tphuang wrote:

this seems huge. Didn't even give the poor guy a chance to find another opening as a face saving out. Either a huge disagreement over something or getting punished for something like overscheduling over the summer time.

Flflyer83 wrote:

tphuang wrote:

this seems huge. Didn't even give the poor guy a chance to find another opening as a face saving out. Either a huge disagreement over something or getting punished for something like overscheduling over the summer time.

Or he’s stepping back for family reasons and is remaining in an advising/consulting position… he’s wife had brain cancer previously and he stepped away back then to care for her as well. Hopefully she doesn’t have a recurrence, but it could be a reason totally unrelated to SWA / operations.

https://www.seattletimes.com/business/n ... le-skills/

Wneast wrote:

wnflyguy wrote:

Anyone looking to Become a Flight Attendant at Southwest? They are taking Applications at 13:00 Herb on Thursday September 16th.
Almost 4000 FA jobs to be filled.
Sounds like most will end up at LAX,OAK and DEN.

Good luck.
Flyguy

You still hearing all the same chatter for the Thursday extension ?

WN732 wrote:

AUS-MCO adds a daily trip to 4x, and 3x on Sat.

Midwestindy wrote:

WN732 wrote:

AUS-MCO adds a daily trip to 4x, and 3x on Sat.

More AUS adds, including AUS-AMA/ONT/MAF

Midwestindy wrote:

https://www.swamedia.com/releases/release-66d1c9ae7fd4aa2df09a33d5864c46ae-book-today-southwest-airlines-extends-flight-schedule-through-april-24-2022

Austin’s Hometown Carrier Expands

With the population of Texas’ capital city continuing to grow, Southwest® is investing more service than ever before in central Texas. Already the largest carrier serving Austin for at least three decades, Southwest plans to increase service on March 10, 2022 by more than 20 flights a day with nonstop service between Austin and nine new and returning destinations, as well as add additional frequencies on routes already served from the capital of Texas. In total, Southwest now will offer nonstop service between Austin and 46 destinations on up to 105 departures a day.

New Destinations
Beginning March 10, 2022, Southwest’s schedule includes daily nonstop service between:

Austin and Amarillo, Texas
Austin and Charleston, S.C.
Austin and Columbus, Ohio (will also operate during peak holiday travel periods in 2021)
Austin and Midland/Odessa, Texas (previously flown nonstop in 2009)
Austin and Ontario, Calif.

More Beaches, Please
On March 12, 2022, Southwest plans to start new international service between Austin and Puerto Vallarta, Mexico, subject to requisite government approvals. The same day, seasonal weekly flights are scheduled to return on Saturdays between:

Austin and Panama City Beach, Fla.
Austin and Sarasota/Bradenton
Austin and Destin/Fort Walton Beach

“We’re celebrating a growing Customer base in Central Texas with this major investment designed specifically for Austin’s business and leisure travelers,” said Dave Harvey, Southwest’s Vice President of Southwest Business. “As we continue to strengthen our network in Austin, Customers will see more flights on key routes as well as new destinations across our map, while enjoying Southwest’s world-famous Hospitality.”

This week also marks a major milestone for Southwest Airlines and the Austin community. The airline first began serving Austin on Sept. 15, 1977.


Winter and Spring Flights between the Mainland and Hawaii
Beginning Feb. 17, 2022, Southwest is prepared to give Customers across the country more options to reach Hawaii, with additional connections made possible by increased service on existing routes, such as:

Phoenix and Honolulu (two daily roundtrips*)
San Diego and Kona (one daily roundtrip)
Sacramento and Kona (one roundtrip on Mondays, Wednesdays, Fridays, and Sundays)
San Jose, Calf. and Lihue (one daily roundtrip)
San Diego and Maui (two daily roundtrips*)
Sacramento and Maui (daily service with an additional roundtrip on Tuesdays, Thursdays, and Saturdays)
*initial eastbound service from Hawaii to both Phoenix and San Diego begins Feb. 18, 2022


New Domestic and International Routes
Building on its foundation as a point-to-point airline, starting Jan. 17, 2022, Southwest’s schedule now includes nonstop service between Albuquerque and Burbank, giving Customers traveling between New Mexico and the San Fernando Valley a quicker journey.

Southwest also is giving Customers new ways to get passport stamps with new and returning international routes. On February 17, 2022, Southwest plans to resume seasonal daily nonstop service between Fort Lauderdale and Punta Cana, Dominican Republic. On March 12, 2022, the airline plans to start seasonal nonstop service on Saturdays between Denver and Cozumel, Mexico, subject to requisite government approvals

Midwestindy wrote:

In total, Southwest now will offer nonstop service between Austin and 46 destinations on up to 105 departures a day.

Midwestindy wrote:

https://www.swamedia.com/releases/release-66d1c9ae7fd4aa2df09a33d5864c46ae-book-today-southwest-airlines-extends-flight-schedule-through-april-24-2022

Austin’s Hometown Carrier Expands

With the population of Texas’ capital city continuing to grow, Southwest® is investing more service than ever before in central Texas. Already the largest carrier serving Austin for at least three decades, Southwest plans to increase service on March 10, 2022 by more than 20 flights a day with nonstop service between Austin and nine new and returning destinations, as well as add additional frequencies on routes already served from the capital of Texas. In total, Southwest now will offer nonstop service between Austin and 46 destinations on up to 105 departures a day.

New Destinations
Beginning March 10, 2022, Southwest’s schedule includes daily nonstop service between:

Austin and Amarillo, Texas
Austin and Charleston, S.C.
Austin and Columbus, Ohio (will also operate during peak holiday travel periods in 2021)
Austin and Midland/Odessa, Texas (previously flown nonstop in 2009)
Austin and Ontario, Calif.

More Beaches, Please
On March 12, 2022, Southwest plans to start new international service between Austin and Puerto Vallarta, Mexico, subject to requisite government approvals. The same day, seasonal weekly flights are scheduled to return on Saturdays between:

Austin and Panama City Beach, Fla.
Austin and Sarasota/Bradenton
Austin and Destin/Fort Walton Beach

“We’re celebrating a growing Customer base in Central Texas with this major investment designed specifically for Austin’s business and leisure travelers,” said Dave Harvey, Southwest’s Vice President of Southwest Business. “As we continue to strengthen our network in Austin, Customers will see more flights on key routes as well as new destinations across our map, while enjoying Southwest’s world-famous Hospitality.”

This week also marks a major milestone for Southwest Airlines and the Austin community. The airline first began serving Austin on Sept. 15, 1977.


Winter and Spring Flights between the Mainland and Hawaii
Beginning Feb. 17, 2022, Southwest is prepared to give Customers across the country more options to reach Hawaii, with additional connections made possible by increased service on existing routes, such as:

Phoenix and Honolulu (two daily roundtrips*)
San Diego and Kona (one daily roundtrip)
Sacramento and Kona (one roundtrip on Mondays, Wednesdays, Fridays, and Sundays)
San Jose, Calf. and Lihue (one daily roundtrip)
San Diego and Maui (two daily roundtrips*)
Sacramento and Maui (daily service with an additional roundtrip on Tuesdays, Thursdays, and Saturdays)
*initial eastbound service from Hawaii to both Phoenix and San Diego begins Feb. 18, 2022


New Domestic and International Routes
Building on its foundation as a point-to-point airline, starting Jan. 17, 2022, Southwest’s schedule now includes nonstop service between Albuquerque and Burbank, giving Customers traveling between New Mexico and the San Fernando Valley a quicker journey.

Southwest also is giving Customers new ways to get passport stamps with new and returning international routes. On February 17, 2022, Southwest plans to resume seasonal daily nonstop service between Fort Lauderdale and Punta Cana, Dominican Republic. On March 12, 2022, the airline plans to start seasonal nonstop service on Saturdays between Denver and Cozumel, Mexico, subject to requisite government approvals

ScottB wrote:

Midwestindy wrote:

In total, Southwest now will offer nonstop service between Austin and 46 destinations on up to 105 departures a day.

Doesn't look like WN is going to make it easy for AA or DL to build up a focus city at AUS, apparently.

tphuang wrote:

are they going to have enough gates for this many departures?

tphuang wrote:

are they going to have enough gates for this many departures?

ScottB wrote:

Midwestindy wrote:

In total, Southwest now will offer nonstop service between Austin and 46 destinations on up to 105 departures a day.

Doesn't look like WN is going to make it easy for AA or DL to build up a focus city at AUS, apparently.

ScottB wrote:

tphuang wrote:

are they going to have enough gates for this many departures?

8 gates probably aren't enough for 100+ daily departures, but they may be planning to use common-use gates for some. It wouldn't surprise me if that's partly a tactic to keep competitors from growing (until the satellite concourse opens) by tying up city gates.

Midwestindy wrote:

Out of the top 20 markets from AUS, AA is pretty competitive with WN. Out of the top 20, I'd only consider WN larger than AA in 9 of the markets.

AA has done a good job picking its battles.

tphuang wrote:

are they going to have enough gates for this many departures?

wnflyguy wrote:

tphuang wrote:

are they going to have enough gates for this many departures?

LAX during its T1 redevelopment operated 118 flights out of 9 gates so AUS should be fine.

Enjoy or Don’t
Flyguy

Western727 wrote:

wnflyguy wrote:

tphuang wrote:

are they going to have enough gates for this many departures?

LAX during its T1 redevelopment operated 118 flights out of 9 gates so AUS should be fine.

Enjoy or Don’t
Flyguy

AUS's management has also announced the coming use of hardstands as a stopgap before the new terminal is built. I'm pretty sure NK would be the first to use hardstands; they don't use the South terminal like F9 and G4 do, because NK flies international flights; the South terminal has no FIS facility and since F9/G4 have no int'l flights, the South terminal works for them. Anyway, booting NK out of the CUTE gates to the hardstands should help free up jetway capacity for WN and others if needed.

Jshank83 wrote:

Western727 wrote:

wnflyguy wrote:

LAX during its T1 redevelopment operated 118 flights out of 9 gates so AUS should be fine.

Enjoy or Don’t
Flyguy

AUS's management has also announced the coming use of hardstands as a stopgap before the new terminal is built. I'm pretty sure NK would be the first to use hardstands; they don't use the South terminal like F9 and G4 do, because NK flies international flights; the South terminal has no FIS facility and since F9/G4 have no int'l flights, the South terminal works for them. Anyway, booting NK out of the CUTE gates to the hardstands should help free up jetway capacity for WN and others if needed.

Why does NK get booted. Just curious on your reasoning. Don't they pay the same fees as everyone else for space?

Midwestindy wrote:

https://www.swamedia.com/releases/release-66d1c9ae7fd4aa2df09a33d5864c46ae-book-today-southwest-airlines-extends-flight-schedule-through-april-24-2022

Austin’s Hometown Carrier Expands

With the population of Texas’ capital city continuing to grow, Southwest® is investing more service than ever before in central Texas. Already the largest carrier serving Austin for at least three decades, Southwest plans to increase service on March 10, 2022 by more than 20 flights a day with nonstop service between Austin and nine new and returning destinations, as well as add additional frequencies on routes already served from the capital of Texas. In total, Southwest now will offer nonstop service between Austin and 46 destinations on up to 105 departures a day.

New Destinations
Beginning March 10, 2022, Southwest’s schedule includes daily nonstop service between:

Austin and Amarillo, Texas
Austin and Charleston, S.C.
Austin and Columbus, Ohio (will also operate during peak holiday travel periods in 2021)
Austin and Midland/Odessa, Texas (previously flown nonstop in 2009)
Austin and Ontario, Calif.

More Beaches, Please
On March 12, 2022, Southwest plans to start new international service between Austin and Puerto Vallarta, Mexico, subject to requisite government approvals. The same day, seasonal weekly flights are scheduled to return on Saturdays between:

Austin and Panama City Beach, Fla.
Austin and Sarasota/Bradenton
Austin and Destin/Fort Walton Beach

“We’re celebrating a growing Customer base in Central Texas with this major investment designed specifically for Austin’s business and leisure travelers,” said Dave Harvey, Southwest’s Vice President of Southwest Business. “As we continue to strengthen our network in Austin, Customers will see more flights on key routes as well as new destinations across our map, while enjoying Southwest’s world-famous Hospitality.”

This week also marks a major milestone for Southwest Airlines and the Austin community. The airline first began serving Austin on Sept. 15, 1977.


Winter and Spring Flights between the Mainland and Hawaii
Beginning Feb. 17, 2022, Southwest is prepared to give Customers across the country more options to reach Hawaii, with additional connections made possible by increased service on existing routes, such as:

Phoenix and Honolulu (two daily roundtrips*)
San Diego and Kona (one daily roundtrip)
Sacramento and Kona (one roundtrip on Mondays, Wednesdays, Fridays, and Sundays)
San Jose, Calf. and Lihue (one daily roundtrip)
San Diego and Maui (two daily roundtrips*)
Sacramento and Maui (daily service with an additional roundtrip on Tuesdays, Thursdays, and Saturdays)
*initial eastbound service from Hawaii to both Phoenix and San Diego begins Feb. 18, 2022


New Domestic and International Routes
Building on its foundation as a point-to-point airline, starting Jan. 17, 2022, Southwest’s schedule now includes nonstop service between Albuquerque and Burbank, giving Customers traveling between New Mexico and the San Fernando Valley a quicker journey.

Southwest also is giving Customers new ways to get passport stamps with new and returning international routes. On February 17, 2022, Southwest plans to resume seasonal daily nonstop service between Fort Lauderdale and Punta Cana, Dominican Republic. On March 12, 2022, the airline plans to start seasonal nonstop service on Saturdays between Denver and Cozumel, Mexico, subject to requisite government approvals

Western727 wrote:

Jshank83 wrote:

Western727 wrote:

AUS's management has also announced the coming use of hardstands as a stopgap before the new terminal is built. I'm pretty sure NK would be the first to use hardstands; they don't use the South terminal like F9 and G4 do, because NK flies international flights; the South terminal has no FIS facility and since F9/G4 have no int'l flights, the South terminal works for them. Anyway, booting NK out of the CUTE gates to the hardstands should help free up jetway capacity for WN and others if needed.

Why does NK get booted. Just curious on your reasoning. Don't they pay the same fees as everyone else for space?

Good question; my reasoning is only speculative, based on NK using the South terminal initially before introducing international flights. Plus, they have no dedicated gates at the main terminal as far as I can tell. Finally, I can't imagine ABIA offering lower lease costs to a tenant willing to move to the hardstands and NK not taking up the offer.

maps4ltd wrote:

BUR-ABQ? I thought Breaking Bad wrapped up filming in 2013.

Jshank83 wrote:

Western727 wrote:

Jshank83 wrote:

Why does NK get booted. Just curious on your reasoning. Don't they pay the same fees as everyone else for space?

Good question; my reasoning is only speculative, based on NK using the South terminal initially before introducing international flights. Plus, they have no dedicated gates at the main terminal as far as I can tell. Finally, I can't imagine ABIA offering lower lease costs to a tenant willing to move to the hardstands and NK not taking up the offer.

I agree with your last sentence and that would be why I could see NK doing it. If they can get a break on fees then I would say it is probably them. When you said "booted" I just was curious where you were coming from with it.

Is there more room in the south terminal? Could they tow the plane once it lets off passengers to FIS back to South for boarding? Just curious if this option would exist also.

Jshank83 wrote:

Western727 wrote:

Jshank83 wrote:

Why does NK get booted. Just curious on your reasoning. Don't they pay the same fees as everyone else for space?

Good question; my reasoning is only speculative, based on NK using the South terminal initially before introducing international flights. Plus, they have no dedicated gates at the main terminal as far as I can tell. Finally, I can't imagine ABIA offering lower lease costs to a tenant willing to move to the hardstands and NK not taking up the offer.

I agree with your last sentence and that would be why I could see NK doing it. If they can get a break on fees then I would say it is probably them. When you said "booted" I just was curious where you were coming from with it.

Is there more room in the south terminal? Could they tow the plane once it lets off passengers to FIS back to South for boarding? Just curious if this option would exist also.

Western727 wrote:

Jshank83 wrote:

Western727 wrote:

Good question; my reasoning is only speculative, based on NK using the South terminal initially before introducing international flights. Plus, they have no dedicated gates at the main terminal as far as I can tell. Finally, I can't imagine ABIA offering lower lease costs to a tenant willing to move to the hardstands and NK not taking up the offer.

I agree with your last sentence and that would be why I could see NK doing it. If they can get a break on fees then I would say it is probably them. When you said "booted" I just was curious where you were coming from with it.

Is there more room in the south terminal? Could they tow the plane once it lets off passengers to FIS back to South for boarding? Just curious if this option would exist also.

Noted re "booted". Bad choice of words of my part. As for FIS-arrival/tow-to-South, I don't see that happening, because that risks confusion: "landing at AUS from CUN? Tell your friends/family to pick you up at the main terminal. Landing on a domestic? Have them pick you up at the South terminal..."

I'm reminded of UA's NRT-SEA flights that arrived at the South satellite (because, FIS), while their presence was at the North satellite and thus the NRT departures were from there. I suspect this was acceptable because the curbside for UA domestic arrivals was not too far up the road from the curbside for international arrivals.

jco613 wrote:

Looks like other than PUJ, our biggest get at FLL is the return of the 3rd TPA flight. We also get our typical Saturday boost and ORD goes daily. PHL and PVD still Saturday only, no MSP, BOS, SDF or BHM weekend service as in the past. No return to BDL yet. First normal-ish winter with BWI not in the double digits in recent memory, taking out this past winter

MIAFLLPBIFlyer wrote:

jco613 wrote:

Looks like other than PUJ, our biggest get at FLL is the return of the 3rd TPA flight. We also get our typical Saturday boost and ORD goes daily. PHL and PVD still Saturday only, no MSP, BOS, SDF or BHM weekend service as in the past. No return to BDL yet. First normal-ish winter with BWI not in the double digits in recent memory, taking out this past winter

It's unfortunate when WN has fought so hard for increased market share during the pandemic elsewhere that FLL is being left behind. NK is further consolidating its hold on FLL and move into MIA next month is far more aggressive than WN move into MIA.

I do think if leisure Caribbean routes work again from FLL in the future, we'll see increased feed beyond the Saturday routes.

FLL-SDF I can see WN not wanting to try again with NK and G4 both on the route. I do think weekend BOS service will always work and surprised that isn't back. I'd love to see BHM back.

One of WN's issues at FLL of late is NK's aggressive move into the middle of the country. MCI, SDF, STL, MKE, IND, etc have one real target and that's WN. The Midwest-FLL routes were WN's lone niche at FLL not served by either network carriers or B6/NK. G4 was really the only competition on some of those routes..

KCaviator wrote:

MCI-LGA was supposed to restart but it has dropped off the schedule completely. What's the deal?

MIAFLLPBIFlyer wrote:

One of WN's issues at FLL of late is NK's aggressive move into the middle of the country. MCI, SDF, STL, MKE, IND, etc have one real target and that's WN. The Midwest-FLL routes were WN's lone niche at FLL not served by either network carriers or B6/NK. G4 was really the only competition on some of those routes..

ScottB wrote:

Midwestindy wrote:

Out of the top 20 markets from AUS, AA is pretty competitive with WN. Out of the top 20, I'd only consider WN larger than AA in 9 of the markets.

AA has done a good job picking its battles.

By what measure? Seats? AA is the leading carrier by market share in three of the top 25 or so city-pair markets from Austin: Charlotte, Miami, and Philadelphia. WN leads in 15 -- including to AA hub markets like DAL/DFW, CHI, PHX, and WAS.

PDX - AS
PHL
MIA
SEA - AS
BOS
NYC - AA+B6
-Most of these WN doesn't serve at all

DFW/DAL ----(through April 22' WN cut back AUS-DAL to 8x vs. AA's 13)

Chicago
SF ---WN doesn't fly AUS-SFO, and AS beats WN on frequency to Bay Area and access to its most important airport. Only consider it neutral since it isn't AA metal

PHX
LA
SAN (WN bumped it up to 4x daily for 2022 or else it would be neutral)
WAS (Could also be clearly in WN's favor although only 1 departure is to DCA, vs. the rest to BWI)

MSP
ATL
SLC
DEN
MCO
LAS

DTW

Jshank83 wrote:

Western727 wrote:

Jshank83 wrote:

I agree with your last sentence and that would be why I could see NK doing it. If they can get a break on fees then I would say it is probably them. When you said "booted" I just was curious where you were coming from with it.

Is there more room in the south terminal? Could they tow the plane once it lets off passengers to FIS back to South for boarding? Just curious if this option would exist also.

Noted re "booted". Bad choice of words of my part. As for FIS-arrival/tow-to-South, I don't see that happening, because that risks confusion: "landing at AUS from CUN? Tell your friends/family to pick you up at the main terminal. Landing on a domestic? Have them pick you up at the South terminal..."

I'm reminded of UA's NRT-SEA flights that arrived at the South satellite (because, FIS), while their presence was at the North satellite and thus the NRT departures were from there. I suspect this was acceptable because the curbside for UA domestic arrivals was not too far up the road from the curbside for international arrivals.

Just curious because my home airport (STL) only has FIS in one of the terminals. So F9/NK/AA all have to tow from Terminal 2 (FIS terminal) to Terminal 1 for departures after international flight arrivals. I would assume this happens at other airports also. Might be easier with cell phones these days to say where to pick them up.

MIAFLLPBIFlyer wrote:

jco613 wrote:

Looks like other than PUJ, our biggest get at FLL is the return of the 3rd TPA flight. We also get our typical Saturday boost and ORD goes daily. PHL and PVD still Saturday only, no MSP, BOS, SDF or BHM weekend service as in the past. No return to BDL yet. First normal-ish winter with BWI not in the double digits in recent memory, taking out this past winter

It's unfortunate when WN has fought so hard for increased market share during the pandemic elsewhere that FLL is being left behind. NK is further consolidating its hold on FLL and move into MIA next month is far more aggressive than WN move into MIA.

I do think if leisure Caribbean routes work again from FLL in the future, we'll see increased feed beyond the Saturday routes.

FLL-SDF I can see WN not wanting to try again with NK and G4 both on the route. I do think weekend BOS service will always work and surprised that isn't back. I'd love to see BHM back.

One of WN's issues at FLL of late is NK's aggressive move into the middle of the country. MCI, SDF, STL, MKE, IND, etc have one real target and that's WN. The Midwest-FLL routes were WN's lone niche at FLL not served by either network carriers or B6/NK. G4 was really the only competition on some of those routes..

Western727 wrote:

Jshank83 wrote:

Western727 wrote:

based on NK using the South terminal initially before introducing international flights.

Midwestindy wrote:

ScottB wrote:

Midwestindy wrote:

Out of the top 20 markets from AUS, AA is pretty competitive with WN. Out of the top 20, I'd only consider WN larger than AA in 9 of the markets.

AA has done a good job picking its battles.

By what measure? Seats? AA is the leading carrier by market share in three of the top 25 or so city-pair markets from Austin: Charlotte, Miami, and Philadelphia. WN leads in 15 -- including to AA hub markets like DAL/DFW, CHI, PHX, and WAS.

1. AA+AS & AA+B6 are partners, so markets where AA+AS & AA+B6 operate codeshares favor AA...I'll come back to that in a second.

2. I am using 2021/2022 numbers, not pre-covid or early COVIDnumbers which are useless since AA was essentially all Hub-Hub from AUS then

3. The comparison is between WN & AA, not who is the overall leader in market share in XYZ market.

Alright, with that out of the way:
Out of the top 20 markets (2019 Q3 sizes), I'd argue:

AA clearly leads WN in:

PDX - AS
PHL
MIA
SEA - AS
BOS
NYC - AA+B6
-Most of these WN doesn't serve at all

Advantage to AA:

DFW/DAL ----(through April 22' WN cut back AUS-DAL to 8x vs. AA's 13)

Neutral:

Chicago
SF ---WN doesn't fly AUS-SFO, and AS beats WN on frequency to Bay Area and access to its most important airport. Only consider it neutral since it isn't AA metal

Advantage to WN:

PHX
LA
SAN (WN bumped it up to 4x daily for 2022 or else it would be neutral)
WAS (Could also be clearly in WN's favor although only 1 departure is to DCA, vs. the rest to BWI)

WN clearly leads AA in:

MSP
ATL
SLC
DEN
MCO
LAS

Neither:

DTW

Jshank83 wrote:

Western727 wrote:

Noted re "booted". Bad choice of words of my part. As for FIS-arrival/tow-to-South, I don't see that happening, because that risks confusion: "landing at AUS from CUN? Tell your friends/family to pick you up at the main terminal. Landing on a domestic? Have them pick you up at the South terminal..."

I'm reminded of UA's NRT-SEA flights that arrived at the South satellite (because, FIS), while their presence was at the North satellite and thus the NRT departures were from there. I suspect this was acceptable because the curbside for UA domestic arrivals was not too far up the road from the curbside for international arrivals.

Just curious because my home airport (STL) only has FIS in one of the terminals. So F9/NK/AA all have to tow from Terminal 2 (FIS terminal) to Terminal 1 for departures after international flight arrivals. I would assume this happens at other airports also. Might be easier with cell phones these days to say where to pick them up.

I'm pretty sure towing is common practice at most non US3 Hub airports.

Lots of airports put signage saying "pickup at XYZ terminal for WN international arrivals/departures" with separate signage for "dropoff at AAA termainal for WN domestic arrivals/departures"

It really shouldn't be that confusing since they say over the PA multiple times which gate you will be arriving into and where your baggage is going as well. Worst comes to worst, you'll be waiting a little longer for your ride to arrive.

767driver wrote:

Western727 wrote:

Jshank83 wrote:

NK has never used the south terminal

Western727 wrote:

Midwestindy wrote:

ScottB wrote:

By what measure? Seats? AA is the leading carrier by market share in three of the top 25 or so city-pair markets from Austin: Charlotte, Miami, and Philadelphia. WN leads in 15 -- including to AA hub markets like DAL/DFW, CHI, PHX, and WAS.

1. AA+AS & AA+B6 are partners, so markets where AA+AS & AA+B6 operate codeshares favor AA...I'll come back to that in a second.

2. I am using 2021/2022 numbers, not pre-covid or early COVIDnumbers which are useless since AA was essentially all Hub-Hub from AUS then

3. The comparison is between WN & AA, not who is the overall leader in market share in XYZ market.

Alright, with that out of the way:
Out of the top 20 markets (2019 Q3 sizes), I'd argue:

AA clearly leads WN in:

PDX - AS
PHL
MIA
SEA - AS
BOS
NYC - AA+B6
-Most of these WN doesn't serve at all

Advantage to AA:

DFW/DAL ----(through April 22' WN cut back AUS-DAL to 8x vs. AA's 13)

Neutral:

Chicago
SF ---WN doesn't fly AUS-SFO, and AS beats WN on frequency to Bay Area and access to its most important airport. Only consider it neutral since it isn't AA metal

Advantage to WN:

PHX
LA
SAN (WN bumped it up to 4x daily for 2022 or else it would be neutral)
WAS (Could also be clearly in WN's favor although only 1 departure is to DCA, vs. the rest to BWI)

WN clearly leads AA in:

MSP
ATL
SLC
DEN
MCO
LAS

Neither:

DTW

Jshank83 wrote:

Just curious because my home airport (STL) only has FIS in one of the terminals. So F9/NK/AA all have to tow from Terminal 2 (FIS terminal) to Terminal 1 for departures after international flight arrivals. I would assume this happens at other airports also. Might be easier with cell phones these days to say where to pick them up.

I'm pretty sure towing is common practice at most non US3 Hub airports.

Lots of airports put signage saying "pickup at XYZ terminal for WN international arrivals/departures" with separate signage for "dropoff at AAA termainal for WN domestic arrivals/departures"

It really shouldn't be that confusing since they say over the PA multiple times which gate you will be arriving into and where your baggage is going as well. Worst comes to worst, you'll be waiting a little longer for your ride to arrive.

Great analogy on AA vs WN, thank you.

As for the separate terminals, the problem with AUS is that the drive between each terminal is 15 minutes w/o traffic (right now, outside of rush hour, Google Maps indicates 14 and 17 minutes on the two main routes), assuming speed limits are followed. Throw in rush hour traffic or a car wreck, add 5+ minutes. If one is already running late enough, they'll miss their flight. It's quite comical because when one stands at one of the far-west gates the South terminal is just under half a mile away by bird.

One of my (non-aviation) friends missed her on-time F9 flight a couple years back because of this (and because she's always late or pushing it with schedules, but she'd have been fine if she had gone to the right terminal in the first place).