too, 1x weekly on Sundays.


Pretty sure all of those were announced or ran pre-covid, not sure about OMA-TPA

OKCDCA wrote:
Flflyer83 wrote:
The schedule is being loaded 1 week at a time on consecutive days. It’s not a s*******w, it’s how they’ve planned it with all of the additional revenue sources to monitor as it’s being rolled out.

Just so I understand, are you saying they’ve loaded June 6-12 and 13-19 then 20-26 will load tomorrow and so on?


Yes, see post #1268


OMA-TPA Sat only has been tried before. 2019 I think along with RIC.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Tue Apr 27, 2021 2:25 am

FLYKTPA wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
joeljack wrote:

Found OMA-BNA too, 1x weekly on Sundays.


Pretty sure all of those were announced or ran pre-covid, not sure about OMA-TPA

OKCDCA wrote:
Just so I understand, are you saying they’ve loaded June 6-12 and 13-19 then 20-26 will load tomorrow and so on?


Yes, see post #1268


OMA-TPA Sat only has been tried before. 2019 I think along with RIC.


Yes, OMA-TPA has been tried before. Bad times killed it then.

OMA-BNA operated pre-covid for a year or so at a combination of Sunday only and Daily. It hadn't shown as coming back at all until now, Sunday only. Good flight times.

OMA-MCO hasn't been daily for awhile. It was a few different times but bad times killed it off after early success and good flight times. Right now, it is a 5pm OMA-MCO flight, not great. The MCO-OMA flight time should work well though.

Only thing isn't back is OMA-SAN. Once again, terrible flight times killed this route off. Alaska had great flight times when they flew it before WN ran them away. 9am SAN-OMA and 2pm OMA-SAN. Flights were full.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Tue Apr 27, 2021 2:43 am

joeljack wrote:
FLYKTPA wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:

Pretty sure all of those were announced or ran pre-covid, not sure about OMA-TPA



Yes, see post #1268


OMA-TPA Sat only has been tried before. 2019 I think along with RIC.


Yes, OMA-TPA has been tried before. Bad times killed it then.

OMA-BNA operated pre-covid for a year or so at a combination of Sunday only and Daily. It hadn't shown as coming back at all until now, Sunday only. Good flight times.

OMA-MCO hasn't been daily for awhile. It was a few different times but bad times killed it off after early success and good flight times. Right now, it is a 5pm OMA-MCO flight, not great. The MCO-OMA flight time should work well though.

Only thing isn't back is OMA-SAN. Once again, terrible flight times killed this route off. Alaska had great flight times when they flew it before WN ran them away. 9am SAN-OMA and 2pm OMA-SAN. Flights were full.


Worked the BNA-OMA flights quite a bit. They did well.
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Tue Apr 27, 2021 11:57 am

Have the final schedules for June been uploaded?

If they have, it seems SAT and FLL loose the FLL-SAT nonstop. Another opportunity for B6?
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Tue Apr 27, 2021 12:04 pm

Fly123123 wrote:
Have the final schedules for June been uploaded?

If they have, it seems SAT and FLL loose the FLL-SAT nonstop. Another opportunity for B6?

As of this morning it's updated until June 19th.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Tue Apr 27, 2021 1:44 pm

Fly123123 wrote:
Have the final schedules for June been uploaded?

If they have, it seems SAT and FLL loose the FLL-SAT nonstop. Another opportunity for B6?


SAT-FLL is in the June schedule....
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Tue Apr 27, 2021 2:02 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
Fly123123 wrote:
Have the final schedules for June been uploaded?

If they have, it seems SAT and FLL loose the FLL-SAT nonstop. Another opportunity for B6?


SAT-FLL is in the June schedule....


Thank you. You are right. Service has been reduced from daily to Sa and Su only.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Tue Apr 27, 2021 2:10 pm

Fly123123 wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
Fly123123 wrote:
Have the final schedules for June been uploaded?

If they have, it seems SAT and FLL loose the FLL-SAT nonstop. Another opportunity for B6?


SAT-FLL is in the June schedule....


Thank you. You are right. Service has been reduced from daily to Sa and Su only.

SAT-FLL was reduced to Weekend only service with a bunch of other markets since last Fall because of the pandemic and lack of cuisine ship traffic.

But if you listen to the B6 fans they will swear WN is losing to B6 and retreating from FLL. When all WN did was scale down to meet that new demand that's now less with no Business traffic or lucrative Cruise ships traffic. FLL doubles its S/Su flight schedule vs the current slower M-F.
The Cruise ship industry is currently in the final stages with the CDC to approve Only fully vaccinated passengers for travel. Once everything is completed there hoping to resume sailing by July or Aug.
Then you will see Everyone including WN return mid week flying.

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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Tue Apr 27, 2021 2:36 pm

Well a lot more Adds are showing up this morning in the system.
Definitely going after that point to point leisure traffic while defending against the invasion from the competition.
Still no Hawaii expansion I'm sure I will get more flack from it.
Hopefully that full schedule will load up soon.

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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Tue Apr 27, 2021 2:54 pm

wnflyguy wrote:
Fly123123 wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:

SAT-FLL is in the June schedule....


Thank you. You are right. Service has been reduced from daily to Sa and Su only.

SAT-FLL was reduced to Weekend only service with a bunch of other markets since last Fall because of the pandemic and lack of cuisine ship traffic.

But if you listen to the B6 fans they will swear WN is losing to B6 and retreating from FLL. When all WN did was scale down to meet that new demand that's now less with no Business traffic or lucrative Cruise ships traffic. FLL doubles its S/Su flight schedule vs the current slower M-F.
The Cruise ship industry is currently in the final stages with the CDC to approve Only fully vaccinated passengers for travel. Once everything is completed there hoping to resume sailing by July or Aug.
Then you will see Everyone including WN return mid week flying.

Flyguy


That's the reality. Take a look at how many flights NK and B6 are operating for June out of FLL. Keep up with the excuses.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Tue Apr 27, 2021 2:57 pm

Disappointed to not see any COS adds after all the talk about a quick expansion when flights started…
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Tue Apr 27, 2021 4:06 pm

Wneast wrote:
MDW to GEG
BOI to MDW


I am not surprised to see WN re-add MDW-BOI/GEG nonstop service as WN was able to make MDW-BOI/GEG nonstop service work on a summer seasonal basis in the past. There are also connecting opportunities available at MDW on WN to some East Coast airports that WN doesn't currently serve nonstop from DEN.

While WN hasn't yet re-added MDW-GSP/TUL nonstop service, I had previously mentioned the possibility of WN re-adding MDW-GSP/TUL nonstop service on at least a summer seasonal basis as demand was there for WN MDW-GSP/TUL nonstop service in Summer 2015 with the load factors that WN was getting on MDW-GSP/TUL in Summer 2015.

Here were the load factors for WN MDW-GSP/TUL nonstop service in Summer 2015:
MDW-GSP in Summer 2015 - 81.06%
MDW-TUL in Summer 2015 - 88.56%

WN re-adding MDW-GSP/TUL nonstop service would also provide travelers in both the GSP and TUL markets with access to more of the WN network as there are connecting opportunities available at MDW on WN that aren't available at ATL or STL on WN.

WN also has a FF base in the Tulsa market in addition to the Chicago market to support the return of MDW-TUL nonstop service on WN, and WN still has over 30% market share out of TUL.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Tue Apr 27, 2021 4:07 pm

OKCDCA wrote:
Disappointed to not see any COS adds after all the talk about a quick expansion when flights started…


Well of course the airline and airport ae going to say overly positive and fanciful things at start-up. Certainly aren't going to say "We expect to stay stagnant and
content with our current offerings."

I'd wait a bit after beginning to expect a build up as alluded to by those entities, IMO.

Like all of the 'future FAT flights for WN' stuff. If they are over 6 flights in 8 months, I would be amazed.
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Tue Apr 27, 2021 4:31 pm

OKCDCA wrote:
Flflyer83 wrote:
The schedule is being loaded 1 week at a time on consecutive days. It’s not a s*******w, it’s how they’ve planned it with all of the additional revenue sources to monitor as it’s being rolled out.

Just so I understand, are you saying they’ve loaded June 6-12 and 13-19 then 20-26 will load tomorrow and so on?


Well, I take back my previous post. I was relying on a Google Flights search which is clearly not currently in sync with Southwest schedule updates. It looks like these loads are indeed going forward now with schedule updated through June 19th at this point.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Tue Apr 27, 2021 4:41 pm

umichman wrote:
OKCDCA wrote:
Flflyer83 wrote:
The schedule is being loaded 1 week at a time on consecutive days. It’s not a s*******w, it’s how they’ve planned it with all of the additional revenue sources to monitor as it’s being rolled out.

Just so I understand, are you saying they’ve loaded June 6-12 and 13-19 then 20-26 will load tomorrow and so on?


Well, I take back my previous post. I was relying on a Google Flights search which is clearly not currently in sync with Southwest schedule updates. It looks like these loads are indeed going forward now with schedule updated through June 19th at this point.

It usually takes about a week for Google Flights to sync WN's schedule updates.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Tue Apr 27, 2021 4:55 pm

wnflyguy wrote:
Fly123123 wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:

SAT-FLL is in the June schedule....


Thank you. You are right. Service has been reduced from daily to Sa and Su only.

SAT-FLL was reduced to Weekend only service with a bunch of other markets since last Fall because of the pandemic and lack of cuisine ship traffic.

But if you listen to the B6 fans they will swear WN is losing to B6 and retreating from FLL. When all WN did was scale down to meet that new demand that's now less with no Business traffic or lucrative Cruise ships traffic. FLL doubles its S/Su flight schedule vs the current slower M-F.
The Cruise ship industry is currently in the final stages with the CDC to approve Only fully vaccinated passengers for travel. Once everything is completed there hoping to resume sailing by July or Aug.
Then you will see Everyone including WN return mid week flying.

Flyguy


JetBlue and Spirit and others don’t have that issue. They are all flying midweek schedules. Spirit and JetBlue pretty close to 100% of their domestic flying pre-COVID. AA out of Miami is flying more than 100% of their domestic schedule per-COVID. South Florida domestic demand is through the roof and cruise ships aren’t even back.
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Tue Apr 27, 2021 5:24 pm

MAH4546 wrote:

JetBlue and Spirit and others don’t have that issue. They are all flying midweek schedules. Spirit and JetBlue pretty close to 100% of their domestic flying pre-COVID. AA out of Miami is flying more than 100% of their domestic schedule per-COVID. South Florida domestic demand is through the roof and cruise ships aren’t even back.


Not only that. WN cannot add destinations to MIA fast enough. Looks like they are going for a more balanced approach in south Florida. Would you be shocked if they are running 50 flights a day out of MIA in a year or 2? I wouldn't.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Tue Apr 27, 2021 5:26 pm

MAH4546 wrote:
wnflyguy wrote:
Fly123123 wrote:

Thank you. You are right. Service has been reduced from daily to Sa and Su only.

SAT-FLL was reduced to Weekend only service with a bunch of other markets since last Fall because of the pandemic and lack of cuisine ship traffic.

But if you listen to the B6 fans they will swear WN is losing to B6 and retreating from FLL. When all WN did was scale down to meet that new demand that's now less with no Business traffic or lucrative Cruise ships traffic. FLL doubles its S/Su flight schedule vs the current slower M-F.
The Cruise ship industry is currently in the final stages with the CDC to approve Only fully vaccinated passengers for travel. Once everything is completed there hoping to resume sailing by July or Aug.
Then you will see Everyone including WN return mid week flying.

Flyguy


JetBlue and Spirit and others don’t have that issue. They are all flying midweek schedules. Spirit and JetBlue pretty close to 100% of their domestic flying pre-COVID. AA out of Miami is flying more than 100% of their domestic schedule per-COVID. South Florida domestic demand is through the roof and cruise ships aren’t even back.


WN was weak in FLL even before the pandemic. I really think WN could have been more aggressive in pursuing market share in all of FL but it is now saturated with LCC competition. No choice but to focus on the west coast and Hawaii.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Tue Apr 27, 2021 5:27 pm

tphuang wrote:
MAH4546 wrote:

JetBlue and Spirit and others don’t have that issue. They are all flying midweek schedules. Spirit and JetBlue pretty close to 100% of their domestic flying pre-COVID. AA out of Miami is flying more than 100% of their domestic schedule per-COVID. South Florida domestic demand is through the roof and cruise ships aren’t even back.


Not only that. WN cannot add destinations to MIA fast enough. Looks like they are going for a more balanced approach in south Florida. Would you be shocked if they are running 50 flights a day out of MIA in a year or 2? I wouldn't.

Did you see I’m seeing at least five new cities for MIA and SRQ both the seem to really be growing those cities SRQ is over twenty flights per day with the adds
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Tue Apr 27, 2021 5:46 pm

It looks like ORD is getting a bump in daily departures, from 16 to 22 flights a day. Friday 6/18 (new schedule) vs Friday 6/25 (current schedule).
DEN 6x (+2)
PHX 2x (+/-0)
LAS 1x (+/-0)
DAL 4x (+1)
BNA 4x (+1)
MCO 1x (+/-0)
BWI 4x (+2)

Sat Only
TPA 2x (+1)
RSW 1x
FLL 1x (New)
Living in LA, ORD/MDW will always be home!
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Tue Apr 27, 2021 6:14 pm

wnflyguy wrote:
Well a lot more Adds are showing up this morning in the system.
Definitely going after that point to point leisure traffic while defending against the invasion from the competition.
Still no Hawaii expansion I'm sure I will get more flack from it.
Hopefully that full schedule will load up soon.

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Flyguy

What are some adds you saw starting to show up this morning ?
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Tue Apr 27, 2021 7:23 pm

tphuang wrote:
MAH4546 wrote:

JetBlue and Spirit and others don’t have that issue. They are all flying midweek schedules. Spirit and JetBlue pretty close to 100% of their domestic flying pre-COVID. AA out of Miami is flying more than 100% of their domestic schedule per-COVID. South Florida domestic demand is through the roof and cruise ships aren’t even back.


Not only that. WN cannot add destinations to MIA fast enough. Looks like they are going for a more balanced approach in south Florida. Would you be shocked if they are running 50 flights a day out of MIA in a year or 2? I wouldn't.


Yup. Miami is the far more convenient and better airport in South Florida these days, unlike 15 years ago, and airlines are starting to fill that gap. It seems every week Southwest announces a new Miami route, and it's not even winter yet. I expect we will see plenty more added. I also heard they are applying (have applied?) to move FLLHAV to MIAHAV.
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Tue Apr 27, 2021 8:51 pm

sldispatcher wrote:
Forgive me for not following the thread closely, but the planned BNA growth with additional gates...that sounds like a lot of growth and connecting/hub activity potential throughout the deep south, Florida and the Midwest.
Not just in frequency increases or adds to existing WN stations, but whole new cities that might not have been considered before.


WN re-adding BNA-GSP nonstop service might be a possibility with the additional connecting opportunities that are now there at BNA with the BNA-BUR/ORD/DAL/IAH/MKE/MSP/OKC/SNA/SLC/SJC adds that had been made by WN in the last 7 years.

An article from the GoUpstate.com website (which can be found at https://www.goupstate.com/article/NC/20131219/News/605148046/SJ) said that "Southwest said about 50 percent of passengers using the Nashville [to GSP] flight are actually connecting to other flights for travel destinations beyond the Nashville hub. The change will give passengers departing from GSP greater travel options, the company said."

The approximate percentage of O&D and connecting passengers on WN BNA-GSP in 2013 based on the DOT Consumer Airfare Report and DOT T-100 data was 32.75% O&D and 67.25% connecting.

While WN had some connecting traffic on GSP-BWI/MDW/HOU nonstop flights in 2013, the PDEW's were higher on GSP-BWI/MDW/HOU on WN than on GSP-BNA on WN in 2013.

WN would also probably be willing to carry a higher percentage of connecting passengers on BNA-GSP than it did 8 years ago as WN carried an even higher percentage of connecting passengers on GSP-ATL in the last 5 years than it did on the GSP-BWI/MDW/HOU/BNA routes as over 98.6% of the passengers on WN ATL-GSP nonstop flights in 2019 were connecting to other destinations.

WN is probably more likely to re-add GSP-MDW than GSP-BNA since
(a) there are more connecting opportunities available through MDW on WN than available through BNA on WN,
(b) most of the destinations that WN serves nonstop from BNA but not ATL already have nonstop service to MDW on WN,
(c) WN carried more O&D passengers per day on GSP-MDW than on GSP-BNA in 2013, and
(d) WN able to connect passengers to BNA from GSP through ATL after adding BNA-ATL nonstop service in 2018.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Tue Apr 27, 2021 10:47 pm

FFS, do all WN possibilites have to hashed out? We know everything is a possibility, and everything is possible. The possibilities are endless, especially on here.
I'm missing the good ol' RIC-MDW days...
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Tue Apr 27, 2021 10:57 pm

sprxUSA wrote:
FFS, do all WN possibilites have to hashed out? We know everything is a possibility, and everything is possible. The possibilities are endless, especially on here.
I'm missing the good ol' RIC-MDW days...


I agree with your point….
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Tue Apr 27, 2021 11:05 pm

Has the June 20-26 routes started being loaded in yet ?
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Tue Apr 27, 2021 11:07 pm

delta777er wrote:
Some routes I have seen added recently.
JAN - MCO
IAH - TPA
ORD - FLL
DEN - SAV



With JAN-MCO does that bring back all the original JAN destinations from WN's previous service?
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Tue Apr 27, 2021 11:14 pm

Wneast wrote:
Has the June 20-26 routes started being loaded in yet ?


Yes
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