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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Fri Apr 30, 2021 3:43 am

Jshank83 wrote:
Schedule pushed thru July 10

Do you expect to see a press release tomorrow is it weird that we haven’t seen one or are they up to something or as someone said are they having difficulty with new system being implemented?
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Fri Apr 30, 2021 3:45 am

Wneast wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
Schedule pushed thru July 10

Do you expect to see a press release tomorrow is it weird that we haven’t seen one or are they up to something or as someone said are they having difficulty with new system being implemented?


Yes. I’d expect a release tomorrow.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Fri Apr 30, 2021 1:19 pm

MCI-LGA is still not resuming.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Fri Apr 30, 2021 1:55 pm

Well 3 years ago today WN announced it's intended service to the first 4 Hawaiian Destinations.
Will they repeat History later today and finish their ambitious Hawaii expansion?

Enjoy or Don't.
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Fri Apr 30, 2021 2:40 pm

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Well 3 years ago today WN announced it's intended service to the first 4 Hawaiian Destinations.
Will they repeat History later today and finish their ambitious Hawaii expansion?

Enjoy or Don't.
Flyguy

Are you hearing anything about what time we may see a press release today ?
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Fri Apr 30, 2021 2:56 pm

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Well 3 years ago today WN announced it's intended service to the first 4 Hawaiian Destinations.
Will they repeat History later today and finish their ambitious Hawaii expansion?

Enjoy or Don't.
Flyguy


Pretty sure it was four days ago, not today: https://www.swamedia.com/releases/relea ... ter-profit

"We continue to expect to begin selling tickets in 2018 for service to Hawaii, and today we announce our intent to begin service to four Hawaiian airports: Honolulu International Airport, Lihue Airport, Kona International Airport at Keahole, and Kahului Airport."
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Fri Apr 30, 2021 3:04 pm

Ishrion wrote:
wnflyguy wrote:
Well 3 years ago today WN announced it's intended service to the first 4 Hawaiian Destinations.
Will they repeat History later today and finish their ambitious Hawaii expansion?

Enjoy or Don't.
Flyguy


Pretty sure it was four days ago, not today: https://www.swamedia.com/releases/relea ... ter-profit

"We continue to expect to begin selling tickets in 2018 for service to Hawaii, and today we announce our intent to begin service to four Hawaiian airports: Honolulu International Airport, Lihue Airport, Kona International Airport at Keahole, and Kahului Airport."


or maybe it was May 3, 2018 when they announced their initial intentions
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Fri Apr 30, 2021 3:11 pm

evank516 wrote:
MCI-LGA is still not resuming.


I don't see the planned BWI-LGA either.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Fri Apr 30, 2021 3:18 pm

bpat777 wrote:
evank516 wrote:
MCI-LGA is still not resuming.


I don't see the planned BWI-LGA either.


Yeah I noticed that as well.
 
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Fri Apr 30, 2021 3:20 pm

 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Fri Apr 30, 2021 3:27 pm

Ishrion wrote:

It did say stay tuned for another announcement coming soon so that’s talking about Hawaii most likely
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Fri Apr 30, 2021 3:35 pm

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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Fri Apr 30, 2021 3:35 pm

Here is the route announcement listing the adds that WN has made to its Summer 2021 schedule:
https://community.southwest.com/t5/Blog/Summer-travel-is-right-around-the-corner/ba-p/119700
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Fri Apr 30, 2021 4:06 pm

Interesting!
The Northeast including ALB, BDL, BOS, DCA, ISP, LGA, MHT, PHL, PVD, PWM, ROC collectively received absolutely nothing new route-wise. In fact, it appears that BWI took quite a trim with daily flights to most Northeastern location being reduced. Hubbing banks that ran 5-7 dailies in 2019 are running x3 in June. On the other hand, BWI, BUF, and IAD did each receive one seasonal saturday only flight.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Fri Apr 30, 2021 4:35 pm

LGB is actually go from the original 35 scheduled flights down to 24 scheduled flights.
Which is basically an extension of the current schedule.

LGB peeps are still saying more Hawaii is coming from LGB.
The new revision LGB has a daily 737-700 LAS turn where the inbound flight lands at 08:35 and sits around all day until the outbound departs at 21:05.
They are hearing that once the MAX8 Etops certification get approved this flight will upgrade to the MAX8E and the flight will do weekly 4 KOA,3 LIH split schedule.

High hopes
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Fri Apr 30, 2021 6:19 pm

LotsaRunway wrote:
Interesting!
The Northeast including ALB, BDL, BOS, DCA, ISP, LGA, MHT, PHL, PVD, PWM, ROC collectively received absolutely nothing new route-wise. In fact, it appears that BWI took quite a trim with daily flights to most Northeastern location being reduced. Hubbing banks that ran 5-7 dailies in 2019 are running x3 in June. On the other hand, BWI, BUF, and IAD did each receive one seasonal saturday only flight.


That’s cause WN has continuously dropped the ball on the Northeast.
 
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Southwest's Top Ten Connecting Airports

Fri Apr 30, 2021 7:09 pm

https://simpleflying.com/southwest-transit-passengers/

1. Denver
2, Baltimore
3. Chicago Midway
4, Dallas Love
5, Las Vegas
6. Houston Hobby
7. Phoenix
8. Nashville
9. Atlanta
10. St Louis

Ran across a relatively informative article on Simple Flying (yes, I know) that has some other interesting statistics such as:

Connecting traffic percentages
2019 38%
2020 55%

Shows what 2 years and a pandemic can do to one carrier's network strategy.
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Re: Southwest's Top Ten Connecting Airports

Fri Apr 30, 2021 7:33 pm

OzarkD9S wrote:
https://simpleflying.com/southwest-transit-passengers/

1. Denver
2, Baltimore
3. Chicago Midway
4, Dallas Love
5, Las Vegas
6. Houston Hobby
7. Phoenix
8. Nashville
9. Atlanta
10. St Louis

Ran across a relatively informative article on Simple Flying (yes, I know) that has some other interesting statistics such as:

Connecting traffic percentages
2019 38%
2020 55%

Shows what 2 years and a pandemic can do to one carrier's network strategy.


I am misinformed I guess, it seems odd Oakland is not on this list, just my opinion I guess.
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Re: Southwest's Top Ten Connecting Airports

Fri Apr 30, 2021 7:38 pm

OzarkD9S wrote:
https://simpleflying.com/southwest-transit-passengers/

1. Denver
2, Baltimore
3. Chicago Midway
4, Dallas Love
5, Las Vegas
6. Houston Hobby
7. Phoenix
8. Nashville
9. Atlanta
10. St Louis

Ran across a relatively informative article on Simple Flying (yes, I know) that has some other interesting statistics such as:

Connecting traffic percentages
2019 38%
2020 55%

Shows what 2 years and a pandemic can do to one carrier's network strategy.


1. Surprised LAS is as high as it is. I would have thought that was more of an O&D station. I would have thought PHX would be higher.

2. Wouldn't be surprised to see BNA move up to the top 5 someday.
 
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Re: Southwest's Top Ten Connecting Airports

Fri Apr 30, 2021 7:59 pm

I guess WN operates hubs after all. Wonder if the fact that the majority of their passengers are now connecting will change their internal use of terms like hub and spoke?

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Re: Southwest's Top Ten Connecting Airports

Fri Apr 30, 2021 8:04 pm

RWA380 wrote:
OzarkD9S wrote:
https://simpleflying.com/southwest-transit-passengers/

1. Denver
2, Baltimore
3. Chicago Midway
4, Dallas Love
5, Las Vegas
6. Houston Hobby
7. Phoenix
8. Nashville
9. Atlanta
10. St Louis

Ran across a relatively informative article on Simple Flying (yes, I know) that has some other interesting statistics such as:

Connecting traffic percentages
2019 38%
2020 55%

Shows what 2 years and a pandemic can do to one carrier's network strategy.


I am misinformed I guess, it seems odd Oakland is not on this list, just my opinion I guess.


The "problem" with OAK is that it's poorly-located for east-west connections. It can handle SoCal-Northwest just fine but that's more of a niche flow than you see at places like HOU or DEN that can quite literally send folks in all directions. I fly WN a ton, including to the west coast, and I think I've connected at OAK once (on BNA-SNA when going to SNA helped me a lot logistically over an LAX nonstop).
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Re: Southwest's Top Ten Connecting Airports

Fri Apr 30, 2021 8:22 pm

SESGDL wrote:
I guess WN operates hubs after all. Wonder if the fact that the majority of their passengers are now connecting will change their internal use of terms like hub and spoke?

Jeremy


That bump is probably short lived due the pandemic. As the get back to previous levels that will drop off again I'm sure. There just isn't the demand to run all of the point to point ones right now, so for financial reasons, more connections happen.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Fri Apr 30, 2021 9:09 pm

LotsaRunway wrote:
Interesting!
The Northeast including ALB, BDL, BOS, DCA, ISP, LGA, MHT, PHL, PVD, PWM, ROC collectively received absolutely nothing new route-wise. In fact, it appears that BWI took quite a trim with daily flights to most Northeastern location being reduced. Hubbing banks that ran 5-7 dailies in 2019 are running x3 in June. On the other hand, BWI, BUF, and IAD did each receive one seasonal saturday only flight.


The focus with these adds seems to be the west coast, Midwest-West Coast, and Midwest-Florida.
Next flights:
Who knows? :/
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Fri Apr 30, 2021 9:35 pm

maps4ltd wrote:
LotsaRunway wrote:
Interesting!
The Northeast including ALB, BDL, BOS, DCA, ISP, LGA, MHT, PHL, PVD, PWM, ROC collectively received absolutely nothing new route-wise. In fact, it appears that BWI took quite a trim with daily flights to most Northeastern location being reduced. Hubbing banks that ran 5-7 dailies in 2019 are running x3 in June. On the other hand, BWI, BUF, and IAD did each receive one seasonal saturday only flight.


The focus with these adds seems to be the west coast, Midwest-West Coast, and Midwest-Florida.


Midwest excluding MSP…and probably some others obviously.
 
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Re: Southwest's Top Ten Connecting Airports

Fri Apr 30, 2021 9:42 pm

Runway765 wrote:
OzarkD9S wrote:
https://simpleflying.com/southwest-transit-passengers/

1. Denver
2, Baltimore
3. Chicago Midway
4, Dallas Love
5, Las Vegas
6. Houston Hobby
7. Phoenix
8. Nashville
9. Atlanta
10. St Louis

Ran across a relatively informative article on Simple Flying (yes, I know) that has some other interesting statistics such as:

Connecting traffic percentages
2019 38%
2020 55%

Shows what 2 years and a pandemic can do to one carrier's network strategy.


1. Surprised LAS is as high as it is. I would have thought that was more of an O&D station. I would have thought PHX would be higher.

2. Wouldn't be surprised to see BNA move up to the top 5 someday.


PHX will change when Southwest's new 8 gate concourse opens up end of this year/beginning of next year.
 
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Re: Southwest's Top Ten Connecting Airports

Fri Apr 30, 2021 9:52 pm

No data source was cited. And people wonder why Simple Flying is mocked in this forum.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Fri Apr 30, 2021 10:01 pm

Note in release they left off 'h' in PIT. And 2 different lists for service eff 6/6? Seems odd IMO.
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Re: Southwest's Top Ten Connecting Airports

Fri Apr 30, 2021 10:07 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
No data source was cited. And people wonder why Simple Flying is mocked in this forum.


I've complained about their poor writing several times. But admittedly, I find myself checking the site out (akin to looking at a car accident as you drive by.)
 
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Re: Southwest's Top Ten Connecting Airports

Fri Apr 30, 2021 10:11 pm

Cubsrule wrote:
RWA380 wrote:
OzarkD9S wrote:
https://simpleflying.com/southwest-transit-passengers/

1. Denver
2, Baltimore
3. Chicago Midway
4, Dallas Love
5, Las Vegas
6. Houston Hobby
7. Phoenix
8. Nashville
9. Atlanta
10. St Louis

Ran across a relatively informative article on Simple Flying (yes, I know) that has some other interesting statistics such as:

Connecting traffic percentages
2019 38%
2020 55%

Shows what 2 years and a pandemic can do to one carrier's network strategy.


I am misinformed I guess, it seems odd Oakland is not on this list, just my opinion I guess.


The "problem" with OAK is that it's poorly-located for east-west connections. It can handle SoCal-Northwest just fine but that's more of a niche flow than you see at places like HOU or DEN that can quite literally send folks in all directions. I fly WN a ton, including to the west coast, and I think I've connected at OAK once (on BNA-SNA when going to SNA helped me a lot logistically over an LAX nonstop).


Um, you can say the exact same thing for BWI. It's terrible from a geographic location for connections for anything but up and down the East coast, yet somehow Southwest really makes it work from a connecting stand point. Why OAK isn't on the list, I don't know, but it certainly isn't only due to location because if it were, Baltimore wouldn't be on the list either.
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Re: Southwest's Top Ten Connecting Airports

Fri Apr 30, 2021 10:20 pm

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Um, you can say the exact same thing for BWI. It's terrible from a geographic location for connections for anything but up and down the East coast, yet somehow Southwest really makes it work from a connecting stand point. Why OAK isn't on the list, I don't know, but it certainly isn't only due to location because if it were, Baltimore wouldn't be on the list either.


The population density on the Eastern Seaboard is far larger than on the West Coast. That, and many more decent sized markets which can funnel traffic through BWI.
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Fri Apr 30, 2021 10:41 pm

Looks like ALB lost a BWI flight and a MDW flight. Still no sign of return for FLL or RSW. However with BUF getting RSW back this gives me hope for RSW to return to ALB for the next winter season.
 
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Re: Southwest's Top Ten Connecting Airports

Fri Apr 30, 2021 10:51 pm

OzarkD9S wrote:
FriscoHeavy wrote:

Um, you can say the exact same thing for BWI. It's terrible from a geographic location for connections for anything but up and down the East coast, yet somehow Southwest really makes it work from a connecting stand point. Why OAK isn't on the list, I don't know, but it certainly isn't only due to location because if it were, Baltimore wouldn't be on the list either.


The population density on the Eastern Seaboard is far larger than on the West Coast. That, and many more decent sized markets which can funnel traffic through BWI.


This, and also BWI is pretty isolated from other WN hubs. While out of the way, it’s one the best hubs for stuff like RDU-DTW or MKE-JAX. OAK has LAS, LAX, and SAN all relatively nearby.
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Re: Southwest's Top Ten Connecting Airports

Sat May 01, 2021 12:03 am

Cubsrule wrote:
OzarkD9S wrote:
FriscoHeavy wrote:

Um, you can say the exact same thing for BWI. It's terrible from a geographic location for connections for anything but up and down the East coast, yet somehow Southwest really makes it work from a connecting stand point. Why OAK isn't on the list, I don't know, but it certainly isn't only due to location because if it were, Baltimore wouldn't be on the list either.


The population density on the Eastern Seaboard is far larger than on the West Coast. That, and many more decent sized markets which can funnel traffic through BWI.


This, and also BWI is pretty isolated from other WN hubs. While out of the way, it’s one the best hubs for stuff like RDU-DTW or MKE-JAX. OAK has LAS, LAX, and SAN all relatively nearby.


Actually, BNA is much better for both of those examples you gave.

What’s pretty telling is BWI has 36 gates, yet has only just over 200 flights a day according to the latest city fact sheet. That’s not even 6 turns a day. Even pre-pandemic, BWI wasn’t utilized by WN to the full extent it could be. It makes me question why they built those extra 5 gates on A.
 
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Re: Southwest's Top Ten Connecting Airports

Sat May 01, 2021 12:36 am

Runway765 wrote:
Cubsrule wrote:
OzarkD9S wrote:

The population density on the Eastern Seaboard is far larger than on the West Coast. That, and many more decent sized markets which can funnel traffic through BWI.


This, and also BWI is pretty isolated from other WN hubs. While out of the way, it’s one the best hubs for stuff like RDU-DTW or MKE-JAX. OAK has LAS, LAX, and SAN all relatively nearby.


Actually, BNA is much better for both of those examples you gave.

What’s pretty telling is BWI has 36 gates, yet has only just over 200 flights a day according to the latest city fact sheet. That’s not even 6 turns a day. Even pre-pandemic, BWI wasn’t utilized by WN to the full extent it could be. It makes me question why they built those extra 5 gates on A.


I really think they foresaw the Northeast operation panning out differently. They were definitely planning on BOS and EWR to grow much larger than they did. Not to mention their Caribbean growth has been somewhat stagnant since the AirTran merger. And BWI is a good transfer point to get pax to the Caribbean. However, there were too many better options for New Yorker's and Bostonian's to get down there than through BWI.

BWI is not exactly the wealthiest, and definitely not a massive business market considering the two major hubs already serving DC. WN does have a decent-sized operation at DCA on top of that. I also believe there is a bit of squatting in play there since gates and space in the majority of the Northeast airports are still very limited. What they do have is a great way to funnel folks from the west coast to smaller NE markets, and north/south traffic to Florida. And we all know there is an almost endless supply of folks going to/from Florida.
 
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Re: Southwest's Top Ten Connecting Airports

Sat May 01, 2021 12:53 am

WN732 wrote:
Runway765 wrote:
Cubsrule wrote:

This, and also BWI is pretty isolated from other WN hubs. While out of the way, it’s one the best hubs for stuff like RDU-DTW or MKE-JAX. OAK has LAS, LAX, and SAN all relatively nearby.


Actually, BNA is much better for both of those examples you gave.

What’s pretty telling is BWI has 36 gates, yet has only just over 200 flights a day according to the latest city fact sheet. That’s not even 6 turns a day. Even pre-pandemic, BWI wasn’t utilized by WN to the full extent it could be. It makes me question why they built those extra 5 gates on A.


I really think they foresaw the Northeast operation panning out differently. They were definitely planning on BOS and EWR to grow much larger than they did. Not to mention their Caribbean growth has been somewhat stagnant since the AirTran merger. And BWI is a good transfer point to get pax to the Caribbean. However, there were too many better options for New Yorker's and Bostonian's to get down there than through BWI.

BWI is not exactly the wealthiest, and definitely not a massive business market considering the two major hubs already serving DC. WN does have a decent-sized operation at DCA on top of that. I also believe there is a bit of squatting in play there since gates and space in the majority of the Northeast airports are still very limited. What they do have is a great way to funnel folks from the west coast to smaller NE markets, and north/south traffic to Florida. And we all know there is an almost endless supply of folks going to/from Florida.


Those are good points. WN really should give up the 6 gates on C if they aren’t going to be doing at least 8 turns a day. 30 gates would be enough for what they want to do in BWI.
 
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Re: Southwest's Top Ten Connecting Airports

Sat May 01, 2021 1:00 am

FriscoHeavy wrote:
Cubsrule wrote:
RWA380 wrote:

I am misinformed I guess, it seems odd Oakland is not on this list, just my opinion I guess.


The "problem" with OAK is that it's poorly-located for east-west connections. It can handle SoCal-Northwest just fine but that's more of a niche flow than you see at places like HOU or DEN that can quite literally send folks in all directions. I fly WN a ton, including to the west coast, and I think I've connected at OAK once (on BNA-SNA when going to SNA helped me a lot logistically over an LAX nonstop).


Um, you can say the exact same thing for BWI. It's terrible from a geographic location for connections for anything but up and down the East coast, yet somehow Southwest really makes it work from a connecting stand point. Why OAK isn't on the list, I don't know, but it certainly isn't only due to location because if it were, Baltimore wouldn't be on the list either.


BWI is actually pretty good for connections from the west to the northeast since Philadelphia, NYC, Boston, etc. are north and east of BWI. SAN-BWI-BOS is only 76 miles longer than a nonstop. Even SEA-BWI-BOS is only 208 extra miles. MIA-OAK-SEA is 531 miles out of the way.
 
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Re: Southwest's Top Ten Connecting Airports

Sat May 01, 2021 1:18 am

bloxomo wrote:
FriscoHeavy wrote:
Cubsrule wrote:

The "problem" with OAK is that it's poorly-located for east-west connections. It can handle SoCal-Northwest just fine but that's more of a niche flow than you see at places like HOU or DEN that can quite literally send folks in all directions. I fly WN a ton, including to the west coast, and I think I've connected at OAK once (on BNA-SNA when going to SNA helped me a lot logistically over an LAX nonstop).


Um, you can say the exact same thing for BWI. It's terrible from a geographic location for connections for anything but up and down the East coast, yet somehow Southwest really makes it work from a connecting stand point. Why OAK isn't on the list, I don't know, but it certainly isn't only due to location because if it were, Baltimore wouldn't be on the list either.


BWI is actually pretty good for connections from the west to the northeast since Philadelphia, NYC, Boston, etc. are north and east of BWI. SAN-BWI-BOS is only 76 miles longer than a nonstop. Even SEA-BWI-BOS is only 208 extra miles. MIA-OAK-SEA is 531 miles out of the way.


I has been thinking about the WN Hawaii operation, as OAK is the connecting point for much of that network. Since I lived in PDX, OAK was often the most logical connecting point often times. I usually would only fly WN if it were point to point, but would connect over OAK to get to Hawaii from EUG.

I was also thinking how EUG & SBA both, were connected to OAK, for the obvious onward opportunities. FAT was not. But LAS does offer quite a few options from the Pac NW as well. Just the shear number of flights out of OAK on WN I would think would put OAK further up the list.
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Sat May 01, 2021 1:58 am

bpat777 wrote:
evank516 wrote:
MCI-LGA is still not resuming.


I don't see the planned BWI-LGA either.


I think they were previously announced, but the start date kept on getting pushed back. The flights are available in early June
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Sat May 01, 2021 2:32 am

NJFlyer27 wrote:
bpat777 wrote:
evank516 wrote:
MCI-LGA is still not resuming.


I don't see the planned BWI-LGA either.


I think they were previously announced, but the start date kept on getting pushed back. The flights are available in early June

I checked the website for June 5th and June 25th and see no non-stop service between LGA-BWI.
 
KMCOFlyer
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Sat May 01, 2021 2:46 am

What’s the plan with WN ops at HNL once the Mauka concourse opens up? I’d assume some more jetway gates will open up (mostly B and C Gates) when HA moves operations into the new concourse. Moving to the B Gates seem like a perfect fit for WN (5 jetway Gates) and it’s on the “inter-island” side of the airport so local Inter-Island pax would no longer need to go through the AG checkpoints and they could use the portable AG checkpoints at the gate for any mainland departures like Hawaiian does today.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Sat May 01, 2021 3:20 am

More changes are coming. Currently, OAK-HNL, Flt. 808 on June 4 is showing a 737-700. Obviously, that is incorrect.
 
LAXLHR
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Re: Southwest's Top Ten Connecting Airports

Sat May 01, 2021 3:47 am

seatback wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
No data source was cited. And people wonder why Simple Flying is mocked in this forum.


I've complained about their poor writing several times. But admittedly, I find myself checking the site out (akin to looking at a car accident as you drive by.)


Same, its awful.

I truly believe its an AI from China.
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Re: Southwest's Top Ten Connecting Airports

Sat May 01, 2021 5:00 am

MIflyer12 wrote:
No data source was cited. And people wonder why Simple Flying is mocked in this forum.


Exactly what I was thinking! Simply says they looked at OAG data and don’t even show anything? These lists are nonsense.
 
B6BOSfan
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Re: Southwest's Top Ten Connecting Airports

Sat May 01, 2021 6:09 am

As someone who lives in Boston and has used Southwest a fair number of times during the pandemic, I feel like BWI really only gets used for North/South connections along the East Coast. I have found myself connecting in DEN, STL, MDW. I see BNA show up a lot as connecting options.

Someone made the point that Southwest probably had plans for bigger aspirations in the Northeast vs. what reality actually has been. I couldn't agree with that statement more. Their operations are probably nowhere near as big as they'd hope for in BOS, MHT, PVD just to name a few Boston metro airports. We continue to see schedule cuts, that makes connecting at more and more of the airports challenging to impossible -- shrinking network options.
 
NJFlyer27
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Sat May 01, 2021 11:03 am

bpat777 wrote:
NJFlyer27 wrote:
bpat777 wrote:

I don't see the planned BWI-LGA either.


I think they were previously announced, but the start date kept on getting pushed back. The flights are available in early June

I checked the website for June 5th and June 25th and see no non-stop service between LGA-BWI.


Looks like now the flights will start on July 11. However it could be delayed again or completely removed to add other flights. I hope they keep at least one flight to BWI for connections throughout the network.
 
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Re: Southwest's Top Ten Connecting Airports

Sat May 01, 2021 1:48 pm

RWA380 wrote:
bloxomo wrote:
FriscoHeavy wrote:

Um, you can say the exact same thing for BWI. It's terrible from a geographic location for connections for anything but up and down the East coast, yet somehow Southwest really makes it work from a connecting stand point. Why OAK isn't on the list, I don't know, but it certainly isn't only due to location because if it were, Baltimore wouldn't be on the list either.


BWI is actually pretty good for connections from the west to the northeast since Philadelphia, NYC, Boston, etc. are north and east of BWI. SAN-BWI-BOS is only 76 miles longer than a nonstop. Even SEA-BWI-BOS is only 208 extra miles. MIA-OAK-SEA is 531 miles out of the way.


I has been thinking about the WN Hawaii operation, as OAK is the connecting point for much of that network. Since I lived in PDX, OAK was often the most logical connecting point often times. I usually would only fly WN if it were point to point, but would connect over OAK to get to Hawaii from EUG.

I was also thinking how EUG & SBA both, were connected to OAK, for the obvious onward opportunities. FAT was not. But LAS does offer quite a few options from the Pac NW as well. Just the shear number of flights out of OAK on WN I would think would put OAK further up the list.


I imagine as we move out of pandemic times and WN builds up Hawaii flying, OAK may move onto this list. P2P routes will return and there’ll be less connecting over mid country airports.
 
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Re: Southwest's Top Ten Connecting Airports

Sat May 01, 2021 2:02 pm

chicawgo wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
No data source was cited. And people wonder why Simple Flying is mocked in this forum.


Exactly what I was thinking! Simply says they looked at OAG data and don’t even show anything? These lists are nonsense.

These are all WN focus cities so why would it be nonsense? What other WN cities would have more connections?
 
av8tiongeek
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Sat May 01, 2021 2:48 pm

Flflyer83 wrote:
More changes are coming. Currently, OAK-HNL, Flt. 808 on June 4 is showing a 737-700. Obviously, that is incorrect.


Southwest.com shows 737-800
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Sat May 01, 2021 3:09 pm

Could BHM-FLL come back?
Plane Spotter from the Magic City and Hartsfield-Jackson...(ATL)
 
Runway765
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Sat May 01, 2021 4:56 pm

LotsaRunway wrote:
Interesting!
The Northeast including ALB, BDL, BOS, DCA, ISP, LGA, MHT, PHL, PVD, PWM, ROC collectively received absolutely nothing new route-wise. In fact, it appears that BWI took quite a trim with daily flights to most Northeastern location being reduced. Hubbing banks that ran 5-7 dailies in 2019 are running x3 in June. On the other hand, BWI, BUF, and IAD did each receive one seasonal saturday only flight.


So they added more real estate at BWI only to cut their flight count? That doesn’t make sense.

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