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LAXintl wrote:Southwest is no longer the quirky LCC where tickets could only be booked locally.
SWA signs with Sabre for full GDS participation. They previously had "Basic-Level" content model with Sabre which they announced previously would be ending due friction with the legacy technology involved.
https://www.swamedia.com/releases/relea ... -agreement
ibthebigd wrote:Does that mean Southwest will be on Travelocity Expedia ect?
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smokeybandit wrote:Any idea if this is covid-motivated or if this was just a long time coming?
LAXintl wrote:Don't see it having anything really to do with COVID, just part of the process of Southwest maturing as a business and coming out of its shell.
MIflyer12 wrote:LAXintl wrote:Don't see it having anything really to do with COVID, just part of the process of Southwest maturing as a business and coming out of its shell.
It's been a long time coming. Imagine how we would think Neeleman a moron if he declared it would be 49 years before Breeze sold tickets thru a consumer-facing GDS portal.
WN732 wrote:ibthebigd wrote:Does that mean Southwest will be on Travelocity Expedia ect?
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Certainly does seem that way. At the very least they'll show up in results on Google Flights.
evank516 wrote:Think we will see any news destination announcements from WN in 2021?
MIflyer12 wrote:LAXintl wrote:Don't see it having anything really to do with COVID, just part of the process of Southwest maturing as a business and coming out of its shell.
It's been a long time coming. Imagine how we would think Neeleman a moron if he declared it would be 49 years before Breeze sold tickets thru a consumer-facing GDS portal.
737Jason wrote:Does anybody know what the fate of the Dessert Gold and Canyon blue livery’s will be, since the retirement of N711HK and N714CB are imminent, and they repainted Warrior one into the Heart livery.
DaCubbyBearBar wrote:I am guessing that WN is doing away with special paint schemes.... They have eliminated 2 of the state planes I believe and the 2nd paint scheme planes...the barney purple ones... just going with the new one it looks like... every plane the same..sad.. oh well737Jason wrote:Does anybody know what the fate of the Dessert Gold and Canyon blue livery’s will be, since the retirement of N711HK and N714CB are imminent, and they repainted Warrior one into the Heart livery.
airlineworker wrote:Hoping for HVN-BWI service. It's a short stage length and if the 737-700's work at EYW and it's 5076 foot runway, HVN's 5600 foot runway should work.
wnflyguy wrote:[twoid][/twoid]DaCubbyBearBar wrote:I am guessing that WN is doing away with special paint schemes.... They have eliminated 2 of the state planes I believe and the 2nd paint scheme planes...the barney purple ones... just going with the new one it looks like... every plane the same..sad.. oh well737Jason wrote:Does anybody know what the fate of the Dessert Gold and Canyon blue livery’s will be, since the retirement of N711HK and N714CB are imminent, and they repainted Warrior one into the Heart livery.
All Themed repaints have been put in Hold in this Pandemic cost control crisis. I believe a normal repaint schedules will resume in 2022. WN is adding about 35 extra MAX8 this year but will be used as a one for one retirement keeping standard liveries.
Its even been said that a special 50th anniversary paint job got shelved in the pandemic cost control plan.
Flyguy
WN732 wrote:wnflyguy wrote:[twoid][/twoid]DaCubbyBearBar wrote:I am guessing that WN is doing away with special paint schemes.... They have eliminated 2 of the state planes I believe and the 2nd paint scheme planes...the barney purple ones... just going with the new one it looks like... every plane the same..sad.. oh well
All Themed repaints have been put in Hold in this Pandemic cost control crisis. I believe a normal repaint schedules will resume in 2022. WN is adding about 35 extra MAX8 this year but will be used as a one for one retirement keeping standard liveries.
Its even been said that a special 50th anniversary paint job got shelved in the pandemic cost control plan.
Flyguy
That's truly a shame but completely understandable in the current environment.
Jshank83 wrote:Something I just happened to find interesting. WN seems to not be running many evening departures from some of the bigger stations. Saturday may be a bit different.
ATL - 1 flight after 6.
BNA - 4 flights after 5
OAK - 1 flight after 7
MCO - 4 flights after 6
FLL - 4 flights after 5 (2 of which are after 6 and both to BWI)
DAL - 4 after 6 (1 of which is after 7)
STL- nothing after 5.
I did take a little bit of liberty with some times. If there was for example a 6:05 flight lumped it in with before 6 because it’s close enough.
wnflyguy wrote:With AA&B6 being forced to give up 7 slots at JFK and 6 at DCA.
I'm going to say JFK definitely on the list for WN to add service to in 2021.
Unless United out bids them on the price.
Thoughts?
Flyguy
tphuang wrote:What do you think they can possibly fly with 7 slots that could work?
MIflyer12 wrote:tphuang wrote:What do you think they can possibly fly with 7 slots that could work?
That's a good question. I guess there are long-standing WN stations with seven or fewer flights a day (PWM comes to mind), but I can't think of such an airport with so few WN flights AND another WN airport just 1/2 an hour away and NYC costs.
tphuang wrote:wnflyguy wrote:With AA&B6 being forced to give up 7 slots at JFK and 6 at DCA.
I'm going to say JFK definitely on the list for WN to add service to in 2021.
Unless United out bids them on the price.
Thoughts?
Flyguy
What do you think they can possibly fly with 7 slots that could work?
wnflyguy wrote:tphuang wrote:wnflyguy wrote:With AA&B6 being forced to give up 7 slots at JFK and 6 at DCA.
I'm going to say JFK definitely on the list for WN to add service to in 2021.
Unless United out bids them on the price.
Thoughts?
Flyguy
What do you think they can possibly fly with 7 slots that could work?
I think you would probably see 3 MDW,3 DEN and 1 DAL.
Flyguy
tphuang wrote:wnflyguy wrote:With AA&B6 being forced to give up 7 slots at JFK and 6 at DCA.
I'm going to say JFK definitely on the list for WN to add service to in 2021.
Unless United out bids them on the price.
Thoughts?
Flyguy
What do you think they can possibly fly with 7 slots that could work?
wnflyguy wrote:With AA&B6 being forced to give up 7 slots at JFK and 6 at DCA.
Thoughts?
evank516 wrote:tphuang wrote:wnflyguy wrote:With AA&B6 being forced to give up 7 slots at JFK and 6 at DCA.
I'm going to say JFK definitely on the list for WN to add service to in 2021.
Unless United out bids them on the price.
Thoughts?
Flyguy
What do you think they can possibly fly with 7 slots that could work?
Are you forgetting that WN opened LGA with about that many slots? It was either 4x BWI and 3x MDW or the other way around.
Lavdumper wrote:Speaking of SWA's fleet, what are the odds that SWA places an A220 order in 2021? 50%? Less than 50%? Is the MAX 7 more likely even with the fleet concentration risk experienced with the MAX over the last few years? Obviously the Covid situation clouds the timing and decision making. Will we see an A220 in SWA colors in the next few years? Predictions?
AC4500 wrote:Lavdumper wrote:Speaking of SWA's fleet, what are the odds that SWA places an A220 order in 2021? 50%? Less than 50%? Is the MAX 7 more likely even with the fleet concentration risk experienced with the MAX over the last few years? Obviously the Covid situation clouds the timing and decision making. Will we see an A220 in SWA colors in the next few years? Predictions?
Never say never, but the chances of seeing an A220 in a WN livery are pretty slim. The only reason WN even touted the idea in the first place is to put pressure on Boeing. I'd give it a 10% chance.
Lavdumper wrote:Speaking of SWA's fleet, what are the odds that SWA places an A220 order in 2021? 50%? Less than 50%? Is the MAX 7 more likely even with the fleet concentration risk experienced with the MAX over the last few years? Obviously the Covid situation clouds the timing and decision making. Will we see an A220 in SWA colors in the next few years? Predictions?
wnflyguy wrote:Lavdumper wrote:Speaking of SWA's fleet, what are the odds that SWA places an A220 order in 2021? 50%? Less than 50%? Is the MAX 7 more likely even with the fleet concentration risk experienced with the MAX over the last few years? Obviously the Covid situation clouds the timing and decision making. Will we see an A220 in SWA colors in the next few years? Predictions?
Heck forget the A220 They still haven't taken the built MAX7 yet.
Strong speculation WN maybe walking away from the MAX7 causing Boeing to scrap the Line
Completely. I'm wondering if WN will shear some insight on the future of the MAX7 during the January 28th earnings call.
Flyguy
SWADawg wrote:wnflyguy wrote:Lavdumper wrote:Speaking of SWA's fleet, what are the odds that SWA places an A220 order in 2021? 50%? Less than 50%? Is the MAX 7 more likely even with the fleet concentration risk experienced with the MAX over the last few years? Obviously the Covid situation clouds the timing and decision making. Will we see an A220 in SWA colors in the next few years? Predictions?
Heck forget the A220 They still haven't taken the built MAX7 yet.
Strong speculation WN maybe walking away from the MAX7 causing Boeing to scrap the Line
Completely. I'm wondering if WN will shear some insight on the future of the MAX7 during the January 28th earnings call.
Flyguy
I highly doubt that they are walking away from the MAX7. There are over 500 -700’s that will need to be replaced and the MAX7 makes the most sense for WN from a fleet commonality perspective.
tphuang wrote:evank516 wrote:tphuang wrote:
What do you think they can possibly fly with 7 slots that could work?
Are you forgetting that WN opened LGA with about that many slots? It was either 4x BWI and 3x MDW or the other way around.
LGA and JFK don't have the same appeal for within perimeter destinations. WN had close to 20 flights at EWR and couldn't make it work.
Vctony wrote:WN really should return to EWR.
Vctony wrote:WN really should return to EWR.
jplatts wrote:Vctony wrote:WN really should return to EWR.
I agree that the return of WN to EWR might be a possibility with
(a) WN having fewer nonstops to NYC from MDW than it did prior to pulling out of EWR,
(b) WN having previously served a few beyond-LGA perimeter destinations such as AUS and PHX nonstop from EWR, and
(c) the amount of passengers that WN was carrying to the NYC market (LGA/EWR/ISP) exceeded the capacity available on WN LGA/ISP flights in the January 2019 - October 2019 time period.
WN might be able to get demand to NYC on WN back up to 2019 levels without re-entering EWR by upgauging more flights out of LGA and ISP to the 737-800 or 737 MAX 8.
While ISP is too far from the NYC boroughs, New Jersey, and Westchester County to be a viable alternative to LGA/JFK/EWR for those going to the NYC boroughs, New Jersey, or Westchester County, WN re-adding MDW-ISP nonstop service would give those traveling to Long Island suburbs additional options on WN.
WN has lost market share on travel to the NYC metro area from other parts of the U.S. subsequent to WN pulling out of EWR, and WN probably would not be able to get the same market share to the NYC metro area that it did prior to the EWR pullout, even with upgauging of WN flights out of LGA/ISP or adds by WN out of ISP, due to
(a) the adds that were made by B6, F9, and NK out of EWR subsequent to WN pulling out of EWR,
(b) some of those traveling to EWR choosing to stick with other airlines such as UA, B6, F9, or NK over WN, even if WN re-enters EWR,
(c) most of the markets that WN previously served nonstop from EWR now having nonstop service to EWR on B6, F9, and/or NK,
(d) some of those traveling to the NYC metro area choosing EWR over LGA, JFK, or ISP, and
(e) the significant decrease in demand to the NYC market during the COVID-19 pandemic.