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Re: Spanish Aviation Thread - 2021

Sat Mar 27, 2021 1:59 pm

Another new Spanish airline: Islas Air plans to start flights in Balearic Islands connecting the islands and mainland Spain. They will be using DHC-6 Twin Otter aircraft.

https://allplane.tv/blog/2021/1/5/airli ... st-is-open
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Wed Mar 31, 2021 5:55 pm

Vueling will base a 3rd plane in Santiago de Compostela (SCQ) from June 2021. That is Vueling's only base in Northern Spain with BIO (5 planes).

https://www.lavozdegalicia.es/noticia/s ... 180895.htm

The new routes from SCQ are Ibiza, Menorca, Valencia, Sevilla and Gran Canaria.
 
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Wed Mar 31, 2021 11:46 pm

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Following the German goverment's relaxation of travel restrictions to Mallorca, some airlines have rushed to offer a number of flights between Palma and many destinations in Germany.


And now the bad awakening, after SUNDAIR cancelled their flights from KSF, easyjet pulled out on PMI to HAM. Makes me wonder, if VY will be committed to their 5 new German routes ex PMI...
 
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Thu Apr 01, 2021 10:39 am

debonair wrote:
jmmadrid wrote:
Following the German goverment's relaxation of travel restrictions to Mallorca, some airlines have rushed to offer a number of flights between Palma and many destinations in Germany.


And now the bad awakening, after SUNDAIR cancelled their flights from KSF, easyjet pulled out on PMI to HAM. Makes me wonder, if VY will be committed to their 5 new German routes ex PMI...


IF true, it's just a few cases.
Check today's arrivals at PMI and you'll see the massive operation carried out by CONDOR and EUROWINGS, and LH and TuiFly at a lesser scale. 57 arrivals from Germany today!
According to some sources there are at least 60.000 german tourists in Mallorca now.
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Re: Spanish Aviation Thread - 2021

Thu Apr 01, 2021 11:17 am

Question: have there even been direct flights from the USA to Malaga? Or a nearby airport along the coast?
 
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Thu Apr 01, 2021 11:32 am

Delta had a transatlantic route to Malaga from JFK
https://news.delta.com/delta-celebrates ... laga-spain
 
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Thu Apr 01, 2021 12:54 pm

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Delta had a transatlantic route to Malaga from JFK
https://news.delta.com/delta-celebrates ... laga-spain


Thanks.

I can't wait to get back there once covid is under control. All this time I figured I'd have to go through Madrid.
 
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Thu Apr 01, 2021 2:26 pm

vedatil4 wrote:
davidjohnson6 wrote:
Delta had a transatlantic route to Malaga from JFK
https://news.delta.com/delta-celebrates ... laga-spain


Thanks.

I can't wait to get back there once covid is under control. All this time I figured I'd have to go through Madrid.


Unfortunately, I don't think this flight is coming back this summer.
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Re: Spanish Aviation Thread - 2021

Sat Apr 03, 2021 3:54 pm

Don't know if mentioned before, but W2Fly revealed yesterday it's A350 with the airline's livery. Tbh, i prefer how it looks on the A330, but i guess there's no accounting for taste:

https://simpleflying.com/world-2-fly-a350-paint-shop/
 
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Tue Apr 06, 2021 12:06 am

Madrid - Menorca PSO has been formally advertised in the Office Journal of the EU for new bidders...
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content ... 7667497140
 
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Re: Spanish Aviation Thread - 2021

Thu Apr 08, 2021 4:54 pm

Binter announced today that it will be launching 6 new routes from Gran Canaria next summer. Starting in July, Lille, Toulouse, Venice, Turin and Reus will be connected 2 times per week with the Canary Islands, with Binter's Embraer jets. Marseille will also have one weekly flight to the Islands. That's quite a big expansion for an airline that size, especially during the challening times we are going through. Wish them best of luck!

https://www.eldia.es/economia/2021/04/0 ... 79779.html
 
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Thu Apr 08, 2021 5:00 pm

Also today,:

- Vueling announced it will be launching flights from Murcia to Santander, Bilbao and Barcelona next summer.
- Ryanair announced it will be connecting Santiago (SCQ) to Fuerteventura, Ibiza & Menorca.

Those additions reaffirm the bet airlines are placing on domestic travel for the upcoming summer season. As it looks like at the moment, there will be intense competition from mainland Spanish airports to the Islands (Balearic + Canary), with the competition being especially fierce between Ryanair, Vueling and Volotea
 
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Thu Apr 08, 2021 5:04 pm

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Binter announced today that it will be launching 6 new routes from Gran Canaria next summer. Starting in July, Lille, Toulouse, Venice, Turin and Reus will be connected 2 times per week with the Canary Islands, with Binter's Embraer jets. Marseille will also have one weekly flight to the Islands. That's quite a big expansion for an airline that size, especially during the challening times we are going through. Wish them best of luck!

https://www.eldia.es/economia/2021/04/0 ... 9779r.html


Those E Jets are really opening up the route map for Binter . Its great to see and the routes are quite a nice selection.
 
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Wed Apr 14, 2021 5:06 pm

Big announcement today coming from Iberia Group. Pending for approval, IB has applied for 2/w MAD-MLE during July and August.

In total, 112 routes to be served during summer, including those in the US that were cancelled due to the pandemic (except for SFO).

Only in Spanish: https://www.preferente.com/noticias-de- ... 08570.html

Looks like an ambitious schedule. It will all depend on the easing of travel restrictions. Let's hope for a promising period of growth!
 
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Wed Apr 14, 2021 8:12 pm

Interesting how today Iberia announced it would be returning to the majority of their pre-covid long haul destinations next summer (even announcing a new route to Maldives), whilst LEVEL announced they would be cancelling most routes for the summer and operating only a limited schedule to New York and Buenos Aires. Has there really been such a drastic difference in demand picking up from Madrid and not from Barcelona??
 
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Wed Apr 14, 2021 9:13 pm

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Interesting how today Iberia announced it would be returning to the majority of their pre-covid long haul destinations next summer (even announcing a new route to Maldives), whilst LEVEL announced they would be cancelling most routes for the summer and operating only a limited schedule to New York and Buenos Aires. Has there really been such a drastic difference in demand picking up from Madrid and not from Barcelona??


I believe it has to do with the local regulations regarding COVID as MAD has been more open compared to BCN. At the same time this has ensured them to run their short-haul routes effectively due to the local demand enabling them to connect long haul passengers to connect onto these flights. It has been quite the opposite with BCN and connecting onto VY.
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Re: Spanish Aviation Thread - 2021

Wed Apr 14, 2021 9:27 pm

It has to do with the connecting traffic.

LEVEL is 95% point to point. As long as borders don´t open, LEVEL won´t fly much.

IB has a short and medium haul network that allows good connections.

LEVEL and VY connections don´t work that well, due to VY unreliable schedule.

But don´t worry, the IB long haul network is very thin. They might fly to a lot of destination, but majority are 1-5 frequencies per week.
 
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Re: Spanish Aviation Thread - 2021

Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:07 pm

Air Baltic announces it will be launching flights to Tenerife South from Riga on the 2nd of September. A nice addition for TFS.
 
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Mon Apr 26, 2021 12:13 pm

Let the fight begin, W2F vs. Iberojet Group - this will be bloody, hopefully both will survive... :box:

W2F will base the A330-300 at LIS, in direct competition with ORBEST. At MAD W2F will base the newest addition A350-900 in direct competition with EVELOP.

https://www.hosteltur.com/143732_world2 ... vuelo.html
 
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Mon Apr 26, 2021 4:43 pm

LEVEL to launch Barcelona-Cancún from July 2.

https://twitter.com/Aeropuerto_BCN/status/1386633406537216002?s=20
 
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Thu Apr 29, 2021 6:41 pm

Fantastic news today for some Spanish regional airports.

Volotea have announced summer seasonal flights:
San Sebastian - Menorca
San Sebastian - Palma de Mallorca
Reus - Menorca
Reus - Palma de Mallorca
Salamanca - Palma de Mallorca
Badajoz - Palma de Mallorca
La Coruna - Menorca
La Coruna - Bilbao
Murcia - Menorca

All routes 2x weekly, operated by Airbus A319.
https://twitter.com/novedadesaereas/sta ... 9716160516

I'm delighted with this announcement as San Sebastian (EAS) is my home airport. Pre-pandemic we had 6-7x daily flights to MAD with IB Regional and 2x daily flights to BCN with VY; currently there's just 1 daily flight to MAD with IB. Great to see other airlines interested in regional leisure travel.
 
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Thu Apr 29, 2021 7:42 pm

Will these routes still be flown next year when (hopefully) Covid is of lesser significance in Europe and international travel becomes more possible ?
 
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Thu Apr 29, 2021 10:17 pm

guillermohs wrote:
Big announcement today coming from Iberia Group. Pending for approval, IB has applied for 2/w MAD-MLE during July and August.

In total, 112 routes to be served during summer, including those in the US that were cancelled due to the pandemic (except for SFO).

Only in Spanish: https://www.preferente.com/noticias-de- ... 08570.html

Looks like an ambitious schedule. It will all depend on the easing of travel restrictions. Let's hope for a promising period of growth!


Spain plans to open to vaccinated people starting June. When a definitive date comes in, will Iberia work with AA and coordinate the schedule to and from the U.S.?
https://thepointsguy.com/news/spain-reopening-june/
 
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Thu Apr 29, 2021 10:38 pm

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Vueling will base a 3rd plane in Santiago de Compostela (SCQ) from June 2021. That is Vueling's only base in Northern Spain with BIO (5 planes).

https://www.lavozdegalicia.es/noticia/s ... 180895.htm

The new routes from SCQ are Ibiza, Menorca, Valencia, Sevilla and Gran Canaria.


I wish they would start a flight from London to SCQ!
 
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Fri Apr 30, 2021 11:08 am

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Will these routes still be flown next year when (hopefully) Covid is of lesser significance in Europe and international travel becomes more possible ?


Some of those routes are definitely an overkill. There are a million of new routes from Menorca to mainland Spain. And Menorca is a very niche place to go on holidays for Spaniards. This was traditionally a very Air Nostrum market with low frequencies and small planes.

For instance, from Galicia this summer there are 5 routes: 3 carriers from SCQ (Vueling, Ryanair - first time ever from MAH/IBZ to Galicia or anywhere in Northern Spain - and Volotea), Volotea in LCG and Air Nostrum in VGO. I don't think Menorca-Galicia has ever had more than 2 or 3 routes and usually with Air Nostrum and some years with V7/VY from SCQ.

Asturias is getting Vueling to MAH in addition to V7. And EAS getting MAH flights. So MAH to Northern Spain looks like this from France to Portugal:

- EAS: 1 carrier (V7)
- BIO: 2 carriers (V7/VY)
- SDR: 1 carrier (V7)
- OVD: 2 carriers (V7/VY)
- LCG: 1 carrier (V7)
- SCQ: 3 carriers (V7/VY/FR)
- VGO: 1 carrier (YW)

So there 11 routes between the "coastal" Northern airports and Menorca this summer. And Air Nostrum is also flying PNA-MAH and Volotea also ZAZ-MAH which are not far away.
 
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Fri Apr 30, 2021 11:30 am

SCQ83 wrote:

- EAS: 1 carrier (V7)
- BIO: 2 carriers (V7/VY)
- SDR: 1 carrier (V7)
- OVD: 2 carriers (V7/VY)
- LCG: 1 carrier (V7)
- SCQ: 3 carriers (V7/VY/FR)
- VGO: 1 carrier (YW)

So there 11 routes between the "coastal" Northern airports and Menorca this summer. And Air Nostrum is also flying PNA-MAH and Volotea also ZAZ-MAH which are not far away.


V7 SCQ-MAH won't operate, leaving the route just to Vueling and Ryanair, which seems enough competence anyway;)
 
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Fri Apr 30, 2021 11:41 am

Also YW flying LEN-MAH
 
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Re: Spanish Aviation Thread - 2021

Fri Apr 30, 2021 1:53 pm

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Fantastic news today for some Spanish regional airports.

Volotea have announced summer seasonal flights:
San Sebastian - Menorca
San Sebastian - Palma de Mallorca
Reus - Menorca
Reus - Palma de Mallorca
Salamanca - Palma de Mallorca
Badajoz - Palma de Mallorca
La Coruna - Menorca
La Coruna - Bilbao
Murcia - Menorca

All routes 2x weekly, operated by Airbus A319.
https://twitter.com/novedadesaereas/sta ... 9716160516

I'm delighted with this announcement as San Sebastian (EAS) is my home airport. Pre-pandemic we had 6-7x daily flights to MAD with IB Regional and 2x daily flights to BCN with VY; currently there's just 1 daily flight to MAD with IB. Great to see other airlines interested in regional leisure travel.

Great news for Reus! In roughly a month the airport has seen 2 new airlines adding services (Volotea and Binter) in the midst of a pandemic! Wonder if it could become the "regional" airport for the Barcelona metropolitan area.
 
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Fri Apr 30, 2021 10:14 pm

Why did they opt for Reus instead of BCN?
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Sat May 01, 2021 10:21 am

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Why did they opt for Reus instead of BCN?


BCN to both PMI or MAH see tones of competence. Before COVID, up to 12x/day flights Vueling to PMI, plus 3-4/day UX, and another 3 Ryanair. No need for Volotea there.
 
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Sat May 01, 2021 5:29 pm

a350lover wrote:
marcogr12 wrote:
Why did they opt for Reus instead of BCN?


BCN to both PMI or MAH see tones of competence. Before COVID, up to 12x/day flights Vueling to PMI, plus 3-4/day UX, and another 3 Ryanair. No need for Volotea there.

But aren't they serving the same market? Reus and Barcelona are roughly 1 hour apart from each other, I'd figure REU's catchment area is entirely insided BCN's cathment area.
 
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Sat May 01, 2021 5:45 pm

Someone living near Reus usually flies from BCN but prefers to fly from REU if possible. By flying from REU, presumably Volotea are betting local residents will pay a higher price for flights than if they were to fly from BCN.

Consider the cost of driving 1h to the airport, 1h back and the cost of parking for a week (minus the cost of the local bus or even taxi from home to REU)... then maybe divide that total cost by 4 people and ask the lead passenger to pay some of that extra cost to Volotea while the family of 4 living in Reus save a bit of cash as well. Factor in as well a convenience premium that people will often pay for a 10 min journey from home to the airport instead of a 1h journey

Yes, the car fuel garage, the toll road and the car parking company near BCN all lose out, but that's not Volotea's problem
 
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Sat May 01, 2021 6:05 pm

Reus has its own mini-catchment area: Tarragona, Salou, Cambrils. Not a huge market by any standards, but for those heading to these areas REUS is definitely more convenient than BCN. Salou used to be big with german teenagers, maybe this summer it will see a different crowd.
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Sun May 02, 2021 3:53 am

Easyjet seem to have dropped Granada from their network. Granada's regular passenger flights are now solely domestic
 
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Sun May 02, 2021 7:50 am

aviator2000 wrote:
Great news for Reus! In roughly a month the airport has seen 2 new airlines adding services (Volotea and Binter) in the midst of a pandemic! Wonder if it could become the "regional" airport for the Barcelona metropolitan area.


I recall Binter did the same. They announced LPA-BCN a while ago, they canceled it before starting and moved it to LPA-REU. Clearly they did not stand a chance in BCN competing with Ryanair and Vueling.

Like Volotea cancelling recently MAH from ALC/AGP/SCQ/SVQ after Ryanair announced those routes.

jmmadrid wrote:
Reus has its own mini-catchment area: Tarragona, Salou, Cambrils. Not a huge market by any standards, but for those heading to these areas REUS is definitely more convenient than BCN. Salou used to be big with german teenagers, maybe this summer it will see a different crowd.


I wouldn't be surprised there is also a large VFR community (in both directions) since both regions are part of the "Catalan-speaking world". Students, government workers (e.g. people from Tarragona working as a teacher or doctor in Mallorca/Menorca...).

davidjohnson6 wrote:
Easyjet seem to have dropped Granada from their network. Granada's regular passenger flights are now solely domestic


I always felt easyJet was a stretch for Granada with Málaga so nearby. GRX is not the kind of airport they fly to in Spain. They fly to smaller airports but always focused on British holidaymakers looking for a beach, which is not the case here. GRX is all about city-breakers and Erasmus students.
 
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Sun May 02, 2021 9:13 am

guillermohs wrote:
Big announcement today coming from Iberia Group. Pending for approval, IB has applied for 2/w MAD-MLE during July and August.

In total, 112 routes to be served during summer, including those in the US that were cancelled due to the pandemic (except for SFO).

Only in Spanish: https://www.preferente.com/noticias-de- ... 08570.html

Looks like an ambitious schedule. It will all depend on the easing of travel restrictions. Let's hope for a promising period of growth!


It is unfortunate that SFO is dropped from the schedule this summer. But it makes sense. I hope that we keep IB here, and not just level, especially because SFO is now a Oneworld hub since Alaska has joined. Next summer, I hope to see Iberia back here in the Bay Area.
 
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Sun May 02, 2021 9:25 am

sfojvjets wrote:
guillermohs wrote:
Big announcement today coming from Iberia Group. Pending for approval, IB has applied for 2/w MAD-MLE during July and August.

In total, 112 routes to be served during summer, including those in the US that were cancelled due to the pandemic (except for SFO).

Only in Spanish: https://www.preferente.com/noticias-de- ... 08570.html

Looks like an ambitious schedule. It will all depend on the easing of travel restrictions. Let's hope for a promising period of growth!


It is unfortunate that SFO is dropped from the schedule this summer. But it makes sense. I hope that we keep IB here, and not just level, especially because SFO is now a Oneworld hub since Alaska has joined. Next summer, I hope to see Iberia back here in the Bay Area.

I wouldn’t loose my hopes of seeing IB fly to SFO this summer yet. The vaccination has really accelerated in Spain in recent weeks, and I wouldn’t be surprised if we saw a few announcements once a deal is reached between the EU and the US regarding free travel for those who are vaccinated.
 
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Sun May 02, 2021 11:04 am

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It is unfortunate that SFO is dropped from the schedule this summer. But it makes sense. I hope that we keep IB here, and not just level, especially because SFO is now a Oneworld hub since Alaska has joined. Next summer, I hope to see Iberia back here in the Bay Area.


I am not surprised. San Francisco was only started in 2018. California-Spain is a relatively small market and whoever has the need/urge/wish to fly between SFO and Spain can connect in the East Coast.

Also California had became quite popular over the last few years with Spanish tourists. I don't see many (if any) Spanish tourists travelling to the US this summer. There is probably not a worst place (cost-wise) to end up in a hospital (if you get COVID) or if the US closes border for whatever reason (e.g. a new COVID outbreak in Spain/Europe so you are stuck in the US).
 
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Re: Spanish Aviation Thread - 2021

Sun May 02, 2021 12:42 pm

I doubt SFO was performing well for IB - since launch 2018, they flew it seasonal and only 3x a week.

Even if the border restrictions are lifted, I doubt IB will touch SFO in the near future. They´d rather prioritise JFK and MIA, destinations where I could see them increasing frequencies IF restrictions are lifted. The presence of Alaska in OW only helps from the "potential new SFO customers", coz in terms of connections, 99% will still go via the AA, BA, IB, AY joint venture.

Remember that IB´s long haul fleet is very thin atm - removing 15x 340-600 is A LOT -- pretty much 30% of IB long haul planes.
 
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Sun May 02, 2021 3:01 pm

aviator2000 wrote:
sfojvjets wrote:
guillermohs wrote:
Big announcement today coming from Iberia Group. Pending for approval, IB has applied for 2/w MAD-MLE during July and August.

In total, 112 routes to be served during summer, including those in the US that were cancelled due to the pandemic (except for SFO).

Only in Spanish: https://www.preferente.com/noticias-de- ... 08570.html

Looks like an ambitious schedule. It will all depend on the easing of travel restrictions. Let's hope for a promising period of growth!


It is unfortunate that SFO is dropped from the schedule this summer. But it makes sense. I hope that we keep IB here, and not just level, especially because SFO is now a Oneworld hub since Alaska has joined. Next summer, I hope to see Iberia back here in the Bay Area.

I wouldn’t loose my hopes of seeing IB fly to SFO this summer yet. The vaccination has really accelerated in Spain in recent weeks, and I wouldn’t be surprised if we saw a few announcements once a deal is reached between the EU and the US regarding free travel for those who are vaccinated.


IB is still flying to SFO this summer. They are flying there via Level.
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Sun May 02, 2021 4:18 pm

Indeed, I was referring to flights from Madrid and with Iberia metal.
 
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Sun May 02, 2021 8:51 pm

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I doubt SFO was performing well for IB - since launch 2018, they flew it seasonal and only 3x a week.

Even if the border restrictions are lifted, I doubt IB will touch SFO in the near future. They´d rather prioritise JFK and MIA, destinations where I could see them increasing frequencies IF restrictions are lifted. The presence of Alaska in OW only helps from the "potential new SFO customers", coz in terms of connections, 99% will still go via the AA, BA, IB, AY joint venture.

Remember that IB´s long haul fleet is very thin atm - removing 15x 340-600 is A LOT -- pretty much 30% of IB long haul planes.


Your points make sense. I would be happy (but surprised) to see them return anytime soon in their own branding, even next year (I'm excluding LEVEL from this as their operation is not much of an issue and they serve SFO year-round - they are also better-suited to serve the low-yielding Spain summer traffic). At the same time, I do not think SFO was a poor operation. In 2018, LF was low 80s/high 70s overall. In 2019, LF was mid 80s. IB simply had to right-size the operation... Of course, LF does not tell the entire story, as indeed, most passengers are low-yielding. And SFO is different from most of the other markets given that it is based almost entirely on O&D and has no feed from AA's JV (compared to BOS, JFK, ORD, MIA, LAX, etc). This will surely work against it in the future, but I do think that IB will eventually be back. Give it 3-5 years. This is a similar situation to AY at SFO, and some of the other OW carriers.
 
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Mon May 03, 2021 10:53 am

sfojvjets wrote:
Your points make sense. I would be happy (but surprised) to see them return anytime soon in their own branding, even next year (I'm excluding LEVEL from this as their operation is not much of an issue and they serve SFO year-round - they are also better-suited to serve the low-yielding Spain summer traffic). At the same time, I do not think SFO was a poor operation. In 2018, LF was low 80s/high 70s overall. In 2019, LF was mid 80s. IB simply had to right-size the operation... Of course, LF does not tell the entire story, as indeed, most passengers are low-yielding. And SFO is different from most of the other markets given that it is based almost entirely on O&D and has no feed from AA's JV (compared to BOS, JFK, ORD, MIA, LAX, etc). This will surely work against it in the future, but I do think that IB will eventually be back. Give it 3-5 years. This is a similar situation to AY at SFO, and some of the other OW carriers.


Ib's SFO operation wasn't a disaster obviously - but it wasn't a bright spot in their network; otherwise they would have increased operations in 2019 and/or 2020 (in this case, planned).

I do think they will return, maybe 2024 or 2025 (I hope so!). I doubt it's going to be sooner. Of course - it also depends how the pandemic develops.
 
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Re: Spanish Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon May 03, 2021 5:12 pm

A big cut in their Spanish bases / operations announced today . Not a real surprise given the state of the company.

Norwegian has informed unions this Monday about its intention to lay off 1.191 workers in Spain, 85 % of its total staff. This would also involve the cessation of long haul operations from Barcelona and a significant cut in short-range routes.

https://noticias.rtvc.es/la-compania-no ... en-espana/
 
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Re: Spanish Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon May 03, 2021 9:06 pm

Hola! Needin' your help...

Thai AirAsia X HS-XTD, is re-registered to EC-NOF, but who is the operator behind?! According to airfleets WAMOS AIR; to skyliner-aviation W2F... anyone with more insight?!
 
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Re: Spanish Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue May 04, 2021 3:55 pm

Air Nostrum made an announcement today in Santander and will be adding two new routes next summer:

- Santiago de Compostela
- Alicante

https://twitter.com/novedadesaereas/sta ... 3012765698
 
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Re: Spanish Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue May 04, 2021 3:57 pm

OA260 wrote:
A big cut in their Spanish bases / operations announced today . Not a real surprise given the state of the company.

Norwegian has informed unions this Monday about its intention to lay off 1.191 workers in Spain, 85 % of its total staff. This would also involve the cessation of long haul operations from Barcelona and a significant cut in short-range routes.

https://noticias.rtvc.es/la-compania-no ... en-espana/

Wonder what LEVEL's response will be... At the moment they seem devoted to BCN and have announced a new route to Cancun this upcoming summer.
 
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Re: Spanish Aviation Thread - 2021

Wed May 05, 2021 11:41 am

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Does anyone know anything about Canarian Airways? They where supposed to start selling tickets in March but I can't find any more info on them.


Hi, Canarian Airways seems to be no longer around - ahead of launch the new name changed to "LATTITUDE HUB - THE CANARIAN AIRLINE"... :loco:

https://lattitudehub.com/
https://www.tourinews.es/noticias/canar ... 0_102.html
 
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Re: Spanish Aviation Thread - 2021

Wed May 05, 2021 8:08 pm

Iberojet starting 2x weekly MAD-SJO this summer:

https://www.aviacionline.com/2021/05/ev ... el-verano/

In addition to them starting MAD-CZM on June 1st.
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Re: Spanish Aviation Thread - 2021

Wed May 05, 2021 8:35 pm

debonair wrote:
aviator2000 wrote:
Does anyone know anything about Canarian Airways? They where supposed to start selling tickets in March but I can't find any more info on them.


Hi, Canarian Airways seems to be no longer around - ahead of launch the new name changed to "LATTITUDE HUB - THE CANARIAN AIRLINE"... :loco:

https://lattitudehub.com/
https://www.tourinews.es/noticias/canar ... 0_102.html

Wow thats.. I haven't got words to describe how dumb that sounds

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