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Re: Air France KLM News and Discussion Thread - 2021

Sat Oct 30, 2021 12:52 pm

Not surprised by the margin at Transavia. If you have no exposure to the transcontinental market you are good in Europe. AF and KLMs bread and butter is still heavily depressed probably for a long time
 
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Re: Air France KLM News and Discussion Thread - 2021

Sun Oct 31, 2021 8:12 am

factsonly wrote:
AF KLM have announced their Q3 2021 financial results:

Transavia = Profitable:
- Capacity +56%
- Revenues +99%
- Operating result Euro +105 Million
- Operating Margin 20%
- Change +25%


They merge Transavia Holland and Transavia France into one set of results. Being two separate companies with different operating costs, it would be interesting to see how they do individually.
 
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Re: Air France KLM News and Discussion Thread - 2021

Sun Oct 31, 2021 9:04 am

An example of the intensifying cooperation within the AF/KLM Group:

With the arrival of the 5th brand new Embraer E195-E2 (PH-NXE) aircraft from Brasil, KLM Cityhopper is transferring some older regional aircraft to the French HOP unit.

- Embraer E190 PH-EZI a leased aircraft (del. 2009) exited the KLC fleet on October 29th 2021, and has been transferred to Warsaw, where it will be prepared for HOP.
- Embraer E190 PH-EZK also a leased aircraft (del. Dec. 2009) will likely follow soon.

KLM has also reached agreement with its pilots union about the pay scale for the E295 fleet, which will permit the full use of all 132 seats from 2022.
Awaiting an agreement the pilots have been paid according to the E190 pay scale and only a max. of 110 seats have been available for sale.
The pilots will vote to ratify the agreement on November 15th.

Source: KLM / VNV pilots union
 
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Re: Air France KLM News and Discussion Thread - 2021

Sun Oct 31, 2021 9:50 am

factsonly wrote:

- Embraer E190 PH-EZK also a leased aircraft (del. Dec. 2009) will likely follow soon.




- Embraer E190 PH-EZK is being transferred to WAW as we speak (Sunday, October 31st, 2021 - 11.00hrs):

https://www.flightradar24.com/KLM9955/29b28b59
 
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Re: Air France KLM News and Discussion Thread - 2021

Sun Oct 31, 2021 10:52 am

factsonly wrote:
With the arrival of the 5th brand new Embraer E195-E2 (PH-NXE) aircraft from Brasil, KLM Cityhopper is transferring some older regional aircraft to the French HOP unit.

Five B737-700's were WFU before the first five E295 arrived, it looks like these two E190's depart just before the time the next two E295 are planned arrive.
 
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Re: Air France KLM News and Discussion Thread - 2021

Sun Oct 31, 2021 5:55 pm

I was kind of hoping KLM would start service to SEA, along with DL's current flight between SEA and AMS. Afterall, both DL and AF will be flying the SEA-CDG route starting this December.
 
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Re: Air France KLM News and Discussion Thread - 2021

Sun Oct 31, 2021 7:05 pm

FlyingHonu001 wrote:
Opus99 wrote:
airbuster wrote:

Considering:

- Airbus is partially French.
- French and Dutch government secured pandemic loans to AFKL.
- France’s fallout with the US recently.
- EU ambitious climate action plans.
- Unknown post pandemic passenger numbers and desires.
- 737max as last iteration of the 737 series.
- Ben Smith's change to AFKL group centralized fleet planning.
- Airbus this week being vocal about cranking up A220 production and A220-500 design with a 200 seat capacity.

I wouldn’t be surprised at all for the group to order the A220-500 as launch customer.

The only oddball would be the E2 of KLM. Though you could start by replacing the 737s with the A220-500 and later on replace the E190s with -100s.

Okay calm down. This isn’t Airbus fantasy land. This is the usual, you guys always gas yourself up for a blockbuster airbus order even when you know it’s slim and then get upset when Boeing gets the order and then result to boeing gave the order for free and they’re not making any Money on those frames as compensation


The real oddball is that the E2's are under the ownership of the subsidiary Cityhopper. Though part of the KL group, they are an independent operator within the network. Also for one thing, KL has historically always been a loyal customer of Boeing. Its also not very practical to add yet another subtype into their current European medium-haul fleet.


To a point it is similar to what happen with Helvetia who flies E2s to LCY replacing Swiss' old RJs... NO A220s there for the LH Group.
 
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Re: Air France KLM News and Discussion Thread - 2021

Sun Nov 07, 2021 12:02 pm

AF ramping up USA services in W21

Source: https://corporate.airfrance.com/fr/comm ... surera-cet

This winter, Air France will serve 11 destinations in the United States: New York JFK - the company's first international stopover, Boston, Washington DC, Detroit, Atlanta, Chicago, Miami, Houston, Seattle, San Francisco, Los Angeles, with up to to 122 flights per week.

Flight schedule to / from the United States - winter season 2021

From / to Paris-Charles de Gaulle:

Atlanta: 14 weekly flights by Airbus A350-900
Boston: 7 flights per week by Airbus A350-900
Chicago: 5 flights per week by Boeing 777-300
Detroit: 5 flights per week by Boeing 787-9
Washington DC: 7 flights per week by Boeing 777-300
Houston: 5 flights per week by Boeing 777-300
New York JFK: 35 flights per week in Boeing 777 and Boeing 787-9
Los Angeles: 17 flights per week in Boeing 777-200 and -300
Miami: 12 flights per week in Boeing 777 and Airbus A350-900
Seattle: 3 flights per week by Airbus A350-900 from December 6, 2021
San Francisco: 7 flights per week by Boeing 777-300
From / to Pointe-à-Pitre (Guadeloupe):

New York JFK: 2 flights per week on Airbus A320 from November 24, 2021
From / to Papeete (French Polynesia)

Los Angeles: 3 flights per week by Boeing 777-200 from November 11, 2021

 
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Re: Air France KLM News and Discussion Thread - 2021

Sun Nov 07, 2021 2:47 pm

Does Chicago see a lot of cargo demand? I am asking because wouldn't it make more sense to serve it daily with A330 or A350 in stead of 5 weekly with the B773?
 
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Re: Air France KLM News and Discussion Thread - 2021

Fri Nov 12, 2021 8:05 pm

AF A220 from the sky vidéo : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Brxel8NrGAY
 
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Re: Air France KLM News and Discussion Thread - 2021

Fri Nov 19, 2021 3:51 pm

PH-AON (A332) circling the North Sea and over Denmark before being retired from KL fleet and returning to lessor Air lease Corporation
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/airc ... n#29e36c3d
 
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Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:17 pm

 
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Re: Air France KLM News and Discussion Thread - 2021

Fri Nov 26, 2021 4:46 pm

All arriving pax from todays's KL592 (JNB - AMS) and KL598 (CPT - AMS) are being deboarded from a remote stand away from the main terminal. . They are being seperated from the main passenger flow and are currently tested for the coronavirus in connection with the new, presumably more contagious variant discovered in the southern part of Africa.

https://nltimes.nl/2021/11/26/passenger ... k-schiphol
 
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Re: Air France KLM News and Discussion Thread - 2021

Sat Nov 27, 2021 7:19 am

FlyingHonu001 wrote:
All arriving pax from todays's KL592 (JNB - AMS) and KL598 (CPT - AMS) are being deboarded from a remote stand away from the main terminal. . They are being seperated from the main passenger flow and are currently tested for the coronavirus in connection with the new, presumably more contagious variant discovered in the southern part of Africa.

https://nltimes.nl/2021/11/26/passenger ... k-schiphol

And 61 of the total 600 pax were tested positive.
 
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Re: Air France KLM News and Discussion Thread - 2021

Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:35 pm

All inbound KL flights coming from JNB and CPT are now being handled again at the main terminal building. AMS airport authorities are now segregating its arriving pax through dedicated exit flows to prevent potential contamination with other pax after disembarkation and for mandatory testing/quarantine

https://nltimes.nl/2021/11/28/coronavir ... uth-africa
 
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Re: Air France KLM News and Discussion Thread - 2021

Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:39 pm

Eikie wrote:
FlyingHonu001 wrote:
All arriving pax from todays's KL592 (JNB - AMS) and KL598 (CPT - AMS) are being deboarded from a remote stand away from the main terminal. . They are being seperated from the main passenger flow and are currently tested for the coronavirus in connection with the new, presumably more contagious variant discovered in the southern part of Africa.

https://nltimes.nl/2021/11/26/passenger ... k-schiphol

And 61 of the total 600 pax were tested positive.

Of those 61, 13 passengers have the new Corona variant (Omicron).

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-59451103
 
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Re: Air France KLM News and Discussion Thread - 2021

Sun Nov 28, 2021 5:32 pm

Today the sixth E195-E2, registry PH-NXF left Brazil, crossed the Atlantic and was delivered for KLC

SJK - REC https://fr24.com/data/aircraft/ph-nxf#29ffd423

REC - TFS https://fr24.com/data/aircraft/ph-nxf#2a004c4b

TFS - AMS https://fr24.com/data/aircraft/ph-nxf#2a004c4b
 
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Re: Air France KLM News and Discussion Thread - 2021

Sun Nov 28, 2021 6:35 pm

Booked to fly US-CPT via CDG on AF in a few days. It’s interesting that yesterday and today’s AF CDG-JNB/CPT were cancelled, but KL AMS-JNB/CPT are operating as normal.

Given AF/KL is one group/company are the AF cancellations French government mandated? Not sure whether I should be planning to go or if AF is going to cancel my flights?
 
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Re: Air France KLM News and Discussion Thread - 2021

Sun Nov 28, 2021 8:15 pm

clrd4t8koff wrote:
Booked to fly US-CPT via CDG on AF in a few days. It’s interesting that yesterday and today’s AF CDG-JNB/CPT were cancelled, but KL AMS-JNB/CPT are operating as normal.

Given AF/KL is one group/company are the AF cancellations French government mandated? Not sure whether I should be planning to go or if AF is going to cancel my flights?


The French government suspended flights from South Africa until tomorrow I believe. With that, AF is no longer able to do turnarounds, so entire flights on their end will be cancelled. They may resume later this week

KLM for the moment are still flying to both JNB and CPT from AMS
 
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Re: Air France KLM News and Discussion Thread - 2021

Sun Nov 28, 2021 9:04 pm

FlyingHonu001 wrote:
clrd4t8koff wrote:
Booked to fly US-CPT via CDG on AF in a few days. It’s interesting that yesterday and today’s AF CDG-JNB/CPT were cancelled, but KL AMS-JNB/CPT are operating as normal.

Given AF/KL is one group/company are the AF cancellations French government mandated? Not sure whether I should be planning to go or if AF is going to cancel my flights?


The French government suspended flights from South Africa until tomorrow I believe. With that, AF is no longer able to do turnarounds, so entire flights on their end will be cancelled. They may resume later this week

KLM for the moment are still flying to both JNB and CPT from AMS


Strange, given how many pax were found carrying the omicron variant at Schiphol the other day..One would think that the Netherlands would ban flights from certain african countries, in line with other european countries..Why would they risk having more pax with this variant entering the country everyday?
 
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Re: Air France KLM News and Discussion Thread - 2021

Mon Nov 29, 2021 3:52 am

marcogr12 wrote:
FlyingHonu001 wrote:
clrd4t8koff wrote:
Booked to fly US-CPT via CDG on AF in a few days. It’s interesting that yesterday and today’s AF CDG-JNB/CPT were cancelled, but KL AMS-JNB/CPT are operating as normal.

Given AF/KL is one group/company are the AF cancellations French government mandated? Not sure whether I should be planning to go or if AF is going to cancel my flights?


The French government suspended flights from South Africa until tomorrow I believe. With that, AF is no longer able to do turnarounds, so entire flights on their end will be cancelled. They may resume later this week

KLM for the moment are still flying to both JNB and CPT from AMS


Strange, given how many pax were found carrying the omicron variant at Schiphol the other day..One would think that the Netherlands would ban flights from certain african countries, in line with other european countries..Why would they risk having more pax with this variant entering the country everyday?


People originating from countries in southern Africa can't fly to AMS, but Dutch citizens can still travel to/from those countries. That is the reason why KLM didn't suspend flying there.
 
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Re: Air France KLM News and Discussion Thread - 2021

Mon Nov 29, 2021 8:22 am

JeremyB wrote:
marcogr12 wrote:
FlyingHonu001 wrote:

The French government suspended flights from South Africa until tomorrow I believe. With that, AF is no longer able to do turnarounds, so entire flights on their end will be cancelled. They may resume later this week

KLM for the moment are still flying to both JNB and CPT from AMS


Strange, given how many pax were found carrying the omicron variant at Schiphol the other day..One would think that the Netherlands would ban flights from certain african countries, in line with other european countries..Why would they risk having more pax with this variant entering the country everyday?


People originating from countries in southern Africa can't fly to AMS, but Dutch citizens can still travel to/from those countries. That is the reason why KLM didn't suspend flying there.


It also allows EU citizens to have a chance for travelling back home when other countries are currently imposing bans and restrictions.
 
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Re: Air France KLM News and Discussion Thread - 2021

Mon Nov 29, 2021 7:31 pm

I’m hoping someone with a little more knowledge of AF’s policies can help me here. I understand over the past weekend the French government blocked all AF flights to South Africa (JNB & CPT) for 48-hours. Today, I see AF990 (CDG-JNB) is operating, however, tomorrow both AF CDG-JNB & CPT are once again cancelled.

I’m scheduled to fly AF later this week to CPT and need to cancel hotels if I want a full refund by tomorrow and I’m worried AF will continue these rolling cancellations. If I call AF and ask to reschedule my travel due to this new COVID strain in South Africa and their continued flight cancellations will they allow me to change dates for no charge?
 
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Re: Air France KLM News and Discussion Thread - 2021

Tue Nov 30, 2021 8:26 am

Can't you switch to KLM flights ?
 
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Re: Air France KLM News and Discussion Thread - 2021

Tue Nov 30, 2021 9:29 am

JeremyB wrote:
marcogr12 wrote:
FlyingHonu001 wrote:

The French government suspended flights from South Africa until tomorrow I believe. With that, AF is no longer able to do turnarounds, so entire flights on their end will be cancelled. They may resume later this week

KLM for the moment are still flying to both JNB and CPT from AMS


Strange, given how many pax were found carrying the omicron variant at Schiphol the other day..One would think that the Netherlands would ban flights from certain african countries, in line with other european countries..Why would they risk having more pax with this variant entering the country everyday?


People originating from countries in southern Africa can't fly to AMS, but Dutch citizens can still travel to/from those countries. That is the reason why KLM didn't suspend flying there.


And EU citizens.

KLM operates both CPT and JNB as pax flights at the moment and coming 3 days. In the past they have been operated as cargo only flights.
 
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Re: Air France KLM News and Discussion Thread - 2021

Tue Nov 30, 2021 3:10 pm

nicode wrote:
Can't you switch to KLM flights ?


The AF flight I’m on from the US-CDG arrives too late to then connect up to AMS to catch KL’s flights to CPT. Would AF rebook on another carrier like QR to do US-DOH-CPT (which has flights from my station)?
 
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Re: Air France KLM News and Discussion Thread - 2021

Tue Nov 30, 2021 8:54 pm

I was booked on yesterday‘s (29 Nov.) AF flights BER-CDG and CDG-JNB. After seeing that AF 990 (CDG-JNB) had been cancelled the previous days, I was happy to see that online check-in worked for Monday‘s flights - but arriving at the check-in desk to drop my bags I was told that AF 990 was canceled. And that AF will probably only resume flights to South Africa by 01 Dec.

Luckily got rebooked on Lufthansa and actually arrived 2 hours earlier in JNB as when flying AF. Must admit that it was sorted within 2-3 minutes by the AF check-in staff in BER and shortly after had my new itinerary emailed and via app.

On the LH flight were only 80+ pax (747-8) and the crew told me that all return flights back to Germany are almost fully booked for the next couple of days. At the opposite Gate the LH flight to CPT was boarding and it also looked like roughly 100 pax on this flight.
 
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Re: Air France KLM News and Discussion Thread - 2021

Thu Dec 02, 2021 6:15 am

petertenthije wrote:
Eikie wrote:
FlyingHonu001 wrote:
All arriving pax from todays's KL592 (JNB - AMS) and KL598 (CPT - AMS) are being deboarded from a remote stand away from the main terminal. . They are being seperated from the main passenger flow and are currently tested for the coronavirus in connection with the new, presumably more contagious variant discovered in the southern part of Africa.

https://nltimes.nl/2021/11/26/passenger ... k-schiphol

And 61 of the total 600 pax were tested positive.

Of those 61, 13 passengers have the new Corona variant (Omicron).

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-59451103


This article explains the mess with pre-departure testing requirements (and the lack thereof for some passengers) for these flights.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/30/worl ... ravel.html
 
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Re: Air France KLM News and Discussion Thread - 2021

Thu Dec 30, 2021 6:48 am

KL suspending pax flights into PVG due to increased cabin cleaning protocol https://netherlandsnewslive.com/klm-no- ... nt/321000/
 
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Re: Air France KLM News and Discussion Thread - 2021

Thu Dec 30, 2021 12:23 pm

any news if KL/HV will use AKH's on the Neo-fleet?
 
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Re: Air France KLM News and Discussion Thread - 2021

Thu Dec 30, 2021 5:22 pm

Here we go again...Another onboard 'tape' session spotted in the wild... This time by AF flight attendants :expressionless: :covereyes:
https://actu.orange.fr/france/un-vol-ai ... HXBow.html
 
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Re: Air France KLM News and Discussion Thread - 2021

Thu Dec 30, 2021 6:08 pm

Blerg wrote:
Does Chicago see a lot of cargo demand? I am asking because wouldn't it make more sense to serve it daily with A330 or A350 in stead of 5 weekly with the B773?

Yes. ORD is their North America cargo headquarters with a large facility at ORD built back in the late 80s. I think ORD is the only airport they serve in the US with the 777F. They used to serve IAH and JFK also but I’m not sure if AF is sending the dedicated freighters there now.
 
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Re: Air France KLM News and Discussion Thread - 2021

Thu Dec 30, 2021 7:55 pm

Any news on whether AMS-YEG will be increased? How is it performing?
 
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Re: Air France KLM News and Discussion Thread - 2021

Fri Dec 31, 2021 12:05 am

FlyingHonu001 wrote:
Here we go again...Another onboard 'tape' session spotted in the wild... This time by AF flight attendants :expressionless: :covereyes:
https://actu.orange.fr/france/un-vol-ai ... HXBow.html


I'm just wondering, is it standard protocol to tape a passenger to a seat? I know he was unruly but how about in case of emergency evacuation?
 
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Re: Air France KLM News and Discussion Thread - 2021

Fri Dec 31, 2021 8:44 am

ro1960 wrote:
FlyingHonu001 wrote:
Here we go again...Another onboard 'tape' session spotted in the wild... This time by AF flight attendants :expressionless: :covereyes:
https://actu.orange.fr/france/un-vol-ai ... HXBow.html


I'm just wondering, is it standard protocol to tape a passenger to a seat? I know he was unruly but how about in case of emergency evacuation?

It is (probably) not standard, but sometimes there might not be an alternative. If the passenger, even when handcuffed, still poses a threat to other psssengers, crew or even himself, that might be the only viable option.
 
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Re: Air France KLM News and Discussion Thread - 2021

Fri Dec 31, 2021 11:20 am

FlyingHonu001 wrote:
Here we go again...Another onboard 'tape' session spotted in the wild... This time by AF flight attendants :expressionless: :covereyes:
https://actu.orange.fr/france/un-vol-ai ... HXBow.html


Maybe I am missing something, but the video seems to refer to a previous incident in the US? https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/03/busi ... t.amp.html
 
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