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jb1087xna wrote:I third the request for a combined narrow and wide thread.
Just curious, does anyone have a list of what is still stored? I know that's a bear of a question...just seems like handfuls of various types keep rolling in week after week.
From the activity listed for this weekend, it looks like an incremental 1 752 and 2 763s coming into rotation. Assuming some domestic routes are getting upgauged given we're in January to begin with and then the ongoing pandemic? Or is there some international flying actually resuming this month?
dalmit wrote:Looks like Delta was able to sell 7 767s.
https://thepointsguy.com/news/amazon-buys-delta-767s/
Are these the 76Ts ? Or the older 76Z version 2s?
PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:The 10 A320s that were retired in 2020 include 3219 & 3222-3230.
There are still a few more to reactivate out of BHM & SBD, but not many left at this point.
Pretty interesting considering that in April 2020 the entire A320 fleet was grounded / in-storage.
gdavis003 wrote:PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:The 10 A320s that were retired in 2020 include 3219 & 3222-3230.
There are still a few more to reactivate out of BHM & SBD, but not many left at this point.
Pretty interesting considering that in April 2020 the entire A320 fleet was grounded / in-storage.
Thanks. I presume these won’t be resold with their age but who knows. Also am curious where their final resting place ends up being. The outlier at MCI will likely be moved, I would think, but I’ll be interested to see if they part out and scrap some of these at BHM
PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:The 10 A320s that were retired in 2020 include 3219 & 3222-3230.
n515cr wrote:3217 was retired 6/30/202. 3219 is still parked @ MCI.
3257 is at SBD
3236 (being reactivated today), 3262, and 3272 are at BHM.
Delta350 wrote:n515cr wrote:3217 was retired 6/30/202. 3219 is still parked @ MCI.
3257 is at SBD
3236 (being reactivated today), 3262, and 3272 are at BHM.
There’s 3 A320 at BHM? (Including the one leaving today)
gdavis003 wrote:Delta350 wrote:n515cr wrote:3217 was retired 6/30/202. 3219 is still parked @ MCI.
3257 is at SBD
3236 (being reactivated today), 3262, and 3272 are at BHM.
There’s 3 A320 at BHM? (Including the one leaving today)
There’s 9. 3222-3224, 3227, 3228, 3230, 3236 (leaving today), 3262, and 3272 (according to planespotters)
PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:jb1087xna wrote:I third the request for a combined narrow and wide thread.
Just curious, does anyone have a list of what is still stored? I know that's a bear of a question...just seems like handfuls of various types keep rolling in week after week.
From the activity listed for this weekend, it looks like an incremental 1 752 and 2 763s coming into rotation. Assuming some domestic routes are getting upgauged given we're in January to begin with and then the ongoing pandemic? Or is there some international flying actually resuming this month?
Planespotters.net is generally the closest to most accurate snapshot of the status, but with some context.
They do miss some things and/or are quick to indicate an aircraft as "stored" if it hasn't flown in a few days.
In the current state, DL has a lot of aircraft that are in-service but at very low utilization rates. Particularly in the A359, A333, B764, B763, B712 fleets where some aircraft may go days, if not a week between flights. It can be more cost-effective to do rolling parking for upwards of 1-2 weeks instead of putting aircraft in short-term storage.
Thus, the numbers are a bit "slushy".
a2b7 wrote:PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:jb1087xna wrote:I third the request for a combined narrow and wide thread.
Just curious, does anyone have a list of what is still stored? I know that's a bear of a question...just seems like handfuls of various types keep rolling in week after week.
From the activity listed for this weekend, it looks like an incremental 1 752 and 2 763s coming into rotation. Assuming some domestic routes are getting upgauged given we're in January to begin with and then the ongoing pandemic? Or is there some international flying actually resuming this month?
Planespotters.net is generally the closest to most accurate snapshot of the status, but with some context.
They do miss some things and/or are quick to indicate an aircraft as "stored" if it hasn't flown in a few days.
In the current state, DL has a lot of aircraft that are in-service but at very low utilization rates. Particularly in the A359, A333, B764, B763, B712 fleets where some aircraft may go days, if not a week between flights. It can be more cost-effective to do rolling parking for upwards of 1-2 weeks instead of putting aircraft in short-term storage.
Thus, the numbers are a bit "slushy".
It is true that the "stored" category on planespotters.net was ambiguous, but recently the new category "parked" was introduced for aircraft that are still in a fleet but haven't flown in a few days.
As MIflyer12 already noted, planespotters.net is not up to date with Delta's last year's retirements, which includes the 10 A320 retirements missing. As far as I understand, it is mainly based on contributions from volunteers, so if anyone of you knows which were retired and which are just parked, in maintenance, etc., I am sure that they would appreciate if you could take the time to file a correction that moves the airframes in question to the historic fleet.
PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:a2b7 wrote:PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:Planespotters.net is generally the closest to most accurate snapshot of the status, but with some context.
They do miss some things and/or are quick to indicate an aircraft as "stored" if it hasn't flown in a few days.
In the current state, DL has a lot of aircraft that are in-service but at very low utilization rates. Particularly in the A359, A333, B764, B763, B712 fleets where some aircraft may go days, if not a week between flights. It can be more cost-effective to do rolling parking for upwards of 1-2 weeks instead of putting aircraft in short-term storage.
Thus, the numbers are a bit "slushy".
It is true that the "stored" category on planespotters.net was ambiguous, but recently the new category "parked" was introduced for aircraft that are still in a fleet but haven't flown in a few days.
As MIflyer12 already noted, planespotters.net is not up to date with Delta's last year's retirements, which includes the 10 A320 retirements missing. As far as I understand, it is mainly based on contributions from volunteers, so if anyone of you knows which were retired and which are just parked, in maintenance, etc., I am sure that they would appreciate if you could take the time to file a correction that moves the airframes in question to the historic fleet.
I tried to send those people over there a bunch of updates, and I got a very curt reply that they didn't want my updates as they only use "reliable" data feeds/sources.
Whatever. I from then on I said screw it.
777Mech wrote:Who do you trust now?PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:a2b7 wrote:It is true that the "stored" category on planespotters.net was ambiguous, but recently the new category "parked" was introduced for aircraft that are still in a fleet but haven't flown in a few days.
As MIflyer12 already noted, planespotters.net is not up to date with Delta's last year's retirements, which includes the 10 A320 retirements missing. As far as I understand, it is mainly based on contributions from volunteers, so if anyone of you knows which were retired and which are just parked, in maintenance, etc., I am sure that they would appreciate if you could take the time to file a correction that moves the airframes in question to the historic fleet.
I tried to send those people over there a bunch of updates, and I got a very curt reply that they didn't want my updates as they only use "reliable" data feeds/sources.
Whatever. I from then on I said screw it.
I washed my hands of planespotters years ago. You can't tell them anything.
PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:As always, a bunch of churn and adjustments with ferry flights. The MD90 ferry from BYH-VCV is moved-up to Tues.
4 B712s headed to SBD on Wednesday - 1 from ILN, 3 that are in service.
This week actual:
Sun 1/3 B763 MCI-ATL 180 N180DN 9963 (maintenance exit) ferried from storage at MZJ on 12/3/20
Sun 1/3 N752 QRO-JFK 6808 N712TW (75S) 9959 (maintenance exit); ferried from storage at VCV on 10/20/20
Mon 1/4 A320 BHM-SAL 3236 N336NW 9936 (storage exit to maintenance); stored at BHM since 3/21/20
Mon 1/4 B753 QRO-ATL 5811 N591NW 9937 (maintenance exit); ferried from ATL on 11/9/20
Mon 1/4 B739 QRO-MSP 3836 N836DN 9959 (maintenance exit); ferried from ATL on 12/4/20
Mon 1/4 B738 ATL-BHM 3717 N386DA 9939 (ferry to storage / maintenance)?
Planned:
Tue 1/5 B763 MCI-ATL 1606 N16065 9960 (maintenance exit) ferried from storage at MZJ on 12/8/20; rescheduled from Mon
Tue 1/5 A320 SAL-ATL 3271 N371NW 9937 (maintenance exit); ferried from storage at BHM on 12/17/20
Tue 1/5 B739 VCV-ATL 3889 N889DN 9950 (storage exit); stored at VCV since 3/28/20
Tue 1/5 B739 VCV-QRO 3835 N835DN 9940 (storage exit to maintenance); stored at VCV since 3/31/20
Tue 1/5 MD90 BYH-VCV 9208 N908DA 9939 (ferry between storage locations); stored at BYH since 3/19/20; moved-up from Wed
Tue 1/5 ???? ATL-SLC 9961
Tue 1/5 ???? ATL-SLC 9962
Wed 1/6 A320 ATL-SAL 3264 N364NW 9960 (ferry to maintenance)
Wed 1/6 A320 SAL-ATL 3245 N345NW 9936 (maintenance exit); ferried from MSP on 11/3/20
Wed 1/6 B712 ILN-DFW-SBD 9560 N983AT 9962 (ferry between storage locations for storage / retirement)
Wed 1/6 B712 ATL-DFW-SBD 9561 N938AT 9963 (ferry to storage / retirement)
Wed 1/6 B712 ATL-DFW-SBD 9567 N930AT 9964 (ferry to storage / retirement)
Wed 1/6 B712 ATL-DFW-SBD TBD 9965 (ferry to storage / retirement)
Cancelled/postponed Tue 1/5 B753 ATL-QRO 5813 N593NW 9936 (ferry to maintenance)
PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:Thats what I thought, they just posted tail numbers in the past few minutes, ferry to SLC for introduction to revenue service, the 3rd & 4th A223s to enter service.
Delta350 wrote:777Mech wrote:Who do you trust now?PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:I tried to send those people over there a bunch of updates, and I got a very curt reply that they didn't want my updates as they only use "reliable" data feeds/sources.
Whatever. I from then on I said screw it.
I washed my hands of planespotters years ago. You can't tell them anything.
airlinereporter wrote:Hey all. Delta just announced a major Wi-Fi program. It'll remove Gogo 2Ku from the A321ceo, 737-900ER, and select 757-200s totaling about 300+ aircraft. Can we get a tracker going here for when the program ramps up?
https://news.delta.com/qa-accelerating- ... vity-delta
777Mech wrote:Delta350 wrote:777Mech wrote:Who do you trust now?
I washed my hands of planespotters years ago. You can't tell them anything.
I get my own info, I tried to share with PS but they couldn't be bothered.
Delta350 wrote:N386DA It’s being scrapped and used for parts for the other 738 at BHM
777Mech wrote:Delta350 wrote:N386DA It’s being scrapped and used for parts for the other 738 at BHM
I show it internally as a "rob only with approval" frame that's temp parked.
777Mech wrote:Delta350 wrote:N386DA It’s being scrapped and used for parts for the other 738 at BHM
I show it internally as a "rob only with approval" frame that's temp parked.
777Mech wrote:Delta350 wrote:N386DA It’s being scrapped and used for parts for the other 738 at BHM
I show it internally as a "rob only with approval" frame that's temp parked.
Delta350 wrote:777Mech wrote:Delta350 wrote:N386DA It’s being scrapped and used for parts for the other 738 at BHM
I show it internally as a "rob only with approval" frame that's temp parked.
Huh? What do you mean?
PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:Oh ok, thank you for clearing up the confusion.Delta350 wrote:777Mech wrote:
I show it internally as a "rob only with approval" frame that's temp parked.
Huh? What do you mean?
It means its being parked, and with management approval, rotable parts can be removed with the intent of being used on other aircraft.
That is a lot different than being scrapped or even a full part harvest / tear-down.
Not an uncommon practice with some of these parked aircraft for them to remove rotable parts to use on the active fleet. Particularly with the massive cost reduction and austerity measure in place where they are to avoid any unnecessary part procurement / outside spend.
UA has been doing a ton of this, and robbed a ton of parts of their aircraft parked out in ROW. They have a lot of parts to reinstall on some of those 777s if they intend to reactive some of those frames.
PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:In 2019, DL had put a small number of aircraft into temporary storage, primarily to balance and/or defer airframe and engine overhaul costs.
There were ~3 717s, 2 738s, and a sub-set of MD90s that were put into storage after the end of the peak summer schedule.
It wasn't uncommon in years past for DL to temporarily park some aircraft during fall and winter to defer maintenance. You would occasionally see a few 757s or A330s get parked for a few months.
gdavis003 wrote:PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:In 2019, DL had put a small number of aircraft into temporary storage, primarily to balance and/or defer airframe and engine overhaul costs.
There were ~3 717s, 2 738s, and a sub-set of MD90s that were put into storage after the end of the peak summer schedule.
It wasn't uncommon in years past for DL to temporarily park some aircraft during fall and winter to defer maintenance. You would occasionally see a few 757s or A330s get parked for a few months.
Makes sense, many thanks. Sounds like that temp storage just continued once COVID hit. I haven’t seen N3762Y since March 2020, but at that point, both engines had been removed from the aircraft. Not sure what it’s current status is or when/if it will go back, but that would certainly explain the length of the visit. Guess we’ll have to wait and see. N3764D was the other one, and it went back into service a few months back. Both engines were also removed from that frame at the time as well, IIRC.
PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:More 717s headed to SBD Wed & Thu......
Actual:
Sun 1/3 B763 MCI-ATL 180 N180DN 9963 (maintenance exit) ferried from storage at MZJ on 12/3/20
Sun 1/3 N752 QRO-JFK 6808 N712TW (75S) 9959 (maintenance exit); ferried from storage at VCV on 10/20/20
Mon 1/4 A320 BHM-SAL 3236 N336NW 9936 (storage exit to maintenance); stored at BHM since 3/21/20
Mon 1/4 B753 QRO-ATL 5811 N591NW 9937 (maintenance exit); ferried from ATL on 11/9/20
Mon 1/4 B739 QRO-MSP 3836 N836DN 9959 (maintenance exit); ferried from ATL on 12/4/20
Mon 1/4 B738 ATL-BHM 3717 N386DA 9939 (ferry to storage / maintenance)?
Tue 1/5 A320 SAL-ATL 3271 N371NW 9937 (maintenance exit); ferried from storage at BHM on 12/17/20
Tue 1/5 B739 VCV-ATL 3889 N889DN 9950 (storage exit); stored at VCV since 3/28/20
Tue 1/5 A223 ATL-SLC 8304 N304DU 9961 (ferry to start revenue service) 3rd A223 in-service
Tue 1/5 A223 ATL-SLC 8305 N305DU 9962 (ferry to start revenue service) 4th A223 in-service
Planned:
Wed 1/6 A320 SAL-ATL 3245 N345NW 9936 (maintenance exit); ferried from MSP on 11/3/20
Wed 1/6 MD90 BYH-VCV 9208 N908DA 9937 (ferry between storage locations); stored at BYH since 3/19/20
Wed 1/6 A320 ATL-SAL 3264 N364NW 9960 (ferry to maintenance)
Wed 1/6 B763 MCI-ATL 1606 N16065 9966 (maintenance exit) ferried from storage at MZJ on 12/8/20; rescheduled from Mon
Wed 1/6 B712 ILN-DFW-SBD 9560 N983AT 9962 (ferry between storage locations for storage / retirement)
Wed 1/6 B712 ATL-DFW-SBD 9561 N938AT 9963 (ferry to storage / retirement)
Wed 1/6 B712 ATL-DFW-SBD 9567 N930AT 9964 (ferry to storage / retirement)
Wed 1/6 B712 ATL-DFW-SBD 9568 N932AT 9965 (ferry to storage / retirement)
Thu 1/7 B712 ATL-DFW-SBD 9552 N892AT 9961 (ferry to storage / retirement)
Thu 1/7 B712 ATL-DFW-SBD 9551 N891AT 9962 (ferry to storage / retirement)
Thu 1/7 B712 ATL-DFW-SBD 9555 N895AT 9963 (ferry to storage / retirement)
Cancelled/postponed Tue 1/5 B753 ATL-QRO 5813 N593NW 9936 (ferry to maintenance)
Cancelled/postponed Tue 1/5 B739 VCV-QRO 3835 N835DN 9940 (storage exit to maintenance); stored at VCV since 3/31/20
gdavis003 wrote:PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:In 2019, DL had put a small number of aircraft into temporary storage, primarily to balance and/or defer airframe and engine overhaul costs.
There were ~3 717s, 2 738s, and a sub-set of MD90s that were put into storage after the end of the peak summer schedule.
It wasn't uncommon in years past for DL to temporarily park some aircraft during fall and winter to defer maintenance. You would occasionally see a few 757s or A330s get parked for a few months.
Makes sense, many thanks. Sounds like that temp storage just continued once COVID hit. I haven’t seen N3762Y since March 2020, but at that point, both engines had been removed from the aircraft. Not sure what it’s current status is or when/if it will go back, but that would certainly explain the length of the visit. Guess we’ll have to wait and see. N3764D was the other one, and it went back into service a few months back. Both engines were also removed from that frame at the time as well, IIRC.
Delta350 wrote:N386DA It’s being scrapped and used for parts for the other 738 at BHM
Delta350 wrote:Do you know what’s up with the 1st A223? It’s still at BFM