debonair wrote:

aviator2000 wrote:

Does anyone know anything about Canarian Airways? They where supposed to start selling tickets in March but I can't find any more info on them.

Hi, Canarian Airways seems to be no longer around - ahead of launch the new name changed to "LATTITUDE HUB - THE CANARIAN AIRLINE"... :loco:

https://lattitudehub.com/

Not very professional to have the English section full of Lorem Ipsum placeholders neither...

Air Nostrum adds flights from Leon to Paris and Malaga this summer:

https://twitter.com/novedadesaereas/sta ... 6918647811

debonair wrote:

Hi, Canarian Airways seems to be no longer around - ahead of launch the new name changed to "LATTITUDE HUB - THE CANARIAN AIRLINE"... :loco:

https://lattitudehub.com/
https://www.tourinews.es/noticias/canar ... 0_102.html

Seems yet another trading name change, Lattitude Hub - WHERE CANARIAS BEGINS... Hopefully this is the final version, I am already confused.

First uep in "full" colours:

British Airways City Flyer seem to have cancelled their summer seasonal London City - San Sebastian for 2021. Maybe they will return in 2022

Will we see W2M flying for IBERIA?!

https://www.hosteltur.com/144278_la-aer ... beria.html

debonair wrote:

Will we see W2M flying for IBERIA?!

https://www.hosteltur.com/144278_la-aer ... beria.html

They keep repeating both IB and UX (upon acquisition completed) will be a bigger group than before corona, but I have difficulties imagining where do they plan to operate all those planes to. IB is preparing the process via liberating slots to competitors which in the case of W2Fly I am not sure if it's of any interest for them to offer just flights on scheduled routes. If IB is unable to fly those routes where they "traditionally" have been strong such as South American markets.... do we really believe they can fly Asia and make good business out of it?

They seem very keen on that strategy of connecting Asia to South America, but honestly, I don't see EK, QR or even TK leaving South America after covid, and there will be no way to compete agains them.

IB announces extra capacity (from 2x/w to 3x/w) to MLE due to good response in demand for their seasonal service to Maldives.

https://twitter.com/novedadesaereas/sta ... 90884?s=20

They also confirmed plans for increasing Panama up to 6x/w (was daily before corona), and 11x/w to SDQ (more seats available than ever before)

a350lover wrote:

debonair wrote:

Will we see W2M flying for IBERIA?!

https://www.hosteltur.com/144278_la-aer ... beria.html

They keep repeating both IB and UX (upon acquisition completed) will be a bigger group than before corona, but I have difficulties imagining where do they plan to operate all those planes to. IB is preparing the process via liberating slots to competitors which in the case of W2Fly I am not sure if it's of any interest for them to offer just flights on scheduled routes. If IB is unable to fly those routes where they "traditionally" have been strong such as South American markets.... do we really believe they can fly Asia and make good business out of it?

They seem very keen on that strategy of connecting Asia to South America, but honestly, I don't see EK, QR or even TK leaving South America after covid, and there will be no way to compete agains them.

EK, TK, QR and ET all serve the main LATAM markets. IB on the other hand serves many markets that would require 2-3 stops + getting visa’s possibly. This is a big plus and market that they can be the leader in which no one has done up until now. The question is which markets have the most demand from Latam to Asia.

lesfalls wrote:

The question is which markets have the most demand from Latam to Asia.

Correct. I don't see much demand flying Asia to.... anywhere in Latin America where EK/QR/TK do/did not fly (GRU, EZE, GIG, SCL, PTY, CCS, BOG were all served pre-covid...). Turkish is relatively very present in the region, and to be honest, IB product to Asia isn't too great to be a good competitor. Plus they lack of a good geo position in order to offer efficient connections EU-Asia. Pretty much anywhere in Europe (except Portugal) needs a detour to head to Asia if you fly through MAD.

We'll see...

Don't forget AF + KLM - they have a massive Asian network and a very good Latam one too (IB has only a good Latam network, but their Asian one is pretty much zero). AF+KLM probably hold the Gold medal in the Latam-Asia connections.

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Unless IB changes dramatically, I do not see them competing on the Latam+Asia market. They can't even compete with KLM, AF or LH (check our how many frequencies IB flies between MAD and AMS, CDG, FRA) vs KLM, AF or LH - if they can't compete on those short haul markets, then I do not see them competing especially with AF and KLM on the LATAM-Asia market.

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I do wonder as well where is IB+UX going to send the planes - a few days ago IB CEO said they would aim for 160-170 planes. LOL.

MAD is great for LATAM and core US markets - but aside from that, not great. They have tried a few times with Africa and failed badly (I doubt they are going to try again); and for Asia, with only Shanghai and Tokyo, no new markets ever since (Shanghai launched S16 and Tokyo W16) - it's not a good reflection of "we want to grow in Asia" - Iberia Peninsula to Asia great, but everything else is an important backtracking.

Qatar will fly 2x/w Doha-Malaga starting 2nd July on A359.
The route was flown last summer season in 2019, on B777.

https://twitter.com/novedadesaereas/sta ... 73122?s=20

There has been news in the press of Andorra Airlines starting routes from La Seu d'Urgell to Madrid and Palma
https://www.lugaresdenieve.com/noticia/ ... 0-de-junio

In March 2018, I flew LEU-MAD with another airline - fantastic experience as an avgeek, being one of just 3 pax in a Citation (a normal 19-seater chartered with TwinJet was cancelled because it had too many seats and cost too much). This makes me wonder if there is really much demand at La Seu airport

Does anyone have some info on whether this will *really* happen ? How to book ? Etc..

davidjohnson6 wrote:

There has been news in the press of Andorra Airlines starting routes from La Seu d'Urgell to Madrid and Palma
https://www.lugaresdenieve.com/noticia/ ... 0-de-junio

In March 2018, I flew LEU-MAD with another airline - fantastic experience as an avgeek, being one of just 3 pax in a Citation (a normal 19-seater chartered with TwinJet was cancelled because it had too many seats and cost too much). This makes me wonder if there is really much demand at La Seu airport

Does anyone have some info on whether this will *really* happen ? How to book ? Etc..

Amazing to think that if this was to materialise, Catalonia would have 5 airports with scheduled flights. I wonder if a hypothetical LEU-PMI would have any impact on the ILD-PMI route which Air Nostrum operates year-round. Does anyone know if those new routes by Andorra Airlines will be subsidised in any way by the Andorran Govt? And if Air Nostrum's Lleida-Palma route is subsidised? Thanks in advanced!

davidjohnson6 wrote:

There has been news in the press of Andorra Airlines starting routes from La Seu d'Urgell to Madrid and Palma
https://www.lugaresdenieve.com/noticia/ ... 0-de-junio

In March 2018, I flew LEU-MAD with another airline - fantastic experience as an avgeek, being one of just 3 pax in a Citation (a normal 19-seater chartered with TwinJet was cancelled because it had too many seats and cost too much). This makes me wonder if there is really much demand at La Seu airport

Does anyone have some info on whether this will *really* happen ? How to book ? Etc..

I guess bookings will open on the website once the airline is ready, however I believe they should have already been opened if the hypothetical launch date is June the 10th...

https://www.andorraairlines.com/#vuela

davidjohnson6 wrote:

There has been news in the press of Andorra Airlines starting routes from La Seu d'Urgell to Madrid and Palma
https://www.lugaresdenieve.com/noticia/ ... 0-de-junio
In March 2018, I flew LEU-MAD with another airline - fantastic experience as an avgeek, being one of just 3 pax in a Citation (a normal 19-seater chartered with TwinJet was cancelled because it had too many seats and cost too much). This makes me wonder if there is really much demand at La Seu airport

Does anyone have some info on whether this will *really* happen ? How to book ? Etc..

Which airline did you fly with? AFAIK, not only Andorra Airlines will start operations, but another company CieloFly as well - unfortunately, I have no information about this new airline than this: https://aeronewsx.com/exclusive-start-u ... s-andorra/

In other news, courtesy of skyliner-aviation, Aura Airlines ferried A320 EC-NMY for wet lease to Caracas... Any more information available which airline will take up the Airbus?

debonair wrote:

davidjohnson6 wrote:

There has been news in the press of Andorra Airlines starting routes from La Seu d'Urgell to Madrid and Palma
https://www.lugaresdenieve.com/noticia/ ... 0-de-junio
In March 2018, I flew LEU-MAD with another airline - fantastic experience as an avgeek, being one of just 3 pax in a Citation (a normal 19-seater chartered with TwinJet was cancelled because it had too many seats and cost too much). This makes me wonder if there is really much demand at La Seu airport

Which airline did you fly with?

There wasn't really an *airline* - more an air taxi company. El Teu Soci Aeri www.tsa.ad, I think. Aircraft was S5-BBG which FR24 shows to be a regular (based ?) at LEU

Vueling adds SCQ-LGW and SCQ-BIO this summer, in addition to its new routes from SCQ to IBZ, MAH, LPA, SVQ and VLC which were announced earlier this year.

https://www.elespanol.com/quincemil/art ... ste-verano

Vueling conectará Santiago con Bilbao y Londres-Gatwick este verano

Etihad will be launching flights from Abu Dhabi to Malaga this summer. Flights will be operated 2x week with B789. Huge news for Malaga as Qatar Airways also announced its return to the Spanish city a few weeks ago. Malaga is slowly becoming the third intercontinental gateway in Spain after Madrid and Barcelona.

https://www.zawya.com/mena/en/press-rel ... 606122144/

SCQ83 wrote:

Vueling adds SCQ-LGW and SCQ-BIO this summer, in addition to its new routes from SCQ to IBZ, MAH, LPA, SVQ and VLC which were announced earlier this year.

https://www.elespanol.com/quincemil/art ... ste-verano

Vueling conectará Santiago con Bilbao y Londres-Gatwick este verano

No opinion, just the news? I was hoping to find your view on this move, since you are quite a (justified) fan of the rational use of SCQ to serve the whole region and not just one or the other corner

aviator2000 wrote:

Etihad will be launching flights from Abu Dhabi to Malaga this summer. Flights will be operated 2x week with B789. Huge news for Malaga as Qatar Airways also announced its return to the Spanish city a few weeks ago. Malaga is slowly becoming the third intercontinental gateway in Spain after Madrid and Barcelona.

https://www.zawya.com/mena/en/press-rel ... 606122144/

What is weird is that now Malaga has flights to Abu Dhabi (Etihad), Doha (Qatar), Bahrain (Gulf Air), Kuwait (Kuwait Airways), Jeddah and Riyadh (Saudia) but it doesn't have flights to the biggest GCC market: Dubai.

I doubt there is any other place in Europe with flights to so many GCC airports but no Dubai. On the other hand, a lot of that demand is local but the transfer market to Asia is not that big.

SCQ83 wrote:

aviator2000 wrote:

Etihad will be launching flights from Abu Dhabi to Malaga this summer. Flights will be operated 2x week with B789. Huge news for Malaga as Qatar Airways also announced its return to the Spanish city a few weeks ago. Malaga is slowly becoming the third intercontinental gateway in Spain after Madrid and Barcelona.

https://www.zawya.com/mena/en/press-rel ... 606122144/

What is weird is that now Malaga has flights to Abu Dhabi (Etihad), Doha (Qatar), Bahrain (Gulf Air), Kuwait (Kuwait Airways), Jeddah and Riyadh (Saudia) but it doesn't have flights to the biggest GCC market: Dubai.

I doubt there is any other place in Europe with flights to so many GCC airports but no Dubai. On the other hand, a lot of that demand is local but the transfer market to Asia is not that big.

And don't forget Turkish to IST+connections. Turkey is not the same, I know, but TK are probably serving the same market Emirates could serve.
Had Emirates been the first to come to AGP, they would have been able to offer lots of connections to their neighbouring countries and beyond. Now the market looks a bit crowded. Unbelievable that even EY beat them to AGP. EK should probably start looking at Valencia or Bilbao.

Iberia remains committed with PVG and NRT, and Sanchez Prieto, IB CEO, announces that the airline works in launching Seoul once demand recovers.

I am not sure why IB is so keen on connecting Asia to South America via MAD. They must have done the numbers and saw an opportunity but I am not sure IB's product is good enough to compete with the enormous competence which EU-Asia had pre-covid, which eventually will come back at some point and will make things very hard for IB to compete there.

https://cincodias.elpais.com/cincodias/ ... 69661.html

a350lover wrote:

Iberia remains committed with PVG and NRT, and Sanchez Prieto, IB CEO, announces that the airline works in launching Seoul once demand recovers.

I am not sure why IB is so keen on connecting Asia to South America via MAD. They must have done the numbers and saw an opportunity but I am not sure IB's product is good enough to compete with the enormous competence which EU-Asia had pre-covid, which eventually will come back at some point and will make things very hard for IB to compete there.

https://cincodias.elpais.com/cincodias/ ... 69661.html

I don't think the aim is to act as a connecting hub between Latin America and Asia, but to simply expand a market in which IB has a marginal presence.

Geographically speaking, Europe is not the most ideal point for connections between those regions, though some passengers might not find an inconvenience regarding that matter.

Once COVID-19 is finally over, with the announcement of new routes in Asia, the correct price, a decent quality service and a strong commercial strategy, IB might stand a good chance of competing in Asia. Though some of those requirements are not fully met by the airline at this point.

a350lover wrote:

Iberia remains committed with PVG and NRT, and Sanchez Prieto, IB CEO, announces that the airline works in launching Seoul once demand recovers.

I am not sure why IB is so keen on connecting Asia to South America via MAD. They must have done the numbers and saw an opportunity but I am not sure IB's product is good enough to compete with the enormous competence which EU-Asia had pre-covid, which eventually will come back at some point and will make things very hard for IB to compete there.

https://cincodias.elpais.com/cincodias/ ... 69661.html

Sadly, this is pretty much meaningless. This was "said" during the official South Korea Presidential visit to Spain.

"When the appropriate circumstances arise, they will launch the route", which in Spanish means I'll buy myself a Ferrari whenever the appropiate circumstance arise - which could be tomorrow (extremely unlikely) or in 10 years.

Taking into account that South Korea is a SkyTeam and StarAlliance dominated market - seeing how BA failed with that route (they've recently permanently cancelled the route - meaning they are not flying to Seoul in the near term), I really really doubt IB has "good" numbers for such a route.

UEP to announce first destinations in 4 days: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/uepfly_d ... 44226-qzFG

lesfalls wrote:

UEP to announce first destinations in 4 days: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/uepfly_d ... 44226-qzFG

...and launch date, July 15th 2021:
https://www.hosteltur.com/145155_uep-fl ... islas.html

Aura airlines receiving their first A330:

https://fly-news.es/aviacion-comercial/ ... rbus-a330/

Binter inaugural of LPA-MRS today operated by E195 Reg EC - NPU. Flight took 3 hrs 11 mins.

OA260 wrote:

Binter inaugural of LPA-MRS today operated by E195 Reg EC - NPU. Flight took 3 hrs 11 mins.

2x weekly?

PSO bids sought for routes between Melilla and Almeria/Granada/Seville effective 01-Jan-2022
I imagine Air Nostrum will win the contract again, but there is the possibility that another airline submits a low-priced bid
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content ... 5411040299

Latitude just opened the sale, Spanish domestic only... MAD-TFS will start from84€. GOOD LUCK!

https://lattitudehub.com/

Lattitudehub is how they named the airline!!!??? It's..so silly(like Ross would say)..I thought they were going with canarian airways or sth like that

https://twitter.com/novedadesaereas/sta ... 2763708419

Lattitude stops flying until the fall season only after a week of "operations" from their hub at TFS. Not really surprising.

World2fly just received permission to fly to U.S from the DOT:

https://www.aviationclubcenter.com/worl ... os-unidos/

18,000 Furloughs this fall between Iberia, Air Europa and Vueling. I feel so bad for these professionals. I was able to fly to Spain this summer and the staff was very attentive. I do have to admit that it was a pleasure traveling through empty terminals but at the same time cant help but to feel bad for my country

https://www.expansion.com/empresas/tran ... b4642.html

Iberostar opens Madrid-La Habana

https://www.expansion.com/empresas/tran ... b45eb.html

Does anyone have an update on IB new uniforms? They were supposed to start being rolled out right before the pandemic hit. I was never crazy about the designs that I saw but maybe I would once I would see them in person. I just love their current uniforms (ok, the male-option uniforms could use updating)

United to add Palma de Mallorca and Tenerife South. Any clues if these will be seasonal?

[twoid][/twoid]

himarhernandez wrote:

United to add Palma de Mallorca and Tenerife South. Any clues if these will be seasonal?

I’d be absolutely shocked if they were year round!

himarhernandez wrote:

United to add Palma de Mallorca and Tenerife South. Any clues if these will be seasonal?

These are indeed seasonal. Great for the Canary Islands especially if you can get a connecting through ticket with Binter .

Air Nostrum will be launching two weekly Madrid - La Seu (near Andorra) flights from December, ATR operating. Catalonia will now have 5 airports with regular commercial services: Barcelona, Reus, Girona, Lleida and La Seu.

Lattitude Hub (aka Canarias Airways) were due to fly between Tenerife and mainland Spain as well as potentially other places in Europe. Flights began on 25 July 2021, and were suspended after just one day - presumably because of disappointing ticket sales - see more at https://simpleflying.com/lattitude-suspends-flights/
It seems they have decided to restart on 29-October with flights between Tenerife-South and Madrid + Bilbao - or at least they have tickets on sale for this.
AENA's website shows the flights which is a good sign - but it's easy to cancel at the last minute. Given the company suspended after just 1 day in July, I don't think EU261 is a big factor in the way the company makes decisions

Anyone know if these flights are really going to happen ?

Some positive news for the Canaries .

Canary Islands confirm the recovery of the British market at the WTM with 12.5% more flights

https://www3.gobiernodecanarias.org/not ... -de-vuels/

marcogr12 wrote:

Lattitudehub is how they named the airline!!!??? It's..so silly(like Ross would say)..I thought they were going with canarian airways or sth like that

I am in favor of renaming the airline into flycana. It's such a great airline name and sounds wonderful. It should not be allowed to disappear.

Newly created Norwegian airline Flyr will connect Gran Canaria with the city of Oslo during the winter season.

https://rtvc.es/la-aerolinea-noruega-fl ... n-noruega/

Different media reporting that tt looks like Iberia is considering strongly paying the 40m Euros and walking away from the purchase. Not sure if they are serious or if they are playing hardball. Links only in Spanish sorry.

https://www.lavanguardia.com/economia/2 ... uropa.html

https://www.economiadigital.es/empresas ... meros.html

himarhernandez wrote:

Different media reporting that tt looks like Iberia is considering strongly paying the 40m Euros and walking away from the purchase.

Wouldn't it be easier and just to wait? I mean, there are clearly signs, that the EC watchdog will never approve a merger under current market conditions. So wouldn't it be much cheaper for IAG to call the merger off by officially "blaming" the competition authorities?!

debonair wrote:

himarhernandez wrote:

Different media reporting that tt looks like Iberia is considering strongly paying the 40m Euros and walking away from the purchase.

Wouldn't it be easier and just to wait? I mean, there are clearly signs, that the EC watchdog will never approve a merger under current market conditions. So wouldn't it be much cheaper for IAG to call the merger off by officially "blaming" the competition authorities?!

Wouldn’t want to get on Brussels bad side. A lot of lobbying probably happening behind closed doors which IAG I’m sure is trying to combat.

himarhernandez wrote:

Different media reporting that tt looks like Iberia is considering strongly paying the 40m Euros and walking away from the purchase. Not sure if they are serious or if they are playing hardball. Links only in Spanish sorry.

https://www.lavanguardia.com/economia/2 ... uropa.html

https://www.economiadigital.es/empresas ... meros.html

There’s some misreporting about this, €40M isnt’t a walk away clause fee but the fee if the deal doesnt happen due competition authorities not giving the go ahrad. If there’s a walk Away clause we don’t really know the amount that IAG would have to pay but personally I think that if it was as low as €40M then they would have walked away from this deal long time ago.

CAN THE CANARY ISLANDS BE THE NEW HAWAII FOR AMERICANS?

www.canarianweekly.com/posts/canary-islands-new-hawaii

Some very optimistic words from Ángel Bernabé I hope it works out and that these new flights last more than one season.