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ehaase
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Re: Delta Fleet Thread - 2021

Sat Feb 13, 2021 2:59 am

Delta released its annual report today. Did any of the experts notice anything interesting about the fleet in the annual report?
 
PSU.DTW.SCE
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Re: Delta Fleet Thread - 2021

Sat Feb 13, 2021 3:09 am

As said, DL release its 10-K, and there is a much of fleet-related information.

Revised delivery schedule:
Aircraft Purchase Commitments 2021 2022 2023 After 2023 Total
A220-100 3 4 — — 7
A220-300 5 7 11 22 45
A321-200 22 — — — 22
A321-200neo — 18 20 62 100
A330-900neo 3 8 8 10 29
A350-900 — 2 — 18 20
CRJ-900 1 — — — 1
Total 34 39 39 112 224

Some key-takeaways
- 2021 deliveries will include 3 A221, 5 A223, 22 A321, 3 A339, 1 CR9
- Remainder of A321CEOs to be delivered in 2021
- A321NEO deliveries will not start until 2022
- Big defferal on A220s pushed to out years, only taking 8 A221/3's in 2021
- One incremental A339 added, to be leased in 2021
- New deliveries in 2021, 2022, 2023 effectively half of pre-COVID planned deliveries
 
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Re: Delta Fleet Thread - 2021

Sat Feb 13, 2021 3:27 am

Current fleet summary:

Type, # active, # temporary parked, # total, average age
B712 46 / 4 = 50 19.7
B738 72 / 5 = 77 19.3
B739 121 / 9 = 130 4.3
B752 82 / 18 = 100 23.4
B753 15 / 1 = 16 17.9
B763 27 / 7 = 34 23.4
B764 19 / 2 = 21 20.0
A221 30 / 8 = 38 1.4
A223 5 / 0 = 5 0.3
A319 44 / 13 = 57 18.9
A320 46 / 6 = 52 24.7
A321 99 / 6 = 105 2.5
A332 5 / 6 = 11 15.8
A333 26 / 5 = 31 12.0
A339 8 / 0 = 8 0.0
A359 15 / 0 = 15 2.5

Notes:
- Numbers in 10-K are from Dec 31, 2020 and there have been some additional activations / temporary parking since
- I think there is a slight difference in definition as to how for A&F purposes they define temporarily parked, versus some aircraft that are either in parked with near-term intent to reactive, and/or maintenance;
- B712 fleet is already been reduced from 91 total pre-COVID, to 65 at the end of Q3 2020, to now 50 at end of Q4 2020. Of those 50, 46 are in service and 4 temporarily parked; most of the recent 717 ferries have been from storage in ILN to SBD. This jives with what has been communicated to pilots that the 717 fleet is going to stay around 45 frames through 2022, with an 80/20% split of flying between ATL & DTW and full retirement by end of 2025
- B763ER fleet is now reduced to 34
- A320 fleet now accounts for the 10 retired in 2020, fleet now at 52 that was previously announced earlier in the year
- No reduction or retirements on the B752 fleet (as expected but always subject to speculation on a.net)
 
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Re: Delta Fleet Thread - 2021

Sat Feb 13, 2021 3:34 am

Regional fleet:

9E / Endeavor:
CR2 42
CR7 18
CR9 111
TOTAL 171

OO / Skywest:
CR2 12
CR7 6
CR9 39
E75 64
TOTAL 121

YX / Republic:
E70 18
E75 30
TOTAL 48

DCI Systemwide:
CR2 54
CR7 24
CR9 150
E70 18
E75 94
TOTAL 340

Notes:
- 35 aircraft temporarily parked; doesn't indicate type or carrier
- During 2020, Compass and GoJets ceased operations as DCI carriers
 
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Re: Delta Fleet Thread - 2021

Sat Feb 13, 2021 4:40 am

B757Forever wrote:
777Mech wrote:
777luver wrote:
Could anyone explain DLs tail numbers in respect to what aircraft they are? Way too many numbers just being randomly spit out here


I'll probably miss some, but here goes the active fleets.

Boeing:
717: 95XX
738: 37XX
739: 38-39XX
757: 6XX, 6XXX
763: 1XX, 16xx, 17XX
764: 18XX

Airbus
A221: 81XX
A223: 83XX
A319: 31XX
A320: 32XX
A321: 30XX, 1XXX
A332: 335X-336X
A333 3301-3331
A339: 34XX
A350: 35XX

The new A321 NEOs will carry a 5XXX fleet code.


Adding to the list... the 757 fleet also has the 56XX and the 58XX series. The 58XX is the 757-300.


I knew I was forgetting one..

I wonder if the mods can add this to the OP for reference to anyone who may not know.
 
Oliver2020
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Re: Delta Fleet Thread - 2021

Sat Feb 13, 2021 8:06 am

For comparison on which AC type and the number of AC that were deferred are available below if anyone's interested.

2019 annual report: page 24-26 Fleet information
https://d18rn0p25nwr6d.cloudfront.net/C ... 2d6695.pdf

2020annual report page 28-29 Fleet information
https://d18rn0p25nwr6d.cloudfront.net/C ... c951f3.pdf
 
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Re: Delta Fleet Thread - 2021

Sat Feb 13, 2021 8:46 am

deltal1011man wrote:
jbs2886 wrote:
SELMER40 wrote:
Is a big swap possible? UA is not flying their 764s, DL is. DL is not flying their 737-700s, UA is. DL and UA are both flying their A320s and 763s. DL takes all of the UA 764s and UA takes whatever can be agreed on from the DL 737-700s, 763s and/or A320s. No cash.


No. Airlines aren't going to swap HUNDREDS of aircraft they invested tens of millions in their own product...all for the sake of some "fleet simplification." Did you even look at engine types on the aircraft? Because if so, you would see the simplification you propose isn't all there as DL and UA have different engine types on 763s and A320s. Just because an aircraft is currently parked doesn't mean they don't intend to activate it, there are many considerations as to why aircraft are still parked (maintenance being a large one). The amount of cash that would have to be spent is tens of millions, if not more, to update each aircraft, paint it, maintenance, etc.

Can we please stop with the DL/UA fleet swap posts.

Thank you.

TTailedTiger wrote:
meh130 wrote:

This is a good point. Chances are the routes the 76Ts flew will be taken over by the A330-200 fleet, and the existing A332 routes take over by A330-900neos and A350-900s as they are added to the fleet.


I just don't see how the economics will work. The A332 is a much heavier aircraft with much more range. Not ideal at all for 763 replacement. The 767 at Delta is also in a premium heavy configuration.

You guys do know that the 76T was mostly operating SEA-Asia which was all (or planned to be) replaced by 339s........


timf wrote:
n515cr wrote:
1708 (in MCI since Feb 3) is the 1st 76Z Refresh bird. As reported previously, new config is C21W18Y+21Y151, and, in addition to PS, it includes new lavs, PED power at all seats, and LED lighting. Should exit in a few months.

So let me get this right. They are doing the 76Z mods after all despite plans to retire the fleet by 2025, and they are doing the mods in Kansas City instead of China? This just seems a little hard to believe, although I'm not doubting the accuracy of the report.

Vendors like ATS, Flightstar etc. are about as cheap as overseas vendors. They aren't quite sweatshops but they are pretty damn close. That is why most A&Ps leave as fast as humanly possible when they go to work there or fresh A&Ps take jobs like ASMs at Delta to build experience.

Of course they also employ mostly non-A&Ps and get the few A&Ps they have to sign off the work.

777Mech wrote:
Delta350 wrote:
I know this was sometime ago like 2 years. But has anyone heard or can confirm on Delta painting an A350 in a special livery for the 2028 Olympics in Los Angles?


Nothing concrete.

However I hear there is an A350 getting unveiled this week with a dedication to employees.

rumor I have heard is that it will be a "replacement" for 7101/102

Well the rumor came true. It's scheduled to fly out to ICN via DTW today.
Plane Spotter from the Magic City and Hartsfield-Jackson...(ATL)
 
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Re: Delta Fleet Thread - 2021

Sun Feb 14, 2021 5:49 pm

 
goboeing
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Re: Delta Fleet Thread - 2021

Sun Feb 14, 2021 11:16 pm

When a manufacturer writes up a new delayed delivery schedule with an airline, in all the legalese of it, are they able to put in a clause that would prevent the airline from purchasing airplanes from a competitor during the window of time where deliveries are being deferred?

In other words, Airbus agreeing to the revised delivery schedule with the stipulation that Delta does not go and purchase a bunch of 737MAXs for a bargain during the time between the original 321NEO delivery date, and the new first planned delivery date of the type (which is about a year or so in this example)?
 
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Re: Delta Fleet Thread - 2021

Mon Feb 15, 2021 3:52 am

 
777Mech
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Re: Delta Fleet Thread - 2021

Mon Feb 15, 2021 4:46 am

goboeing wrote:
When a manufacturer writes up a new delayed delivery schedule with an airline, in all the legalese of it, are they able to put in a clause that would prevent the airline from purchasing airplanes from a competitor during the window of time where deliveries are being deferred?

In other words, Airbus agreeing to the revised delivery schedule with the stipulation that Delta does not go and purchase a bunch of 737MAXs for a bargain during the time between the original 321NEO delivery date, and the new first planned delivery date of the type (which is about a year or so in this example)?


Anything can be written into a contract, but it is in Airbus's best interest to not go down that road, as you still have to maintain goodwill with one of your biggest customers. Don't cut off the nose to spite the face.

If I'm being honest, the deferrals weren't pushed as far back as I'd thought they'd be.
 
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Re: Delta Fleet Thread - 2021

Mon Feb 15, 2021 7:55 pm

A320 3219 N319US, the oldest of non-retired A320s is scheduled to ferry out of storage MCI-MSP on Wednesday.
The last of the A320s that were stored in MCI.
After this I think there are only 1-2 A320s that are still in storage that aren't in SAL for maintenance or in the process or being reactivated.
 
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Re: Delta Fleet Thread - 2021

Mon Feb 15, 2021 8:26 pm

meh130 wrote:
TTailedTiger wrote:
meh130 wrote:

This is a good point. Chances are the routes the 76Ts flew will be taken over by the A330-200 fleet, and the existing A332 routes take over by A330-900neos and A350-900s as they are added to the fleet.


I just don't see how the economics will work. The A332 is a much heavier aircraft with much more range. Not ideal at all for 763 replacement. The 767 at Delta is also in a premium heavy configuration.


Then those routes go away and are replaced with connecting flights. There is nothing else in DL's fleet capable of a 6,000nm no-wind range without going all the way up to a A330-900neo.

This is why the middle of the market needs a true 767-300ER replacement in the 210-230 international 2-class seat class and 5,500nm-6,000nm no-wind range class.


The last batch of A333s (242t, center fuel tank) should make 6000nm. But that's not a lot of planes.

However, at this time, DL does not need a bunch of 6000 nm planes . . :(
 
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Re: Delta Fleet Thread - 2021

Mon Feb 15, 2021 8:55 pm

PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
A320 3219 N319US, the oldest of non-retired A320s is scheduled to ferry out of storage MCI-MSP on Wednesday.


3209 is out there flying around.
 
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Re: Delta Fleet Thread - 2021

Mon Feb 15, 2021 9:07 pm

The oldest one still in storage I meant.

3217, 3222-3230 were retired in 2020.
 
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Re: Delta Fleet Thread - 2021

Tue Feb 16, 2021 1:20 am

PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
A320 3219 N319US, the oldest of non-retired A320s is scheduled to ferry out of storage MCI-MSP on Wednesday.
The last of the A320s that were stored in MCI.
After this I think there are only 1-2 A320s that are still in storage that aren't in SAL for maintenance or in the process or being reactivated.

Correct. 3257 at SBD and 3262 at BHM.
 
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Re: Delta Fleet Thread - 2021

Tue Feb 16, 2021 6:30 am

MO11 wrote:
913, 978, and 9012 sold to USA Jet on Wednesday, presumably for their fine parts.

There were rumors pre-COVID that USAJet was going to take a handful of DL's MD88s either to replace / augment their existing fleet and/or for engines/rotable parts with green-time.

That appears to be the case here.
 
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Re: Delta Fleet Thread - 2021

Tue Feb 16, 2021 6:45 am

Summary of the movements over the past ~week.

Last week:
Mon 2/8 B752 ATL-VCV 681 N681DA (75D) 9960 (ferry to storage)
Mon 2/8 B738 ATL-SBD N388DA 9961 (ferry to storage)
Mon 2/8 A320 ATL-SAL 3253 N353NW (ferry to maintenance)
Mon 2/8 B752 ATL-VQQ 6706 N6706Q (75D) 9963 (ferry to maintenance)
Mon 2/8 B752 VQQ-ATL 6709 N6709 (75D) 9963 (maintenance exit), ferried to VQQ on 1/22/21
Tue 2/9 A320 SAL-ATL 3272 N372NW (ferry from maintenance), ferried from storage in BHM on 1/11/21
Wed 2/10 B712 ILN-MCI-SBD 9586 N937AT 9958 (ferry from storage to storage/retirement), stored at ILN since 4/14/20
Thu 2/11 B763 LAX-VCV 191 N191DN 9963 (ferry to storage/retirement)
Thu 2/11 B752 VCV-LAX 673 N673DL (75D) 9936 (storage exit), stored since 3/30/20
Thu 2/11 A321 MSP-MIA 1017 N117DX 2010 (first revenue flight)
Fri 2/12 A321 BFM-MSP 1015 N115DN 9937 (new delivery), 110th A321 delivery
Fri 2/12 B739 ATL-QRO 3891 N891DN 9962 (ferry to maintenance)
Fri 2/12 B739 QRO-ATL 3890 N890DN 9962 (maintenance exit), ferried to QRO on 2/1/21
Fri 2/12 B763 LAX-VCV 192 N192DN 9963 (ferry to storage/retirement)
Fri 2/12 B763 MCI-ATL 198 N198DN 9958 (maintenance exit), ferried to MCI 1/22/21
Fri 2/12 B763 ATL-MCI 182 N182DN 9958 (ferry to maintenance)
Fri 2/12 A333 SAL-ATL 3316 N816NW 9970 (maintenance exit), ferried to SAL 1/29/21
Sat 2/13 A221 MSP-AUS 8140 N140DU 2116 (first revenue flight)

This week - actual:
Mon 2/15 B712 PIT-ATL 9574 N998AT 9936 (ferry); after taxi overrun, return to revenue service
Mon 2/15 B752 LAX-SBD 6803 N704X (75S) 9960 (ferry to storage)

This week - planned:
Tue 2/16 B752 ATL-VQQ 5637 N537US (75H) 9962 (ferry to maintenance)
Tue 2/16 B752 VQQ-ATL 5635 N535US (75H) 9962 (maintenance exit), ferried to VQQ 1/30/21
Tue 2/16 A320 ATL-SAL 3254 N354NW 9961 (ferry to maintenance)
Tue 2/16 A332 MZJ-ATL 3356 N856NW 9936 (storage exit), stored at MZJ since 3/17/20
Tue 2/16 A332 MZJ-DTW 3357 N857NW 9937 (storage exit), stored at MZJ since 3/16/20
Tue 2/16 A333 ATL-SAL 3302 N802NW 9960 (ferry to maintenance)

Wed 2/17 A333 SAL-ATL 3303 N803NW 9960 (maintenance exit), ferried to SAL 12/22/20
Wed 2/17 A320 MCI-ATL 3219 N319US 9936 (storage exit), stored at MCI since 4/5/20
 
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Re: Delta Fleet Thread - 2021

Tue Feb 16, 2021 2:33 pm

3503 to exit MSP with C+ today: https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n503dn
3502 to enter MSP for C+ tomorrow: https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n502dn

A350s with C+: 3501, 3503, 3509
 
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Re: Delta Fleet Thread - 2021

Tue Feb 16, 2021 3:08 pm

how many days on average is it taking per plane on installation?


n515cr wrote:
3503 to exit MSP with C+ today: https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n503dn
3502 to enter MSP for C+ tomorrow: https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n502dn

A350s with C+: 3501, 3503, 3509
 
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Re: Delta Fleet Thread - 2021

Tue Feb 16, 2021 3:45 pm

TropicalSky wrote:
how many days on average is it taking per plane on installation?


n515cr wrote:
3503 to exit MSP with C+ today: https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n503dn
3502 to enter MSP for C+ tomorrow: https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n502dn

A350s with C+: 3501, 3503, 3509


Around ~14-15
 
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Re: Delta Fleet Thread - 2021

Tue Feb 16, 2021 4:24 pm

n515cr wrote:
3503 to exit MSP with C+ today: https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n503dn
3502 to enter MSP for C+ tomorrow: https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n502dn

A350s with C+: 3501, 3503, 3509

There are two more A350s with C +...3514 and 3515, both of which were delivered with it installed at TLS.
 
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Re: Delta Fleet Thread - 2021

Tue Feb 16, 2021 7:49 pm

Comparing some YOY data, from 10-K, I've prepared some analysis on Pre-COVID vs Post-COVID fleet plans:
Note "italics" indicate an estimated number, based on retirements. I made estimates on the MD90 (pre-COVID, B712, B763 retirement schedule in future years.
This is based on baseline from the 2019 Year-End 10K, and revised based on fleet size and revised delivery schedule in the 2020 Year-end 10K
Some of my capacity/seat counts may be slightly off, going off memory and/or there was variation by sub-types, but was trying to create general groupings of aircraft types.


Small Narrowbody:

PRE-COVID
TYPE Capacity YE2018 YE2019 YE2020 YE2021 YE2022
A221 109 4 28 45 45 45
A223 130 0 0 6 18 36
B712 110 91 91 91 91 91
B73G 130 10 10 10 10 10
A319 132 57 57 57 57 57
SMALL NB 162 186 209 221 239

POST-COVID:
TYPE Capacity YE2018 YE2019 YE2020 YE2021 YE 2022
A221 109 4 28 38 41 45
A223 130 0 0 5 10 17
B712 110 91 91 50 42 31
B73G 130 10 10 0 0 0
A319 132 57 57 57 57 57
SMALL NB 162 186 150 150 150

The number of small narrowbodies, (110-130 seat) is going to decrease and be about 80-90 frames less than pre-COVID through 2022.
Primarily from accelerated retirement of 717s, the retirement of the 73G fleet, and pushing out A220 deliveries.
The buffer is going to be how many degrees of freedom there is to either accelerate or extend the B717 retirement, currently planned by December 2025.
Considering they are an orphan fleet type, I'm sure lessors would be more than willing to extend leases if necessary in the out years if additional capacity is needed in this fleet size.

Medium Narrowbody:
Pre-COVID
TYPE Capacity YE2018 YE2019 YE2020 YE2021 YE2022
MD88 149 84 47 0 0 0
A320 157 62 62 62 62 62
B738 160 77 77 77 77 77
MD90 160 43 30 30 30 0
MED NB 266 216 169 169 139

Post-COVID
TYPE Capacity YE2018 YE2019 YE2020 YE2021 YE 2022
MD88 149 84 47 0 0 0
A320 157 62 62 52 52 52
B738 160 77 77 77 77 77
MD90 160 43 30 0 0 0
MED NB 266 216 129 129 129

For medium-sized narrowbodies, in the 150-160 seat range, the MD88s were already scheduled to be retired by the end of 2020, and the MD90s were gone by the end of 2022 if not sooner. No deliveries in this capacity segment for the forseeable future. Since the A320s, other than the 10 that were retired in 2020 that were due up for heavy maintenance, the rest will likely stay for the next few years, at least through 2022.

Large Narrowbody:
Pre-COVID
TYPE Capacity YE2018 YE2019 YE2020 YE2021 YE2022
B739 180 112 130 130 130 130
A321 189 65 96 127 127 127
A21N 190 0 0 1 42 82
B752 192 100 100 100 100 100
B753 224 16 16 16 16 16
LARGE NB 293 342 374 415 455

Post-COVID
TYPE Capacity YE2018 YE2019 YE2020 YE2021 YE 2022
B739 180 112 130 130 130 130
A321 189 65 96 105 127 127
A21N 190 0 0 0 0 18
B752 192 100 100 100 100 100
B753 224 16 16 16 16 16
LARGE NB 293 342 351 373 391

Large narrowbodies didn't see any early retirements but have had deliveries delayed with the A321CEO & NEO. Going to be about 50-60 frames less than anticipated preCovid growth at the end of 2020 that pre-pandemic plans.

Widebody:
Pre-COVID
TYPE Capacity YE2018 YE2019 YE2020 YE2021 YE2022
B763 226 58 56 56 56 56
B764 246 21 21 21 21 21
A332 234 11 11 11 11 11
A339 281 0 4 11 22 30
A333 293 31 31 31 31 31
A359 306 11 13 17 19 19
B77E/L 290 18 18 18 18 18
WB FLEET 150 154 165 178 186

Post-COVID:
TYPE Capacity YE2018 YE2019 YE2020 YE2021 YE 2022
B763 226 58 56 34 31 23
B764 246 21 21 21 21 21
A332 234 11 11 11 11 11
A339 281 0 4 8 11 19
A333 293 31 31 31 31 31
A359 306 11 13 15 15 17
B77E/L 290 18 18 0 0 0
WB FLEET 150 154 120 120 122

Pre-Covid, DL was at 150-154 widebodies with plans to grow the fleet to approaching 180 frames by end of 2022.
Now the fleet is currently at 120 frames and going to be relatively flat in size through 2022 as A339 & A359 deliveries will be offset by B763 retirements.
B763 retirements will act as the buffer with full retirement of the remaining 34 frames planned by December 2025.

TOTAL:

Pre-COVID

YE2018 YE2019 YE2020 YE2021 YE2022
TOTAL 871 898 917 983 1019

Post-COVID
YE2018 YE2019 YE2020 YE2021 YE 2022
TOTAL 871 898 750 772 792

The pre-COVID fleet size was a bit optimistic, as it likely didn't include any potential retirements to offset the large number of deliveries if all the A220, A321CEO, NEOs has been delivered to the pre-pandemic plan. If demand kept growing at the rate it was in a hot economy it was possible.
Now at YE2020, DL is down to 750 mainline aircraft and planning to slowing grow/rebuild from there. Instead of being near/above 1000 aircraft by YE2020, DL will now likely be around 800. 20% less than pre-pandemic.

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Others please feel free to chime in and analyze, refute, discuss, or pontificate.....
 
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Re: Delta Fleet Thread - 2021

Tue Feb 16, 2021 8:00 pm

PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
Comparing some YOY data, from 10-K, I've prepared some analysis on Pre-COVID vs Post-COVID fleet plans:
Note "italics" indicate an estimated number, based on retirements. I made estimates on the MD90 (pre-COVID, B712, B763 retirement schedule in future years.
This is based on baseline from the 2019 Year-End 10K, and revised based on fleet size and revised delivery schedule in the 2020 Year-end 10K
Some of my capacity/seat counts may be slightly off, going off memory and/or there was variation by sub-types, but was trying to create general groupings of aircraft types.


Small Narrowbody:

PRE-COVID
TYPE Capacity YE2018 YE2019 YE2020 YE2021 YE2022
A221 109 4 28 45 45 45
A223 130 0 0 6 18 36
B712 110 91 91 91 91 91
B73G 130 10 10 10 10 10
A319 132 57 57 57 57 57
SMALL NB 162 186 209 221 239

POST-COVID:
TYPE Capacity YE2018 YE2019 YE2020 YE2021 YE 2022
A221 109 4 28 38 41 45
A223 130 0 0 5 10 17
B712 110 91 91 50 42 31
B73G 130 10 10 0 0 0
A319 132 57 57 57 57 57
SMALL NB 162 186 150 150 150

The number of small narrowbodies, (110-130 seat) is going to decrease and be about 80-90 frames less than pre-COVID through 2022.
Primarily from accelerated retirement of 717s, the retirement of the 73G fleet, and pushing out A220 deliveries.
The buffer is going to be how many degrees of freedom there is to either accelerate or extend the B717 retirement, currently planned by December 2025.
Considering they are an orphan fleet type, I'm sure lessors would be more than willing to extend leases if necessary in the out years if additional capacity is needed in this fleet size.

Medium Narrowbody:
Pre-COVID
TYPE Capacity YE2018 YE2019 YE2020 YE2021 YE2022
MD88 149 84 47 0 0 0
A320 157 62 62 62 62 62
B738 160 77 77 77 77 77
MD90 160 43 30 30 30 0
MED NB 266 216 169 169 139

Post-COVID
TYPE Capacity YE2018 YE2019 YE2020 YE2021 YE 2022
MD88 149 84 47 0 0 0
A320 157 62 62 52 52 52
B738 160 77 77 77 77 77
MD90 160 43 30 0 0 0
MED NB 266 216 129 129 129

For medium-sized narrowbodies, in the 150-160 seat range, the MD88s were already scheduled to be retired by the end of 2020, and the MD90s were gone by the end of 2022 if not sooner. No deliveries in this capacity segment for the forseeable future. Since the A320s, other than the 10 that were retired in 2020 that were due up for heavy maintenance, the rest will likely stay for the next few years, at least through 2022.

Large Narrowbody:
Pre-COVID
TYPE Capacity YE2018 YE2019 YE2020 YE2021 YE2022
B739 180 112 130 130 130 130
A321 189 65 96 127 127 127
A21N 190 0 0 1 42 82
B752 192 100 100 100 100 100
B753 224 16 16 16 16 16
LARGE NB 293 342 374 415 455

Post-COVID
TYPE Capacity YE2018 YE2019 YE2020 YE2021 YE 2022
B739 180 112 130 130 130 130
A321 189 65 96 105 127 127
A21N 190 0 0 0 0 18
B752 192 100 100 100 100 100
B753 224 16 16 16 16 16
LARGE NB 293 342 351 373 391

Large narrowbodies didn't see any early retirements but have had deliveries delayed with the A321CEO & NEO. Going to be about 50-60 frames less than anticipated preCovid growth at the end of 2020 that pre-pandemic plans.

Widebody:
Pre-COVID
TYPE Capacity YE2018 YE2019 YE2020 YE2021 YE2022
B763 226 58 56 56 56 56
B764 246 21 21 21 21 21
A332 234 11 11 11 11 11
A339 281 0 4 11 22 30
A333 293 31 31 31 31 31
A359 306 11 13 17 19 19
B77E/L 290 18 18 18 18 18
WB FLEET 150 154 165 178 186

Post-COVID:
TYPE Capacity YE2018 YE2019 YE2020 YE2021 YE 2022
B763 226 58 56 34 31 23
B764 246 21 21 21 21 21
A332 234 11 11 11 11 11
A339 281 0 4 8 11 19
A333 293 31 31 31 31 31
A359 306 11 13 15 15 17
B77E/L 290 18 18 0 0 0
WB FLEET 150 154 120 120 122

Pre-Covid, DL was at 150-154 widebodies with plans to grow the fleet to approaching 180 frames by end of 2022.
Now the fleet is currently at 120 frames and going to be relatively flat in size through 2022 as A339 & A359 deliveries will be offset by B763 retirements.
B763 retirements will act as the buffer with full retirement of the remaining 34 frames planned by December 2025.

TOTAL:

Pre-COVID

YE2018 YE2019 YE2020 YE2021 YE2022
TOTAL 871 898 917 983 1019

Post-COVID
YE2018 YE2019 YE2020 YE2021 YE 2022
TOTAL 871 898 750 772 792

The pre-COVID fleet size was a bit optimistic, as it likely didn't include any potential retirements to offset the large number of deliveries if all the A220, A321CEO, NEOs has been delivered to the pre-pandemic plan. If demand kept growing at the rate it was in a hot economy it was possible.
Now at YE2020, DL is down to 750 mainline aircraft and planning to slowing grow/rebuild from there. Instead of being near/above 1000 aircraft by YE2020, DL will now likely be around 800. 20% less than pre-pandemic.

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Others please feel free to chime in and analyze, refute, discuss, or pontificate.....


Thanks for putting this together - I had been waiting for the 10K for this reason. I posited a few months ago A321neos were the bulk of the delays and while that is mostly true, it looks like they still are getting a decent number while pushing out some A220s and A339s (A359 change is negligible).
 
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Re: Delta Fleet Thread - 2021

Wed Feb 17, 2021 12:42 am

1706 to exit VCV tomorrow: https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n176dz (ferried from ILN on 11/6/2020)
 
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Re: Delta Fleet Thread - 2021

Wed Feb 17, 2021 2:22 am

PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:

Large Narrowbody:
Pre-COVID
TYPE Capacity YE2018 YE2019 YE2020 YE2021 YE2022
B739 180 112 130 130 130 130
A321 189 65 96 127 127 127
A21N 190 0 0 1 42 82
B752 192 100 100 100 100 100
B753 224 16 16 16 16 16
LARGE NB 293 342 374 415 455

Post-COVID
TYPE Capacity YE2018 YE2019 YE2020 YE2021 YE 2022
B739 180 112 130 130 130 130
A321 189 65 96 105 127 127
A21N 190 0 0 0 0 18
B752 192 100 100 100 100 100
B753 224 16 16 16 16 16
LARGE NB 293 342 351 373 391

Large narrowbodies didn't see any early retirements but have had deliveries delayed with the A321CEO & NEO. Going to be about 50-60 frames less than anticipated preCovid growth at the end of 2020 that pre-pandemic plans

The pre-COVID fleet size was a bit optimistic, as it likely didn't include any potential retirements to offset the large number of deliveries if all the A220, A321CEO, NEOs has been delivered to the pre-pandemic plan. If demand kept growing at the rate it was in a hot economy it was possible.
Now at YE2020, DL is down to 750 mainline aircraft and planning to slowing grow/rebuild from there. Instead of being near/above 1000 aircraft by YE2020, DL will now likely be around 800. 20% less than pre-pandemic.

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Others please feel free to chime in and analyze, refute, discuss, or pontificate.....


Good job with this analysis!

Wasn't the A21N order originally intended to replace the B752's? When the A21N's (finally) start showing up, will one-for-one B752 retirements start to happen? Will the A21N order be modified to include some XLR's to replace B752's that are (were) used in Trans Atlantic services?
 
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Re: Delta Fleet Thread - 2021

Wed Feb 17, 2021 2:36 am

FLALEFTY wrote:
Wasn't the A21N order originally intended to replace the B752's? When the A21N's (finally) start showing up, will one-for-one B752 retirements start to happen? Will the A21N order be modified to include some XLR's to replace B752's that are (were) used in Trans Atlantic services?


The A321NEO was never explicitly said to be a direct replacement for B752s, but one can infer it could be. In the pre-COVID era, the balance of the A321CEOs & A220s in 2020 would have effectively been replacement capacity and/or upgauging to replace capacity from MD88 retirements, plus some amount of growth. The NEOs would have replaced the capacity lost from the MD90 retirements in 2021 & 2022, allowed for some growth, and replaced an interminant amount of older A320 frames

The A321NEO will likely be used to replace some of the oldest A320 and B752 (75D) that may come due in 2023+ as well as rebuilt capacity coming out of COVID.

There is no indication DL is could to switch to XLR, but not saying they couldn't. Pre-COVID, DL was rapidly phasing out of 757 (75S) TATL flying.
Summer 2020 757 TATL flying was planned to be JFK-GLA/EDI/KEF/SNN, BOS-EDI/LIS, MSP-KEF

TL/DR - A21N will be a combination of backfilling/rebuilding capacity, and replacement capacity for some combination (but not all) of 2023+ 757 & A320 retirements.
 
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Re: Delta Fleet Thread - 2021

Wed Feb 17, 2021 3:15 am

Some strange action with one of the 717-200s, N980AT. Took off on the 13th as the first flight of the day from OKC to ATL as DL1708 and diverted to MSY as it was at 33,000 over Huntsville, AL. Going to guess this was due to early morning fog/weather at ATL with such a far diversion to MSY but not sure. Then, on the 14th, ferried over to ATL as DL9961. The FR24 tracking on the ground at ATL seems to be a bit spotty as of late, so can't really tell where it parked on Sunday, but FlightAware shows Concourse B. Then, this morning, it takes off as DL9982 (again, hard to tell where it was parked at ATL), and at 20,000 feet over North Alabama, it turns around back to the east, climbs to 25,000, and heads to Savannah. FlightAware showing that the intended routing was ATL-ATL and a diversion to SAV. Then, it flew back to ATL this afternoon, yet again as DL9982.

Seems like a strange course of events. Only explanation that I can think of was that DL9982 this morning was a test flight, and wintry weather conditions in ATL prohibited a landing at ATL on the test flight so went to SAV to avoid the weather. Then, the flight back to ATL from SAV was the completion of the test flight once the weather cleared up. Just thought that was an interesting turn of events.
 
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Re: Delta Fleet Thread - 2021

Wed Feb 17, 2021 1:48 pm

3824's RTS keeps getting kicked down the road. We'll see if it goes later today or not: https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n824dn
5635 RTS this morning: https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n535us
8307 first revenue flight tomorrow: https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n307du
 
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Re: Delta Fleet Thread - 2021

Wed Feb 17, 2021 6:03 pm

gdavis003 wrote:
Some strange action with one of the 717-200s, N980AT. Took off on the 13th as the first flight of the day from OKC to ATL as DL1708 and diverted to MSY as it was at 33,000 over Huntsville, AL. Going to guess this was due to early morning fog/weather at ATL with such a far diversion to MSY but not sure. Then, on the 14th, ferried over to ATL as DL9961. The FR24 tracking on the ground at ATL seems to be a bit spotty as of late, so can't really tell where it parked on Sunday, but FlightAware shows Concourse B. Then, this morning, it takes off as DL9982 (again, hard to tell where it was parked at ATL), and at 20,000 feet over North Alabama, it turns around back to the east, climbs to 25,000, and heads to Savannah. FlightAware showing that the intended routing was ATL-ATL and a diversion to SAV. Then, it flew back to ATL this afternoon, yet again as DL9982.

Seems like a strange course of events. Only explanation that I can think of was that DL9982 this morning was a test flight, and wintry weather conditions in ATL prohibited a landing at ATL on the test flight so went to SAV to avoid the weather. Then, the flight back to ATL from SAV was the completion of the test flight once the weather cleared up. Just thought that was an interesting turn of events.

Operated as a pilot trainer.
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Wed Feb 17, 2021 8:07 pm

 
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Wed Feb 17, 2021 8:09 pm

deltaguy767 wrote:
gdavis003 wrote:
Some strange action with one of the 717-200s, N980AT. Took off on the 13th as the first flight of the day from OKC to ATL as DL1708 and diverted to MSY as it was at 33,000 over Huntsville, AL. Going to guess this was due to early morning fog/weather at ATL with such a far diversion to MSY but not sure. Then, on the 14th, ferried over to ATL as DL9961. The FR24 tracking on the ground at ATL seems to be a bit spotty as of late, so can't really tell where it parked on Sunday, but FlightAware shows Concourse B. Then, this morning, it takes off as DL9982 (again, hard to tell where it was parked at ATL), and at 20,000 feet over North Alabama, it turns around back to the east, climbs to 25,000, and heads to Savannah. FlightAware showing that the intended routing was ATL-ATL and a diversion to SAV. Then, it flew back to ATL this afternoon, yet again as DL9982.

Seems like a strange course of events. Only explanation that I can think of was that DL9982 this morning was a test flight, and wintry weather conditions in ATL prohibited a landing at ATL on the test flight so went to SAV to avoid the weather. Then, the flight back to ATL from SAV was the completion of the test flight once the weather cleared up. Just thought that was an interesting turn of events.

Operated as a pilot trainer.


That would make sense. Thanks. Glad it wasn't a mx issue
 
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Re: Delta Fleet Thread - 2021

Wed Feb 17, 2021 10:53 pm

gdavis003 wrote:
deltaguy767 wrote:
gdavis003 wrote:
Some strange action with one of the 717-200s, N980AT. Took off on the 13th as the first flight of the day from OKC to ATL as DL1708 and diverted to MSY as it was at 33,000 over Huntsville, AL. Going to guess this was due to early morning fog/weather at ATL with such a far diversion to MSY but not sure. Then, on the 14th, ferried over to ATL as DL9961. The FR24 tracking on the ground at ATL seems to be a bit spotty as of late, so can't really tell where it parked on Sunday, but FlightAware shows Concourse B. Then, this morning, it takes off as DL9982 (again, hard to tell where it was parked at ATL), and at 20,000 feet over North Alabama, it turns around back to the east, climbs to 25,000, and heads to Savannah. FlightAware showing that the intended routing was ATL-ATL and a diversion to SAV. Then, it flew back to ATL this afternoon, yet again as DL9982.

Seems like a strange course of events. Only explanation that I can think of was that DL9982 this morning was a test flight, and wintry weather conditions in ATL prohibited a landing at ATL on the test flight so went to SAV to avoid the weather. Then, the flight back to ATL from SAV was the completion of the test flight once the weather cleared up. Just thought that was an interesting turn of events.

Operated as a pilot trainer.


That would make sense. Thanks. Glad it wasn't a mx issue


What in the world? No, It was not a pilot training flight.

That particular aircraft had the tail anti-ice switch off uncommanded, which triggered the diversions to MSY where enroute they would not fly through weather.

Subsequent flights, including the ferry into ATL from MSY, the squawk surfaced still. Verification flights were flown until fixed.
 
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Re: Delta Fleet Thread - 2021

Wed Feb 17, 2021 11:07 pm

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ViaSat won't be cut in on new ceos until ship 1017 at last check.

Any updates on the ViaSat installation on the ceos? Photo below of 1017, N117DX, taken since induction, doesn't show a WiFi "hump".

https://www.jetphotos.com/photo/10055967
 
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Re: Delta Fleet Thread - 2021

Thu Feb 18, 2021 1:13 am

I have a friend riding aboard DL2020 TPA-ATL 767-300ER doing an air return to TPA right now. Problem with flight controls according to the captain. Plane was originally late in. Not a statistic, but I’ve personally observed a lot of maintenance issues with the 767 lately.
 
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Re: Delta Fleet Thread - 2021

Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:08 am

CRJ200flyer wrote:
I have a friend riding aboard DL2020 TPA-ATL 767-300ER doing an air return to TPA right now. Problem with flight controls according to the captain. Plane was originally late in. Not a statistic, but I’ve personally observed a lot of maintenance issues with the 767 lately.


What are all of the other issues?
 
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Re: Delta Fleet Thread - 2021

Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:16 am

777luver wrote:
CRJ200flyer wrote:
I have a friend riding aboard DL2020 TPA-ATL 767-300ER doing an air return to TPA right now. Problem with flight controls according to the captain. Plane was originally late in. Not a statistic, but I’ve personally observed a lot of maintenance issues with the 767 lately.


What are all of the other issues?


I’m not sure what exactly went wrong with the other flights, but I’ve just observed delays and cancellations impacting my friends and family with this particular fleet type often. My poor brother just before covid had his 767 flight to Germany delayed 6 hours for maintenance, and then his return flight days later outright canceled for maintenance. The friend who ended up air returned to Tampa tonight has experienced maintenance delays the past few months specifically with 767s. Again these are merely anecdotal. I was just wondering if anyone had any reliability data to see whether I’m just having bad luck.
 
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Re: Delta Fleet Thread - 2021

Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:48 am

CRJ200flyer wrote:
777luver wrote:
CRJ200flyer wrote:
I have a friend riding aboard DL2020 TPA-ATL 767-300ER doing an air return to TPA right now. Problem with flight controls according to the captain. Plane was originally late in. Not a statistic, but I’ve personally observed a lot of maintenance issues with the 767 lately.


What are all of the other issues?


I’m not sure what exactly went wrong with the other flights, but I’ve just observed delays and cancellations impacting my friends and family with this particular fleet type often. My poor brother just before covid had his 767 flight to Germany delayed 6 hours for maintenance, and then his return flight days later outright canceled for maintenance. The friend who ended up air returned to Tampa tonight has experienced maintenance delays the past few months specifically with 767s. Again these are merely anecdotal. I was just wondering if anyone had any reliability data to see whether I’m just having bad luck.


Sounds like shitty luck, I'll let a mechanic answer with any reliability data. I'd imagine it'd be just bad luck tho
 
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Re: Delta Fleet Thread - 2021

Thu Feb 18, 2021 4:33 pm

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3824's RTS keeps getting kicked down the road. We'll see if it goes later today or not: https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n824dn
5635 RTS this morning: https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n535us
8307 first revenue flight tomorrow: https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n307du


3303 airborne this morning.

3824 appears to be having some sort of issue as it went back to the gate.

1012 acceptance flight today. https://aibfamily.flights/A320/10085. Curious to see how quickly the XFW birds start rolling out given that several have been built and delivery delayed due to the tax situation.
 
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Re: Delta Fleet Thread - 2021

Thu Feb 18, 2021 4:37 pm

n515cr wrote:
n515cr wrote:
1012 acceptance flight today. https://aibfamily.flights/A320/10085. Curious to see how quickly the XFW birds start rolling out given that several have been built and delivery delayed due to the tax situation.

Do you know if there has been any change to the tax situation yet? I can't recall hearing anything specific in the news, but not all policy changes get covered in detail.
 
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Re: Delta Fleet Thread - 2021

Thu Feb 18, 2021 4:42 pm

timf wrote:
n515cr wrote:
n515cr wrote:
1012 acceptance flight today. https://aibfamily.flights/A320/10085. Curious to see how quickly the XFW birds start rolling out given that several have been built and delivery delayed due to the tax situation.

Do you know if there has been any change to the tax situation yet? I can't recall hearing anything specific in the news, but not all policy changes get covered in detail.


Nada, but frankly haven't been watching. I'm sure there are quite a few folks on a.net that will know (and likely say something) way before I get wind of it.
 
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Re: Delta Fleet Thread - 2021

Thu Feb 18, 2021 4:47 pm

n515cr wrote:
n515cr wrote:
3824's RTS keeps getting kicked down the road. We'll see if it goes later today or not: https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n824dn
5635 RTS this morning: https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n535us
8307 first revenue flight tomorrow: https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n307du


3303 airborne this morning.

3824 appears to be having some sort of issue as it went back to the gate.

1012 acceptance flight today. https://aibfamily.flights/A320/10085. Curious to see how quickly the XFW birds start rolling out given that several have been built and delivery delayed due to the tax situation.


Looks like 3824 has been swapped out for 3893 and is now scheduled to fly DL523 later today.
 
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Re: Delta Fleet Thread - 2021

Thu Feb 18, 2021 7:52 pm

CRJ200flyer wrote:
I have a friend riding aboard DL2020 TPA-ATL 767-300ER doing an air return to TPA right now. Problem with flight controls according to the captain. Plane was originally late in. Not a statistic, but I’ve personally observed a lot of maintenance issues with the 767 lately.


To follow-up, that same airplane N175DZ attempted another flight this morning (DL1541) and returned immediately to TPA again.
 
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Re: Delta Fleet Thread - 2021

Thu Feb 18, 2021 8:31 pm

CRJ200flyer wrote:
CRJ200flyer wrote:
I have a friend riding aboard DL2020 TPA-ATL 767-300ER doing an air return to TPA right now. Problem with flight controls according to the captain. Plane was originally late in. Not a statistic, but I’ve personally observed a lot of maintenance issues with the 767 lately.


To follow-up, that same airplane N175DZ attempted another flight this morning (DL1541) and returned immediately to TPA again.


It continues to have flap configuration status messages on retraction. Only squawking while flying, and not on the ground. It's a mechanic's nightmare.
 
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Re: Delta Fleet Thread - 2021

Thu Feb 18, 2021 8:34 pm

n515cr wrote:
timf wrote:
n515cr wrote:

Do you know if there has been any change to the tax situation yet? I can't recall hearing anything specific in the news, but not all policy changes get covered in detail.


Nada, but frankly haven't been watching. I'm sure there are quite a few folks on a.net that will know (and likely say something) way before I get wind of it.


There is still a tariff in place.

XFW deliveries will ferry via KEF and YYR to SAL for induction.

There seems to be some sort of loophole still that allows DL to import them at either a reduced or no cost, as the A339s and A350s are getting imported this year.
 
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Re: Delta Fleet Thread - 2021

Thu Feb 18, 2021 8:41 pm

777Mech wrote:
n515cr wrote:
timf wrote:
Do you know if there has been any change to the tax situation yet? I can't recall hearing anything specific in the news, but not all policy changes get covered in detail.


Nada, but frankly haven't been watching. I'm sure there are quite a few folks on a.net that will know (and likely say something) way before I get wind of it.


There is still a tariff in place.

XFW deliveries will ferry via KEF and YYR to SAL for induction.

There seems to be some sort of loophole still that allows DL to import them at either a reduced or no cost, as the A339s and A350s are getting imported this year.

Once the airplane is considered used it can be imported without being subject to the tariff. They will be deployed on int'l legs only until reaching whatever that hours/cycles threshold is and then be imported.
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Re: Delta Fleet Thread - 2021

Thu Feb 18, 2021 10:31 pm

3824 now in the air: https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n824dn

deltaguy767 wrote:
777Mech wrote:
n515cr wrote:

Nada, but frankly haven't been watching. I'm sure there are quite a few folks on a.net that will know (and likely say something) way before I get wind of it.


There is still a tariff in place.

XFW deliveries will ferry via KEF and YYR to SAL for induction.

There seems to be some sort of loophole still that allows DL to import them at either a reduced or no cost, as the A339s and A350s are getting imported this year.

Once the airplane is considered used it can be imported without being subject to the tariff. They will be deployed on int'l legs only until reaching whatever that hours/cycles threshold is and then be imported.

Yep, explains why some of the 339s, 359s, and 321s have done some unorthodox deliveries and early service flights.
 
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Fri Feb 19, 2021 4:13 am

753 5807 showing a cancelled exit from SBD tomorrow. This is the last 753 in storage: https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n587nw
76Z 189 scheduled to exit BHM to JFK Saturday: https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n189dn
 
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Re: Delta Fleet Thread - 2021

Fri Feb 19, 2021 4:40 am

deltaguy767 wrote:
gdavis003 wrote:
Some strange action with one of the 717-200s, N980AT. Took off on the 13th as the first flight of the day from OKC to ATL as DL1708 and diverted to MSY as it was at 33,000 over Huntsville, AL. Going to guess this was due to early morning fog/weather at ATL with such a far diversion to MSY but not sure. Then, on the 14th, ferried over to ATL as DL9961. The FR24 tracking on the ground at ATL seems to be a bit spotty as of late, so can't really tell where it parked on Sunday, but FlightAware shows Concourse B. Then, this morning, it takes off as DL9982 (again, hard to tell where it was parked at ATL), and at 20,000 feet over North Alabama, it turns around back to the east, climbs to 25,000, and heads to Savannah. FlightAware showing that the intended routing was ATL-ATL and a diversion to SAV. Then, it flew back to ATL this afternoon, yet again as DL9982.

Seems like a strange course of events. Only explanation that I can think of was that DL9982 this morning was a test flight, and wintry weather conditions in ATL prohibited a landing at ATL on the test flight so went to SAV to avoid the weather. Then, the flight back to ATL from SAV was the completion of the test flight once the weather cleared up. Just thought that was an interesting turn of events.

Operated as a pilot trainer.


I thought using the actual aircraft for training went away a long time ago? Delta had some nasty training crashes costing lives of crew members.
 
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Re: Delta Fleet Thread - 2021

Fri Feb 19, 2021 7:46 am

TTailedTiger wrote:
deltaguy767 wrote:
gdavis003 wrote:
Some strange action with one of the 717-200s, N980AT. Took off on the 13th as the first flight of the day from OKC to ATL as DL1708 and diverted to MSY as it was at 33,000 over Huntsville, AL. Going to guess this was due to early morning fog/weather at ATL with such a far diversion to MSY but not sure. Then, on the 14th, ferried over to ATL as DL9961. The FR24 tracking on the ground at ATL seems to be a bit spotty as of late, so can't really tell where it parked on Sunday, but FlightAware shows Concourse B. Then, this morning, it takes off as DL9982 (again, hard to tell where it was parked at ATL), and at 20,000 feet over North Alabama, it turns around back to the east, climbs to 25,000, and heads to Savannah. FlightAware showing that the intended routing was ATL-ATL and a diversion to SAV. Then, it flew back to ATL this afternoon, yet again as DL9982.

Seems like a strange course of events. Only explanation that I can think of was that DL9982 this morning was a test flight, and wintry weather conditions in ATL prohibited a landing at ATL on the test flight so went to SAV to avoid the weather. Then, the flight back to ATL from SAV was the completion of the test flight once the weather cleared up. Just thought that was an interesting turn of events.

Operated as a pilot trainer.


I thought using the actual aircraft for training went away a long time ago? Delta had some nasty training crashes costing lives of crew members.


He was incorrect saying it was a training flight anyways.

The last training flights I remember were A350 familiarization flights to HSV, CVG, DTW etc.
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