Spanish Aviation Thread - 2021

aviator2000 · Mon Mar 01, 2021 5:27 pm

Transavia suspends SCQ-ORY route next summer, citing the pandemic restrictions as the cancellation's motive.
https://t.co/t3CNI8a2bw?amp=1

himarhernandez · Wed Mar 03, 2021 3:27 pm

A bit of an update on the IB-UX purchase. It looks like the negotiations are with the Spanish government on how to deal with the 400m euro injection from November. IAG wants management freedom over UX.

https://www.flightglobal.com/strategy/g ... 39.article

himarhernandez · Wed Mar 03, 2021 3:32 pm

Also, I can see how IB was able to negotiate the price down quite a bit. I was not aware that UX does not own any of their airplanes (which also made it attractive as IB has never been interested in adding different plane types)

"Cirium fleets data shows that the Spanish airline has a fleet of 42 aircraft, all of them leased. They comprise 18 Boeing 787s, 20 737NGs and four Airbus A330s."
https://www.flightglobal.com/fleets/air ... 63.article

guillermohs · Wed Mar 03, 2021 6:42 pm

I don't see Iberia with a mixed fleet of Airbus and Boeing once the adquisition is finalized. The B737 will likely be returned to lessors and the B787 might be of use for British Airways or the airline operating low-cost long haul from BCN (LEVEL or whichever name they come up with).

himarhernandez · Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:23 pm

Are the UX A330s compatible with IBs? (engines etc)

a350lover · Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:27 pm

guillermohs wrote:
I don't see Iberia with a mixed fleet of Airbus and Boeing once the adquisition is finalized. The B737 will likely be returned to lessors and the B787 might be of use for British Airways or the airline operating low-cost long haul from BCN (LEVEL or whichever name they come up with).

I don’t see Iberia flying Boeing, but what makes you think UX brand will vanish out of the market? I believe it’ll remain as a separate airlines, at least for a couple of years...

debonair · Thu Mar 04, 2021 12:10 am

himarhernandez wrote:
Are the UX A330s compatible with IBs? (engines etc)

The A330 fleet was supposed to be retired anyway with the arrival of B787. And the answer is clearly NO! Some even had no PTV in Economy, not to mention the poor BusinessClass product...

guillermohs · Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:27 pm

a350lover wrote:
guillermohs wrote:
I don't see Iberia with a mixed fleet of Airbus and Boeing once the adquisition is finalized. The B737 will likely be returned to lessors and the B787 might be of use for British Airways or the airline operating low-cost long haul from BCN (LEVEL or whichever name they come up with).

I don’t see Iberia flying Boeing, but what makes you think UX brand will vanish out of the market? I believe it’ll remain as a separate airlines, at least for a couple of years...

I believe Air Europa brand adds little value to IAG's portfolio, at least in MAD. The duplicity of routes between both airlines will be resolved in a way IB operates those routes on its own, while destinations only served by UX are not as many to justify maintaining the brand. IAG needs brand consolidation, which is as necessary as fleet consolidation.

UX could work as a low-cost long haul brand from BCN, however, this might be counterproductive taking into account UX already has a brand recognition in Latin America not associated with low-cost travelling.

tobsw · Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:52 pm

himarhernandez wrote:
A bit of an update on the IB-UX purchase. It looks like the negotiations are with the Spanish government on how to deal with the 400m euro injection from November. IAG wants management freedom over UX.

https://www.flightglobal.com/strategy/g ... 39.article

Indeed. IB (IAG) wants total freedom in chosing the executive management for Air Europa.

The current condition is that it's agreed between SEPE & Air Europa owner. IB wants 100% freedom in that regard.

himarhernandez wrote:
Also, I can see how IB was able to negotiate the price down quite a bit. I was not aware that UX does not own any of their airplanes (which also made it attractive as IB has never been interested in adding different plane types)

"Cirium fleets data shows that the Spanish airline has a fleet of 42 aircraft, all of them leased. They comprise 18 Boeing 787s, 20 737NGs and four Airbus A330s."
https://www.flightglobal.com/fleets/air ... 63.article

At the end of the day, IB is "paying" now more for Air Europa than in Nov 2019.

Air Europa had no debt Nov 2019. Today, their debt is 700+ million euros... someone has to repay the debt. 500+700 millinons is more than the 1B agreement they had Nov 2019.

But that's not weird. If you look at how much airlines are valued now vs nov 2019, you'll see many airlines are now valued more than nov 2019. IAG is one of them, despite a brutal fall in revenue and owned assets.

tobsw · Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:02 pm

Initially (Nov 2019 agreement), there was a plan that the Air Europa brand and operation would remain status quo for at least 1 year after the acquisition.

I'm inclined to believe that that's still the case in the new agreement, so there won't be any changes until at least Q1 2023 (IB/IAG expect to finish the acquisition by the end of this year).

On a long run, Air Europa brand will disappear. I'm pretty sure about it. It doesn't make sense to have to brands operating the same routes with the same target customer (they'd cannibalise their yields). We agree that between Ib and Air Europa, IB es more "premium" (brand has a higher value) compared to UX, but the difference is minimal; compared to other airline groups were two airlines can coexist, e.g. Singapore Airlines and Scoop.

Despite the above, I believe that Air Europa, as an operator, will survive - seeing something like IB flights operated by Air Europa. All branding and signage will be IB.

I definitely see Air Europa 787's flying for IB. After all, pilots and crew is "trained already". 737 max and so on, god knows what IAG has planned.

himarhernandez · Thu Mar 04, 2021 3:42 pm

One of my hopes with the merger is that IB will consistently offer widebody service to the Canaries like UX does/did.

BABDBY · Fri Mar 05, 2021 1:51 pm

himarhernandez wrote:
One of my hopes with the merger is that IB will consistently offer widebody service to the Canaries like UX does/did.

That would be great. I think Iberia did start MAD-LPA once daily on their A340-600 summer ‘19, but that’s not lasted. The Iberia Express flights are always rammed full. Good to see they’re putting A321s on the routes to the Canaries now though quite regularly.

Embajador3 · Sun Mar 07, 2021 9:54 am

https://www.airliners.net/photo/Volotea ... /6344685/L

Volotea's newest fleet addition is an A320! Any thoughts of where they will base this larger plane?

a350lover · Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:21 am

Embajador3 wrote:
https://www.airliners.net/photo/Volotea-Alaska-Airlines/Airbus-A320-214/6344685/L

Volotea's newest fleet addition is an A320! Any thoughts of where they will base this larger plane?

Apparently V7 had ordered both the A320 and A321 getting ready for the launch of new domestic routes in Spain for simulating competence against IB & UX if the deal between these two goes ahead. V7 may serve busy corridors like MAD-PMI or MAD-TFN/LPA in which both IB and UX are competitors. They needed for that bigger planes than the A319.

aviator2000 · Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:36 am

Does anyone one where I can find Volotea's route network in Spain?

EY80 · Sun Mar 07, 2021 1:14 pm

Embajador3 wrote:
https://www.airliners.net/photo/Volotea-Alaska-Airlines/Airbus-A320-214/6344685/L

Volotea's newest fleet addition is an A320! Any thoughts of where they will base this larger plane?

The first 3 A320s will be based in Venice, Italy (VCE).

himarhernandez · Tue Mar 09, 2021 9:56 pm

Iberia launches new airfare for economy passengers seeking more comfort and flexibility (Iberia Confort). It says new XL seats. Does anyone have any details on these "new" seats?

https://grupo.iberia.es/news/09032021/l ... t?ref=Home (Spanish)
https://centreforaviation.com/news/iber ... ty-1056292 (English)

debonair · Wed Mar 10, 2021 12:16 am

After UX, Plus Ultra will receive a lifeline:
https://www.europapress.es/turismo/tran ... 52632.html

tobsw · Wed Mar 10, 2021 12:27 pm

himarhernandez wrote:
Iberia launches new airfare for economy passengers seeking more comfort and flexibility (Iberia Confort). It says new XL seats. Does anyone have any details on these "new" seats?

https://grupo.iberia.es/news/09032021/l ... t?ref=Home (Spanish)
https://centreforaviation.com/news/iber ... ty-1056292 (English)

Front seats are in the front bit of the plane. XL are emergency seat and first rows on wide body planes.

XL seats are included on Confort fares but only on short and middle haul flights.

Front are included in Confort LH routes.

aviator2000 · Thu Mar 11, 2021 8:09 pm

debonair wrote:
After UX, Plus Ultra will receive a lifeline:
https://www.europapress.es/turismo/tran ... 52632.html

When did PlusUltra become a "strategic airline" for Spain???

msgpilot · Thu Mar 11, 2021 8:58 pm

Hi All,

I came across a South African 737/300 freighter on FR24 last night, descending into MAD. It’s not pinging any information at all but putting the tracks together it seems to be operating LPA-TFN-MAD and has been since the start of January.
Has anyone got any more info on it? Swiftair and Cygnus are both operating their own contracts so it seems to be in addition to those

debonair · Thu Mar 11, 2021 10:59 pm

PlusUltra is the only national force left, as all the other longhaul scheduled airlines like Iberia, AirEuropa and Level belonging to IAG. The demise of norwegian doesn't help either.

Btw. some more infos about startup UEP AIRWAYS are available, will start with 3 ATR from swiftair:

https://www.hosteltur.com/142841_uep-ai ... ucion.html

msgpilot · Fri Mar 12, 2021 2:18 pm

msgpilot wrote:
Hi All,

I came across a South African 737/300 freighter on FR24 last night, descending into MAD. It’s not pinging any information at all but putting the tracks together it seems to be operating LPA-TFN-MAD and has been since the start of January.
Has anyone got any more info on it? Swiftair and Cygnus are both operating their own contracts so it seems to be in addition to those

Found some further info from the ATC at Las Palmas, it’s operating under the ICAO code PSU and seems to be going under the name Premium...still none the wiser and that code is not registered with Eurocontrol

debonair · Fri Mar 12, 2021 6:46 pm

msgpilot wrote:
msgpilot wrote:
Hi All,

I came across a South African 737/300 freighter on FR24 last night, descending into MAD. It’s not pinging any information at all but putting the tracks together it seems to be operating LPA-TFN-MAD and has been since the start of January.
Has anyone got any more info on it? Swiftair and Cygnus are both operating their own contracts so it seems to be in addition to those

Found some further info from the ATC at Las Palmas, it’s operating under the ICAO code PSU and seems to be going under the name Premium...still none the wiser and that code is not registered with Eurocontrol

More Infos, like registration or direct link?

aviator2000 · Fri Mar 12, 2021 7:49 pm

debonair wrote:
PlusUltra is the only national force left, as all the other longhaul scheduled airlines like Iberia, AirEuropa and Level belonging to IAG. The demise of norwegian doesn't help either.

Btw. some more infos about startup UEP AIRWAYS are available, will start with 3 ATR from swiftair:

https://www.hosteltur.com/142841_uep-ai ... ucion.html

National Force? I wouldn't be so sure. How many passengers did the airline carry in 2019? You should take a look at this:
https://www.abc.es/economia/abci-escand ... 0pasajeros.

msgpilot · Fri Mar 12, 2021 9:45 pm

debonair wrote:
msgpilot wrote:
msgpilot wrote:
Hi All,

I came across a South African 737/300 freighter on FR24 last night, descending into MAD. It’s not pinging any information at all but putting the tracks together it seems to be operating LPA-TFN-MAD and has been since the start of January.
Has anyone got any more info on it? Swiftair and Cygnus are both operating their own contracts so it seems to be in addition to those

Found some further info from the ATC at Las Palmas, it’s operating under the ICAO code PSU and seems to be going under the name Premium...still none the wiser and that code is not registered with Eurocontrol

More Infos, like registration or direct link?

Wondering who it’s operating for? One of the integrators like DHL/UPS?

ZS-SBA
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/zs-sba

aviator2000 · Mon Mar 15, 2021 6:44 pm

Ryanair has in recent days announced a batch of new routes from several Spanish airports:

+ PMI - PSA/ ZAZ/ TFN/ SDR
+ BCN - AHO/ BFS/ MST/ EIN/ ODS
+ ALC - IBZ/ MAH/ ACE/ BRE
+ AGP - MAH/ RBA
+ MAH - SVQ (+ALC)
+ FUE - VLC

OA260 · Mon Mar 15, 2021 6:51 pm

aviator2000 wrote:
Ryanair has in recent days announced a batch of new routes from several Spanish airports:

+ PMI - PSA/ ZAZ/ TFN/ SDR
+ BCN - AHO/ BFS/ MST/ EIN/ ODS
+ ALC - IBZ/ MAH/ ACE/ BRE
+ AGP - MAH/ RBA
+ MAH - SVQ (+ALC)
+ FUE - VLC

The BCN flight is operating into BHD not BFS .

aviator2000 · Mon Mar 15, 2021 6:53 pm

OA260 wrote:
aviator2000 wrote:
Ryanair has in recent days announced a batch of new routes from several Spanish airports:

+ PMI - PSA/ ZAZ/ TFN/ SDR
+ BCN - AHO/ BFS/ MST/ EIN/ ODS
+ ALC - IBZ/ MAH/ ACE/ BRE
+ AGP - MAH/ RBA
+ MAH - SVQ (+ALC)
+ FUE - VLC

The BCN flight is operating into BHD not BFS .

That's correct. My bad

lesfalls · Tue Mar 16, 2021 12:36 am

debonair wrote:
After UX, Plus Ultra will receive a lifeline:
https://www.europapress.es/turismo/tran ... 52632.html

Another source to add on to the following:

https://aeronewsx.com/plus-ultra-to-rec ... overnment/

53 million is quite a lot considering the scale of the airline relative to Air Europa for example. Rumor is (and according to the article), the airline has some connection to the Venezuelan government.

aviator2000 · Tue Mar 16, 2021 5:48 pm

Transavia has now announced 4 new routes between France and Mediterranean Spain: Lyon - Menorca / Alicante / Ibiza as well as Nantes - Menorca. I've got a feeling airlines are being a bit too optimistc adding all of this new capacity on routes to the Mediterranean, especially now that the vaccination process will be slowed down with the AstraZeneca issues.

aviator2000 · Tue Mar 16, 2021 5:49 pm

lesfalls wrote:
debonair wrote:
After UX, Plus Ultra will receive a lifeline:
https://www.europapress.es/turismo/tran ... 52632.html

Another source to add on to the following:

https://aeronewsx.com/plus-ultra-to-rec ... overnment/

53 million is quite a lot considering the scale of the airline relative to Air Europa for example. Rumor is (and according to the article), the airline has some connection to the Venezuelan government.

Tbh I fail to see the strategic relevance that Plus Ultra has in Spain.

davidjohnson6 · Tue Mar 16, 2021 11:19 pm

La Gomera - TFN / LPA route is out for PSO tender
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content ... 1XC0305(02)
Note - something seems to be removing the last bracket (i.e. a ) symbol) from the URL on a.net. If you see a URL that ends with "(02" (bad) instead of "(02)" (good) then just add a closing bracket at the end

The current PSO held by Binter expires on 31-Jul-2021 - details at https://ec.europa.eu/transport/sites/tr ... _table.pdf
Apart from Binter retaining the contract, the most likely other serious bidder I can think of is Canaryfly. Of course, there's always the possibility of something unexpected like DAT deciding to have a go...

lesfalls · Tue Mar 16, 2021 11:21 pm

[twoid][/twoid]

davidjohnson6 wrote:
La Gomera - TFN / LPA route is out for PSO tender
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content ... 1XC0305(02)

The current PSO held by Binter expires on 31-Jul-2021
Apart from Binter retaining the contract, the only other serious bidder I can think of is Canaryfly

Says the document is not available.

OA260 · Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:12 am

lesfalls wrote:
[twoid][/twoid]
davidjohnson6 wrote:
La Gomera - TFN / LPA route is out for PSO tender
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content ... 1XC0305(02)

The current PSO held by Binter expires on 31-Jul-2021
Apart from Binter retaining the contract, the only other serious bidder I can think of is Canaryfly

Says the document is not available.

aviator2000 · Fri Mar 19, 2021 8:32 am

Ryanair will now be taking Plus Ultra's state aid to the European court.

https://www.elmundo.es/economia/2021/03 ... b4656.html

guillermohs · Fri Mar 19, 2021 11:00 am

Ryanair, the same airline that evades millions every year in taxes for having their aircraft registered in Ireland and Malta.

ThomasCook · Sat Mar 20, 2021 9:35 am

Does anybody have info on the proposed QR restart of DOH-AGP for S21? I read on here somewhere for May or June but maybe it's now been pulled? Any other gulf carriers restarting AGP also?

Thanks

lesfalls · Sat Mar 20, 2021 9:50 pm

guillermohs wrote:
Ryanair, the same airline that evades millions every year in taxes for having their aircraft registered in Ireland and Malta.

FR isn’t the only airline to have their aircraft registered in common EU countries so how is it wrong (legally, not the principle of it)?

aviator2000 · Sat Mar 20, 2021 10:27 pm

American Airlines is resuming next week Dallas - Madrid and Miami - Barcelona.

debonair · Sun Mar 21, 2021 1:51 am

According to easyjet webpage and booking engine, the airline will return to HAM from PMI, starting already in April - in less than 14 days...

jmmadrid · Sun Mar 21, 2021 9:52 am

Following the German goverment's relaxation of travel restrictions to Mallorca, some airlines have rushed to offer a number of flights between Palma and many destinations in Germany.

On March 27th, for example, there's an insane number of flights between both destinations:

FRA-PMI 11 flights
DUS -PMI 11 flights
MUC-PMI 8 flights
CGN-PMI 4 flights
STR-PMI 5 flights
HAM-PMI 5 flights
BER-PMI 7 flights
HAJ-PMI 3 flights
NUE-PMI 1 flight
LEJ-PMI 2 flights
DTM-PMI 3 flights
FMO-PMI 1 flight

That's at least 61 flights on just one day! Amazing!

The weather forecast for Easter in Mallorca is very promising, lots of sun, although the temperature of the mediterranean waters (15 degrees) is still for the bravest this time of the year.

May I remind all our german friends how much we have missed you and your business!

debonair · Sun Mar 21, 2021 2:02 pm

True - another "soldier of fortune" to fill the demands will be Vueling

https://www.ultimahora.es/noticias/loca ... santa.html

Aisak · Sun Mar 21, 2021 2:51 pm

davidjohnson6 wrote:
La Gomera - TFN / LPA route is out for PSO tender
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content ... 1XC0305(02)
Note - something seems to be removing the last bracket (i.e. a ) symbol) from the URL on a.net. If you see a URL that ends with "(02" (bad) instead of "(02)" (good) then just add a closing bracket at the end

The current PSO held by Binter expires on 31-Jul-2021 - details at https://ec.europa.eu/transport/sites/tr ... _table.pdf
Apart from Binter retaining the contract, the most likely other serious bidder I can think of is Canaryfly. Of course, there's always the possibility of something unexpected like DAT deciding to have a go...

So we have quite a few PSO routes now in Spain.
Sevilla-Almería
Menorca-Madrid (only winter)
Badajoz-Madrid (not sure if BCN is also included)
And now La Gomera with the two main islands...

tobsw · Sun Mar 21, 2021 4:13 pm

Aisak wrote:
So we have quite a few PSO routes now in Spain.
Sevilla-Almería
Menorca-Madrid (only winter)
Badajoz-Madrid (not sure if BCN is also included)
And now La Gomera with the two main islands...

Pretty much all connections between islands (both Baleareic and Canary Islands) are PSO routes, with frequencies, seats and fare regulation.

Specifically for the Canary Islands, all of these are PSO (obligacion de servicio publico):

Gran Canaria-Tenerife Norte
Gran Canaria-Tenerife Sur
Gran Canaria-Fuerteventura
Gran Canaria-El Hierro
Gran Canaria-Lanzarote
Gran Canaria-La Palma
Tenerife Norte-Fuerteventura
Tenerife Norte-El Hierro
Tenerife Norte-Lanzarote
Tenerife Norte-La Palma
La Palma-Lanzarote [I think this is only in Summer]
Gran Canaria-La Gomera
Tenerife Norte-La Gomera

I believe Binter Canarias has "won" pretty much all of them.

And for the Balearic Island, all possible connections are also PSO:

Mallorca-Menorca
Mallorca-Ibiza
Menorca-Ibiza

aviator2000 · Mon Mar 22, 2021 10:26 am

Icelandair resumes flights to Spain next summer:

Madrid - 3xweek
Tenerife S. - 2xweek
Barcelona - 1xweek

guillermohs · Mon Mar 22, 2021 10:49 am

tobsw wrote:
Aisak wrote:
So we have quite a few PSO routes now in Spain.
Sevilla-Almería
Menorca-Madrid (only winter)
Badajoz-Madrid (not sure if BCN is also included)
And now La Gomera with the two main islands...

Pretty much all connections between islands (both Baleareic and Canary Islands) are PSO routes, with frequencies, seats and fare regulation.

Specifically for the Canary Islands, all of these are PSO (obligacion de servicio publico):

Gran Canaria-Tenerife Norte
Gran Canaria-Tenerife Sur
Gran Canaria-Fuerteventura
Gran Canaria-El Hierro
Gran Canaria-Lanzarote
Gran Canaria-La Palma
Tenerife Norte-Fuerteventura
Tenerife Norte-El Hierro
Tenerife Norte-Lanzarote
Tenerife Norte-La Palma
La Palma-Lanzarote [I think this is only in Summer]
Gran Canaria-La Gomera
Tenerife Norte-La Gomera

I believe Binter Canarias has "won" pretty much all of them.

And for the Balearic Island, all possible connections are also PSO:

Mallorca-Menorca
Mallorca-Ibiza
Menorca-Ibiza

I think MLN-MAD and MLN-AGP are PSO as well.

aviator2000 · Wed Mar 24, 2021 9:02 pm

Does anyone know anything about Canarian Airways? They where supposed to start selling tickets in March but I can't find any more info on them.

OA260 · Wed Mar 24, 2021 9:17 pm

aviator2000 wrote:
Does anyone know anything about Canarian Airways? They where supposed to start selling tickets in March but I can't find any more info on them.

It seems now aiming for ticket sales end of April . Link only in Spanish .

https://www.eldia.es/tenerife/2021/03/2 ... 7.amp.html

lesfalls · Fri Mar 26, 2021 2:27 am

World2fly.es to start flights in June to the Caribbean both from MAD and LIS.

Currently they have an A330 and will be receiving an A350 currently in production at TLS:

https://www.aviacionline.com/2021/03/wo ... -en-junio/

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