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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Tue Sep 28, 2021 5:25 pm

I would imagine a livery for sure, but the rest will be revealed tomorrow according to a tweet by WN.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Tue Sep 28, 2021 5:48 pm

av8tiongeek wrote:
I would imagine a livery for sure, but the rest will be revealed tomorrow according to a tweet by WN.


It should be today. The tweet was from yesterday. I just assumed it was a livery.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Tue Sep 28, 2021 5:48 pm

Prediction: it's the return of commercial airline service to the Lake Buena Vista STOLPort: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walt_Disney_World_Airport. :D :D Everyone's been obsessed with whether WN would order Airbus aircraft when they are actually placing an order for Twin Otters.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Tue Sep 28, 2021 6:13 pm

Yeah that tweet was from yesterday haven’t seen anything today ?
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Tue Sep 28, 2021 7:21 pm

Wnflyguy you hearing anything about this Disney and WN thing ?
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Tue Sep 28, 2021 8:21 pm

Wneast wrote:
Wnflyguy you hearing anything about this Disney and WN thing ?
nvm it’s a livery
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Tue Sep 28, 2021 8:45 pm

Wneast wrote:
Wneast wrote:
Wnflyguy you hearing anything about this Disney and WN thing ?
nvm it’s a livery


I saw it too but I didn't catch the reg. Not as flashy as the AS liveries but this is nice.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Tue Sep 28, 2021 8:52 pm

WN732 wrote:
Wneast wrote:
Wneast wrote:
Wnflyguy you hearing anything about this Disney and WN thing ?
nvm it’s a livery


I saw it too but I didn't catch the reg. Not as flashy as the AS liveries but this is nice.


N954WN. Only through March 2022

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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:20 pm

WN732 wrote:
Wneast wrote:
Wneast wrote:
Wnflyguy you hearing anything about this Disney and WN thing ?
nvm it’s a livery


I saw it too but I didn't catch the reg. Not as flashy as the AS liveries but this is nice.

I’m digging the Disney characters on the window shades. I wish we would team up with Universal Studios!
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Wed Sep 29, 2021 9:10 pm

I was just looking at booking a trip out of LGA for December and noticed that there were options for connections in BWI, didn't realize WN was planning to operate LGA-BWI and don't think I had seen any announcements about it. Looks to operate multiple times daily beginning November 7
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Wed Sep 29, 2021 9:19 pm

gdavis003 wrote:
I was just looking at booking a trip out of LGA for December and noticed that there were options for connections in BWI, didn't realize WN was planning to operate LGA-BWI and don't think I had seen any announcements about it. Looks to operate multiple times daily beginning November 7


Have to use up those LGA slots
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Wed Sep 29, 2021 9:23 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
gdavis003 wrote:
I was just looking at booking a trip out of LGA for December and noticed that there were options for connections in BWI, didn't realize WN was planning to operate LGA-BWI and don't think I had seen any announcements about it. Looks to operate multiple times daily beginning November 7


Have to use up those LGA slots


And for folks going TO New York, BWI is a good place to connect. ANet legend and to some extent fact, says the NYC POS is gonna be next to nothing.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Tue Oct 05, 2021 2:24 am

Not sure if anyone else in here goes thru schedules but October has to be one of the most jacked up ones I have looked thru.

Some days you will have nonstops XXX-YYY but not reverse

examples:
STL-OMA doesn't run mon-fri but OMA-STL does (then there are 2 STL-OMA on Sunday)
STL-SNA doesn't run mon-fri but SNA-STL does
OAK-STL doesn't run Tues/Wed but STL-OAK does

Not sure I have seen it before, at least not to this extent.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Tue Oct 05, 2021 1:00 pm

OzarkD9S wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
gdavis003 wrote:
I was just looking at booking a trip out of LGA for December and noticed that there were options for connections in BWI, didn't realize WN was planning to operate LGA-BWI and don't think I had seen any announcements about it. Looks to operate multiple times daily beginning November 7


Have to use up those LGA slots


And for folks going TO New York, BWI is a good place to connect. ANet legend and to some extent fact, says the NYC POS is gonna be next to nothing.

Back when they used to do FLL-LGA the primary POS was New York. I’m pretty sure the New York POS was bigger for EWR too. I’d imagine a decent NYC POS for MCO and TPA but beyond that, yeah not much.

Fwiw I’m scheduled on one of those BWI-LGA flights on November 8.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Tue Oct 05, 2021 1:26 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
Not sure if anyone else in here goes thru schedules but October has to be one of the most jacked up ones I have looked thru.

Some days you will have nonstops XXX-YYY but not reverse

examples:
STL-OMA doesn't run mon-fri but OMA-STL does (then there are 2 STL-OMA on Sunday)
STL-SNA doesn't run mon-fri but SNA-STL does
OAK-STL doesn't run Tues/Wed but STL-OAK does

Not sure I have seen it before, at least not to this extent.


The STL-OMA is a crazy one to me, I noticed that as well a while back! STL-OMA used to be 3x daily (2x daily January-February), they are going to have a tough time getting the travelers back with it being basically either gone or 1x daily for a long time now! Needs to be 2x daily min for most travelers unless just connecting, then doesn't matter.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Thu Oct 07, 2021 4:46 pm

Yesterday heard an interview with Linda Rutherford VP of Communications at Southwest who said by July leisure travel was equal or exceeding historic norms, though the delta variant by August had knocked that back. She also said biz travel remains down 65%.
Additionally learned from her that SWA is now #1 market share in 25 of top 50 U.S. airports.
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Thu Oct 07, 2021 5:01 pm

LAXintl wrote:

Additionally learned from her that SWA is now #1 market share in 25 of top 50 U.S. airports.


It would be interesting to know how they qualified market share: RPMs, passengers, domestic passengers...
 
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Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Thu Oct 07, 2021 6:31 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
LAXintl wrote:

Additionally learned from her that SWA is now #1 market share in 25 of top 50 U.S. airports.


It would be interesting to know how they qualified market share: RPMs, passengers, domestic passengers...

I’m curious as well. I went through the “top 50” busiest airports and came up with only about 19 that were most likely to qualify for this statement and only 1, maybe 3 in the top ten. Still impressive nonetheless.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of ... ted_States
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Fri Oct 08, 2021 1:07 am

MIflyer12 wrote:
LAXintl wrote:

Additionally learned from her that SWA is now #1 market share in 25 of top 50 U.S. airports.


It would be interesting to know how they qualified market share: RPMs, passengers, domestic passengers...


Most airports count the passenger since they get fees based on passenger count…
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Sat Oct 09, 2021 2:38 pm

AC4500 wrote:
DAL-CVG & DAL-CLE seem like future routes that could perform well for WN. If WN were to add DAL-BDL/BUF, they would probably be Saturday-only seasonal flights. However, I do agree that as a whole, WN has a lot more network-building to recover from at DAL in comparison to most of their other large stations.


I had mentioned over in the Cleveland Aviation Thread that CLE had stronger O&D demand from the DFW/DAL market in Q2 2021 than some of the other markets that have daily service from both DFW and DAL. AA is also currently the only airline serving CLE nonstop from DFW, whereas most of the other markets with similar levels of O&D demand from the DFW/DAL market already have nonstop service out of DAL on WN.

While NK had seasonal nonstop service to CLE from DFW prior to the pandemic, NK has already dropped DFW-CLE nonstop service through at least the end of its current schedule (which currently goes through 5/24/2022).

CLE can likely support the return of nonstop service to DAL on WN with CLE having stronger O&D demand from the DFW/DAL market in Q2 2021 than some of the other markets that already have nonstop service from both DFW and DAL along with the absence of nonstop competition that is currently there on the DFW-CLE route.

A post listing the Q2 2021 PDEW's of CLE-DFW/DAL and some other routes out of DFW/DAL can be found at viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1455975&start=850#p22988617.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Sat Oct 09, 2021 7:23 pm

Took some time to research each of these markets. But according to most recent data online, WN is number one in passengers carried in the following markets:

SNA
ONT
BUR
LGB
SAN
SJC
OAK
SMF
LAS
DAL
MDW
HOU
ABQ
TPA
MCO
PIT
RSW
SDF
BWI
MSY
BNA
STL
MCI
AUS
SAT
CMH
MKE
IND
ALB
BDL
COS
OMA
RNO
OKC
BUF
MEM

WN is number 2 or 3 in passengers carried in these markets:

ATL
PHX
PHL
DCA
FLL
JAX
DEN
ORF
PDX
BOI
HNL
LIH
ITO
TUS
FAT
SRQ
ELP
GEG
RDU
BHM
LIT
DTW
SLC

*feel free to correct these lists if you have more current/accurate stats*
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Sat Oct 09, 2021 10:22 pm

airplaneboy wrote:
Took some time to research each of these markets. But according to most recent data online, WN is number one in passengers carried in the following markets:

SNA
ONT
BUR
LGB
SAN
SJC
OAK
SMF
LAS
DAL
MDW
HOU
ABQ
TPA
MCO
PIT
RSW
SDF
BWI
MSY
BNA
STL
MCI
AUS
SAT
CMH
MKE
IND
ALB
BDL
COS
OMA
RNO
OKC
BUF
MEM

WN is number 2 or 3 in passengers carried in these markets:

ATL
PHX
PHL
DCA
FLL
JAX
DEN
ORF
PDX
BOI
HNL
LIH
ITO
TUS
FAT
SRQ
ELP
GEG
RDU
BHM
LIT
DTW
SLC

*feel free to correct these lists if you have more current/accurate stats*

Manchester. MHT.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Sun Oct 10, 2021 12:11 am

Something going on with WN today. STL has a ton of outbound canceled tonight and the weather is fine.

Looks like BNA has a bunch also
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Sun Oct 10, 2021 12:21 am

I counted 28 cancellations from BNA today

https://californianewstimes.com/high-vo ... ed/553383/
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Sun Oct 10, 2021 1:26 am

ATC is Southwests method of not paying compensation for all the pax they screwed over today. Me included. I guarantee this is the pilots protesting the vax requirements. 30% of pilots called in sick resulting in 1400 cancellations. Dang that weather and ATC.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Sun Oct 10, 2021 1:59 am

CMHSRQ wrote:
ATC is Southwests method of not paying compensation for all the pax they screwed over today. Me included. I guarantee this is the pilots protesting the vax requirements. 30% of pilots called in sick resulting in 1400 cancellations. Dang that weather and ATC.



I don’t think they are protesting, as much as being worn out from short staffing, and constant reroutes the last few months. Their operation is busting at the seams, and people can only take so much. Just my opinion
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Sun Oct 10, 2021 2:02 am

Decimated PVD today with cancellations. Looks like some other cities as well.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Sun Oct 10, 2021 3:49 am

It started yesterday (Friday). I was supposed to fly BNA-DCA. My original 3:10 p.m. departure had a creeping delay until 8:47 p.m. then 1:47 a.m. and then 5:11 p.m. the next day. I was never rebooked--my original flight was delayed 26 HOURS.

When they posted 1:47 a.m. I gave up, went home, and cancelled for a flight credit. Then this morning I look at Flight Aware and see that it operated yesterday after all, departing at 9:14 p.m.

What the heck?! Just a total cluster of incompetence on WN's end. I rarely fly them and this is why. I will hopefully use up this credit at some point and then never again.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Sun Oct 10, 2021 11:32 am

CMHSRQ wrote:
ATC is Southwests method of not paying compensation for all the pax they screwed over today. Me included. I guarantee this is the pilots protesting the vax requirements. 30% of pilots called in sick resulting in 1400 cancellations. Dang that weather and ATC.


Word is ATC sick out over vax mandates in Jacksonville.

Wait till the truckers decide to screw with the already screwed supply chain.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Sun Oct 10, 2021 12:37 pm

Already seeing 31 departures cancelled in STL today.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Sun Oct 10, 2021 2:04 pm

FlightAware is currently showing 1006, or 27%, of the SWA flights are cancelled for Sunday
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Sun Oct 10, 2021 2:18 pm

WaywardMemphian wrote:
CMHSRQ wrote:
ATC is Southwests method of not paying compensation for all the pax they screwed over today. Me included. I guarantee this is the pilots protesting the vax requirements. 30% of pilots called in sick resulting in 1400 cancellations. Dang that weather and ATC.


Word is ATC sick out over vax mandates in Jacksonville.

Wait till the truckers decide to screw with the already screwed supply chain.


Southwest is always looking for an easy excuse and this is no exception.

By coincidence and totally anecdotal I have several friends who had different WN flights booked this morning who are absolutely peeved that they are cancelled for weather. Southwest must be operating in some unique weather that doesn’t exist for the other airlines. Too bad they can’t just own up to their issues.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Sun Oct 10, 2021 2:22 pm

Basically sounds like a repeat of the spirit meltdown, just at a smaller scale.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Sun Oct 10, 2021 3:24 pm

Was on a MCO-MHT flight this morning I could hear lots of chatter about how people were going to Manchester then getting picked up or renting a car to head to BDL and PVD. Couple drove up last night from FLL to MCO to get on the MHT flight then renting a car to PVD. I heard a gate agent and a ramper talking about a lot of people calling in because of the vaccine mandates once they realize I wasn’t listening to them not just looking out the window they took the conversation to the jet bridge.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Sun Oct 10, 2021 4:31 pm

Here's how the cancellations were covered over at CNBC:

Southwest Airlines cancels 1,000 more flights as disruptions mount

The Dallas-based airline blamed the disruptions on air traffic control issues in Florida and bad weather but other airlines in the region reported far fewer cancellations.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/so ... t-n1281182

Southwest Airlines canceled more than 1,000 flights, 27 percent of its schedule, on Sunday as disruptions that the airline blamed on air traffic control issues and bad weather affected the travel plans of thousands of customers.

Southwest did not immediately comment on whether staffing shortfalls contributed to the cancellations this weekend.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Sun Oct 10, 2021 6:37 pm

DIRECTFLT wrote:
The Dallas-based airline blamed the disruptions on air traffic control issues in Florida and bad weather but other airlines in the region reported far fewer cancellations.


The New York Times picked up that same anomaly: bad weather unique to a single carrier.

This was the NYT's article subtitle:

More than a thousand flights were canceled on Sunday and 800 on Saturday. The airline blamed air traffic control and “disruptive weather,” but no other carrier reported problems.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/10/busi ... ights.html

Repetitions of this are going to invite Congressional scrutiny, as when NW and AA had winter weather meltdowns two decades and left thousands of people stranded off the gate for many hours.

https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna17173370
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Sun Oct 10, 2021 7:42 pm

The FAA ✈️
@FAANews
·
2h
No FAA air traffic staffing shortages have been reported since Friday.

Flight delays & cancellations occurred for a few hours Friday PM due to widespread severe weather, military training, & limited staffing in one area of the Jacksonville en route center.
(1/2)


The FAA ✈️
@FAANews
·
2h
Some airlines continue to experience scheduling challenges due to aircraft and crews being out of place. (2/2)


Posted ~17:30 UTC on 10-Oct-2021 however they pinned it to the top of the Twitter feed which I assume means they are getting a lot of inquires. :shock:
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Sun Oct 10, 2021 8:05 pm

Technically ATC won’t let the plane depart without a crew.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Sun Oct 10, 2021 8:06 pm

The pilot’s union said this has nothing to do with them: https://www.swapa.org/news/2021/press-release/

So what’s the deal? Is this just a huge operational disaster?
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Sun Oct 10, 2021 8:39 pm

Everyone is Sgt. Schutlzing it.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Sun Oct 10, 2021 9:29 pm

Twitter user https://twitter.com/thomasbsauer is talking about staffing shortages at Jacksonville ATC.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Sun Oct 10, 2021 9:33 pm

DIRECTFLT wrote:
Twitter user https://twitter.com/thomasbsauer is talking about staffing shortages at Jacksonville ATC.


He is not a news source. Anyone can post anything on Twitter. None of the other airlines have had meltdowns. What is the point of linking this guy and his political rants to this thread?
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Sun Oct 10, 2021 9:59 pm

He's speculating... are we not allowed to speculate here???
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Sun Oct 10, 2021 10:11 pm

WaywardMemphian wrote:
CMHSRQ wrote:
ATC is Southwests method of not paying compensation for all the pax they screwed over today. Me included. I guarantee this is the pilots protesting the vax requirements. 30% of pilots called in sick resulting in 1400 cancellations. Dang that weather and ATC.


Word is ATC sick out over vax mandates in Jacksonville.

Wait till the truckers decide to screw with the already screwed supply chain.


I work in the travel dept for a large OTR trucking firm and hearing about WN's weekend troubles
has me dreading work tomorrow.

We book 80-100 records a week for trainee drivers heading out to the trainer trucks all over the US.
These trainers don't have time to sit around and wait for a trainee cause his flight was delayed / cxld. ...ugh
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Mon Oct 11, 2021 12:28 am

Please post on topic.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Mon Oct 11, 2021 4:36 am

cdin844 wrote:
The pilot’s union said this has nothing to do with them: https://www.swapa.org/news/2021/press-release/

So what’s the deal? Is this just a huge operational disaster?


Yes. It’s the same thing that happened to Spirit. Too many crew got stuck due to the ATC issue and they didn’t have enough reserves (because they are spread way too thin right now) to pick up the slack. So it cascaded just like the Spirit thing a few months ago.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Mon Oct 11, 2021 5:15 am

250 cancels for Monday already. Probably better than Sunday but hopefully they get it worked out soon
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Mon Oct 11, 2021 5:34 am

Jshank83 wrote:
cdin844 wrote:
The pilot’s union said this has nothing to do with them: https://www.swapa.org/news/2021/press-release/

So what’s the deal? Is this just a huge operational disaster?


Yes. It’s the same thing that happened to Spirit. Too many crew got stuck due to the ATC issue and they didn’t have enough reserves (because they are spread way too thin right now) to pick up the slack. So it cascaded just like the Spirit thing a few months ago.


The ATC issue appears to have been somewhat debunked, no other carriers were really impacted by it. I also figure if there was really that significant of an issue at the JAX center, AA would be in much much worse shape, given to proximity to CLT & MIA.
https://twitter.com/BenBeckerANjax/stat ... 99105?s=20

Spirit's excuse actually made sense, since AA was also impacted severely and NKs two largest "hubs/stations" were hit with back-to-back days of constant thunderstorms. And they eventually ended up admitting that they also over-scheduled.

Jshank83 wrote:
Basically sounds like a repeat of the spirit meltdown, just at a smaller scale.


Although the disruption was more impactful to NK than it was to WN, they both had to essentially cancel the same number of flights (WN will probably end up canceling more) plus NK was over a week and WN was over a couple days.

WN is trying to play the blame game (for good reason), so they can partially get off the hook.

jetmatt777 wrote:
WaywardMemphian wrote:
CMHSRQ wrote:
ATC is Southwests method of not paying compensation for all the pax they screwed over today. Me included. I guarantee this is the pilots protesting the vax requirements. 30% of pilots called in sick resulting in 1400 cancellations. Dang that weather and ATC.


Word is ATC sick out over vax mandates in Jacksonville.

Wait till the truckers decide to screw with the already screwed supply chain.


Southwest is always looking for an easy excuse and this is no exception.

By coincidence and totally anecdotal I have several friends who had different WN flights booked this morning who are absolutely peeved that they are cancelled for weather. Southwest must be operating in some unique weather that doesn’t exist for the other airlines. Too bad they can’t just own up to their issues.


Worst part is, this is the busiest travel weekend since July, flights are/were packed....meaning cancelations get really ugly since all the passengers on the cancelled flights need to be rebooked, but everything is already full.

Plus with WNs p2p network, you end up with passengers and crew stranded everywhere.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Mon Oct 11, 2021 9:23 am

Jshank83 wrote:
cdin844 wrote:
The pilot’s union said this has nothing to do with them: https://www.swapa.org/news/2021/press-release/

So what’s the deal? Is this just a huge operational disaster?


Yes. It’s the same thing that happened to Spirit. Too many crew got stuck due to the ATC issue and they didn’t have enough reserves (because they are spread way too thin right now) to pick up the slack. So it cascaded just like the Spirit thing a few months ago.



That ATC event was for a few hours….why haven’t they had these issues previously as weather and ATC reroutes happen regularly.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Mon Oct 11, 2021 11:05 am

Midwestindy wrote:

The ATC issue appears to have been somewhat debunked, no other carriers were really impacted by it. I also figure if there was really that significant of an issue at the JAX center, AA would be in much much worse shape, given to proximity to CLT & MIA.
https://twitter.com/BenBeckerANjax/stat ... 99105?s=20


FlightAware's cancellation stats for Sunday, 10/10/21:

Southwest, 1124 flights cancelled, 30% of scheduled ops

AA (mainline only), 167, 5%

Envoy, 49, 6%

Allegiant, 37, 7%

Spirit, 34, 4%

Mesa, 31, 5%

United, 10, rounds to 0%

Delta, 3, rounds to 0%

The whole 'We have more flights to Florida and so were more heavily impacted' thing just fails a sniff test.

As for the recovery difficulties for a P2P network, P2P is management's choice: apparently they need to budget more reserve planes and crew relative to scheduled ops.

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