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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Fri Jun 18, 2021 6:18 pm

OzarkD9S wrote:
iAvgeek737 wrote:

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Quick list of Flag Etiquette Don’ts:

Don’t dip the U.S. Flag for any person, flag, or vessel.
Don’t let the flag touch the ground.
Don’t fly flag upside down unless there is an emergency.
Don’t carry the flag flat, or carry things in it.
Don’t use the flag as clothing.
Don’t store the flag where it can get dirty.
Don’t use it as a cover.
Don’t fasten it or tie it back. Always allow it to fall free.
Don’t draw on, or otherwise mark the flag.
Don’t use the flag for decoration. Use bunting with the blue on top, then white, then red.

Epic Fail WN. :mad:


Best part about this is it isnt a real flag. Its a reason why the tail on AA aircraft dont have stars and are missing stripes. Virgin America also didnt have the full number of stars and stripes on
their winglets. Both of these apply to WN's new livery. Not a fail at all
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Fri Jun 18, 2021 6:20 pm

Looks great to me. A nice throwback to the "Symbol of Freedom" days, which in my opinion, was the best company slogan they have ever had. People quoting flag etiquette better never wear an American flag tie or lapel pin. That's definitely used for decoration.

Smdh, no one is ever happy on this forum. United orders supersonic jets? "Going to fail." American with electric VTOLs? "Stupid." Cool new livery that is better than the everyday eurowhite. "We all hate it." Come on people....

I wonder if part of the announcement today will be service to the last few states WN doesn't serve. 50 states for the 50th anniversary has a good PR ring to it. Would fit the livery quite well.

What's left? ND, SD, WY, WV and AK?
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Fri Jun 18, 2021 6:52 pm

OzarkD9S wrote:
iAvgeek737 wrote:

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Quick list of Flag Etiquette Don’ts:

Don’t dip the U.S. Flag for any person, flag, or vessel.
Don’t let the flag touch the ground.
Don’t fly flag upside down unless there is an emergency.
Don’t carry the flag flat, or carry things in it.
Don’t use the flag as clothing.
Don’t store the flag where it can get dirty.
Don’t use it as a cover.
Don’t fasten it or tie it back. Always allow it to fall free.
Don’t draw on, or otherwise mark the flag.
Don’t use the flag for decoration. Use bunting with the blue on top, then white, then red.

Epic Fail WN. :mad:



The only "fail" here is your understanding of those rules. That livery is not a flag.
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Fri Jun 18, 2021 6:57 pm

barney captain wrote:
OzarkD9S wrote:
iAvgeek737 wrote:

Image


Quick list of Flag Etiquette Don’ts:

Don’t dip the U.S. Flag for any person, flag, or vessel.
Don’t let the flag touch the ground.
Don’t fly flag upside down unless there is an emergency.
Don’t carry the flag flat, or carry things in it.
Don’t use the flag as clothing.
Don’t store the flag where it can get dirty.
Don’t use it as a cover.
Don’t fasten it or tie it back. Always allow it to fall free.
Don’t draw on, or otherwise mark the flag.
Don’t use the flag for decoration. Use bunting with the blue on top, then white, then red.

Epic Fail WN. :mad:



The only "fail" here is your understanding of those rules. That livery is not a flag.


Blue field with white stars? :checkmark:
Red and white stripes? :checkmark:
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Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Fri Jun 18, 2021 6:58 pm

9lflyguy wrote:
Looks great to me. A nice throwback to the "Symbol of Freedom" days, which in my opinion, was the best company slogan they have ever had. People quoting flag etiquette better never wear an American flag tie or lapel pin. That's definitely used for decoration.

Smdh, no one is ever happy on this forum. United orders supersonic jets? "Going to fail." American with electric VTOLs? "Stupid." Cool new livery that is better than the everyday eurowhite. "We all hate it." Come on people....

I wonder if part of the announcement today will be service to the last few states WN doesn't serve. 50 states for the 50th anniversary has a good PR ring to it. Would fit the livery quite well.

What's left? ND, SD, WY, WV and AK?

Would be cool, but I doubt it that’s the case. Also, I think you missed VT and DE..


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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:00 pm

[/quote]I wonder if part of the announcement today will be service to the last few states WN doesn't serve. 50 states for the 50th anniversary has a good PR ring to it. Would fit the livery quite well.

What's left? ND, SD, WY, WV and AK?[/quote]

Hmm, that would be interesting.

CHO, FAR, RAP would be interesting adds

JAC add would make me happy

Any Alaska add would send me through the roof! (Especially if they went after AS in intra-Alaska)
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:02 pm

Has the rally started yet ?
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:33 pm

9lflyguy wrote:
Looks great to me. A nice throwback to the "Symbol of Freedom" days, which in my opinion, was the best company slogan they have ever had. People quoting flag etiquette better never wear an American flag tie or lapel pin. That's definitely used for decoration.

Smdh, no one is ever happy on this forum. United orders supersonic jets? "Going to fail." American with electric VTOLs? "Stupid." Cool new livery that is better than the everyday eurowhite. "We all hate it." Come on people....

I wonder if part of the announcement today will be service to the last few states WN doesn't serve. 50 states for the 50th anniversary has a good PR ring to it. Would fit the livery quite well.

What's left? ND, SD, WY, WV and AK?


DE, VT
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:33 pm

OzarkD9S wrote:
barney captain wrote:
OzarkD9S wrote:

Quick list of Flag Etiquette Don’ts:

Don’t dip the U.S. Flag for any person, flag, or vessel.
Don’t let the flag touch the ground.
Don’t fly flag upside down unless there is an emergency.
Don’t carry the flag flat, or carry things in it.
Don’t use the flag as clothing.
Don’t store the flag where it can get dirty.
Don’t use it as a cover.
Don’t fasten it or tie it back. Always allow it to fall free.
Don’t draw on, or otherwise mark the flag.
Don’t use the flag for decoration. Use bunting with the blue on top, then white, then red.

Epic Fail WN. :mad:



The only "fail" here is your understanding of those rules. That livery is not a flag.


Blue field with white stars? :checkmark:
Red and white stripes? :checkmark:


Again, it is not a physical flag. Those rules pertain to a flag, made of cloth, designed to fly from a flag pole. A livery of a flag is not a flag.
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:39 pm

Wneast wrote:
Has the rally started yet ?

Watching now
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:42 pm

OzarkD9S wrote:
barney captain wrote:
OzarkD9S wrote:

Quick list of Flag Etiquette Don’ts:

Don’t dip the U.S. Flag for any person, flag, or vessel.
Don’t let the flag touch the ground.
Don’t fly flag upside down unless there is an emergency.
Don’t carry the flag flat, or carry things in it.
Don’t use the flag as clothing.
Don’t store the flag where it can get dirty.
Don’t use it as a cover.
Don’t fasten it or tie it back. Always allow it to fall free.
Don’t draw on, or otherwise mark the flag.
Don’t use the flag for decoration. Use bunting with the blue on top, then white, then red.

Epic Fail WN. :mad:



The only "fail" here is your understanding of those rules. That livery is not a flag.


Blue field with white stars? :checkmark:
Red and white stripes? :checkmark:


This is a really weird hill to die on.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:46 pm

50000 rapid reward points
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:48 pm

Glad it is not a Hawaii One livery. Oklahoma One should be a thing before Hawaii One. In fact, OK One should have been a thing many years ago.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:48 pm

Wow! All WN employees get 50,000 RR points!
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:52 pm

Freedom One
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:55 pm

That's it!
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:57 pm

OzarkD9S wrote:
barney captain wrote:
OzarkD9S wrote:

Quick list of Flag Etiquette Don’ts:

Don’t dip the U.S. Flag for any person, flag, or vessel.
Don’t let the flag touch the ground.
Don’t fly flag upside down unless there is an emergency.
Don’t carry the flag flat, or carry things in it.
Don’t use the flag as clothing.
Don’t store the flag where it can get dirty.
Don’t use it as a cover.
Don’t fasten it or tie it back. Always allow it to fall free.
Don’t draw on, or otherwise mark the flag.
Don’t use the flag for decoration. Use bunting with the blue on top, then white, then red.

Epic Fail WN. :mad:



The only "fail" here is your understanding of those rules. That livery is not a flag.


Blue field with white stars? :checkmark:
Red and white stripes? :checkmark:


The flag code applies to actual literal flags, like the ones you would hang on a flag pole. Not depictions and representations of the US flag as so many people seem to think.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:07 pm

TPG has a few higher resolution shots: https://thepointsguy.com/news/southwest ... ry-points/
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:09 pm

So it was just a livery reveal ?
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:16 pm

This is also the first time they have pained the engine mounts as part of the special livery. Interesting.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:22 pm

Polot wrote:
OzarkD9S wrote:
barney captain wrote:


The only "fail" here is your understanding of those rules. That livery is not a flag.


Blue field with white stars? :checkmark:
Red and white stripes? :checkmark:


The flag code applies to actual literal flags, like the ones you would hang on a flag pole. Not depictions and representations of the US flag as so many people seem to think.


Don't like the US flag used on tee shirts, hats, face masks, swimsuits etc...That's just me.
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:23 pm

Are the winglets bare white, or do they have the flag on them too?
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:28 pm

Wneast wrote:
So it was just a livery reveal ?


Yes, you seem disappointed even though many others stated nothing huge would take place.

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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Fri Jun 18, 2021 9:16 pm

737Jason wrote:
Are the winglets bare white, or do they have the flag on them too?


The winglets are the same color as the wings. Light grey.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Fri Jun 18, 2021 11:15 pm

    SXDFC wrote:
    737Jason wrote:
    Are the winglets bare white, or do they have the flag on them too?


    The winglets are the same color as the wings. Light grey.


    On an interesting note they painted the engine pylons red.
     
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    Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

    Sat Jun 19, 2021 12:30 am

    WN732 wrote:
      SXDFC wrote:
      737Jason wrote:
      Are the winglets bare white, or do they have the flag on them too?


      The winglets are the same color as the wings. Light grey.


      On an interesting note they painted the engine pylons red.


      The red engine pylons maintain the continuity of the red stripe across the fuselage.
       
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      Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

      Sat Jun 19, 2021 12:53 am

      orlandocfi wrote:
      WN732 wrote:
        SXDFC wrote:

        The winglets are the same color as the wings. Light grey.


        On an interesting note they painted the engine pylons red.


        The red engine pylons maintain the continuity of the red stripe across the fuselage.


        Yes, but they have never painted those with a special livery before. Just the flap canoes.
         
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        Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

        Sat Jun 19, 2021 1:08 am

        WN732 wrote:
        orlandocfi wrote:
        WN732 wrote:

          On an interesting note they painted the engine pylons red.


          The red engine pylons maintain the continuity of the red stripe across the fuselage.


          Yes, but they have never painted those with a special livery before. Just the flap canoes.


          All the special liveries have the engine pylons and cowlings painted to maintain continuity with the images on the fuselage. Maybe it’s just more noticeable with this particular paint job.
           
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          Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

          Sat Jun 19, 2021 1:09 am

          WN732 wrote:
          orlandocfi wrote:
          WN732 wrote:

            On an interesting note they painted the engine pylons red.


            The red engine pylons maintain the continuity of the red stripe across the fuselage.


            Yes, but they have never painted those with a special livery before. Just the flap canoes.

            And as of late, they've barely done the canoes either.
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            Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

            Sat Jun 19, 2021 1:10 am

            orlandocfi wrote:
            WN732 wrote:
            orlandocfi wrote:

            The red engine pylons maintain the continuity of the red stripe across the fuselage.


            Yes, but they have never painted those with a special livery before. Just the flap canoes.


            All the special liveries have the engine pylons and cowlings painted to maintain continuity with the images on the fuselage. Maybe it’s just more noticeable with this particular paint job.



            All the pylons on all the other specialty planes are grey, just like the wings. This is the first WN special to have a painted engine pylon..
             
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            Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

            Sat Jun 19, 2021 1:14 am

            SXDFC wrote:
            orlandocfi wrote:
            WN732 wrote:

            Yes, but they have never painted those with a special livery before. Just the flap canoes.


            All the special liveries have the engine pylons and cowlings painted to maintain continuity with the images on the fuselage. Maybe it’s just more noticeable with this particular paint job.



            All the pylons on all the other specialty planes are grey, just like the wings. This is the first WN special to have a painted engine pylon..


            I stand corrected! The ones I was looking at appeared to have painted pylons but are definitely gray on closer inspection.
             
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            Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

            Sat Jun 19, 2021 1:21 am

            KLMatSJC wrote:
            WN732 wrote:
            orlandocfi wrote:

            The red engine pylons maintain the continuity of the red stripe across the fuselage.


            Yes, but they have never painted those with a special livery before. Just the flap canoes.

            And as of late, they've barely done the canoes either.


            Yes I've noticed that too. Very odd. Missouri One still has the blue after getting a new paint job. I flew on her recently but even New Mexico One went to gray. I flew on New Mexico about 10 years ago and they were yellow. Idk what the deal is with the canoes but it is very hit or miss.
             
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            Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

            Sat Jun 19, 2021 1:35 am

            WN732 wrote:
            KLMatSJC wrote:
            WN732 wrote:

            Yes, but they have never painted those with a special livery before. Just the flap canoes.

            And as of late, they've barely done the canoes either.


            Yes I've noticed that too. Very odd. Missouri One still has the blue after getting a new paint job. I flew on her recently but even New Mexico One went to gray. I flew on New Mexico about 10 years ago and they were yellow. Idk what the deal is with the canoes but it is very hit or miss.

            Wow, I didn't realize that one went unpainted. I really love the painted canoes. Definitely a cool touch. Probably my least favorite thing about the new livery.
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            Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

            Sat Jun 19, 2021 5:02 am

            Here is a better photo of the new livery, right here on the database:

            Image
             
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            Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

            Sat Jun 19, 2021 5:25 am

            Does anyone know what the N500WR registration is referencing? They registered it that 7 years ago, so I assume they didn't have this 50th celebration in mind then and just chose this plane now because it has a 50 in it. But, who knows, maybe it was planned.
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            Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

            Sat Jun 19, 2021 6:34 am

            masonite wrote:
            Does anyone know what the N500WR registration is referencing? They registered it that 7 years ago, so I assume they didn't have this 50th celebration in mind then and just chose this plane now because it has a 50 in it. But, who knows, maybe it was planned.

            Cute. No. It was planned for a repaint. If you should know one thing about southwest—they are much too cheap to pull a perfectly good and freshly painted plane out of service.


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            Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

            Sat Jun 19, 2021 8:22 am

            masonite wrote:
            Does anyone know what the N500WR registration is referencing? They registered it that 7 years ago, so I assume they didn't have this 50th celebration in mind then and just chose this plane now because it has a 50 in it. But, who knows, maybe it was planned.


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            Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

            Sat Jun 19, 2021 5:24 pm

            Here’s a video of painting Freedom One N500WR. I personally thank each of you who have served our country.

            https://youtu.be/T_XgX3Sirrc

            I liked the music they chose for this video.
             
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            Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

            Sat Jun 19, 2021 6:44 pm

            Veigar wrote:
            Here is a better photo of the new livery, right here on the database:

            Image



            I think IMHO it looks great.
             
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            Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

            Sun Jun 20, 2021 12:05 am

            Cargolux 748 was nice enough to take the top of a winglet off tonight at ORD.
             
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            Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

            Mon Jun 21, 2021 9:34 pm

            A previous topic on repaints has been locked. With the new livery on N500WR, I went through photographs since 1st January, 2021

            I found 10 more aircraft in the Heart livery:
            N217JC
            N225WN
            N237WN
            N241WN
            N253WN
            N275WN
            N287WN
            N7704B
            N7735A
            N965WN

            and updated the google sheets listings. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... edit#gid=0

            At this stage, 170 aircraft still not yet noted in Heart livery.
             
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            Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

            Mon Jun 21, 2021 9:44 pm

            Veigar wrote:
            Here is a better photo of the new livery, right here on the database:

            Image



            If the goal was making the tackiest livery possible then this is a resounding success.
             
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            Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

            Mon Jun 21, 2021 10:10 pm

            trueblew wrote:
            Veigar wrote:
            Here is a better photo of the new livery, right here on the database:

            Image



            If the goal was making the tackiest livery possible then this is a resounding success.


            The US flag in respect to marketing hit its largest stride in the several years following 9/11; for obvious reasons. The past ten or so years it has morphed into the marketing theme of Harley Davidson motorcycles and cheap "tough guy" apparel and merchandise . It does not have the mass appeal as it did 20 years ago. This livery reflects that. It is far beyond time that the bastardization of our flag be phased out of advertising and corporate messaging, and returning it to its glory as the country's flag. No more flag-branded T-shirts, dew rags, coffee cups, and toilet paper roll holders. If you want to respect the flag, buy a flag and hang it up outside your house and follow the flag code.

            Surprising they went this route with a 50th livery; something better representing their history, their people, and their vision of the future would have been far more pleasing.
             
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            Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

            Mon Jun 21, 2021 10:44 pm

            jetmatt777 wrote:
            trueblew wrote:
            Veigar wrote:
            Here is a better photo of the new livery, right here on the database:

            Image



            If the goal was making the tackiest livery possible then this is a resounding success.


            The US flag in respect to marketing hit its largest stride in the several years following 9/11; for obvious reasons. The past ten or so years it has morphed into the marketing theme of Harley Davidson motorcycles and cheap "tough guy" apparel and merchandise . It does not have the mass appeal as it did 20 years ago. This livery reflects that. It is far beyond time that the bastardization of our flag be phased out of advertising and corporate messaging, and returning it to its glory as the country's flag. No more flag-branded T-shirts, dew rags, coffee cups, and toilet paper roll holders. If you want to respect the flag, buy a flag and hang it up outside your house and follow the flag code.

            Surprising they went this route with a 50th livery; something better representing their history, their people, and their vision of the future would have been far more pleasing.


            I agree with your assessment. I really think this was a missed opportunity to honor our military branches with a special plane, especially considering the large numbers of active and retired military employees at Southwest. Alaska has a very nice paint job to honor military personnel.
             
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            Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

            Mon Jun 21, 2021 10:57 pm

            orlandocfi wrote:
            jetmatt777 wrote:
            trueblew wrote:


            If the goal was making the tackiest livery possible then this is a resounding success.


            The US flag in respect to marketing hit its largest stride in the several years following 9/11; for obvious reasons. The past ten or so years it has morphed into the marketing theme of Harley Davidson motorcycles and cheap "tough guy" apparel and merchandise . It does not have the mass appeal as it did 20 years ago. This livery reflects that. It is far beyond time that the bastardization of our flag be phased out of advertising and corporate messaging, and returning it to its glory as the country's flag. No more flag-branded T-shirts, dew rags, coffee cups, and toilet paper roll holders. If you want to respect the flag, buy a flag and hang it up outside your house and follow the flag code.

            Surprising they went this route with a 50th livery; something better representing their history, their people, and their vision of the future would have been far more pleasing.


            I agree with your assessment. I really think this was a missed opportunity to honor our military branches with a special plane, especially considering the large numbers of active and retired military employees at Southwest. Alaska has a very nice paint job to honor military personnel.

            Meh, as a veteran myself with more deployments than toes on my feet and fingers on my hand, and who also proudly hangs a flag on my front lawn, I honestly see no problem with the paint scheme. It’s sad we live in a world where literally anything, such as pride in your own nation can be misconstrued as offensive or “bastardized”.
            My statements do not represent my former employer or my current employer and are my opinions only.
             
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            Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

            Mon Jun 21, 2021 11:18 pm

            n562wn wrote:
            orlandocfi wrote:
            jetmatt777 wrote:

            The US flag in respect to marketing hit its largest stride in the several years following 9/11; for obvious reasons. The past ten or so years it has morphed into the marketing theme of Harley Davidson motorcycles and cheap "tough guy" apparel and merchandise . It does not have the mass appeal as it did 20 years ago. This livery reflects that. It is far beyond time that the bastardization of our flag be phased out of advertising and corporate messaging, and returning it to its glory as the country's flag. No more flag-branded T-shirts, dew rags, coffee cups, and toilet paper roll holders. If you want to respect the flag, buy a flag and hang it up outside your house and follow the flag code.

            Surprising they went this route with a 50th livery; something better representing their history, their people, and their vision of the future would have been far more pleasing.


            I agree with your assessment. I really think this was a missed opportunity to honor our military branches with a special plane, especially considering the large numbers of active and retired military employees at Southwest. Alaska has a very nice paint job to honor military personnel.

            Meh, as a veteran myself with more deployments than toes on my feet and fingers on my hand, and who also proudly hangs a flag on my front lawn, I honestly see no problem with the paint scheme. It’s sad we live in a world where literally anything, such as pride in your own nation can be misconstrued as offensive or “bastardized”.


            Doesn't offend me in the slightest, but they are still trying to ride the patriotism wave of 2001-2006 where EVERYONE had a US flag T-shirt, hat, or doo-dad. As far as marketing goes, the country has moved on from the 9/11 wave of everything having to incorporate the US flag into a design, or you were seen as un-American. So, for that reason it is surprising they didn't do something less patriotic, and more reflective of the 50 years of history at WN that don't involve the 5 years after 9/11. A livery designed to recognize every Southwest employee past and present, and not just those who were in the military would be far more appropriate for such a large milestone in a company's timeline.
             
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            Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

            Mon Jun 21, 2021 11:43 pm

            jetmatt777 wrote:
            n562wn wrote:
            orlandocfi wrote:

            I agree with your assessment. I really think this was a missed opportunity to honor our military branches with a special plane, especially considering the large numbers of active and retired military employees at Southwest. Alaska has a very nice paint job to honor military personnel.

            Meh, as a veteran myself with more deployments than toes on my feet and fingers on my hand, and who also proudly hangs a flag on my front lawn, I honestly see no problem with the paint scheme. It’s sad we live in a world where literally anything, such as pride in your own nation can be misconstrued as offensive or “bastardized”.


            Doesn't offend me in the slightest, but they are still trying to ride the patriotism wave of 2001-2006 where EVERYONE had a US flag T-shirt, hat, or doo-dad. As far as marketing goes, the country has moved on from the 9/11 wave of everything having to incorporate the US flag into a design, or you were seen as un-American. So, for that reason it is surprising they didn't do something less patriotic, and more reflective of the 50 years of history at WN that don't involve the 5 years after 9/11. A livery designed to recognize every Southwest employee past and present, and not just those who were in the military would be far more appropriate for such a large milestone in a company's timeline.


            I personally love the livery. Also, patriotism goes way beyond 9/11. If you do a quick Wikipedia search on what happened during the last 50 years, you might get an idea of why this was the livery of choice for them. The US has its flaws, as all countries do, but it is a great country to look up to in many categories, freedom included.
            avi8
             
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            Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

            Tue Jun 22, 2021 3:07 am

            Anyone have any idea what N749SW is doing in El Salvador? I've been following the aircraft since I flew on it on 6/9; went HOU-SAL on 6/10 and no flights since then.
             
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            Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

            Tue Jun 22, 2021 3:22 am

            FlyingMSY wrote:
            Anyone have any idea what N749SW is doing in El Salvador? I've been following the aircraft since I flew on it on 6/9; went HOU-SAL on 6/10 and no flights since then.

            WN sends overflow Heavy MX to SAL.

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            Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

            Tue Jun 22, 2021 3:34 am

            This is me kind of just piecing together some things. Feel free to tell me how wrong I am.

            Could there be an AA like situation coming to WN? Maybe they are getting ahead of it faster but they seem to be spread pretty thin with the new stations, I’ve heard rumblings the schedule isn’t really all the feasible for upcoming months so more cuts are likely. You already have crazy high airfares and high loads so rebooking could be a mess. Bad weather and if they have more tech issues just add to it. It just seems like a much less smaller margin of error than normal.

            Might end up not being a big deal but something I’ve thought about recently.

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