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Turkish Aviation January 2021

Thu Dec 31, 2020 3:04 pm

I bet everyone is relieved that 2020 has come to an end. It has been a terrible year for all of us, we can’t wait to put this one behind us. So much pain, so much loss, a collective distress for all of us :(

I wish all of you better days ahead :)




I will start this year’s first thread with few headlines:
-It has been a terrible year for aviation all over the world. Similarly; TK predicted 80M pax for 2020, not sure what the actual number will be but somewhere 50-60% of that I imagine. Hopefully TK can achieve the 80M pax goal in 2022.
-AFAIK, TK as of now, has 10 x 77Ws, 25 x 333s, 52 x 321s, 3 x 320s, 21 x 738s grounded and most of them at IST.
-My wishes for Turkish Aviation for 2021 are; that it would be a safe year for all airlines, TK to start Vancouver and EWR finally, TK MAXs are in the air.
-I predicted last year this time that TK will not be ordering any more Long Haul jets till 2022-2023. Well, maybe push that a few more years. But, when the time comes, it might be for more 787/350 variants, the new 778 or 9, more 777Fs, and smaller single aisle jets??
-I remember flying TK JFK-IST years ago in Y class on a New Years Eve and they served us chocolate cake and 187ml Piper Heidsieck Champagne bottles, besides dinner.
-TK @ SAW has 30% of the airports capacity with 60 dest. (31 Dom.)in 2019. In Dec, TK was still operating 39 routes, going up to 56 by April 2021.
-EU OCT20 traffic, % of OCT 19 numbers: VKO 64.3%, SAW 60.8%, AYT 44.8%, IST 31.4%, CDG 18.3%, FRA 16.6%, MAD 13.4%, BUD 4.3%, KEF 3.5%

Welcome everyone, please continue.

* You can find last month's thread here: Turkish Aviation December 2020
 
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Thu Dec 31, 2020 3:33 pm

Thanks for a new thread.


2020: Most challenging year of aviation history

Aviation sector to try returning to pre-pandemic figures in 2021, says head of Turkish Airlines

The year 2020 has been the most challenging year of the aviation history, the CEO of Turkey's flag carrier Turkish Airlines said on Thursday.

"2020 will be an unforgettable era for a long time to come due to the Covid-19 pandemic, which is already considered the biggest global crisis since World War II," Ilker Ayci said in a statement.

In 2021, the aviation industry, which felt the negative effects deeply, will try to return the pre-2020 figures, he noted.

Ayci said Turkish Airlines was in close contact with international authorities during the pandemic period, and the carrier adapted quickly to the digital transformation by implementing various measures to protect people.

www.aa.com.tr/en/economy/2020-most-chal ... ry/2094875
 
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Thu Dec 31, 2020 3:37 pm

I sincerely hope that thr aviation industry will return to its former level. But tbh, that is just wishful thinking. I was hoping that TK would open job positions in 2021, but I don’t think that will happen. May 2021 be a better year for everyone.
 
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Sat Jan 02, 2021 10:16 am

Am a bit confused now: I did read the TK site again carefully and it says: passengers arriving to Turkey from abroad are required to have taken a PCR test with a negative result within 72 hours prior to their scheduled flight departure as of December 30, 2020 (at midnight) in the country of departure. What does in the country of departure mean here? I will take the PRC test in Milan & then fly to Istanbul from Zurich the day afterwards. You see any issues here?
 
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Sat Jan 02, 2021 10:25 am

fil87 wrote:
Am a bit confused now: I did read the TK site again carefully and it says: passengers arriving to Turkey from abroad are required to have taken a PCR test with a negative result within 72 hours prior to their scheduled flight departure as of December 30, 2020 (at midnight) in the country of departure. What does in the country of departure mean here? I will take the PRC test in Milan & then fly to Istanbul from Zurich the day afterwards. You see any issues here?


You need to check somewhere here in case they do not specify some requirement that test should be taken not less than 48 hours or etc

https://www.bag.admin.ch/bag/en/home/kr ... esten.html

Check list of quarantined countries:

https://www.bag.admin.ch/bag/en/home/kr ... 1163305102

In Germany such rule exists...
 
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Sat Jan 02, 2021 10:39 am

Solidus wrote:
fil87 wrote:
Am a bit confused now: I did read the TK site again carefully and it says: passengers arriving to Turkey from abroad are required to have taken a PCR test with a negative result within 72 hours prior to their scheduled flight departure as of December 30, 2020 (at midnight) in the country of departure. What does in the country of departure mean here? I will take the PRC test in Milan & then fly to Istanbul from Zurich the day afterwards. You see any issues here?


You need to check somewhere here in case they do not specify some requirement that test should be taken not less than 48 hours or etc

https://www.bag.admin.ch/bag/en/home/kr ... esten.html

Check list of quarantined countries:

https://www.bag.admin.ch/bag/en/home/kr ... 1163305102

In Germany such rule exists...


Am a Swiss resident arriving from Milan, so quarantine in Switzerland is not an issue. My question was whether it is a must for me to take the PRC test for Turkey in Switzerland (since am flying out to Turkey from there) even though I will be just ‘transiting’ via Zurich in this case.
 
 
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Sat Jan 02, 2021 10:38 pm

Welcome to 2021.

Hopefully, it turns out to be a happier and healthier year for everyone.

Rumors that some of the legacy THY A330-200 frames might be sold to the Turkish Air Force as tanker aircraft replacing the fleet of 7 KC-135R aircraft. Lets see if this plays out in 2021.

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Sat Jan 02, 2021 11:19 pm

Turkish Airlines to begin daily flights from Manchester to Dalaman and Antalya starting June 19th

TK4011 DLM 0820 MAN 1100
TK4012 MAN 1200 DLM 1825

TK4009 AYT 1050 MAN 1325
TK4010 MAN 1430 AYT 1855

Both flights use B737-800 daily. The Antalya is in addition to the recently announced Sun Express route which will operate 4 weekly.

Flights are in OAG and publicly on skyscanner/ google flights.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation January 2021

Sun Jan 03, 2021 5:23 pm

TC-LJN did not have a good day. After take off from ISL enroute to ALA, she struck birds and returned.

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Re: Turkish Aviation January 2021

Sun Jan 03, 2021 11:16 pm

ACI Europe published its study of European airport traffic connectivity. No surprise with COVID, destination and frequency reductions have greatly reduced connectivity on the continent.

While seeing a 64% decline, IST managed to retain its number 5 spot with 1624 city-pair options in 2020. SAW rose from 17 to number 10 spot in 2020 with 1534 city pair connection options.
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Re: Turkish Aviation January 2021

Tue Jan 05, 2021 5:40 am

If you are looking to purchase a derelict aircraft DHMI has a tender out for the sale of 9 abandoned including pair of MD-82, three A300 and a A310 aircraft at Ataturk Airport.
The auction will take place on January 14.

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Re: Turkish Aviation January 2021

Tue Jan 05, 2021 6:44 am

Thanks so much TK787 for your monthly updates, I find them very interesting. Retired now but I spent a few years visiting Ataturk airport technically supporting the TK Zodiac Aerospace Aura J Class flat beds on 777W and A333. Happy times and was great working with the guys at Turkish Technic. Let's hope 2021 can be a successful one for the airline. Happy New Year !!!!
 
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Tue Jan 05, 2021 7:23 am

LAXintl

Do you have the reg?.
 
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Tue Jan 05, 2021 11:17 am

Flew BRU-ADB on XQ a few days ago, interesting that they are running 3 frequencies on the route just for the Holidays. Only 22 pax on the flight (although I suspect the ADB-BRU portion was quite full).
They checked the Covid test at check-in in BRU and again on the ground in ADB. Landed during curfew, was weird seeing Izmir's street so empty.

Next up is ADB-IST-SFO in 2 weeks, excited to see hot meals back in J.
 
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Tue Jan 05, 2021 12:17 pm

mict wrote:
Flew BRU-ADB on XQ a few days ago, interesting that they are running 3 frequencies on the route just for the Holidays. Only 22 pax on the flight (although I suspect the ADB-BRU portion was quite full).
They checked the Covid test at check-in in BRU and again on the ground in ADB. Landed during curfew, was weird seeing Izmir's street so empty.

Next up is ADB-IST-SFO in 2 weeks, excited to see hot meals back in J.

Great news. Looking forward to your Trip Report from the IST-SFO leg :)
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation January 2021

Tue Jan 05, 2021 12:44 pm

TK adjusting its schedule few times a month; on todays update it looks like they went from 208 destinations down to 201. I am not sure which cities they dropped for the time being.
But looking at their US destinations, I see some increases for January:
-IAD goes from 5 to 6W, JFK from 10 to 13W, LAX from 5 to 7W, MIA from 4 to 5W and SFO from 4 to 6W.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation January 2021

Tue Jan 05, 2021 8:22 pm

Any information on YVR flight? Last I heard it was postponed to January 3rd. Assuming it's not happening.

Thanks,
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Tue Jan 05, 2021 9:10 pm

YYJTurkman wrote:
Any information on YVR flight? Last I heard it was postponed to January 3rd. Assuming it's not happening.

Thanks,
H.

If it happens this year, that would be huge. It all depends on how fast world economies get going again. More than likely, YVR and EWR and others will have to wait till 2022.
 
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Tue Jan 05, 2021 10:54 pm

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LAXintl

Do you have the reg?.


BEA A300s are TC-COA/OIM/OYC.
Saga A310 TC-SGB.
Tarhan Air MD-80 TC-TTA/TTB
CAT Cargo AN-12 TC-KET

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Wed Jan 06, 2021 8:45 am

Sounds like the airport will soon be pretty empty.

I understand from www.planespotters.net that A300 TC-FLM went to the CNR Expo in 2016 to be used as a restaurant.

Does anyone know if it is still there?.

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Thu Jan 07, 2021 12:18 pm

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Rumors that some of the legacy THY A330-200 frames might be sold to the Turkish Air Force as tanker aircraft replacing the fleet of 7 KC-135R aircraft. Lets see if this plays out in 2021.


Above news is a rather interesting one... This first appeared in the following in Turkish aviation website: www.tolgaozbek.com. This is a reliable news provider, for most of the times.

The link is: https://tolgaozbek.com/yazarlar/tolga-ozbek/a330lar-hava-kuvvetlerine-pegasusa-737-max/

I also saw the same headline in the CH-Aviation website but I couldn’t see the full text there as it’s saved for the paid subscribers. I have already sent some comments to Tolkga Özbek’s website but it’s all in Turkish. I will provide the same below, but with some more details. Sorry, but it will be a rather long one!

First, let’s the present day facts:

1) Turkish Air Force (TuAF) currently operates 7 of the KC-135R tankers. These are pretty much the same frames as used by the USAF, underwent some modifications in the past. But they surely are approaching their useful end-of-life and need to be replaced.
2) A second fact is that in future TuAF may be in need of a larger tanker fleet, due to the increased and to-be-achieved overseas operations (such as Libya operations...).
3) As future replacements there can be two candidates: a) Boeing KC-46s currently built for USAF, b) Airbus A330MRTTs currently supplied to some European Air Forces and even others in Middle East and SE Asia & Australia. For example French & Singapore Air Forces have already replaced/in the process of replacing their KC-135Rs with A330MRTTs.
4) Getting hold of KC-46s is a more that distant dream for TuAF. But Turkey may also face some restrictions for factory fresh A330MRTTs due to American components used in these frames.
5) Therefore it is a logical approach that TuAF acquires some second hand TK A332 frames and convert them into tankers.

First let me confirm that A330MRTTs are fully based on Airbus 330-200 (A332) frame (but, not on the 330-300!) and the wings are totally the same (internally, too) with the four engined A343 wings. This second feature easily (and inexpensively) allows the installation for two underwing aerial re-fuelling pods. Therefore the MRTT can simultaneously re-fuel 3 aircraft (2 from these underwing pods and the third via the flying boom, as present in the KC-135Rs/KC-46s). However these underwing pods use the probe and drogue (a hse-like) system for fuelling the slave aircraft which necessiates the presence of a fuel receiving probe on the slave aircraft. The flying boom only attaches on the fuel receptacle of the slave aircraft. Yet, the boom pumps fuel more speedily than the underwing pods. (We may say that in a given certain period of time a MRRT can re-fuel 4 slave aircraft, two via the pods and 2 via the boom provided that the slave aircraft is compatible with both systems. Otherwise underwing pods become useless...)

AFAIK, all TuAF combat aircraft are only equipped to be re-fuelled by the flying boom. Only the A400M Atlas transports also have probes (in addition to boom compatible receptacles) for air-to-air re-fuelling.

So if TuAF plans to convert civilian A332s to A330MRTT, they have to modify these frames to accomodate flying booms. This will be a more costly, more tedious and more time-taking conversion.

So, now let’s take alook at TK’s A332 sub-fleet: There are 13 frames...

5 of these frames (namely TC-JNA/B/C/D/E) are wholly owned by TK; their financial lease periods have already matured. They are true ER frames (having crew rest areas, etc.), they have ETOPs certification for cross-Atlantic ops and they have been long time workhorses on TK services for long and thin routes like Osaka, Cuba, Caracas, Bogota, Panama, City, Jakarta, etc. These were purchased as factory fresh frames: as of date oldest is 15.3yo, youngest 14.5yo. They are -203 versions, which indicate they use GE-CF6-80E1A3 powerplants.

The other 8 frames are known as ex-TAM airliners. They were purchased by Brasilian TAM but for some reason that I don’t know of, they didn’t remain in TAM service for a reasonable long time. They started flying for TK, gradually, since mid-2014s. They are not true ER aircraft and possibly don’t have ETOPS (they never crossed Atlantic during TAM era...). These are TC-JIO/P/R/S/T/Z and TC-LOH (ex-TC-JIV) and TC-LOI (ex-TC-JIY). The last two were sub-leased to Nordwind Airlines for a year and therefore changed registration. All 8 are on operational lease from AerCap & Aviator Capital. TK utilised them for some higher density European routes (inc. Russia), as well as some Middle East (e.g. Tehran/Iran) and African (as far South as Lagos/Nigeria), Pakistani routes. As of date, the oldest of these frames is 13.2yo, the youngest 9 yo. But, but these are –all 223 versions which indicate that they use PW 4168A powerplants.

Now I’m pretty sure that in these days (even disregarding the adverse affects of Covid-19 pandemic) TK will be quite willing to dispose their 5 frames as they are already and sufficiently replaced by Boeing 789 Dreamliners. The lessors for the other 8 ex-TAM frames, will be more than happy to get rid of them, especially nowadays bcz. they well know that neither TK nor any other airline will want to lease them even for the post-pandemic era. They are no longer, economically feasible to fly (as civil passenger airliners).

However, there is a catch: Toga Özbek’s news indicate a possble purchase of 9 frames to be converted to MRTTs for TuAF. So whatever combination you make, you end up with a fleet of 9 planes with two different powerplants. Will TuAF be willing to take this kind of mixup?

One alternative may be that TuAF purchases all 8 ex-TAM fleet plus the youngest of TK’s 5 and replace the engines of that TK one with PW engines... And good old TK tries to get rid of the other 4 planes (can a sale to Iran be “arranged”?), in some way...

One other alternative may be that TuAF purchases all 13 planes, in “as is” condition (i.e. with the present powerplant mixup) and they convert say 10 of these to tankers and keep the other 3 in “military transport” status.

It goes without saying that I have absolutely no information about the flight hours as well as the cycles accumulated by these 13 frames. That will also be an important chapter/consideration in TuAF’s decision. The ex-TAM frames are younger but they have flown shorter routes and their elder ones may have accumulated higher (or nearly equal) cycles versus the TK ones.

Let’s see what 2021 may bring us on this prospective deal. :airplane: :?: :stirthepot:
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Thu Jan 07, 2021 12:26 pm

How easy would it be to fit probes to existing aircraft.

Presumably much of the plumbing is already in place.
 
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Thu Jan 07, 2021 12:33 pm

bennett123 wrote:
How easy would it be to fit probes to existing aircraft.

Presumably much of the plumbing is already in place.


I am not technically aware on this issue. Some combat aircraft (e.g. French Rafale) come factory fresh with a probe. I believe that these also have a receptacle in the fuselage (usually at a point at the top of the fuselage, behind the cockpit...). But all F-4s & F-16s that form TuAF's backbone of combat fleet are not equipped with fuelling probes and I doubt if they may ever have one... I may be mistaken but I also didn't see any F-16s with any air force having these protruding fuelling probes.
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Thu Jan 07, 2021 12:58 pm

I think the pressure on the Turkish Government was too high - now transit passengers are exempted from a PCR-test:
Transit passengers are not required to submit a PCR test in Turkey however they are advised to review the flight restrictions applied by the destination country regarding the PCR test requirements, age limits and the duration.
https://www.turkishairlines.com/en-us/


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BEA A300s are TC-COA/OIM/OYC.
Saga A310 TC-SGB.
Tarhan Air MD-80 TC-TTA/TTB
CAT Cargo AN-12 TC-KET

plus 2 GA aircraft


Full list and prices:

Antonow An-12B (CAT Cargo, TC-KET, MSN: 402808, 28.237 USD)
Airbus A310-300 (Saga Airlines, TC-SGB, MSN: 562, 67.230 USD)
Cessna 172 (Mestaş Elektronik Ve Turizm, TC-MHK, 4.033 USD)
Airbus A300-B4 (Bosphorus European Airways, TC-OYC, MSN: 79, 73.954 USD)
Airbus A300-B4 (Bosphorus European Airways, TC-COA, MSN: 128, 73.954 USD)
Airbus A300-B4 (Bosphorus European Airways, TC-OIM, MSN: 94, 73.954 USD)
McDonnell Douglas MD-82 (Tarhan Air, TC-TTB, MSN: 49144, 53.784 USD)
McDonnell Douglas MD-82 (Tarhan Air, TC-TTA, MSN: 48096, 53.784 USD)
Piper PA-23-250 (Duha Aviation, TC-CHY, MSN: 27-7654130, 10.757 USD)

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Thu Jan 07, 2021 2:17 pm

Is a Rufpreis the same as a reserve price?.
 
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Thu Jan 07, 2021 2:36 pm

mafaky wrote:
One other alternative may be that TuAF purchases all 13 planes, in “as is” condition (i.e. with the present powerplant mixup) and they convert say 10 of these to tankers and keep the other 3 in “military transport” status.

It goes without saying that I have absolutely no information about the flight hours as well as the cycles accumulated by these 13 frames. That will also be an important chapter/consideration in TuAF’s decision. The ex-TAM frames are younger but they have flown shorter routes and their elder ones may have accumulated higher (or nearly equal) cycles versus the TK ones.

Thanks for the quality analysis and happy new year to all.

I think TuAF may consider to buy all 13 frames as is and deliver them to TAI and/or Turkish Technic for a complete change. I assume that, as they are not civil aircraft any more, TuAF will not seek a complete certification of the updated frames. I expect TuAF to add additional fuel tanks that can accommodate fuel capacity up to MTOW limit. Also for TAI this will add a good technological experience. Also note that TAI will be responsible for development and production of new workhorse military transport aircraft for TuAF which I expect it to be announced in the coming years.

debonair wrote:
Cessna 172 (Mestaş Elektronik Ve Turizm, TC-MHK, 4.033 USD)

This looks very cheap. What is the condition?
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Thu Jan 07, 2021 7:09 pm

I expect TuAF to add additional fuel tanks that can accommodate fuel capacity up to MTOW limit.


I'm not very sure about that. That is, I don't anticipate that say the 60-70% of the volume of the fuselage of a tanker aircraft (again, say a 330MRTT) will accomodate only fuel tanks.

MRTT is the abbreviation for "multi role tanker transport", and some volume of that fuselage will de dedicated for pax and/or cargo (if needed). There are two reasons: 1) If you build a tanker aircraft carrying that much of fuel, that plane may blow out extremely loud if something goes wrong or if it comes under attack. 2) The tanker aircraft has its own specs for its inevitably limited range (assuming it doesn't consume from the fuel load it's carrying for re-fuelling other combat birds...) and it is not expected/planned that it will be re-fuelling several dozens of those birds, on any particular mission. These combat birds actually do not (cannot) carry a huge lot of fuel compared to what the tanker will carry. So for practical reasons, the tanker aircraft doesn't need to be an "all-exclusive tanker" aircraft. I'll try to get more realistic figures, if I can.
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Thu Jan 07, 2021 7:55 pm

The MRTT uses the existing fuel capacity of the A330.

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The MRTT fuel tank capacity is 111,000kgs vs 92,000 on KC-135R

The MRTT allows for carriage of approx ~45,000kgs of additional payload (cargo, passenger etc) beyond its refueling capacity.
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Thu Jan 07, 2021 8:12 pm

https://www.ole-nikolajsen.com/TURKISH% ... %20TC-.pdf

This shows TC-MHK as a C152 registered in 1994.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cessna_152

Apparently C152's were built 1977 to 1985. making it 36+ years old.

Given the price, it could need some TLC.

Equally, an A300 for $74K is unlikely to be a flyer.
 
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Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:51 pm

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Is a Rufpreis the same as a reserve price?.


I would translate it to starting price, the minimum bid the auction starts...
 
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Fri Jan 08, 2021 4:38 pm

Some friends were in NYC from Istanbul for couple of nights. They had done PCR tests in Istanbul before their flight. They arrived in NYC and were only able to get "Rapid Tests" in the city for their return flight. I just got the news that TK did not accept their NYC based Rapid tests nor the 3 day old Istanbul based PCR tests.
At JFK, TK set up a tent and TK offered them PCR tests with 30 min. results to be able to board the plane. Cost is incredible; $400 per person. I am not even sure if this is a TK operation, NY city/state operation.
This is the first I hear this, anyone else can confirm?? Thank you.
 
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Fri Jan 08, 2021 9:07 pm

There is a medical vendor in T-1 that offers PCR testing. Normal results turn around is 24-hours, but yes they also offer immediate service, but you must pay a big premium $$$

https://adamshealthservices.com/
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Sat Jan 09, 2021 1:48 am

Airbus formally removed the three outstanding A330F orders from MNG. These had been on the books for ages, without MNG following through.

Also appears TK reduced its A350 order by 2 aircraft. Thi s must be part of the "adjustments" Airbus and TK reached a few months ago.

https://www.flightglobal.com/air-transp ... 87.article
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Sat Jan 09, 2021 4:24 am

TK787 wrote:
Some friends were in NYC from Istanbul for couple of nights. They had done PCR tests in Istanbul before their flight. They arrived in NYC and were only able to get "Rapid Tests" in the city for their return flight. I just got the news that TK did not accept their NYC based Rapid tests nor the 3 day old Istanbul based PCR tests.
At JFK, TK set up a tent and TK offered them PCR tests with 30 min. results to be able to board the plane. Cost is incredible; $400 per person. I am not even sure if this is a TK operation, NY city/state operation.
This is the first I hear this, anyone else can confirm?? Thank you.



Everything health-wise in America is ridiculously priced. The PCR tests at IST airport are great and only cost 250 (TRY, not USD!), i.e. $34
 
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Sun Jan 10, 2021 1:45 am

On the 20th anniversary of the opening of SAW, its owner HEAŞ revealed a new logo.

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Amazing to see how SAW has changed in 20 years. I recall well my first few visits there with the management teams when just about the only operator at the airport was EasyJet and a few random Russian cargo flights.

They also have a video(in Turkish) highlighting the last 20-years and detailing the expansion projects the airport has experienced.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLCmcYdVRy4
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Re: Turkish Aviation January 2021

Fri Jan 15, 2021 5:55 am

CAAC suspended TK IST-CAN route for 14-days as it imported COVID passengers.
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Re: Turkish Aviation January 2021

Fri Jan 15, 2021 6:46 am

calstanford wrote:
TK787 wrote:
Some friends were in NYC from Istanbul for couple of nights. They had done PCR tests in Istanbul before their flight. They arrived in NYC and were only able to get "Rapid Tests" in the city for their return flight. I just got the news that TK did not accept their NYC based Rapid tests nor the 3 day old Istanbul based PCR tests.
At JFK, TK set up a tent and TK offered them PCR tests with 30 min. results to be able to board the plane. Cost is incredible; $400 per person. I am not even sure if this is a TK operation, NY city/state operation.
This is the first I hear this, anyone else can confirm?? Thank you.



Everything health-wise in America is ridiculously priced. The PCR tests at IST airport are great and only cost 250 (TRY, not USD!), i.e. $34


Rapid Covid tests are $0 in Miami and many other places. Companies set those up and charge for the convenience. Also, since American health insurance plans will cover it, they can charge whatever they want and get away with it.
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Re: Turkish Aviation January 2021

Fri Jan 15, 2021 11:38 am

Are you saying that they are free?.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation January 2021

Mon Jan 18, 2021 6:00 pm

I just read that Eurowings is going to hire 120 flight attendants. Does anyone have inside info if Turkish Airlines is going to have open vacancies for Flight Attendant this year?
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation January 2021

Tue Jan 19, 2021 1:58 pm

Quick trip report on my ADB-IST-SFO journey.

The beginning of my trip in ADB was a little stressful as our flight was delayed 1+ hour, leaving me with a sub 1hr connection in IST.
A flight from Adana to SAW diverted to ADB due to bad weather conditions in SAW (snow) and we had to wait to get the passengers of that flight on ours (they would then be shuttled to SAW, long day for those pax...)
Catering on the short domestic hop still consists of a small cup of water. A330 was fairly full.

Was happy to land in IST on the runway closest to the domestic gates only to then taxi and park at the other side of the airport at the A Gates, followed by a long bus ride :banghead:
But IST wasn't too busy and made it from the bus to my next gate (D9) in ~20 minutes. Most people had already boarded at that point. The flight was delayed ~45 minutes as they were holding the flight for 4 pax connecting from a late arrival from KIV.

B789 taking us to SFO was nearly full in both cabins. From my experience and what I am hearing from friends, TK is doing relatively well on their US routes at the moment.
Was happy to see hot meals back of the menu, which read as follow: https://imgur.com/4leMAr7
Drinks menu remains simplified.
I went with the lamb chops on the first meal (served promptly after takeoff) and the Karniyarik on the second one (served about 2 hours before landing).
Crew was polite and efficient. They were roaming the cabin frequently and the bathrooms were kept clean thorough the flight.
Only complaint was that the cabin was very hot, but that seems to be the norm with TK..
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation January 2021

Tue Jan 19, 2021 3:41 pm

mict wrote:
Quick trip report on my ADB-IST-SFO journey.


Thanks for the TR.
So; you were on a A330 from ADB-IST, landed on 3rd runway and taxied to A gates, bussed to D9 :(
I guess, we all knew that 3rd runway is only going to fix some of the problems, like Domestic Departures.
It is going to get even more complicated when travel goes back to normal, even worse when more runways/terminal opens with all the criss crossing.
I wonder if there is a real solution for a jet arriving from a domestic route and departing to an international destination?

I am glad that the menu is somewhat back to normal. I understand that even when the menu is back to normal, there are no longer Flying Chefs nor the appetizer/dessert tray service at the aisles. Everything comes in covered boxes.

You said something about the drinks options? Less choice, less frequency, no Turkish coffee?? Could you give some details please.
Thank you.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation January 2021

Tue Jan 19, 2021 4:20 pm

mict wrote:
Quick trip report on my ADB-IST-SFO journey.

The beginning of my trip in ADB was a little stressful as our flight was delayed 1+ hour, leaving me with a sub 1hr connection in IST.
A flight from Adana to SAW diverted to ADB due to bad weather conditions in SAW (snow) and we had to wait to get the passengers of that flight on ours (they would then be shuttled to SAW, long day for those pax...)
Catering on the short domestic hop still consists of a small cup of water. A330 was fairly full.

Was happy to land in IST on the runway closest to the domestic gates only to then taxi and park at the other side of the airport at the A Gates, followed by a long bus ride :banghead:
But IST wasn't too busy and made it from the bus to my next gate (D9) in ~20 minutes. Most people had already boarded at that point. The flight was delayed ~45 minutes as they were holding the flight for 4 pax connecting from a late arrival from KIV.

B789 taking us to SFO was nearly full in both cabins. From my experience and what I am hearing from friends, TK is doing relatively well on their US routes at the moment.
Was happy to see hot meals back of the menu, which read as follow: https://imgur.com/4leMAr7
Drinks menu remains simplified.
I went with the lamb chops on the first meal (served promptly after takeoff) and the Karniyarik on the second one (served about 2 hours before landing).
Crew was polite and efficient. They were roaming the cabin frequently and the bathrooms were kept clean thorough the flight.
Only complaint was that the cabin was very hot, but that seems to be the norm with TK..


Good feedback and great the hot meals are back. Certainly seems a step closer to normality.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation January 2021

Tue Jan 19, 2021 6:19 pm

TK787 wrote:

You said something about the drinks options? Less choice, less frequency, no Turkish coffee?? Could you give some details please.


You can see the drink selection on the menu picture I posted above.
Turkish coffee and other hot drinks are available and the crew frequently offered drinks during the flight.
The alcoholic drink section was cut significantly: no spirits, no champagne, wine comes in small bottles (like in Y) and are served in plastic glasses.

So you would only be disappointed if you were planning on having a boozy flight :champagne:
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation January 2021

Tue Jan 19, 2021 7:18 pm

mict wrote:

So you would only be disappointed if you were planning on having a boozy flight :champagne:

Yep, that would be me :)
Thanks for that info.

P.S. On a IST-JFK flight, the FA asks me just before landing at JFK:
"Would you like more champagne?",
I reply: " Why not, let's finish that bottle."
He says: "Mmmm, that would be the second bottle" :)
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation January 2021

Tue Jan 19, 2021 7:18 pm

There is absolutely no excuse for reducing drinks service 'due to covid'. Same goes for food. Just another excuse not to get what you pay for.
I seriously think I just creamed my pants without any influence from any outside variables.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation January 2021

Wed Jan 20, 2021 4:51 pm

TK787 wrote:
mict wrote:
Quick trip report on my ADB-IST-SFO journey.


Thanks for the TR.
So; you were on a A330 from ADB-IST, landed on 3rd runway and taxied to A gates, bussed to D9 :(
I guess, we all knew that 3rd runway is only going to fix some of the problems, like Domestic Departures.
It is going to get even more complicated when travel goes back to normal, even worse when more runways/terminal opens with all the criss crossing.
I wonder if there is a real solution for a jet arriving from a domestic route and departing to an international destination?

Thank you.


I think the Germans have the answer to that, as they built 4 level terminals at FRA, MUC and now BER where two levels are for Schengen (which could've been domestic only for IST) and two levels for extra-Schengen. I know it's too late for IST to be rebuilt obviously but using the immense space they can convert at least some of the gates to dual use, especially around F pier.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation January 2021

Wed Jan 20, 2021 7:10 pm

A smaller terminal with multiple satellite buildings spread between the different runways and connected with underground rail would have solved that issue and keep walking distance manageable.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation January 2021

Thu Jan 21, 2021 3:30 am

3rd TK 350; TC-LGC, customer acceptance flight??
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation January 2021

Thu Jan 21, 2021 5:11 am

Has Turkey revised covid restrictions? How is it now for tourism and have they begun the vaccinating process?

Serbia started mass vaccination after a million Chinese vaccines were delivered the other day. Hopefully this means BEG-IST recovery is on the horizon, there were up to 4 daily flights, even with bilateral restrictions, before covid.

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