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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Thu May 06, 2021 2:12 pm

I wish they'd add a business class and start assigning seats.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Thu May 06, 2021 2:34 pm

if these rumors of $50 one way fares to Hawaii are true ,
I pray folks don't crash WN's system next Monday.

We use swabiz all day everyday here at work LOL
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Thu May 06, 2021 4:02 pm

Is the max flying back from HNL today if so is it a different flight number ?
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Thu May 06, 2021 4:16 pm

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Is the max flying back from HNL today if so is it a different flight number ?


8725 with a 1230 (CST) departure
 
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Thu May 06, 2021 5:34 pm

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av8tiongeek wrote:
Wneast wrote:
Is the max flying back from HNL today if so is it a different flight number ?


8725 with a 1230 (CST) departure


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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Thu May 06, 2021 6:15 pm

Just took off. In the air now.
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Thu May 06, 2021 6:39 pm

SWADawg wrote:
Just took off. In the air now.

Do they just do HNL to DAL to go back to there headquarters or there any reason they are doing this routing ?
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Thu May 06, 2021 7:04 pm

Wneast wrote:
SWADawg wrote:
Just took off. In the air now.

Do they just do HNL to DAL to go back to there headquarters or there any reason they are doing this routing ?


They did the same thing on the initial ETOPS proving flights. I imagine there are hdq personnel onboard, and possibly FAA personnel from the dallas FSDO.

Not sure why but I’m tickled by the idea of a WN 737 flying HNL-DAL.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Thu May 06, 2021 7:11 pm

orlandocfi wrote:
Wneast wrote:
SWADawg wrote:
Just took off. In the air now.

Do they just do HNL to DAL to go back to there headquarters or there any reason they are doing this routing ?


They did the same thing on the initial ETOPS proving flights. I imagine there are hdq personnel onboard, and possibly FAA personnel from the dallas FSDO.

Not sure why but I’m tickled by the idea of a WN 737 flying HNL-DAL.

I could see that happening but more likely with the max 7 ?
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Thu May 06, 2021 7:22 pm

orlandocfi wrote:
Not sure why but I’m tickled by the idea of a WN 737 flying HNL-DAL.


So long as you don't expect it to be bi-directional. There are plenty of diversion points in the last three hours HNL-DAL. On DAL-HNL, not so much. AS had days with problems running 738s SEA-HNL non-stop, at 30% less distance than DAL-HNL, with ~sixteen fewer seats.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Thu May 06, 2021 7:27 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
orlandocfi wrote:
Not sure why but I’m tickled by the idea of a WN 737 flying HNL-DAL.


So long as you don't expect it to be bi-directional. There are plenty of diversion points in the last three hours HNL-DAL. On DAL-HNL, not so much. AS had days with problems running 738s SEA-HNL non-stop, at 30% less distance than DAL-HNL, with ~sixteen fewer seats.

Would they try HNL to DAL one way and on the way there they use the plane to do another route ?
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Thu May 06, 2021 7:31 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
orlandocfi wrote:
Not sure why but I’m tickled by the idea of a WN 737 flying HNL-DAL.


So long as you don't expect it to be bi-directional. There are plenty of diversion points in the last three hours HNL-DAL. On DAL-HNL, not so much. AS had days with problems running 738s SEA-HNL non-stop, at 30% less distance than DAL-HNL, with ~sixteen fewer seats.


The -7 has considerably longer legs than the 738, but I seriously doubt the economic viability of running a 150-seat all-economy jet on routes like this!
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Thu May 06, 2021 7:37 pm

orlandocfi wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
orlandocfi wrote:
Not sure why but I’m tickled by the idea of a WN 737 flying HNL-DAL.


So long as you don't expect it to be bi-directional. There are plenty of diversion points in the last three hours HNL-DAL. On DAL-HNL, not so much. AS had days with problems running 738s SEA-HNL non-stop, at 30% less distance than DAL-HNL, with ~sixteen fewer seats.


The -7 has considerably longer legs than the 738, but I seriously doubt the economic viability of running a 150-seat all-economy jet on routes like this!

You can’t anyway because of the Wright Amendment restrictions. No International flights and all Domestic flights have to be within the lower 48.
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Thu May 06, 2021 8:00 pm

orlandocfi wrote:
Wneast wrote:
SWADawg wrote:
Just took off. In the air now.

Do they just do HNL to DAL to go back to there headquarters or there any reason they are doing this routing ?


They did the same thing on the initial ETOPS proving flights. I imagine there are hdq personnel onboard, and possibly FAA personnel from the dallas FSDO.

Not sure why but I’m tickled by the idea of a WN 737 flying HNL-DAL.

Same As the original NG8 Etops certification the last Flight flew HNL-DAL. The following morning The Etops team from the FAA and WN will
Conduct a detailed round table debrief evaluation. If no further flights are required from the FAA they will proceed with giving WN its certification to operate the MAX8 ETOPS.
From my Understanding WN will do a Monday morning press release about the achievement of being approved for ETOPS flying with the MAX8.
Later that Morning GK and a few other will be holding a semi private Virtual meeting at 08:00 HST / 13:00 HERB. At 08:08 HST ( 808 is the area code for Hawaii) WN will release the new flights and destinations with a huge 50 TH anniversary fare sale.
Fares are expected to be as low as $50 each way on just the new flights and only available in June.
Some reliable sources are saying they're holding off the fare sale release this time until Mid afternoon Monday after receiving a HUGE back lash from their first flights sale release which left Most Hawaiians waking up to the news of WN introductory cheap Fares. But by the time they awoke in Hawaii to the news ALL seats were sold out while everyone was sleeping still in Hawaii.

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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Thu May 06, 2021 8:04 pm

WN732 wrote:
Being that HA is the states largest employer, and that Hawaiian culture is embedded within the company - you can bet that there will be tremendous pushback from the state of Hawaii.


6356 employees puts HA a distant fifth in the state as far as employers.

https://www.zippia.com/advice/largest-c ... in-hawaii/
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Thu May 06, 2021 8:33 pm

SWADawg wrote:
orlandocfi wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:

So long as you don't expect it to be bi-directional. There are plenty of diversion points in the last three hours HNL-DAL. On DAL-HNL, not so much. AS had days with problems running 738s SEA-HNL non-stop, at 30% less distance than DAL-HNL, with ~sixteen fewer seats.


The -7 has considerably longer legs than the 738, but I seriously doubt the economic viability of running a 150-seat all-economy jet on routes like this!

You can’t anyway because of the Wright Amendment restrictions. No International flights and all Domestic flights have to be within the lower 48.


Interesting I never knew there was still a restriction that they can only fly within the lower 48 from DAL and thought the only restriction was no INTL flights.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Thu May 06, 2021 8:51 pm

KMCOFlyer wrote:
SWADawg wrote:
orlandocfi wrote:

The -7 has considerably longer legs than the 738, but I seriously doubt the economic viability of running a 150-seat all-economy jet on routes like this!

You can’t anyway because of the Wright Amendment restrictions. No International flights and all Domestic flights have to be within the lower 48.


Interesting I never knew there was still a restriction that they can only fly within the lower 48 from DAL and thought the only restriction was no INTL flights.

I actually may be wrong on that. I’m pretty sure that Braniff operated a 747 to HNL out of DAL back in the day, so I may be confusing the International restrictions and lumping it in with Hawaii. If I’m mistaken, I’m sure I will be corrected.
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Thu May 06, 2021 9:11 pm

SWADawg wrote:
KMCOFlyer wrote:
SWADawg wrote:
You can’t anyway because of the Wright Amendment restrictions. No International flights and all Domestic flights have to be within the lower 48.


Interesting I never knew there was still a restriction that they can only fly within the lower 48 from DAL and thought the only restriction was no INTL flights.

I actually may be wrong on that. I’m pretty sure that Braniff operated a 747 to HNL out of DAL back in the day, so I may be confusing the International restrictions and lumping it in with Hawaii. If I’m mistaken, I’m sure I will be corrected.


Wright Amendment did end in 2014 so there should be no restrictions to HNL flights, if it ever becomes an option, that is!
 
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Thu May 06, 2021 9:13 pm

KMCOFlyer wrote:
SWADawg wrote:
You can’t anyway because of the Wright Amendment restrictions. No International flights and all Domestic flights have to be within the lower 48.


Interesting I never knew there was still a restriction that they can only fly within the lower 48 from DAL and thought the only restriction was no INTL flights.


Here is the text of Section 3 of the Wright Amendment Reform Act of 2006:
"No person shall provide, or offer to provide, air transportation of passengers for compensation or hire between Love Field, Texas, and any point or points outside the 50 States or the District of Columbia on a nonstop basis, and no official or employee of the Federal Government may take any action to make or designate Love Field as an initial point of entry into the United States or a last point of departure from the United States."

The Wright Amendment Reform Act of 2006 actually does allow nonstop flights to Hawaii from DAL since Hawaii is one of the 50 states. DAL to Hawaii nonstop flights would not fly over any foreign countries (even though such flights would fly over the Pacific Ocean in between California and Hawaii).
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Thu May 06, 2021 9:21 pm

orlandocfi wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
orlandocfi wrote:
Not sure why but I’m tickled by the idea of a WN 737 flying HNL-DAL.


So long as you don't expect it to be bi-directional. There are plenty of diversion points in the last three hours HNL-DAL. On DAL-HNL, not so much. AS had days with problems running 738s SEA-HNL non-stop, at 30% less distance than DAL-HNL, with ~sixteen fewer seats.


The -7 has considerably longer legs than the 738, but I seriously doubt the economic viability of running a 150-seat all-economy jet on routes like this!


I had mentioned that the 737 MAX 7 might possibly have enough range for DAL-HNL with auxiliary fuel tanks, and a discussion over whether the 737 MAX 7 has enough range to reach Hawaii nonstop from AUS, DAL, HOU, and MCI can be found at viewtopic.php?p=22727033#p22726671.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Thu May 06, 2021 9:54 pm

jplatts wrote:
orlandocfi wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:

So long as you don't expect it to be bi-directional. There are plenty of diversion points in the last three hours HNL-DAL. On DAL-HNL, not so much. AS had days with problems running 738s SEA-HNL non-stop, at 30% less distance than DAL-HNL, with ~sixteen fewer seats.


The -7 has considerably longer legs than the 738, but I seriously doubt the economic viability of running a 150-seat all-economy jet on routes like this!


I had mentioned that the 737 MAX 7 might possibly have enough range for DAL-HNL with auxiliary fuel tanks, and a discussion over whether the 737 MAX 7 has enough range to reach Hawaii nonstop from AUS, DAL, HOU, and MCI can be found at viewtopic.php?p=22727033#p22726671.


I could see WN using the -7 to serve Hawaii from smaller mainland markets...to the extent that they can operate with an unaugmented crew. I think MCI would be the perfect market for that kind of service. But Dallas, Houston, and Austin already have wide body service to HNL so why bother with those markets .
 
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Thu May 06, 2021 10:59 pm

Our internal fleet list, as of today, shows 59 MAX 8 and 4 MAX 8 ETOPS. So it appears the test runs yesterday were successful.
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Thu May 06, 2021 11:01 pm

gr8slvrflt wrote:
Our internal fleet list, as of today, shows 59 MAX 8 and 4 MAX 8 ETOPS. So it appears the test runs yesterday were successful.

How many max 8s are moving over to etops all of them ?
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Thu May 06, 2021 11:12 pm

Southwest has a booking glitch at the moment. At least for aug 15- sept 6. If you book a ticket you can immediately change it for no charge. I booked the cheapest (with a stop) then changed to the actual flight I wanted (nonstop) for no upcharge.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Fri May 07, 2021 12:56 am

orlandocfi wrote:

Wright Amendment did end in 2014 so there should be no restrictions to HNL flights, if it ever becomes an option, that is!


While many of the restrictions were lifted, the Wright Amendment still has restrictions in place.
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Fri May 07, 2021 1:03 am

jplatts wrote:
KMCOFlyer wrote:
SWADawg wrote:
You can’t anyway because of the Wright Amendment restrictions. No International flights and all Domestic flights have to be within the lower 48.


Interesting I never knew there was still a restriction that they can only fly within the lower 48 from DAL and thought the only restriction was no INTL flights.


Here is the text of Section 3 of the Wright Amendment Reform Act of 2006:
"No person shall provide, or offer to provide, air transportation of passengers for compensation or hire between Love Field, Texas, and any point or points outside the 50 States or the District of Columbia on a nonstop basis, and no official or employee of the Federal Government may take any action to make or designate Love Field as an initial point of entry into the United States or a last point of departure from the United States."

The Wright Amendment Reform Act of 2006 actually does allow nonstop flights to Hawaii from DAL since Hawaii is one of the 50 states. DAL to Hawaii nonstop flights would not fly over any foreign countries (even though such flights would fly over the Pacific Ocean in between California and Hawaii).


Kind of funny that the Reform Act specifically includes the District of Columbia. Both DCA and IAD are in Virginia. BWI is in Maryland. There is not an airport in the District.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Fri May 07, 2021 2:29 am

orlandocfi wrote:
The -7 has considerably longer legs than the 738, but I seriously doubt the economic viability of running a 150-seat all-economy jet on routes like this!


As efficient as the new crop of engines is, I don't think this is so far-fetched. The MAX 7 probably offers CASM below the 757s which have been used for routes like DEN-Hawaii, and DAL is a bit under 13% farther. The need for a third pilot westbound might be an issue -- I doubt they can manage a block time under eight hours under most conditions.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Fri May 07, 2021 4:14 am

gr8slvrflt wrote:
Our internal fleet list, as of today, shows 59 MAX 8 and 4 MAX 8 ETOPS. So it appears the test runs yesterday were successful.


Everything I've heard from sources this evening is the Certification process is completed pending full FAA approval sometime tomorrow afternoon.
Scheduling wise it sounds like the first 4 MAX8 ETOPS aircraft will transition into the regular Hawaii flying rotations on MAY 16th and rotate them all in the schedule by July 1.
Mid July 90% or the Hawaii flights should be completed by the MAX8E.



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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Fri May 07, 2021 5:08 am

Jshank83 wrote:
Southwest has a booking glitch at the moment. At least for aug 15- sept 6. If you book a ticket you can immediately change it for no charge. I booked the cheapest (with a stop) then changed to the actual flight I wanted (nonstop) for no upcharge.

Interesting...

Alaska had a very similar glitch about a month ago...
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Fri May 07, 2021 11:19 am

jplatts wrote:
orlandocfi wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:

So long as you don't expect it to be bi-directional. There are plenty of diversion points in the last three hours HNL-DAL. On DAL-HNL, not so much. AS had days with problems running 738s SEA-HNL non-stop, at 30% less distance than DAL-HNL, with ~sixteen fewer seats.


The -7 has considerably longer legs than the 738, but I seriously doubt the economic viability of running a 150-seat all-economy jet on routes like this!


I had mentioned that the 737 MAX 7 might possibly have enough range for DAL-HNL with auxiliary fuel tanks, and a discussion over whether the 737 MAX 7 has enough range to reach Hawaii nonstop from AUS, DAL, HOU, and MCI can be found at viewtopic.php?p=22727033#p22726671.

NOPE! Boeing is not investing is auxiliary fuel tanks for the MAX7.... so WN can put it on 15-20 planes.... NOPE! No return on investment. MAX7 range is 3850nm per Boeing and DALHNL and AUSHNL are 3300nm while MCIHNL and HOUHNL are 3400nm, so those 4 are probably out of contention on nonstop service.
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Fri May 07, 2021 2:30 pm

WN is gearing up to start hiring flight attendants this summer.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Fri May 07, 2021 3:34 pm

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WN is gearing up to start hiring flight attendants this summer.


Sounds like an additional 1000 new FAs to Grow LAX and DEN base.
Plus staff The 3 agreed satellite bases BNA,ABQ, TPA since 54+ MAX8 are returning to the schedule.

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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Fri May 07, 2021 3:35 pm

They need to open those bases. :-)
 
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Fri May 07, 2021 3:52 pm

They'll need 1000 to build DEN to the 3000 they've been promising for 2 years.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Fri May 07, 2021 3:55 pm

av8tiongeek wrote:
WN is gearing up to start hiring flight attendants this summer.

Source?
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Fri May 07, 2021 3:58 pm

SWADawg wrote:
av8tiongeek wrote:
WN is gearing up to start hiring flight attendants this summer.

Source?


Here: https://www.cnbc.com/2021/05/07/southwe ... ounds.html
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Fri May 07, 2021 4:18 pm

SWADawg wrote:
av8tiongeek wrote:
WN is gearing up to start hiring flight attendants this summer.

Source?


Company memo...ask any of your FA friends.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Fri May 07, 2021 4:19 pm

av8tiongeek wrote:
SWADawg wrote:
av8tiongeek wrote:
WN is gearing up to start hiring flight attendants this summer.

Source?


Company memo...ask any of your FA friends.

I’m on leave and don’t have any to ask.
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Fri May 07, 2021 4:24 pm

Are you anticipating a recall before January?
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Fri May 07, 2021 4:41 pm

av8tiongeek wrote:
Are you anticipating a recall before January?

I’m a pilot. I’ll be back in June.
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Fri May 07, 2021 4:47 pm

SWADawg wrote:
av8tiongeek wrote:
Are you anticipating a recall before January?

I’m a pilot. I’ll be back in June.


Hope you enjoyed your time off. Looking forward to any/all announcements leading up to June 18.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Fri May 07, 2021 4:59 pm

av8tiongeek wrote:
SWADawg wrote:
av8tiongeek wrote:
Are you anticipating a recall before January?

I’m a pilot. I’ll be back in June.


Hope you enjoyed your time off. Looking forward to any/all announcements leading up to June 18.

Thanks. I did enjoy my time off but I’m really ready to get back at it again.
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Fri May 07, 2021 6:05 pm

Does anyone know if WN is shifting resources from BWI to fund expansion at DEN, LAX, and HI? Seems like a lot is being (temporarily?) reduced at BWI. As noted earlier, a lot of routes that used to operate at high frequency are being vastly reduced in the updated and expanding summer schedule.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Fri May 07, 2021 7:18 pm

LotsaRunway wrote:
Does anyone know if WN is shifting resources from BWI to fund expansion at DEN, LAX, and HI? Seems like a lot is being (temporarily?) reduced at BWI. As noted earlier, a lot of routes that used to operate at high frequency are being vastly reduced in the updated and expanding summer schedule.


The high frequencies are for business travelers, which just aren't flying at big enough numbers just yet.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Fri May 07, 2021 9:29 pm

Updated paint list as of 05/07/2021. From what Ive seen, painting has somewhat resumed. If still interested, Ill gladly re update the list.

167 Planes are left in the "Canyon Blue" livery
563 Planes are painted in the "Heart" livery
2 Planes (711,714) are painted in the "Retro/ Original" livery




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931 (LONE STAR ONE)
932
933
934
935
936
937
938 (HEROES OF THE HEART)
939
940
941
942
943 (CALIFORNIA ONE)
944
945 (FLORIDA ONE)
946 (LOUISIANA ONE)
947
948
949
950
951
952
953 (SILVER ONE)
954
955 (ARIZONA ONE)
956 (THE JACK VIDAL)
957
958
959
960
961
962
963
964
965
966
967
968
969
7704
7711
7720
7724
7725
7727
7729
7731
7733
7735
7738
7816
7817
7818
7819
7820
7821
7822
7823
7824
7825
7826
7827
7828
7829
7830
7831
7832
7833
7835
7836
7837
7838
7839
7840
7841
7842
7843
7844
7845
7846
7847
7848
7849
7850
7851
7852
7853
7854
7855
7856
7857
7858
7859
7860
7861
7862
7863
7864
7865
7866
7867
7868
7869
7873
7874
7875
7876
7877
7878
7879
7880
7881
7882
7883
7884
7885
7886
7887
7888
7889

800 (ETOPS)
==========
8301
8302
8303
8305
8306
8307
8308
8309
8310
8311
8312
8313
8314
8315
8316
8317
8318
8319
8320
8321
8322
8323
8324
8325
8326
8327
8328
8329

800 (NON ETOPS)
==============
8501
8502
8503
8504
8507
8508
8509
8510
8511
8512
8513
8514
8515
8516
8517
8518
8519
8520
8521
8522
8523
8524
8525
8526
8527
8528
8529
8530
8531
8532
8533
8534
8535
8536
8537
8538
8539
8540
8541
8542
8543
8544
8545
8546
8547
8548
8549
8550
8551
8552
8553
8554
8555
8556
8557
8558
8559
8560
8561
8562
8563
8564
8565
8566
8567
8568
8569
8570
8571
8572
8573
8574
8575
8576
8577
8578
8579
8580
8581
8582
8583
8584
8600
8601
8602
8603
8604
8608
8642 (HEART ONE)
8643
8644
8645 (HEART TWO)
8652
8653
8654
8655
8656
8657
8658
8659
8660
8661
8662
8663
8664
8665
8667
8668
8669
8670
8671
8672
8673
8674
8675
8676
8677
8678
8679
8680
8681
8682
8683
8684
8685
8686
8687
8688
8689
8690
8691
8692
8693
8694
8695
8696
8697
8698
8699

737-7MAX (STORED/ YET TO ENTER SERVICE)
========
7203
7204
7205
7206
7207

737-8MAX ETOPS
===============
8701
8702
8703 (NTU/ WONT RE ENTER SERVICE)
8704
8705
8706
8707
8708
8709
8710
8711
8712
8713
8714
8715
8716
8717
8718
8719
8720
8721
8722
8723
8724
8725
8726
8727
8728
8729
8730
8731
8732
8733
8734
8735
(FOLLOWING FRAMES WILL BE ETOPS)
8736
8737
8738
8739
8740
8741
8742
8743
8744
8745
8746
8747
8748
8749
8750

737-8MAX (NON ETOPS)
===================
8800
8801
8802
8803
8804
8805
8806
8807
8808
8809
8810
8811
8812
8814
8817
8818
 
Wneast
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Fri May 07, 2021 9:45 pm

Anyone hearing if they approved etops this afternoon ?
 
737MAX7
Posts: 204
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Fri May 07, 2021 10:19 pm

Wneast wrote:
Anyone hearing if they approved etops this afternoon ?

Not sure on an official announcement but 8714 is sitting at C21 here in BNA with her ETOPS on the nose gear door and above the aft entry door showing so I’m going to take a wild guess it has been or is really close to being approved. Previously all of the intended ETOPS birds had them covered.
 
wnflyguy
Posts: 2441
Joined: Thu Feb 10, 2011 7:58 pm

Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Fri May 07, 2021 11:52 pm

SXDFC wrote:
Updated paint list as of 05/07/2021. From what Ive seen, painting has somewhat resumed. If still interested, Ill gladly re update the list.

167 Planes are left in the "Canyon Blue" livery
563 Planes are painted in the "Heart" livery
2 Planes (711,714) are painted in the "Retro/ Original" livery




737-700
=========
200
201
202
203
204
205
206
207
208
209
210
211
212
213
215
216
217
218
219
220
221
222
223
224
225
226
227
229
233
237
239
241
250
251
253
257
268
271
275
277
280 (MISSOURI ONE)
287
400
403
404
405
407
409 (TRIPLE CROWN ONE)
410
411
412
413
414
415
417 (THE ROLLIN KING)
418
419
421
422
423
424
425
426
427
428
429
431
432
433
434
435
436
437
438
439 (THE DONALD OGDGEN)
441
442
443 (RONALD MCDONALD HOUSE)
444
445
447
448
449
450
451
452
453
454
455
456
457
458
459
460
461
462
463
464
465
466
467
468
469
470
472
473
474
475
476
477
478
479
480
481
482
483
484
485
486
487
488
489
490
491
492
493
494
495
496
497
498
499
705
709
712
713
715
718
720
724
726
728
729
734
736
737
744
745
746
747
748
752
755
757
758
763
765
767
769
770
773
776
777
778
778
781 (NEW MEXICO ONE)
784
785
787
791
792
793
796
797
798
799
907
908
909
910
912
913
914
917
919
920
922 (HEART LIVERY AS OF 04/2021)
923
924
925
926
927
928
929
930
931 (LONE STAR ONE)
932
933
934
935
936
937
938 (HEROES OF THE HEART)
939
940
941
942
943 (CALIFORNIA ONE)
944
945 (FLORIDA ONE)
946 (LOUISIANA ONE)
947
948
949
950
951
952
953 (SILVER ONE)
954
955 (ARIZONA ONE)
956 (THE JACK VIDAL)
957
958
959
960
961
962
963
964
965
966
967
968
969
7704
7711
7720
7724
7725
7727
7729
7731
7733
7735
7738
7816
7817
7818
7819
7820
7821
7822
7823
7824
7825
7826
7827
7828
7829
7830
7831
7832
7833
7835
7836
7837
7838
7839
7840
7841
7842
7843
7844
7845
7846
7847
7848
7849
7850
7851
7852
7853
7854
7855
7856
7857
7858
7859
7860
7861
7862
7863
7864
7865
7866
7867
7868
7869
7873
7874
7875
7876
7877
7878
7879
7880
7881
7882
7883
7884
7885
7886
7887
7888
7889

800 (ETOPS)
==========
8301
8302
8303
8305
8306
8307
8308
8309
8310
8311
8312
8313
8314
8315
8316
8317
8318
8319
8320
8321
8322
8323
8324
8325
8326
8327
8328
8329

800 (NON ETOPS)
==============
8501
8502
8503
8504
8507
8508
8509
8510
8511
8512
8513
8514
8515
8516
8517
8518
8519
8520
8521
8522
8523
8524
8525
8526
8527
8528
8529
8530
8531
8532
8533
8534
8535
8536
8537
8538
8539
8540
8541
8542
8543
8544
8545
8546
8547
8548
8549
8550
8551
8552
8553
8554
8555
8556
8557
8558
8559
8560
8561
8562
8563
8564
8565
8566
8567
8568
8569
8570
8571
8572
8573
8574
8575
8576
8577
8578
8579
8580
8581
8582
8583
8584
8600
8601
8602
8603
8604
8608
8642 (HEART ONE)
8643
8644
8645 (HEART TWO)
8652
8653
8654
8655
8656
8657
8658
8659
8660
8661
8662
8663
8664
8665
8667
8668
8669
8670
8671
8672
8673
8674
8675
8676
8677
8678
8679
8680
8681
8682
8683
8684
8685
8686
8687
8688
8689
8690
8691
8692
8693
8694
8695
8696
8697
8698
8699

737-7MAX (STORED/ YET TO ENTER SERVICE)
========
7203
7204
7205
7206
7207

737-8MAX ETOPS
===============
8701
8702
8703 (NTU/ WONT RE ENTER SERVICE)
8704
8705
8706
8707
8708
8709
8710
8711
8712
8713
8714
8715
8716
8717
8718
8719
8720
8721
8722
8723
8724
8725
8726
8727
8728
8729
8730
8731
8732
8733
8734
8735
(FOLLOWING FRAMES WILL BE ETOPS)
8736
8737
8738
8739
8740
8741
8742
8743
8744
8745
8746
8747
8748
8749
8750

737-8MAX (NON ETOPS)
===================
8800
8801
8802
8803
8804
8805
8806
8807
8808
8809
8810
8811
8812
8814
8817
8818


Thanks for the fleet update.

Well Just in case nobody else catches it.
By June 1 WN will have 78 total ETOPS aircraft.
That's A LOT of flying to Hawaii WN can unleash on this leisure travel environment.
Hawaiian and AlaskaAir can't be to thrilled about this.
If rumors are true that July will see additional Hawaii flights on top of the first June adds it's definitely going to get ugly in the Fare wars .

Enjoy or Don't
Flyguy
My Wings are clipped just another Retired Airline person. The Ultimate Armchair out of the loop airline industry geek. Aloha Mr Hand!
 
Wneast
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Joined: Sun Jan 31, 2021 11:37 pm

Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Sat May 08, 2021 12:01 am

wnflyguy wrote:
SXDFC wrote:
Updated paint list as of 05/07/2021. From what Ive seen, painting has somewhat resumed. If still interested, Ill gladly re update the list.

167 Planes are left in the "Canyon Blue" livery
563 Planes are painted in the "Heart" livery
2 Planes (711,714) are painted in the "Retro/ Original" livery




737-700
=========
200
201
202
203
204
205
206
207
208
209
210
211
212
213
215
216
217
218
219
220
221
222
223
224
225
226
227
229
233
237
239
241
250
251
253
257
268
271
275
277
280 (MISSOURI ONE)
287
400
403
404
405
407
409 (TRIPLE CROWN ONE)
410
411
412
413
414
415
417 (THE ROLLIN KING)
418
419
421
422
423
424
425
426
427
428
429
431
432
433
434
435
436
437
438
439 (THE DONALD OGDGEN)
441
442
443 (RONALD MCDONALD HOUSE)
444
445
447
448
449
450
451
452
453
454
455
456
457
458
459
460
461
462
463
464
465
466
467
468
469
470
472
473
474
475
476
477
478
479
480
481
482
483
484
485
486
487
488
489
490
491
492
493
494
495
496
497
498
499
705
709
712
713
715
718
720
724
726
728
729
734
736
737
744
745
746
747
748
752
755
757
758
763
765
767
769
770
773
776
777
778
778
781 (NEW MEXICO ONE)
784
785
787
791
792
793
796
797
798
799
907
908
909
910
912
913
914
917
919
920
922 (HEART LIVERY AS OF 04/2021)
923
924
925
926
927
928
929
930
931 (LONE STAR ONE)
932
933
934
935
936
937
938 (HEROES OF THE HEART)
939
940
941
942
943 (CALIFORNIA ONE)
944
945 (FLORIDA ONE)
946 (LOUISIANA ONE)
947
948
949
950
951
952
953 (SILVER ONE)
954
955 (ARIZONA ONE)
956 (THE JACK VIDAL)
957
958
959
960
961
962
963
964
965
966
967
968
969
7704
7711
7720
7724
7725
7727
7729
7731
7733
7735
7738
7816
7817
7818
7819
7820
7821
7822
7823
7824
7825
7826
7827
7828
7829
7830
7831
7832
7833
7835
7836
7837
7838
7839
7840
7841
7842
7843
7844
7845
7846
7847
7848
7849
7850
7851
7852
7853
7854
7855
7856
7857
7858
7859
7860
7861
7862
7863
7864
7865
7866
7867
7868
7869
7873
7874
7875
7876
7877
7878
7879
7880
7881
7882
7883
7884
7885
7886
7887
7888
7889

800 (ETOPS)
==========
8301
8302
8303
8305
8306
8307
8308
8309
8310
8311
8312
8313
8314
8315
8316
8317
8318
8319
8320
8321
8322
8323
8324
8325
8326
8327
8328
8329

800 (NON ETOPS)
==============
8501
8502
8503
8504
8507
8508
8509
8510
8511
8512
8513
8514
8515
8516
8517
8518
8519
8520
8521
8522
8523
8524
8525
8526
8527
8528
8529
8530
8531
8532
8533
8534
8535
8536
8537
8538
8539
8540
8541
8542
8543
8544
8545
8546
8547
8548
8549
8550
8551
8552
8553
8554
8555
8556
8557
8558
8559
8560
8561
8562
8563
8564
8565
8566
8567
8568
8569
8570
8571
8572
8573
8574
8575
8576
8577
8578
8579
8580
8581
8582
8583
8584
8600
8601
8602
8603
8604
8608
8642 (HEART ONE)
8643
8644
8645 (HEART TWO)
8652
8653
8654
8655
8656
8657
8658
8659
8660
8661
8662
8663
8664
8665
8667
8668
8669
8670
8671
8672
8673
8674
8675
8676
8677
8678
8679
8680
8681
8682
8683
8684
8685
8686
8687
8688
8689
8690
8691
8692
8693
8694
8695
8696
8697
8698
8699

737-7MAX (STORED/ YET TO ENTER SERVICE)
========
7203
7204
7205
7206
7207

737-8MAX ETOPS
===============
8701
8702
8703 (NTU/ WONT RE ENTER SERVICE)
8704
8705
8706
8707
8708
8709
8710
8711
8712
8713
8714
8715
8716
8717
8718
8719
8720
8721
8722
8723
8724
8725
8726
8727
8728
8729
8730
8731
8732
8733
8734
8735
(FOLLOWING FRAMES WILL BE ETOPS)
8736
8737
8738
8739
8740
8741
8742
8743
8744
8745
8746
8747
8748
8749
8750

737-8MAX (NON ETOPS)
===================
8800
8801
8802
8803
8804
8805
8806
8807
8808
8809
8810
8811
8812
8814
8817
8818


Thanks for the fleet update.

Well Just in case nobody else catches it.
By June 1 WN will have 78 total ETOPS aircraft.
That's A LOT of flying to Hawaii WN can unleash on this leisure travel environment.
Hawaiian and AlaskaAir can't be to thrilled about this.
If rumors are true that July will see additional Hawaii flights on top of the first June adds it's definitely going to get ugly in the Fare wars .

Enjoy or Don't
Flyguy

78 planes that’s insane what other Hawaii flying are they going to do ? The other airlines are in trouble for sure WN is coming for them I would imagine we will see even more destinations to Hawaii even if there less then daily ?

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