trueblew wrote:

The A223 won't work at many of those small airports with extremely high yields. I'm not sure what B6 plans to do once the last E190 has left the fleet, but they will likely either need an A221 subfleet or exit those markets. The Max-7 will not work at Nantucket, believe me.

No one is "talking up" B6 or "tearing down" WN here. It's all just spelling out the reality: if WN and B6 were to merge, WN couldn't keep their type of product in NYC, among other markets, while keeping all the routes and customers that B6 has. The majority will flee to DL/AA/UA. At what point is a merger with B6 worth it if WN doesn't even keep the customer base in B6's largest markets?

I to have wondered what is B6's plan for their markets that are solely 100 seater markets. I do not think A223 is the answer as it is too large.

While I do believe a WN & B6 "merger" would work, their products are lightyears away from each other. The customers (especially NYC-based customers) whom B6 has captured wouldn't go for WNs product as it is a heartbeat away from bare bones. I would keep the brands separate under a group umbrella.

joeblow10 wrote:

The reality is WN runs too many thin markets to justify huge quantities of MAX 9s and 10s. The 8 is about the max right sized aircraft for most of their routes and even then… many justify only 7s/700s.

I’m not saying you won’t see a MAX 9/10 order - but in a system where they seem to freely interchange aircraft without regards to capacity (I.e. running a random one off 7M8 on AMA-LAS, but not on some transcon out of BWI), they would really have to figure out how to carve out a limited, specific network for larger planes.

I agree, that seeing a large number of Max 9/10s is unlikely. A fleet consisting of 30-50 planes is more realistic. In theory, a 200 seater on WN's high-frequency routes should print money.

SyracuseAvGeek wrote:

Southwest’s iconic boarding podiums are now installed near gate 1 in Syracuse (SYR). The inaugural WN flight is on Nov14, and I’m super excited that I’m going to be on it.

Initial destinations from SYR will be 3x daily to BWI and 1x weekly to MCO. I’m thinking eventually they will add Midway… thoughts?

I agree that WN adding SYR-MDW nonstop service is a possibility with WN already serving MDW nonstop from most of its other Northeastern U.S. destinations along with the connections that would be available through MDW to some destinations that don't have nonstop service out of BWI on WN.

WN adding SYR-DEN nonstop service is a possibility as WN has recently added nonstop service to DEN from some other destinations such as BZN, ORD, COS, FAT, HDN, IAH, MIA, MTJ, PSP, RIC, SBA, and SRQ.

Does anyone think the analyst day on the 8th we could see anything good ? Maybe they will talk about red eyes and codeshare because on the earrings call they did say they will talk about future technology?

Wneast wrote:

Does anyone think the analyst day on the 8th we could see anything good ? Maybe they will talk about red eyes and codeshare because on the earrings call they did say they will talk about future technology?

In light of recent events I really don't think this should or would be their focus at this time.

WN732 wrote:

Wneast wrote:

Does anyone think the analyst day on the 8th we could see anything good ? Maybe they will talk about red eyes and codeshare because on the earrings call they did say they will talk about future technology?

In light of recent events I really don't think this should or would be their focus at this time.

With the Federal government Vaccination Mandate dead line the same day I don’t expect any big announcements.
The next schedule release will definitely have some new nonstop markets for cities like BLI,FAT,EUG and SBA.

I’d also expect to see some MCO and FLL flying to return to normal levels Monday-Friday.
The cruise ship industry is expecting to be back at or around 2019 levels so WN will chase that leisure traffic.

But if they see a potential problem with having a pilot shortage in 2022 because of the federal mandate especially since SWAPA lost its lawsuit in court yesterday. The first 6 months of 2022 they might just do a massive one for one 7377 retirement.

Enjoy or Don’t
Flyguy

While other U.S. airlines have recently made adds to NAS such as NAS-AUS by AA, NAS-BOS by DL, NAS-CLE/DEN by UA, and NAS-MIA/EWR/MCO/PHL by F9, WN currently serves only BWI and FLL nonstop from NAS.

WN was originally planning on starting HOU-NAS nonstop service in Summer 2020, but those plans were dropped due to the COVID-19 pandemic.

There are also some more adds such as NAS-MDW/DEN/MCO/STL that could be made by WN. There is also the possibility of F9 adding NAS-ORD/DEN nonstop service (especially if WN doesn't add NAS-MDW/DEN nonstop service).

Can NAS support nonstop service from more than just BWI and FLL on WN? Is WN likely to add nonstop service to NAS from additional cities with the recent adds that AA, DL, UA, and F9 have made to NAS?

wnflyguy wrote:

WN732 wrote:

Wneast wrote:

Does anyone think the analyst day on the 8th we could see anything good ? Maybe they will talk about red eyes and codeshare because on the earrings call they did say they will talk about future technology?

In light of recent events I really don't think this should or would be their focus at this time.

With the Federal government Vaccination Mandate dead line the same day I don’t expect any big announcements.
The next schedule release will definitely have some new nonstop markets for cities like BLI,FAT,EUG and SBA.


Enjoy or Don’t
Flyguy

SBA would need to drop a LAS, I’d think. Only their DEN seems to be hitting decent numbers.

whatusaid wrote:

wnflyguy wrote:

WN732 wrote:

In light of recent events I really don't think this should or would be their focus at this time.

With the Federal government Vaccination Mandate dead line the same day I don’t expect any big announcements.
The next schedule release will definitely have some new nonstop markets for cities like BLI,FAT,EUG and SBA.


Enjoy or Don’t
Flyguy

SBA would need to drop a LAS, I’d think. Only their DEN seems to be hitting decent numbers.[

I agree.
I think SBA would be better serviced with a schedule like this.

…………………….06:00 OAK
…………………….07:00 SMF
OAK09:35(45)10:20 DEN
DEN10:40(55)11:35 LAS
LAS13:10(35)13:45 PHX
PHX13:55(35)14:30 LAS
LAS16:30(30)17:00 OAK
SMF 20:50…………………….
OAK 22:05…………………….

Enjoy or Don’t
Flyguy

wnflyguy wrote:

whatusaid wrote:

wnflyguy wrote:

With the Federal government Vaccination Mandate dead line the same day I don’t expect any big announcements.
The next schedule release will definitely have some new nonstop markets for cities like BLI,FAT,EUG and SBA.


Enjoy or Don’t
Flyguy

SBA would need to drop a LAS, I’d think. Only their DEN seems to be hitting decent numbers.[

I agree.
I think SBA would be better serviced with a schedule like this.

…………………….06:00 OAK
…………………….07:00 SMF
OAK09:35(45)10:20 DEN
DEN10:40(55)11:35 LAS
LAS13:10(35)13:45 PHX
PHX13:55(35)14:30 LAS
LAS16:30(30)17:00 OAK
SMF 20:50…………………….
OAK 22:05…………………….

Enjoy or Don’t
Flyguy

FAT is for sure due to expand they had goo load factors imagine the staffing might have been a issue ?

Wneast wrote:

wnflyguy wrote:

whatusaid wrote:

SBA would need to drop a LAS, I’d think. Only their DEN seems to be hitting decent numbers.[

I agree.
I think SBA would be better serviced with a schedule like this.

…………………….06:00 OAK
…………………….07:00 SMF
OAK09:35(45)10:20 DEN
DEN10:40(55)11:35 LAS
LAS13:10(35)13:45 PHX
PHX13:55(35)14:30 LAS
LAS16:30(30)17:00 OAK
SMF 20:50…………………….
OAK 22:05…………………….

Enjoy or Don’t
Flyguy

FAT is for sure due to expand they had goo load factors imagine the staffing might have been a issue ?

I honestly think in the Spring 2022 WN will add some capacity to BLI,SBA,FAT and EUG.

Here is some more schedules I think would offer the most opportunity from :

FAT

…………………….06:00 DEN
…………………….07:00 PHX
LAS09:35(45)10:20 DEN
DEN10:40(55)11:35 LAS
LAS13:10(35)13:45 PHX
PHX13:55(35)14:30 LAS
LAS16:30(30)17:00 LAS
DEN 22:15..………………….
PHX 23:00……………………

EUG
…………………..05:15 PHX
…………………..06:45 OAK
PHX11:00(45)11:45 DEN
OAK12:25(35)13:00 LAS
DEN14:00(60)15:00 PHX
LAS16:35(45) 17:20 OAK
OAK20:30…………………….
PHX22:00…………………….

BLI
.........................05:15 DEN
.........................05:45 OAK
.........................06:40 PHX
.........................09:00 HNL
OAK 11:15 (30) 11:45 LAS
DEN 12:00 (45)12:45 PHX
PHX 13:15 (35) 13:50 DEN
LAS 15:15 (35) 15:50 OAK
DEN 22:45……………………
PHX 23:00.......................
HNL 23:10.......................
OAK 23:30……………………

I know some people think No way WN will add that much capacity to BLI. NO ONE SAW BLI coming in the first place .
I think they feel it will drawl a lot of traffic from Vancouver B.C. In the same respect that BUF drawls in from Canada.

Enjoy or Don’t
Flyguy

wnflyguy wrote:

Wneast wrote:

wnflyguy wrote:

SBA would need to drop a LAS, I’d think. Only their DEN seems to be hitting decent numbers.[

I agree.
I think SBA would be better serviced with a schedule like this.

…………………….06:00 OAK
…………………….07:00 SMF
OAK09:35(45)10:20 DEN
DEN10:40(55)11:35 LAS
LAS13:10(35)13:45 PHX
PHX13:55(35)14:30 LAS
LAS16:30(30)17:00 OAK
SMF 20:50…………………….
OAK 22:05…………………….

Enjoy or Don’t
Flyguy

FAT is for sure due to expand they had goo load factors imagine the staffing might have been a issue ?

I honestly think in the Spring 2022 WN will add some capacity to BLI,SBA,FAT and EUG.

Here is some more schedules I think would offer the most opportunity from :

FAT

…………………….06:00 DEN
…………………….07:00 PHX
OAK09:35(45)10:20 DEN
DEN10:40(55)11:35 LAS
LAS13:10(35)13:45 PHX
PHX13:55(35)14:30 LAS
LAS16:30(30)17:00 OAK
DEN 22:50…………………….
PHX 23:00……………………

EUG
…………………..05:15 PHX
…………………..06:45 OAK
PHX11:00(45)11:45 DEN
OAK12:25(35)13:00 LAS
DEN14:00(60)15:00 PHX
LAS16:35(45) 17:20 OAK
OAK20:30…………………….
PHX22: 00

BLI
.........................05:15 DEN
.........................05:45 OAK
.........................06:40 PHX
.........................09:00 HNL
OAK 11:15 (30) 11:45 LAS
DEN 12:00 (45)12:45 PHX
PHX 13:15 (35) 13:50 DEN
LAS 15:15 (35) 15:50 OAK
DEN 22:45……………………
PHX 23:00.......................
HNL 23:10.......................
LAS 23:30…………………..

I know some people think No way WN will add that much capacity to BLI. NO ONE SAW BLI coming in the first place .
I think they feel it will drawl a lot of traffic from Vancouver B.C. In the same respect that BUF drawls in from Canada.

Enjoy or Don’t
Flyguy

Hopefully those cities get some new flying and maybe some other new flying in the other new cities and existing

Please stick to discussing the topic, which is Southwest's fleet and route network. Posts about on board service or employee vaccination rates belong elsewhere.

BLI starts today for WN and here is want some of my Peeps are reporting from the BLI Airport this morning.
Southwest Airlines will occupy gates 5 and 6 initially.
Then future long term growth plans call for the addition of gates 7 and 8. Gate 4 will be used as over flow gate as needed.

I honestly don’t see it. But maybe they think they can actually drawl a good amount of cross boarder traffic from Vancouver B.C.

My buddy sent me the first week loads and well??
Ya good luck I guess.

Update peeps are speculating that BLI might follow the trend like some of WN small Florida cities. 3 daily flights Monday-Friday. 8 to 10 flights Saturday and 5 flights on Sunday. Definitely going after Allegiant Air.

Enjoy or Don’t
Flyguy

Does anyone know why Southwest has not or is not looking into adding in-seat power on the fleet, at least on new deliveries?

Sure, Dallas to Lubbock? Who cares. But many flights are several hours, including Hawaii runs. Not sure why FFs have not been more vocal on this or why has never been push.

rising wrote:

Does anyone know why Southwest has not or is not looking into adding in-seat power on the fleet, at least on new deliveries?

Sure, Dallas to Lubbock? Who cares. But many flights are several hours, including Hawaii runs. Not sure why FFs have not been more vocal on this or why has never been push.

I think it’s always been said for weight reasons. Burns more fuel and costs more. I assume they figure they already are getting plenty of passengers. How much extra will they really make to offset cost.

rising wrote:

Does anyone know why Southwest has not or is not looking into adding in-seat power on the fleet, at least on new deliveries?

Sure, Dallas to Lubbock? Who cares. But many flights are several hours, including Hawaii runs. Not sure why FFs have not been more vocal on this or why has never been push.

At a minimum, USB power should be available.

wnflyguy wrote:

BLI starts today for WN and here is want some of my Peeps are reporting from the BLI Airport this morning.
Southwest Airlines will occupy gates 5 and 6 initially.
Then future long term growth plans call for the addition of gates 7 and 8. Gate 4 will be used as over flow gate as needed.

I honestly don’t see it. But maybe they think they can actually drawl a good amount of cross boarder traffic from Vancouver B.C.

My buddy sent me the first week loads and well??
Ya good luck I guess.

Update peeps are speculating that BLI might follow the trend like some of WN small Florida cities. 3 daily flights Monday-Friday. 8 to 10 flights Saturday and 5 flights on Sunday. Definitely going after Allegiant Air.

Enjoy or Don’t
Flyguy

Should be interesting if this actually comes through and 4 gates with a extra for over flow is ambition unless they really can get the Canada people and there’s a expansion we don’t know about

I know Andrew Watterson goes on a lot of the inaugurals but I was surprised he was there for BLI today

wnflyguy wrote:

BLI starts today for WN and here is want some of my Peeps are reporting from the BLI Airport this morning.
Southwest Airlines will occupy gates 5 and 6 initially.
Then future long term growth plans call for the addition of gates 7 and 8. Gate 4 will be used as over flow gate as needed.

I honestly don’t see it. But maybe they think they can actually drawl a good amount of cross boarder traffic from Vancouver B.C.

My buddy sent me the first week loads and well??
Ya good luck I guess.

Update peeps are speculating that BLI might follow the trend like some of WN small Florida cities. 3 daily flights Monday-Friday. 8 to 10 flights Saturday and 5 flights on Sunday. Definitely going after Allegiant Air.

Enjoy or Don’t
Flyguy

Definitely give BLI some time. The border has barely reopened and still has restrictions. All the other border airports that rely heavily on us Canadians will still take a while to recover.

I think BLI is a lot overrated. AS started beefing up BLI when the dollar was favorable for the Canadians and it was a lot cheaper to cross the border rather than paying higher airfares and departure taxes. the situation is completely different currently. BLI may draw some from the most southern parts of the Vancouver area but the parking lot at BLI airport isn't row after row after row of British Columbia license plates anymore. Allegiant Air hasn't grown significantly from YVR over all these years. WN may do okay with a few flights a day but I don't foresee them with any kind of major expansion unless the Canadian dollar becomes more favorable again. Also, I would add, the airport there has gates A, B, C, D and E - 5 gates total. I highly doubt that Southwest is going to take over four of those 5 gates.

ASFlyer wrote:

I think BLI is a lot overrated. AS started beefing up BLI when the dollar was favorable for the Canadians and it was a lot cheaper to cross the border rather than paying higher airfares and departure taxes. the situation is completely different currently. BLI may draw some from the most southern parts of the Vancouver area but the parking lot at BLI airport isn't row after row after row of British Columbia license plates anymore. Allegiant Air hasn't grown significantly from YVR over all these years. WN may do okay with a few flights a day but I don't foresee them with any kind of major expansion unless the Canadian dollar becomes more favorable again. Also, I would add, the airport there has gates A, B, C, D and E - 5 gates total. I highly doubt that Southwest is going to take over four of those 5 gates.

Well put summary of the Bellingham situation WN is jumping into; I totally agree. I was very surprised when the carrier announced BLI and I remain surprised they actually went thru with the plan.

I'll be watching this closely to see what WN manages to do there, particularly under current conditions. To sum it up in 2 little words: long shot.

bb

BLI - DEN is a no-brainer. I’m booking a trip to Vancouver the second it’s announced.

wnflyguy wrote:

BLI starts today for WN and here is want some of my Peeps are reporting from the BLI Airport this morning.
Southwest Airlines will occupy gates 5 and 6 initially.
Then future long term growth plans call for the addition of gates 7 and 8. Gate 4 will be used as over flow gate as needed.

I honestly don’t see it. But maybe they think they can actually drawl a good amount of cross boarder traffic from Vancouver B.C.

My buddy sent me the first week loads and well??
Ya good luck I guess.

Update peeps are speculating that BLI might follow the trend like some of WN small Florida cities. 3 daily flights Monday-Friday. 8 to 10 flights Saturday and 5 flights on Sunday. Definitely going after Allegiant Air.

Enjoy or Don’t
Flyguy

I am not sure who gave you this information, but they may want to double check their facts. There is some credibility issues with these statements.

ASFlyer wrote:

I think BLI is a lot overrated. AS started beefing up BLI when the dollar was favorable for the Canadians and it was a lot cheaper to cross the border rather than paying higher airfares and departure taxes. the situation is completely different currently. BLI may draw some from the most southern parts of the Vancouver area but the parking lot at BLI airport isn't row after row after row of British Columbia license plates anymore. Allegiant Air hasn't grown significantly from YVR over all these years. WN may do okay with a few flights a day but I don't foresee them with any kind of major expansion unless the Canadian dollar becomes more favorable again. Also, I would add, the airport there has gates A, B, C, D and E - 5 gates total. I highly doubt that Southwest is going to take over four of those 5 gates.

I agree that BLI is overrated, though I see it differently in one way: it's sensitive to the USD/CAD exchange rate. I grew up in SEA and my wife in YVR; we've gone to both 1-2x every year for 20 years, and BLI has been fun to watch. We've learned over the years that prices are roughly 35% higher in BC, so we see the currencies being "equal" when we get C$1.35 for each USD.

I remember when it was dollar-for-dollar in the early 2010s, making my in-laws "rich" when they visited; they'd treat us and our kids to restaurant meals, hotel stays, etc., during their annual holiday season visits to AUS. What happened at BLI? Abundant service to Hawaii (Allegiant 757s!), and my wife's family literally flocked there at the time. The parking lots were full of BC plates. Then in around 2015 it went back up to roughly C$1.20-1.30 per $USD. BLI's service shrank big time and the BC plates disappeared from the parking lots. The exchange rate has been roughly the same since, save for a couple of spikes in the USD's favor. Today it's C$1.24 per USD, so Canadians have a slight advantage and we have a slight disadvantage.

In any case, I don't have a lot of hope for sustained & significant WN (or even G4) service given the sensitivity of BLI to exchange rates.

Jshank83 wrote:

rising wrote:

Does anyone know why Southwest has not or is not looking into adding in-seat power on the fleet, at least on new deliveries?

Sure, Dallas to Lubbock? Who cares. But many flights are several hours, including Hawaii runs. Not sure why FFs have not been more vocal on this or why has never been push.

I think it’s always been said for weight reasons. Burns more fuel and costs more. I assume they figure they already are getting plenty of passengers. How much extra will they really make to offset cost.

I've always been skeptical of the weight argument. Just doing a google search it seems that a control unit and three outlets can weigh roughly 2.5 lbs or less. Doing the math 2.5 per row per side.it comes out 110lbs (73G) & 150lbs (738). In terms of aircraft weight that is pretty insignificant in my opinion. This is just a rough guess and AMTs can correct me on this assumption. At a minimum, the ETOPS fleet should be equipped.

DaCubbyBearBar wrote:

wnflyguy wrote:

BLI starts today for WN and here is want some of my Peeps are reporting from the BLI Airport this morning.
Southwest Airlines will occupy gates 5 and 6 initially.
Then future long term growth plans call for the addition of gates 7 and 8. Gate 4 will be used as over flow gate as needed.

I honestly don’t see it. But maybe they think they can actually drawl a good amount of cross boarder traffic from Vancouver B.C.

My buddy sent me the first week loads and well??
Ya good luck I guess.

Update peeps are speculating that BLI might follow the trend like some of WN small Florida cities. 3 daily flights Monday-Friday. 8 to 10 flights Saturday and 5 flights on Sunday. Definitely going after Allegiant Air.

Enjoy or Don’t
Flyguy

I am not sure who gave you this information, but they may want to double check their facts. There is some credibility issues with these statements.

He means well, but you always have to take his posts and “inside sources” with a big grain of salt..especially leading up to a schedule release.

When is the first MAX 7 delivery targeted for?

dbo861 wrote:

DaCubbyBearBar wrote:

wnflyguy wrote:

BLI starts today for WN and here is want some of my Peeps are reporting from the BLI Airport this morning.
Southwest Airlines will occupy gates 5 and 6 initially.
Then future long term growth plans call for the addition of gates 7 and 8. Gate 4 will be used as over flow gate as needed.

I honestly don’t see it. But maybe they think they can actually drawl a good amount of cross boarder traffic from Vancouver B.C.

My buddy sent me the first week loads and well??
Ya good luck I guess.

Update peeps are speculating that BLI might follow the trend like some of WN small Florida cities. 3 daily flights Monday-Friday. 8 to 10 flights Saturday and 5 flights on Sunday. Definitely going after Allegiant Air.

Enjoy or Don’t
Flyguy

I am not sure who gave you this information, but they may want to double check their facts. There is some credibility issues with these statements.

He means well, but you always have to take his posts and “inside sources” with a big grain of salt..especially leading up to a schedule release.

I mean, yeah, but a quick Google search will show you that the airport doesn't even have 6 gates or even numbered gates - and with 3 flights a day, and only one that overnights, why would WN need 2 gates and an overflow gate? But yeah, you're not wrong.

Wnflyguy or anyone know if COS is moving slower in the ramp up of more flights or I’m guessing it’s waiting and see how HOU and SAT perform ? Would love to see Florida and more ?

ASFlyer wrote:

dbo861 wrote:

DaCubbyBearBar wrote:

I am not sure who gave you this information, but they may want to double check their facts. There is some credibility issues with these statements.

He means well, but you always have to take his posts and “inside sources” with a big grain of salt..especially leading up to a schedule release.

I mean, yeah, but a quick Google search will show you that the airport doesn't even have 6 gates or even numbered gates - and with 3 flights a day, and only one that overnights, why would WN need 2 gates and an overflow gate? But yeah, you're not wrong.

BLI has 1-8 numbered aircraft Hardstand ramp terminal parking pads with 5 terminal passenger Boarding doors labeled A,B,C,D,E.
WN will use hardstands 5&6 and it’s primary Boarding door will be boarding door C.
Long term plans call for using WN to also Use Hardstands 7&8 with optional overflow hardstand 4 and use Terminal boarding doors D and E.

If the “Southwest Effect” can actually pull the same passenger volumes from Vancouver B.C. to BLI in the same respects that BUF pulls from Toronto,Canada. Then it’s quite possible WN could easily see itself with a daily flight schedule around 8 daily flights.
WN is know for having High numbers of RON aircraft at smaller outstations. So possibly the need for primary parking spaces for up to 4 to 5 nightly aircraft in the future is not that far fetched.

Using Allegiant as a BLI example they have run anywhere from 6-10 weekend only flights in the past PreCovid environment with success just offering point to point sales only. It will be easy for WN to offer a lot of the same Point to point markets especially if they follow the Saturday/Sunday leisure increases. But unlike Allegiant WN brings in the potential to drive additional revenue offering further connecting flights through each of its Mega cities.

The Below flights schedule is definitely something I agree with and could see WN operating if BLI becomes the Vancouver B.C. alternate city they Hope it can be.

.........................05:15 DEN
.........................05:45 OAK
.........................06:40 PHX
………………………08:00 LAS
.........................09:00 HNL
OAK 11:15 (30) 11:45 LAS
DEN 12:00 (45)12:45 PHX
PHX 13:15 (35) 13:50 DEN
LAS 15:15 (35) 15:50 OAK
LAS 17:30 (35) 18:05 LAS
DEN 22:45……………………
PHX 23:00.......................
HNL 23:10.......................
OAK 23:30……………………
LAS 00.15……………………

Enjoy or Don’t
Flyguy

wnflyguy wrote:

ASFlyer wrote:

dbo861 wrote:

He means well, but you always have to take his posts and “inside sources” with a big grain of salt..especially leading up to a schedule release.

I mean, yeah, but a quick Google search will show you that the airport doesn't even have 6 gates or even numbered gates - and with 3 flights a day, and only one that overnights, why would WN need 2 gates and an overflow gate? But yeah, you're not wrong.

If the “Southwest Effect” can actually pull the same passenger volumes from Vancouver B.C. to BLI in the same respects that BUF pulls from Toronto,Canada. Then it’s quite possible WN could easily see itself with a daily flight schedule around 8 daily flights.
WN is know for having High numbers of RON aircraft at smaller outstations. So possibly the need for primary parking spaces for up to 4 to 5 nightly aircraft in the future is not that far fetched.

I remain only guardedly optimistic about WN's sustained success at BLI, having watched the expansion/contraction cycle at BLI for the last couple of decades. BLI has and will probably continue to be sensitive to the USD/CAD exchange rate. We saw a big expansion in the early 2010s (when the currencies were generally equal, making folks from higher-cost BC "rich" in USD) only to have it contract a few years later when the USD became weaker vs the CAD at roughly C$1.20-1.35 per USD, a level it remains at today. The BC license plates largely disappeared from the BLI parking lots. And the outlet shopping center near Bellingham became vacant and remained empty pre-pandemic. It's a cycle my wife (from YVR) and I (from SEA) have observed with much interest, planning our family's regular flights back home to SEA/BLI/YVR based on airfares, convenience, rental car rates, etc.

However, as long as Bellingham itself and points north of Seattle continue to grow and stay strong economically, I think (and hope) WN has a real chance at success. But I believe relying largely or primarily on BC pax (and the exchange rate) is, and will continue to be, a risk.

Western727 wrote:

I remain only guardedly optimistic about WN's sustained success at BLI, having watched the expansion/contraction cycle at BLI for the last couple of decades. BLI has and will probably continue to be sensitive to the USD/CAD exchange rate. We saw a big expansion in the early 2010s (when the currencies were generally equal, making folks from higher-cost BC "rich" in USD) only to have it contract a few years later when the USD became weaker vs the CAD at roughly C$1.20-1.35 per USD, a level it remains at today. The BC license plates largely disappeared from the BLI parking lots.

They really don't need a high CDN:US exchange rate. The savings in taxes/customs fees that apply to air crossings but not land crossings to U.S. destinations can mean significant passenger savings (or, more fare going to carriers).

One-way BLI-LAS on a $59 ticket on WN

$17.41 in taxes
$41.47 to carrier

One-way YVR-LAS (on cheapest, USD 112 fare on WS)

Canada Goods And Services Tax GST Including CA Tax (XG)
$3.60
Canadian Air Travelers Security Charge (CA)
$9.70
United States Immigration User Fee (XY)
$7.00
United States Customs User Fee (YC)
$6.11
Canada Airport Improvement Fee AIF (SQ)
$20.10
United States APHIS Passenger Fee Passengers (XA)
$3.96
US International Arrival Tax (US)
$19.10

total $69.57
$41.76 to carrier

The phenomenon of Canadians origininating from proximate U.S. airports to PHX/PSP/TUS/LAS/FLL/MCO/MIA... is not new. You ought to count the passengers getting off a DL flight from Orlando and heading to the Robert Q shuttles to Windsor and London, Ontario, at DTW.

MIflyer12 wrote:

Western727 wrote:

I remain only guardedly optimistic about WN's sustained success at BLI, having watched the expansion/contraction cycle at BLI for the last couple of decades. BLI has and will probably continue to be sensitive to the USD/CAD exchange rate. We saw a big expansion in the early 2010s (when the currencies were generally equal, making folks from higher-cost BC "rich" in USD) only to have it contract a few years later when the USD became weaker vs the CAD at roughly C$1.20-1.35 per USD, a level it remains at today. The BC license plates largely disappeared from the BLI parking lots.

They really don't need a high CDN:US exchange rate. The savings in taxes/customs fees that apply to air crossings but not land crossings to U.S. destinations can mean significant passenger savings (or, more fare going to carriers).

One-way BLI-LAS on a $59 ticket on WN

$17.41 in taxes
$41.47 to carrier

One-way YVR-LAS (on cheapest, USD 112 fare on WS)

Canada Goods And Services Tax GST Including CA Tax (XG)
$3.60
Canadian Air Travelers Security Charge (CA)
$9.70
United States Immigration User Fee (XY)
$7.00
United States Customs User Fee (YC)
$6.11
Canada Airport Improvement Fee AIF (SQ)
$20.10
United States APHIS Passenger Fee Passengers (XA)
$3.96
US International Arrival Tax (US)
$19.10

total $69.57
$41.76 to carrier

The phenomenon of Canadians origininating from proximate U.S. airports to PHX/PSP/TUS/LAS/FLL/MCO/MIA... is not new. You ought to count the passengers getting off a DL flight from Orlando and heading to the Robert Q shuttles to Windsor and London, Ontario, at DTW.

Valid points. So why, then, did BLI contract big time after its heyday in the early 2010s when the exchange rate was no longer in the Canadians' favor?

MIflyer12 wrote:

Western727 wrote:

I remain only guardedly optimistic about WN's sustained success at BLI, having watched the expansion/contraction cycle at BLI for the last couple of decades. BLI has and will probably continue to be sensitive to the USD/CAD exchange rate. We saw a big expansion in the early 2010s (when the currencies were generally equal, making folks from higher-cost BC "rich" in USD) only to have it contract a few years later when the USD became weaker vs the CAD at roughly C$1.20-1.35 per USD, a level it remains at today. The BC license plates largely disappeared from the BLI parking lots.

They really don't need a high CDN:US exchange rate. The savings in taxes/customs fees that apply to air crossings but not land crossings to U.S. destinations can mean significant passenger savings (or, more fare going to carriers).

One-way BLI-LAS on a $59 ticket on WN

$17.41 in taxes
$41.47 to carrier

One-way YVR-LAS (on cheapest, USD 112 fare on WS)

Canada Goods And Services Tax GST Including CA Tax (XG)
$3.60
Canadian Air Travelers Security Charge (CA)
$9.70
United States Immigration User Fee (XY)
$7.00
United States Customs User Fee (YC)
$6.11
Canada Airport Improvement Fee AIF (SQ)
$20.10
United States APHIS Passenger Fee Passengers (XA)
$3.96
US International Arrival Tax (US)
$19.10

total $69.57
$41.76 to carrier

The phenomenon of Canadians origininating from proximate U.S. airports to PHX/PSP/TUS/LAS/FLL/MCO/MIA... is not new. You ought to count the passengers getting off a DL flight from Orlando and heading to the Robert Q shuttles to Windsor and London, Ontario, at DTW.

I have friends from Victoria B.C. who are flying Southwest for the first time from BLI to LAS in February for a wedding.
They shopped the cost of the
Saturday to Saturday nonstop flights between YVR/BLI
And LAS.
Air Canada was $514 total.
WestJet was $318 total.
AllegiantAir was $218 total.
Southwest was $117.96 total.
Everyone except Southwest was just one check bag.
Because they’re bringing several outfits for clubbing nights out on the town they said the benefits of flying WN will be worth the drive to BLI now that the boarder is open.
Parking fees at BLI are 80% cheaper than economy parking fees at YVR .
They drive a Toyota Prius so gasoline prices aren’t a problem.
They primarily fly on WestJet for flights to other US destinations 9 out of 10 times But if WN adds more Nonstops from BLI they would consider switching if prices even if a connection is required.
But LAS and PHX trips they usually take Allegiant air.
The other main selling point for them switching to Southwest was the signing up Rapid Rewards credit card bonus awards for their Flights. These bonus points along with them booking their LAS hotel with the new CC allowed them to use their free rewards credits for 2 free round trip Hawaii tickets BLI-HNL via OAK at the end of March.

Situation like this is where WN has the opportunity to gain significant market share out of BLI.

Enjoy or Don’t
Flyguy

MIflyer12 wrote:

Western727 wrote:

I remain only guardedly optimistic about WN's sustained success at BLI, having watched the expansion/contraction cycle at BLI for the last couple of decades. BLI has and will probably continue to be sensitive to the USD/CAD exchange rate. We saw a big expansion in the early 2010s (when the currencies were generally equal, making folks from higher-cost BC "rich" in USD) only to have it contract a few years later when the USD became weaker vs the CAD at roughly C$1.20-1.35 per USD, a level it remains at today. The BC license plates largely disappeared from the BLI parking lots.

They really don't need a high CDN:US exchange rate. The savings in taxes/customs fees that apply to air crossings but not land crossings to U.S. destinations can mean significant passenger savings (or, more fare going to carriers).

One-way BLI-LAS on a $59 ticket on WN

$17.41 in taxes
$41.47 to carrier

One-way YVR-LAS (on cheapest, USD 112 fare on WS)

Canada Goods And Services Tax GST Including CA Tax (XG)
$3.60
Canadian Air Travelers Security Charge (CA)
$9.70
United States Immigration User Fee (XY)
$7.00
United States Customs User Fee (YC)
$6.11
Canada Airport Improvement Fee AIF (SQ)
$20.10
United States APHIS Passenger Fee Passengers (XA)
$3.96
US International Arrival Tax (US)
$19.10

total $69.57
$41.76 to carrier

The phenomenon of Canadians origininating from proximate U.S. airports to PHX/PSP/TUS/LAS/FLL/MCO/MIA... is not new. You ought to count the passengers getting off a DL flight from Orlando and heading to the Robert Q shuttles to Windsor and London, Ontario, at DTW.

Assuming that WN keeps a regular fare of $59, this difference can add up. What WN keeps as a fare is another question. Except for sales, I'm betting it will eventually climb up to closer to $100 for Want to Get Away fares and $250ish for short-notice. Regardless, what was once an easy crossing in the past, now faces more scrutiny at the border for COVID and US security changes. Maybe it's not that big a deal, but it might slow down the flow across the border for flights.

I believe BLI will be successful drawing many passengers from YVR. "Bags fly free" has a huge advantage. I expect Southwest Airlines will use the 737 - 800's during the very busy Summer Travel Season.

Wneast wrote:

Wnflyguy or anyone know if COS is moving slower in the ramp up of more flights or I’m guessing it’s waiting and see how HOU and SAT perform ? Would love to see Florida and more ?

I think WN came across as way to optimistic when it launched COS and lead many to believe it would be ramped up very quickly. What was said was more than the typical “we’re excited to be here” comments when a new destination starts. The execs that were on hand made comments about ramping up the operation quickly. I’m guessing that some of the issues we saw WN have over the summer may have prevented any new additions but it has definitely left a sour taste in some folks mouths around here who were expecting more from WN. Unfortunately the local tourism folks and newspaper continue to treat WN like it’s the best thing since sliced bread. Nobody dare questions the lack of expansion that was much discussed when WN arrived…

To try and be more positive though, hopefully the HOU and SAT tests go well and convince WN to add destinations. I think HOU has a better chance of sticking around just due to it being a WN hub. Having seen some tourism marketing numbers from this summer, some destinations not currently served (by anyone) out of COS that saw a lot of visitors to the area were AUS, OMA and MCI. Not saying WN should start serving these markets out of COS but they don’t have any competition and would fit WN’s P2P model (what’s left of it anyways…).

OKCDCA wrote:

Wneast wrote:

Wnflyguy or anyone know if COS is moving slower in the ramp up of more flights or I’m guessing it’s waiting and see how HOU and SAT perform ? Would love to see Florida and more ?

I think WN came across as way to optimistic when it launched COS and lead many to believe it would be ramped up very quickly. What was said was more than the typical “we’re excited to be here” comments when a new destination starts. The execs that were on hand made comments about ramping up the operation quickly. I’m guessing that some of the issues we saw WN have over the summer may have prevented any new additions but it has definitely left a sour taste in some folks mouths around here who were expecting more from WN. Unfortunately the local tourism folks and newspaper continue to treat WN like it’s the best thing since sliced bread. Nobody dare questions the lack of expansion that was much discussed when WN arrived…

To try and be more positive though, hopefully the HOU and SAT tests go well and convince WN to add destinations. I think HOU has a better chance of sticking around just due to it being a WN hub. Having seen some tourism marketing numbers from this summer, some destinations not currently served (by anyone) out of COS that saw a lot of visitors to the area were AUS, OMA and MCI. Not saying WN should start serving these markets out of COS but they don’t have any competition and would fit WN’s P2P model (what’s left of it anyways…).

I could see those I think California and Florida would be on the table with BWI or BNA or both for the east coast we will see I think the melt down over the summer and being understaffed didn’t help hopefully we see something in the schedule but honestly I feel like I have said that like forever

Until WN gets their staffing issues fixed I can’t see them adding much. They still are cutting every month at this point. They cut more over the weekend for March and April already.

wnflyguy wrote:

MIflyer12 wrote:

Western727 wrote:

I remain only guardedly optimistic about WN's sustained success at BLI, having watched the expansion/contraction cycle at BLI for the last couple of decades. BLI has and will probably continue to be sensitive to the USD/CAD exchange rate. We saw a big expansion in the early 2010s (when the currencies were generally equal, making folks from higher-cost BC "rich" in USD) only to have it contract a few years later when the USD became weaker vs the CAD at roughly C$1.20-1.35 per USD, a level it remains at today. The BC license plates largely disappeared from the BLI parking lots.

They really don't need a high CDN:US exchange rate. The savings in taxes/customs fees that apply to air crossings but not land crossings to U.S. destinations can mean significant passenger savings (or, more fare going to carriers).

One-way BLI-LAS on a $59 ticket on WN

$17.41 in taxes
$41.47 to carrier

One-way YVR-LAS (on cheapest, USD 112 fare on WS)

Canada Goods And Services Tax GST Including CA Tax (XG)
$3.60
Canadian Air Travelers Security Charge (CA)
$9.70
United States Immigration User Fee (XY)
$7.00
United States Customs User Fee (YC)
$6.11
Canada Airport Improvement Fee AIF (SQ)
$20.10
United States APHIS Passenger Fee Passengers (XA)
$3.96
US International Arrival Tax (US)
$19.10

total $69.57
$41.76 to carrier

The phenomenon of Canadians origininating from proximate U.S. airports to PHX/PSP/TUS/LAS/FLL/MCO/MIA... is not new. You ought to count the passengers getting off a DL flight from Orlando and heading to the Robert Q shuttles to Windsor and London, Ontario, at DTW.

I have friends from Victoria B.C. who are flying Southwest for the first time from BLI to LAS in February for a wedding.
They shopped the cost of the
Saturday to Saturday nonstop flights between YVR/BLI
And LAS.
Air Canada was $514 total.
WestJet was $318 total.
AllegiantAir was $218 total.
Southwest was $117.96 total.
Everyone except Southwest was just one check bag.
Because they’re bringing several outfits for clubbing nights out on the town they said the benefits of flying WN will be worth the drive to BLI now that the boarder is open.
Parking fees at BLI are 80% cheaper than economy parking fees at YVR .
They drive a Toyota Prius so gasoline prices aren’t a problem.
They primarily fly on WestJet for flights to other US destinations 9 out of 10 times But if WN adds more Nonstops from BLI they would consider switching if prices even if a connection is required.
But LAS and PHX trips they usually take Allegiant air.
The other main selling point for them switching to Southwest was the signing up Rapid Rewards credit card bonus awards for their Flights. These bonus points along with them booking their LAS hotel with the new CC allowed them to use their free rewards credits for 2 free round trip Hawaii tickets BLI-HNL via OAK at the end of March.

Situation like this is where WN has the opportunity to gain significant market share out of BLI.

Enjoy or Don’t
Flyguy

Which credit card from Southwest can be obtained from residents of Canada?

ytib wrote:

wnflyguy wrote:

MIflyer12 wrote:

They really don't need a high CDN:US exchange rate. The savings in taxes/customs fees that apply to air crossings but not land crossings to U.S. destinations can mean significant passenger savings (or, more fare going to carriers).

One-way BLI-LAS on a $59 ticket on WN

$17.41 in taxes
$41.47 to carrier

One-way YVR-LAS (on cheapest, USD 112 fare on WS)

Canada Goods And Services Tax GST Including CA Tax (XG)
$3.60
Canadian Air Travelers Security Charge (CA)
$9.70
United States Immigration User Fee (XY)
$7.00
United States Customs User Fee (YC)
$6.11
Canada Airport Improvement Fee AIF (SQ)
$20.10
United States APHIS Passenger Fee Passengers (XA)
$3.96
US International Arrival Tax (US)
$19.10

total $69.57
$41.76 to carrier

The phenomenon of Canadians origininating from proximate U.S. airports to PHX/PSP/TUS/LAS/FLL/MCO/MIA... is not new. You ought to count the passengers getting off a DL flight from Orlando and heading to the Robert Q shuttles to Windsor and London, Ontario, at DTW.

I have friends from Victoria B.C. who are flying Southwest for the first time from BLI to LAS in February for a wedding.
They shopped the cost of the
Saturday to Saturday nonstop flights between YVR/BLI
And LAS.
Air Canada was $514 total.
WestJet was $318 total.
AllegiantAir was $218 total.
Southwest was $117.96 total.
Everyone except Southwest was just one check bag.
Because they’re bringing several outfits for clubbing nights out on the town they said the benefits of flying WN will be worth the drive to BLI now that the boarder is open.
Parking fees at BLI are 80% cheaper than economy parking fees at YVR .
They drive a Toyota Prius so gasoline prices aren’t a problem.
They primarily fly on WestJet for flights to other US destinations 9 out of 10 times But if WN adds more Nonstops from BLI they would consider switching if prices even if a connection is required.
But LAS and PHX trips they usually take Allegiant air.
The other main selling point for them switching to Southwest was the signing up Rapid Rewards credit card bonus awards for their Flights. These bonus points along with them booking their LAS hotel with the new CC allowed them to use their free rewards credits for 2 free round trip Hawaii tickets BLI-HNL via OAK at the end of March.

Situation like this is where WN has the opportunity to gain significant market share out of BLI.

Enjoy or Don’t
Flyguy

Which credit card from Southwest can be obtained from residents of Canada?

none. You can only apply if you have an address in the 50 United States, D.C., Guam, Puerto Rico or The U.S. Virgin Islands - so much for that. Unless they have a U.S. address that card isn't gonna do anything to draw people from across the border.

ASFlyer wrote:

ytib wrote:

wnflyguy wrote:

I have friends from Victoria B.C. who are flying Southwest for the first time from BLI to LAS in February for a wedding.
They shopped the cost of the
Saturday to Saturday nonstop flights between YVR/BLI
And LAS.
Air Canada was $514 total.
WestJet was $318 total.
AllegiantAir was $218 total.
Southwest was $117.96 total.
Everyone except Southwest was just one check bag.
Because they’re bringing several outfits for clubbing nights out on the town they said the benefits of flying WN will be worth the drive to BLI now that the boarder is open.
Parking fees at BLI are 80% cheaper than economy parking fees at YVR .
They drive a Toyota Prius so gasoline prices aren’t a problem.
They primarily fly on WestJet for flights to other US destinations 9 out of 10 times But if WN adds more Nonstops from BLI they would consider switching if prices even if a connection is required.
But LAS and PHX trips they usually take Allegiant air.
The other main selling point for them switching to Southwest was the signing up Rapid Rewards credit card bonus awards for their Flights. These bonus points along with them booking their LAS hotel with the new CC allowed them to use their free rewards credits for 2 free round trip Hawaii tickets BLI-HNL via OAK at the end of March.

Situation like this is where WN has the opportunity to gain significant market share out of BLI.

Enjoy or Don’t
Flyguy

Which credit card from Southwest can be obtained from residents of Canada?

none. You can only apply if you have an address in the 50 United States, D.C., Guam, Puerto Rico or The U.S. Virgin Islands - so much for that. Unless they have a U.S. address that card isn't gonna do anything to draw people from across the border.

It's actually fairly easy for Canadians to apply for a US credit card. Most large Canadian banks (TD, BMO, RBC) offer cross-border bank accounts for Canadians via their US subsidiaries to use to help open the account, and most Canadians who live near the US border likely have family/friends who live in the US they can just use their US mailing address as theirs. It's also pretty easy for Canadians to apply for an ITIN to use in lieu of a SSN, and in some cases (as in the case of American Express), you don't even need to have an ITIN to get a US card if you are Canadian. I don't know how it works for the Chase/WN card, but I have friends in YVR who have the Delta Amex Gold card and the AA Aviator card.

USAirALB wrote:

ASFlyer wrote:

ytib wrote:

Which credit card from Southwest can be obtained from residents of Canada?

none. You can only apply if you have an address in the 50 United States, D.C., Guam, Puerto Rico or The U.S. Virgin Islands - so much for that. Unless they have a U.S. address that card isn't gonna do anything to draw people from across the border.

It's actually fairly easy for Canadians to apply for a US credit card. Most large Canadian banks (TD, BMO, RBC) offer cross-border bank accounts for Canadians via their US subsidiaries to use to help open the account, and most Canadians who live near the US border likely have family/friends who live in the US they can just use their US mailing address as theirs. It's also pretty easy for Canadians to apply for an ITIN to use in lieu of a SSN, and in some cases (as in the case of American Express), you don't even need to have an ITIN to get a US card if you are Canadian. I don't know how it works for the Chase/WN card, but I have friends in YVR who have the Delta Amex Gold card and the AA Aviator card.

When I would fly Alaska (Gold 75k) and the FA's would pitch the credit card they had three applications available. Regular, Small Business and Canada.

ytib wrote:

USAirALB wrote:

ASFlyer wrote:

none. You can only apply if you have an address in the 50 United States, D.C., Guam, Puerto Rico or The U.S. Virgin Islands - so much for that. Unless they have a U.S. address that card isn't gonna do anything to draw people from across the border.

It's actually fairly easy for Canadians to apply for a US credit card. Most large Canadian banks (TD, BMO, RBC) offer cross-border bank accounts for Canadians via their US subsidiaries to use to help open the account, and most Canadians who live near the US border likely have family/friends who live in the US they can just use their US mailing address as theirs. It's also pretty easy for Canadians to apply for an ITIN to use in lieu of a SSN, and in some cases (as in the case of American Express), you don't even need to have an ITIN to get a US card if you are Canadian. I don't know how it works for the Chase/WN card, but I have friends in YVR who have the Delta Amex Gold card and the AA Aviator card.

When I would fly Alaska (Gold 75k) and the FA's would pitch the credit card they had three applications available. Regular, Small Business and Canada.

AS has a Canadian co-branded credit card. I think they are the only US carrier at present to have a Canadian card.

ytib wrote:

wnflyguy wrote:

MIflyer12 wrote:

They really don't need a high CDN:US exchange rate. The savings in taxes/customs fees that apply to air crossings but not land crossings to U.S. destinations can mean significant passenger savings (or, more fare going to carriers).

One-way BLI-LAS on a $59 ticket on WN

$17.41 in taxes
$41.47 to carrier

One-way YVR-LAS (on cheapest, USD 112 fare on WS)

Canada Goods And Services Tax GST Including CA Tax (XG)
$3.60
Canadian Air Travelers Security Charge (CA)
$9.70
United States Immigration User Fee (XY)
$7.00
United States Customs User Fee (YC)
$6.11
Canada Airport Improvement Fee AIF (SQ)
$20.10
United States APHIS Passenger Fee Passengers (XA)
$3.96
US International Arrival Tax (US)
$19.10

total $69.57
$41.76 to carrier

The phenomenon of Canadians origininating from proximate U.S. airports to PHX/PSP/TUS/LAS/FLL/MCO/MIA... is not new. You ought to count the passengers getting off a DL flight from Orlando and heading to the Robert Q shuttles to Windsor and London, Ontario, at DTW.

I have friends from Victoria B.C. who are flying Southwest for the first time from BLI to LAS in February for a wedding.
They shopped the cost of the
Saturday to Saturday nonstop flights between YVR/BLI
And LAS.
Air Canada was $514 total.
WestJet was $318 total.
AllegiantAir was $218 total.
Southwest was $117.96 total.
Everyone except Southwest was just one check bag.
Because they’re bringing several outfits for clubbing nights out on the town they said the benefits of flying WN will be worth the drive to BLI now that the boarder is open.
Parking fees at BLI are 80% cheaper than economy parking fees at YVR .
They drive a Toyota Prius so gasoline prices aren’t a problem.
They primarily fly on WestJet for flights to other US destinations 9 out of 10 times But if WN adds more Nonstops from BLI they would consider switching if prices even if a connection is required.
But LAS and PHX trips they usually take Allegiant air.
The other main selling point for them switching to Southwest was the signing up Rapid Rewards credit card bonus awards for their Flights. These bonus points along with them booking their LAS hotel with the new CC allowed them to use their free rewards credits for 2 free round trip Hawaii tickets BLI-HNL via OAK at the end of March.

Situation like this is where WN has the opportunity to gain significant market share out of BLI.

Enjoy or Don’t
Flyguy

Which credit card from Southwest can be obtained from residents of Canada?

I forgot that they have Duel citizenship and own a winter condo in Parker,AZ.(which he’s originally from)
But up until now with WN starting BLI they’ve never seen the need to get a WN RRCC.
But Many Canadian Snow birds who are ExPATs have duel citizenships so WN being accessible via BLI gives them a great new opportunity for cheap flights.
Remember WN is now on every major Bookings environment so a lot of these advancements open WN up to 3ed party reservations that will conveniently accommodate
,accept and convert foreign currency to be applied towards a purchase of a WN ticket eliminating a 50yr hurdle that’s hampered WN in the past.
Future updates coming to WN will Allow themselves to process foreign sales directly thru Southwest.com.

But Because Chase Bank is a world wide business and a 3ed party distributor that offers the WN RRCC. It’s easy for them to offer the Card to a Canadian citizen to redeem WN rewards unless in either WN policy or Chase Bank policy specifically states only valid for US citizenship.


Enjoy or Don’t
Flyguy

wnflyguy wrote:

ytib wrote:

wnflyguy wrote:

I have friends from Victoria B.C. who are flying Southwest for the first time from BLI to LAS in February for a wedding.
They shopped the cost of the
Saturday to Saturday nonstop flights between YVR/BLI
And LAS.
Air Canada was $514 total.
WestJet was $318 total.
AllegiantAir was $218 total.
Southwest was $117.96 total.
Everyone except Southwest was just one check bag.
Because they’re bringing several outfits for clubbing nights out on the town they said the benefits of flying WN will be worth the drive to BLI now that the boarder is open.
Parking fees at BLI are 80% cheaper than economy parking fees at YVR .
They drive a Toyota Prius so gasoline prices aren’t a problem.
They primarily fly on WestJet for flights to other US destinations 9 out of 10 times But if WN adds more Nonstops from BLI they would consider switching if prices even if a connection is required.
But LAS and PHX trips they usually take Allegiant air.
The other main selling point for them switching to Southwest was the signing up Rapid Rewards credit card bonus awards for their Flights. These bonus points along with them booking their LAS hotel with the new CC allowed them to use their free rewards credits for 2 free round trip Hawaii tickets BLI-HNL via OAK at the end of March.

Situation like this is where WN has the opportunity to gain significant market share out of BLI.

Enjoy or Don’t
Flyguy

Which credit card from Southwest can be obtained from residents of Canada?

I forgot that they have Duel citizenship and own a winter condo in Parker,AZ.(which he’s originally from)
But up until now with WN starting BLI they’ve never seen the need to get a WN RRCC.
But Many Canadian Snow birds who are ExPATs have duel citizenships so WN being accessible via BLI gives them a great new opportunity for cheap flights.
Remember WN is now on every major Bookings environment so a lot of these advancements open WN up to 3ed party reservations that will conveniently accommodate
,accept and convert foreign currency to be applied towards a purchase of a WN ticket eliminating a 50yr hurdle that’s hampered WN in the past.
Future updates coming to WN will Allow themselves to process foreign sales directly thru Southwest.com.

But Because Chase Bank is a world wide business and a 3ed party distributor that offers the WN RRCC. It’s easy for them to offer the Card to a Canadian citizen to redeem WN rewards unless in either WN policy or Chase Bank policy specifically states only valid for US citizenship.


Enjoy or Don’t
Flyguy

Southwest’s policy specifically states that it’s only for persons with a United States address

planecane wrote:

When is the first MAX 7 delivery targeted for?

1Q 2022 was the target, but it is the middle of November and we haven't heard anything from Boeing in regards to the certification of the Max 7.... so it's anyone's guess at this point. WN plans on only taking Max 7s in 2022

Here is a comparison of number of passengers on WN in August 2019 compared to the number of passengers on WN in August 2021:
ABQ - 234782 passengers in August 2019, 144675 passengers in August 2021 (61.62% of August 2019 levels)
ALB - 82316 passengers in August 2019, 76898 passengers in August 2021 (93.42% of August 2019 levels)
AMA - 27919 passengers in August 2019, 23655 passengers in August 2021 (84.73% of August 2019 levels)
ATL - 768442 passengers in August 2019, 606159 passengers in August 2021 (78.88% of August 2019 levels)
AUS - 494629 passengers in August 2019, 466015 passengers in August 2021 (94.22% of August 2019 levels)
BDL - 113113 passengers in August 2019, 81848 passengers in August 2021 (72.36% of August 2019 levels)
BHM - 62662 passengers in August 2019, 51048 passengers in August 2021 (81.47% of August 2019 levels)
BNA - 824479 passengers in August 2019, 871336 passengers in August 2021 (105.68% of August 2019 levels)
BOI - 91988 passengers in August 2019, 93526 passengers in August 2021 (101.67% of August 2019 levels)
BOS - 240433 passengers in August 2019, 137840 passengers in August 2021 (57.33% of August 2019 levels)
BUF - 125092 passengers in August 2019, 91178 passengers in August 2021 (72.89% of August 2019 levels)
BUR - 372710 passengers in August 2019, 268841 passengers in August 2021 (72.13% of August 2019 levels)
BWI - 1552285 passengers in August 2019, 1326890 passengers in August 2021 (85.48% of August 2019 levels)
CHS - 66213 passengers in August 2019, 79897 passengers in August 2021 (120.67% of August 2019 levels)
CLE - 141792 passengers in August 2019, 115649 passengers in August 2021 (81.56% of August 2019 levels)
CLT - 64694 passengers in August 2019, 52111 passengers in August 2021 (80.55% of August 2019 levels)
CMH - 232240 passengers in August 2019, 186852 passengers in August 2021 (80.46% of August 2019 levels)
CRP - 17492 passengers in August 2019, 13103 passengers in August 2021 (74.91% of August 2019 levels)
CVG - 53497 passengers in August 2019, 52205 passengers in August 2021 (97.58% of August 2019 levels)
DAL - 1308856 passengers in August 2019, 1185667 passengers in August 2021 (90.59% of August 2019 levels)
DCA - 306142 passengers in August 2019, 167567 passengers in August 2021 (54.74% of August 2019 levels)
DEN - 1697350 passengers in August 2019, 1854478 passengers in August 2021 (109.26% of August 2019 levels)
DSM - 23506 passengers in August 2019, 23309 passengers in August 2021 (99.16% of August 2019 levels)
DTW - 126122 passengers in August 2019, 86102 passengers in August 2021 (68.27% of August 2019 levels)
ECP - 47739 passengers in August 2019, 92932 passengers in August 2021 (194.67% of August 2019 levels)
ELP - 140010 passengers in August 2019, 104208 passengers in August 2021 (74.43% of August 2019 levels)
FLL - 419763 passengers in August 2019, 317443 passengers in August 2021 (75.62% of August 2019 levels)
GEG - 87787 passengers in August 2019, 86834 passengers in August 2021 (98.91% of August 2019 levels)
GRR - 34356 passengers in August 2019, 44553 passengers in August 2021 (129.68% of August 2019 levels)
GSP - 17542 passengers in August 2019, 24995 passengers in August 2021 (142.49% of August 2019 levels)
HNL - 94155 passengers in August 2019, 198908 passengers in August 2021 (211.26% of August 2019 levels)
HOU - 1056086 passengers in August 2019, 907166 passengers in August 2021 (85.90% of August 2019 levels)
HRL - 31003 passengers in August 2019, 30154 passengers in August 2021 (97.26% of August 2019 levels)
IAD - 38405 passengers in August 2019, 42969 passengers in August 2021 (111.88% of August 2019 levels)
ICT - 28077 passengers in August 2019, 15045 passengers in August 2021 (53.58% of August 2019 levels)
IND - 207640 passengers in August 2019, 176354 passengers in August 2021 (84.93% of August 2019 levels)
ISP - 85343 passengers in August 2019, 62474 passengers in August 2021 (73.20% of August 2019 levels)
JAX - 103738 passengers in August 2019, 83588 passengers in August 2021 (80.58% of August 2019 levels)
KOA - 31222 passengers in August 2019, 42149 passengers in August 2021 (135.00% of August 2019 levels)
LAS - 1459794 passengers in August 2019, 1426845 passengers in August 2021 (97.74% of August 2019 levels)
LAX - 806827 passengers in August 2019, 493814 passengers in August 2021 (61.20% of August 2019 levels)
LBB - 47921 passengers in August 2019, 32701 passengers in August 2021 (68.24% of August 2019 levels)
LGA - 254662 passengers in August 2019, 130513 passengers in August 2021 (51.25% of August 2019 levels)
LGB - 111791 passengers in August 2019, 160566 passengers in August 2021 (143.63% of August 2019 levels)
LIT - 42415 passengers in August 2019, 35235 passengers in August 2021 (83.07% of August 2019 levels)
MAF - 53091 passengers in August 2019, 39066 passengers in August 2021 (73.58% of August 2019 levels)
MCI - 484283 passengers in August 2019, 321386 passengers in August 2021 (66.36% of August 2019 levels)
MCO - 767772 passengers in August 2019, 840150 passengers in August 2021 (109.43% of August 2019 levels)
MDW - 1742105 passengers in August 2019, 1553440 passengers in August 2021 (89.17% of August 2019 levels)
MEM - 63790 passengers in August 2019, 61643 passengers in August 2021 (96.63% of August 2019 levels)
MHT - 82445 passengers in August 2019, 59405 passengers in August 2021 (72.05% of August 2019 levels)
MKE - 247298 passengers in August 2019, 178402 passengers in August 2021 (72.14% of August 2019 levels)
MSP - 170112 passengers in August 2019, 130195 passengers in August 2021 (76.53% of August 2019 levels)
MSY - 374355 passengers in August 2019, 238758 passengers in August 2021 (63.78% of August 2019 levels)
OAK - 818246 passengers in August 2019, 591200 passengers in August 2021 (72.25% of August 2019 levels)
OGG - 61351 passengers in August 2019, 108457 passengers in August 2021 (176.78% of August 2019 levels)
OKC - 127095 passengers in August 2019, 99462 passengers in August 2021 (78.26% of August 2019 levels)
OMA - 136267 passengers in August 2019, 128104 passengers in August 2021 (94.01% of August 2019 levels)
ONT - 242845 passengers in August 2019, 155582 passengers in August 2021 (64.07% of August 2019 levels)
ORF - 60194 passengers in August 2019, 66551 passengers in August 2021 (110.56% of August 2019 levels)
PBI - 40173 passengers in August 2019, 31245 passengers in August 2021 (77.78% of August 2019 levels)
PDX - 314509 passengers in August 2019, 189096 passengers in August 2021 (60.12% of August 2019 levels)
PHL - 185799 passengers in August 2019, 120495 passengers in August 2021 (64.85% of August 2019 levels)
PHX - 1257277 passengers in August 2019, 1189821 passengers in August 2021 (94.63% of August 2019 levels)
PIT - 209794 passengers in August 2019, 180557 passengers in August 2021 (86.06% of August 2019 levels)
PNS - 34590 passengers in August 2019, 64005 passengers in August 2021 (185.04% of August 2019 levels)
PVD - 127259 passengers in August 2019, 80601 passengers in August 2021 (63.34% of August 2019 levels)
PWM - 38381 passengers in August 2019, 41497 passengers in August 2021 (108.12% of August 2019 levels)
RDU - 226066 passengers in August 2019, 147015 passengers in August 2021 (65.03% of August 2019 levels)
RIC - 25331 passengers in August 2019, 34697 passengers in August 2021 (136.97% of August 2019 levels)
RNO - 158506 passengers in August 2019, 138784 passengers in August 2021 (87.56% of August 2019 levels)
ROC - 35305 passengers in August 2019, 32817 passengers in August 2021 (92.95% of August 2019 levels)
RSW - 90630 passengers in August 2019, 158614 passengers in August 2021 (175.01% of August 2019 levels)
SAN - 844082 passengers in August 2019, 558858 passengers in August 2021 (66.21% of August 2019 levels)
SAT - 322325 passengers in August 2019, 236896 passengers in August 2021 (73.50% of August 2019 levels)
SDF - 93453 passengers in August 2019, 84576 passengers in August 2021 (90.50% of August 2019 levels)
SEA - 290996 passengers in August 2019, 246213 passengers in August 2021 (84.61% of August 2019 levels)
SFO - 297490 passengers in August 2019, 135607 passengers in August 2021 (45.58% of August 2019 levels)
SJC - 706245 passengers in August 2019, 410669 passengers in August 2021 (58.15% of August 2019 levels)
SJU - 79289 passengers in August 2019, 135699 passengers in August 2021 (171.14% of August 2019 levels)
SLC - 222502 passengers in August 2019, 229906 passengers in August 2021 (103.33% of August 2019 levels)
SMF - 605560 passengers in August 2019, 473139 passengers in August 2021 (78.13% of August 2019 levels)
SNA - 284304 passengers in August 2019, 344596 passengers in August 2021 (121.21% of August 2019 levels)
STL - 842069 passengers in August 2019, 610859 passengers in August 2021 (72.54% of August 2019 levels)
TPA - 497465 passengers in August 2019, 447499 passengers in August 2021 (89.96% of August 2019 levels)
TUL - 86310 passengers in August 2019, 70576 passengers in August 2021 (81.77% of August 2019 levels)
TUS - 78129 passengers in August 2019, 60001 passengers in August 2021 (76.80% of August 2019 levels)

Domestic stations where WN carried more passengers in August 2021 than in August 2019 include BNA, BOI, CHS, DEN, ECP, GRR, GSP, HNL, IAD, KOA, LGB, MCO, OGG, ORF, PNS, PWM, RIC, RSW, SJC, SLC, and SNA.

Pretty sure, MEM was well over 2019 numbers for Sept in 2021 just bring the data forward a bit. Think the number was around 15% more.