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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2021

Wed Sep 22, 2021 11:33 am

VS4ever wrote:
adamh8297 wrote:
DL has loaded a resumption of the following:

BOS-LIS 5 weekly 767 5/27/2022 until 7/1/2022 when it goes daily for rest of season.
BOS-EDI 5 weekly 767 7/1/2022 until 7/28/2022 when it goes daily for rest of season

BOS-FCO also resumes 5/1/2022 5 weekly A330 until 6/1/2022 where it goes daily


Nice to see these back on the list, interesting that both LIS and EDI are 767’s not 757’s as they used to be.

Now the curious one will be to see if LGW appears again

Is DUB also loaded at this point?



DUB (daily 767) resumes 3/26/2022 and CDG (daily A330) resumes 3/12/2022. LGW/MAN are not loaded.

EI has not loaded BOS-MAN yet either
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2021

Wed Sep 22, 2021 6:54 pm

a lot of seats to fill there…
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2021

Wed Sep 22, 2021 11:49 pm

by738 wrote:
a lot of seats to fill there…


a lot of pent up demand too - look at Caribbean numbers 2019 vs 2021 from Logan.


The case counts in Massachusetts could be on the decline - we will know more as last weeks cases come in.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2021

Thu Sep 23, 2021 5:39 pm

ex 757 LIS and EDI now on 767 will be different I suspect to US- Caribbean in terms of loading for S22.. we shall see.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2021

Fri Sep 24, 2021 8:20 am

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BOS-FCO also resumes 5/1/2022 5 weekly A330 until 6/1/2022 where it goes daily

Has an end date been posted for BOS-FCO in 2022?
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2021

Fri Sep 24, 2021 10:31 am

Logan August-2021 numbers are out.

August 2021 total pax: 2,587,063 (August 2020: 701,627) -> MTM: 268.7%
YTD total pax: 12,991,858 (YTD 2020: 9,642,307) -> YTD: 34.7%

Detailed stats:

Aug-21 Aug-20 % change
Domestic Charter 460 562 -18.1%
Domestic Commuter 255,586 28,837 786.3%
Domestic Jet 1,970,820 593,491 232.1%
Total Domestic 2,226,866 622,890 257.5%
Bermuda/Bahamas/Caribbean 114,947 33,416 244.0%
Canada 23,181 3,294 603.7%
Central America 10,440 - #DIV/0!
Europe 154,450 27,127 469.4%
Middle East 36,900 8,172 351.5%
South America - - #DIV/0!
Trans-Pacific 10,459 1,690 518.9%
Australia - -
North Africa - - #DIV/0!
Other International - -
Total International 350,377 73,699 375.4%
General Aviation 9,820 5,038 94.9%
Total airport passengers 2,587,063 701,627 268.7%

Historical detailed stats:

Month Year Total Pax International pax Year Total Pax International pax Year Total Pax International pax Year Total Pax International pax Year Total Pax International pax
Jan 2017 2,603,998 494,741 2018 2,576,261 468,439 2019 2,710,036 521,356 2020 2,940,985 579,541 2021 740,247 106,827
Feb 2017 2,369,960 411,816 2018 2,605,207 422,707 2019 2,716,724 460,049 2020 2,890,513 487,442 2021 731,029 76,748
Mar 2017 3,076,023 540,036 2018 3,197,326 578,154 2019 3,457,362 631,858 2020 1,634,101 274,615 2021 1,070,171 115,832
Apr 2017 3,271,833 620,923 2018 3,508,607 613,000 2019 3,647,276 707,159 2020 95,352 5,843 2021 1,427,287 142,054
May 2017 3,466,805 659,326 2018 3,705,129 672,304 2019 3,879,343 775,024 2020 203,328 6,216 2021 1,744,185 144,375
Jun 2017 3,552,952 710,313 2018 3,843,131 742,437 2019 3,946,406 847,877 2020 438,266 18,647 2021 2,121,185 206,547
Jul 2017 3,683,573 764,325 2018 3,999,933 798,900 2019 4,072,082 891,642 2020 738,135 72,351 2021 2,570,680 304,010
Aug 2017 3,757,903 772,812 2018 4,044,126 821,417 2019 4,120,937 898,759 2020 701,627 73,699 2021 2,587,063 350,377
Sep 2017 3,178,011 640,539 2018 3,393,644 697,082 2019 3,547,546 724,791 2020 633,357 65,793 2021
Oct 2017 3,431,263 581,481 2018 3,677,923 651,839 2019 3,771,212 686,063 2020 781,755 69,357 2021
Nov 2017 3,089,200 483,354 2018 3,296,694 539,610 2019 3,264,105 552,066 2020 755,877 72,352 2021
Dec 2017 2,930,898 483,354 2018 3,093,944 577,998 2019 3,389,382 621,349 2020 801,430 112,436 2021
38,412,419 7,163,020 40,941,925 7,583,887 42,522,411 8,317,993 12,618,128 1,838,292 12,991,858 1,446,770
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2021

Fri Sep 24, 2021 6:21 pm

rove312 wrote:
adamh8297 wrote:

BOS-FCO also resumes 5/1/2022 5 weekly A330 until 6/1/2022 where it goes daily

Has an end date been posted for BOS-FCO in 2022?


No US Legacy carriers tend to only allow booking 11 months ahead.

Last BOS-FCO flight is 10/28 for this year so my guess if things improve that would be the earliest DL stops it in 2022.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2021

Sat Sep 25, 2021 12:31 am

UA 777 flying from DFW to BOS tonight. No idea why. Flight 2541.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2021

Sat Sep 25, 2021 1:29 am

RE: UA #2541--sports charter, perhaps?
 
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Sat Sep 25, 2021 2:33 am

According to jettip.net, that's the Saints flight for their game with the Patriots this weekend. Saints must still be in Dallas due to Ida issues in New Orleans. https://jettip.net/blog/nfl-2021-week-t ... er-flights
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Sep 28, 2021 3:52 pm

F9 appears to be launching BOS-CUN, starts daily December 16. Wonder if NK will follow, for a while they were adding everything F9 added out of BOS
 
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Wed Sep 29, 2021 12:55 am

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F9 appears to be launching BOS-CUN, starts daily December 16. Wonder if NK will follow, for a while they were adding everything F9 added out of BOS


I am actually shocked NK has not tried it yet.

Press release is here for BOS and 5 additional CUN routes. https://news.flyfrontier.com/frontier-a ... is-winter/
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2021

Wed Sep 29, 2021 2:12 am

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UA 777 flying from DFW to BOS tonight. No idea why. Flight 2541.


As mentioned, it flew the Saints (who had been practicing at TCU) up for the game. Not sure if it was the same plane, but a UA 772 flew from Boston to Providence on Sunday (they left out of PVD) at pretty low altitude down 95. I was sitting on my deck and did a double take when I heard and then saw it flying so low.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2021

Wed Sep 29, 2021 2:37 am

adamh8297 wrote:
DL has loaded a resumption of the following:

BOS-LIS 5 weekly 767 5/27/2022 until 7/1/2022 when it goes daily for rest of season.
BOS-EDI 5 weekly 767 7/1/2022 until 7/28/2022 when it goes daily for rest of season

BOS-FCO also resumes 5/1/2022 5 weekly A330 until 6/1/2022 where it goes daily


Both LIS and EDI will get the refurbished 763ERs it appears (ie the ones with the new Premium Select cabin). Interesting that these are the first two routes DL has committed to using the refurbished 763s; not even JFK-LIS/EDI have gotten that yet for next summer, though DL should have enough of the refurbished birds by then for some additional TATL routes…
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2021

Wed Sep 29, 2021 1:12 pm

Does anyone see DL starting PDL from BOS?
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2021

Thu Sep 30, 2021 12:54 am

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Does anyone see DL starting PDL from BOS?


Not really though they could do it with narrow body.
I just do not think they want to compete with the subsidized incumbent S4.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2021

Thu Sep 30, 2021 1:17 am

panamair wrote:
adamh8297 wrote:
DL has loaded a resumption of the following:

BOS-LIS 5 weekly 767 5/27/2022 until 7/1/2022 when it goes daily for rest of season.
BOS-EDI 5 weekly 767 7/1/2022 until 7/28/2022 when it goes daily for rest of season

BOS-FCO also resumes 5/1/2022 5 weekly A330 until 6/1/2022 where it goes daily


Both LIS and EDI will get the refurbished 763ERs it appears (ie the ones with the new Premium Select cabin). Interesting that these are the first two routes DL has committed to using the refurbished 763s; not even JFK-LIS/EDI have gotten that yet for next summer, though DL should have enough of the refurbished birds by then for some additional TATL routes…


Can we expect Delta launching flights to BCN for S22?
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2021

Thu Sep 30, 2021 12:54 pm

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jvlmd81 wrote:
Does anyone see DL starting PDL from BOS?


Not really though they could do it with narrow body.
I just do not think they want to compete with the subsidized incumbent S4.

Why not? I would understand it if S4 was a half decent airline with cheap fares, you know like Norwegian or Icelandair. But S4 is a terrible airline to fly with and their fares aren't cheap. It's a shame that the only way to get to such a beautiful place is onboard one of the worst airlines operating across the Atlantic. DL would have no problem filling one of its NB planes from BOS or JFK.
 
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Fri Oct 01, 2021 10:50 am

Regarding PDL - possibly if they have the spare aircraft. Would it need to be a 757? Or could a 739ER or any of their 321s reach?

Regarding BCN - AirEuropa flew this 3-4 years back on a 3 or 4x weekly schedule. Have they exited SkyTeam yet? I think it will be a long, thin route for Delta, could be tough to make profitable.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2021

Fri Oct 01, 2021 11:53 am

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Regarding BCN - AirEuropa flew this 3-4 years back on a 3 or 4x weekly schedule. Have they exited SkyTeam yet? I think it will be a long, thin route for Delta, could be tough to make profitable.


Pretty sure AirEuropa just did Madrid while they were here. It was Level that operated BCN. On a side note, are they slated to return on this?
 
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Fri Oct 01, 2021 2:25 pm

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Regarding PDL - possibly if they have the spare aircraft. Would it need to be a 757? Or could a 739ER or any of their 321s reach?

It's a shorter route than BOS-LAX or LAX-HNL where DL flies a 753 of all things. I would think that anything from A319/738 to A321/757 as long as it's ETOPS, can do it.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2021

Fri Oct 01, 2021 3:30 pm

airbazar wrote:
tlecam wrote:
Regarding PDL - possibly if they have the spare aircraft. Would it need to be a 757? Or could a 739ER or any of their 321s reach?

It's a shorter route than BOS-LAX or LAX-HNL where DL flies a 753 of all things. I would think that anything from A319/738 to A321/757 as long as it's ETOPS, can do it.


I thought pre pandemic that S4 was flying 321neos on the route so that supports your argument.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2021

Sat Oct 02, 2021 6:15 pm

Looks like DL is giving us TLV and ATH next summer. That too on an A330neo!

https://thepointsguy.com/news/delta-bos ... s-ath-tlv/

And there's also 3 domestic routes! SAN, BWI, and DEN.

AA/B6, your move....
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2021

Sat Oct 02, 2021 7:59 pm

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Looks like DL is giving us TLV and ATH next summer. That too on an A330neo!

https://thepointsguy.com/news/delta-bos ... s-ath-tlv/

And there's also 3 domestic routes! SAN, BWI, and DEN.

AA/B6, your move....

Wow! This is serious IMHO expansions. Not the typical Europe destinations but a true long-haul like TLV!

Pretty certain, AA/B6 will add something new.

Let's hope for India someday!
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2021

Sat Oct 02, 2021 9:21 pm

DL adding BOS-PHX nonstop service is a possibility with PHX being one of the top remaining destinations traveled to from BOS that DL doesn't currently serve nonstop from BOS.

I had also previously mentioned the possibility of WN re-adding BOS-PHX nonstop service due to
(a) the significant FF base WN has in Greater Phoenix, the Las Vegas Valley, and Southern California to support the return of WN BOS-PHX nonstop service,
(b) the connecting opportunities that would be available to Vegas and Southern California through PHX on WN, and
(c) WN having average load factors of over 90% on the BOS-PHX route 10 years ago, whereas WN had lower average load factors on the BOS-ATL/CMH/IND/MCI/MKE routes in 2018 and 2019.
 
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Sat Oct 02, 2021 10:01 pm

Next year DL will have the following TATL from BOS:
LHR
DUB
EDI
CDG
AMS
LIS
FCO
ATH
TLV
*Wild card - KEF

Even without KEF how will DL find room at terminal A when all of those flights are either 76W/764 or A330’s?
 
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Sat Oct 02, 2021 10:14 pm

This is a peak day in July so far, not counting TLV and ATH. How is this going to work, they have 4 330s going out in a span of about 3 hours. Wouldn't be surprised if TLV ends up with an 11pm departure, while Athens seems like JFK has been doing a 510pm and a 730pm departure. Honestly, I could see them either putting Athens BEFORE the first AMS (so around 330pm which would get in around 8am or after the 7pm CDG/AMS departures.).

BOS-AMS (Up to 2x. Daily)
452pm - 550am +1 333
652pm - 815am +1 333

BOS-CDG (Up to 2x. Daily)
705pm - 815am +1 333
1140pm - 1240pm +1 333

BOS-DUB (1x. Daily)
945pm - 815am +1 76Z - No PS

BOS-EDI (Up to 1x. Daily)
930pm - 850am +1 76K - w/ PS

BOS-FCO (1x. Daily)
520pm - 730am +1 333 - No PS

BOS-LIS (Up to 1x. Daily)
11:25pm - 1050am +1 76K w/ PS

BOS-LHR (1x. Daily)
730pm - 710am+1 764
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2021

Sat Oct 02, 2021 10:16 pm

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Looks like DL is giving us TLV and ATH next summer. That too on an A330neo!

https://thepointsguy.com/news/delta-bos ... s-ath-tlv/

And there's also 3 domestic routes! SAN, BWI, and DEN.

AA/B6, your move....

I'm not sure there is a move for them to make. What could they possibly add? More BOS-SLC or BOS-SEA? AA resuming BOS-CDG?
India would be huge but is AA really in a position to start BOS-India?
TLV and ATH were talked about on this forum before the pandemic. IIRC, ATH is big but only in the Summer and by all accounts ElAl was doing well on the TLV route. What is surprising to me is that no one dares to go against "LH" and either of its 3 routes. The fares on BOS-MUC alone must be the highest of all TATL markets.

clrd4t8koff wrote:
Even without KEF how will DL find room at terminal A when all of those flights are either 76W/764 or A330’s?

The big secret before the Pandemic was that DL was going to move its international operations to Terminal E.
When is the new expansion supposed to be ready?
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2021

Sat Oct 02, 2021 10:23 pm

jspams20 wrote:
This is a peak day in July so far, not counting TLV and ATH. How is this going to work, they have 4 330s going out in a span of about 3 hours. Wouldn't be surprised if TLV ends up with an 11pm departure, while Athens seems like JFK has been doing a 510pm and a 730pm departure. Honestly, I could see them either putting Athens BEFORE the first AMS (so around 330pm which would get in around 8am or after the 7pm CDG/AMS departures.).

BOS-AMS (Up to 2x. Daily)
452pm - 550am +1 333
652pm - 815am +1 333

BOS-CDG (Up to 2x. Daily)
705pm - 815am +1 333
1140pm - 1240pm +1 333

BOS-DUB (1x. Daily)
945pm - 815am +1 76Z - No PS

BOS-EDI (Up to 1x. Daily)
930pm - 850am +1 76K - w/ PS

BOS-FCO (1x. Daily)
520pm - 730am +1 333 - No PS

BOS-LIS (Up to 1x. Daily)
11:25pm - 1050am +1 76K w/ PS

BOS-LHR (1x. Daily)
730pm - 710am+1 764



Wow!! Can we see next step launching services to Spain (BCN and MAD) ?
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2021

Sat Oct 02, 2021 10:27 pm

acavpics wrote:
Looks like DL is giving us TLV and ATH next summer. That too on an A330neo!

https://thepointsguy.com/news/delta-bos ... s-ath-tlv/

And there's also 3 domestic routes! SAN, BWI, and DEN.

AA/B6, your move....


Wow, I am shocked! I can see BOS-ATH as high demand vacation flight, but BOS-TLV?
BWI was ripe for the picking as I believe only Southwest flies there from BOS.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2021

Sat Oct 02, 2021 10:32 pm

jspams20 wrote:
This is a peak day in July so far, not counting TLV and ATH. How is this going to work, they have 4 330s going out in a span of about 3 hours. Wouldn't be surprised if TLV ends up with an 11pm departure, while Athens seems like JFK has been doing a 510pm and a 730pm departure. Honestly, I could see them either putting Athens BEFORE the first AMS (so around 330pm which would get in around 8am or after the 7pm CDG/AMS departures.).

BOS-AMS (Up to 2x. Daily)
452pm - 550am +1 333
652pm - 815am +1 333

BOS-CDG (Up to 2x. Daily)
705pm - 815am +1 333
1140pm - 1240pm +1 333

BOS-DUB (1x. Daily)
945pm - 815am +1 76Z - No PS

BOS-EDI (Up to 1x. Daily)
930pm - 850am +1 76K - w/ PS

BOS-FCO (1x. Daily)
520pm - 730am +1 333 - No PS

BOS-LIS (Up to 1x. Daily)
11:25pm - 1050am +1 76K w/ PS

BOS-LHR (1x. Daily)
730pm - 710am+1 764


DL240 BOS-ATH is loaded as a 655pm departure with an arrival at 1230pm+
DL242 BOS-TLV is a 420pm departure arriving TLV 935am+
Remember that both are only 3x weekly service; I am sure they will alternate with the second JFK service in each of these markets (so JFK-ATH instead of double daily will be 11x weekly, with the remaining 3x weekly being filled by the BOS flight).
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2021

Sat Oct 02, 2021 11:07 pm

airbazar wrote:
acavpics wrote:
AA/B6, your move....

I'm not sure there is a move for them to make. What could they possibly add? More BOS-SLC or BOS-SEA? AA resuming BOS-CDG?


AA adding BOS-ORF nonstop service is a possibility as DL is currently the only airline serving ORF nonstop from BOS along with ORF not currently served by B6.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2021

Sun Oct 03, 2021 12:03 am

clrd4t8koff wrote:
Even without KEF how will DL find room at terminal A when all of those flights are either 76W/764 or A330’s?

The big secret before the Pandemic was that DL was going to move its international operations to Terminal E.
When is the new expansion supposed to be ready?[/quote]

Last board meeting deck for Massport slated mid-late 23 for phase 1 (4 wb gates), phase 2 is back to 2026 i think

It’s going to be curious, because pre COVID, there was just no room for DL to have all their international operations in E. Arrivals only and tow offs to A. With the reduction in services from elsewhere and 4 new gates it might be possible, but I have my doubts still without some quick turnarounds.
 
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Sun Oct 03, 2021 12:18 am

Tel Aviv is quite surprising. I wonder if this means they'll push connecting traffic via Boston instead of JFK?
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2021

Sun Oct 03, 2021 12:22 am

acavpics wrote:
Looks like DL is giving us TLV and ATH next summer. That too on an A330neo!

https://thepointsguy.com/news/delta-bos ... s-ath-tlv/

And there's also 3 domestic routes! SAN, BWI, and DEN.

AA/B6, your move....

I wonder what this will do to LY's flight from BOS? Is the market big enough to support two airlines?
 
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Sun Oct 03, 2021 12:28 am

NickolayAv wrote:
acavpics wrote:
Looks like DL is giving us TLV and ATH next summer. That too on an A330neo!

https://thepointsguy.com/news/delta-bos ... s-ath-tlv/

And there's also 3 domestic routes! SAN, BWI, and DEN.

AA/B6, your move....

I wonder what this will do to LY's flight from BOS? Is the market big enough to support two airlines?


It will be interesting to see. Obviously Boston isn't New York. But there must have been a reason El Al began service to Boston.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2021

Sun Oct 03, 2021 12:49 am

clrd4t8koff wrote:
Next year DL will have the following TATL from BOS:
LHR
DUB
EDI
CDG
AMS
LIS
FCO
ATH
TLV
*Wild card - KEF

Even without KEF how will DL find room at terminal A when all of those flights are either 76W/764 or A330’s?


Regarding the BOS-KEF flight, did DL actually remove it from the booking system or was it never loaded in the first place?
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2021

Sun Oct 03, 2021 1:02 am

B752OS wrote:
NickolayAv wrote:
acavpics wrote:
Looks like DL is giving us TLV and ATH next summer. That too on an A330neo!

https://thepointsguy.com/news/delta-bos ... s-ath-tlv/

And there's also 3 domestic routes! SAN, BWI, and DEN.

AA/B6, your move....

I wonder what this will do to LY's flight from BOS? Is the market big enough to support two airlines?


It will be interesting to see. Obviously Boston isn't New York. But there must have been a reason El Al began service to Boston.


El Al discontinued Boston. Never resumed post-COVID and nothing in GDS.
 
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Sun Oct 03, 2021 1:10 am

B752OS wrote:
Tel Aviv is quite surprising. I wonder if this means they'll push connecting traffic via Boston instead of JFK?


I think both routes will do well inasmuch as they’re only 3x weekly. It’ll be a great barometer for 2023.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2021

Sun Oct 03, 2021 1:23 am

chrisnh wrote:
B752OS wrote:
Tel Aviv is quite surprising. I wonder if this means they'll push connecting traffic via Boston instead of JFK?


I think both routes will do well inasmuch as they’re only 3x weekly. It’ll be a great barometer for 2023.


It will be interesting to watch when El Al resumes service. El Al still has Boston suspended, along with San Francisco and Las Vegas.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2021

Sun Oct 03, 2021 2:22 am

MAH4546 wrote:
B752OS wrote:
NickolayAv wrote:
I wonder what this will do to LY's flight from BOS? Is the market big enough to support two airlines?


It will be interesting to see. Obviously Boston isn't New York. But there must have been a reason El Al began service to Boston.


El Al discontinued Boston. Never resumed post-COVID and nothing in GDS.


Technically it’s suspended not discontinued. Just like AA’s MIA-CDG which is coming back the end of this month after an 18-month suspension.

If you have a source that LY has permanently discontinued BOS, SFO & LAS please post.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2021

Sun Oct 03, 2021 2:55 am

airbazar wrote:
What is surprising to me is that no one dares to go against "LH" and either of its 3 routes. The fares on BOS-MUC alone must be the highest of all TATL markets.



Well, the issue is that Frankfurt and Munich aren't massive tourist hot spots, as compared to let's say Rome, Athens or Paris. Therefore, to get good yields at these airports, you need a strong connecting partner across the pond. But LH is pretty much the only carrier to have a massive hub at FRA/MUC.

So unless some day AA or DL codeshares with LH (which will probably NEVER happen), I don't think they will put up much competition against UA/LH. I don't expect AA and DL to serve anything more than their core hubs when it comes to competing with LH. So it will likely be only LH on BOS-FRA/MUC for the foreseeable future.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2021

Sun Oct 03, 2021 3:27 am

El Al packed up their stuff and left, returned offices to Massport, etc. So far none of the airlines that have resumed service ever went to those lengths. But all of the airlines that stopped service completely have.

As far as Delta goes, those are some great additions. Really glad to see that, and it’s so much more than the more common extra frequency announcements or something, so it’s all very exciting.

As far as terminal space goes, the new expansion won’t be open before these flights, so they’ll have to figure something out. And in the long run, it’s still being said that the international terminal is planned for the international carriers first and foremost. We’ll see how that pans out in the future though. Money and more destinations talk.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2021

Sun Oct 03, 2021 3:59 am

Does anyone have a list of international carriers that have left completely?

I know Hainan and Cathay Pacific still have not resumed BOS service. Any other carriers?
And I will top it off by asking: Do we see any of these carriers returning to BOS soon (Soon as in by the end of 2022)?
Or do you think that they are gone long term? I must admit that it is very sad seeing Hainan completely gone, as I really enjoyed seeing their A350 and 787 fly BOS's only China flights.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2021

Sun Oct 03, 2021 4:25 am

acavpics wrote:
Does anyone have a list of international carriers that have left completely?

I know Hainan and Cathay Pacific still have not resumed BOS service. Any other carriers?
And I will top it off by asking: Do we see any of these carriers returning to BOS soon (Soon as in by the end of 2022)?
Or do you think that they are gone long term? I must admit that it is very sad seeing Hainan completely gone, as I really enjoyed seeing their A350 and 787 fly BOS's only China flights.


Cathay Pacific operated several flights HKG-BOS over the past month with the A350-1000. Right now they’re in the GDS to resume in early January. That of course can change, but that’s the current status.

As for Hainan - they haven’t resumed any US routes. So this isn’t unique to BOS. If BOS gets China service again is anyone’s guess.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2021

Sun Oct 03, 2021 6:49 am

clrd4t8koff wrote:
MAH4546 wrote:
B752OS wrote:

It will be interesting to see. Obviously Boston isn't New York. But there must have been a reason El Al began service to Boston.


El Al discontinued Boston. Never resumed post-COVID and nothing in GDS.


Technically it’s suspended not discontinued. Just like AA’s MIA-CDG which is coming back the end of this month after an 18-month suspension.

If you have a source that LY has permanently discontinued BOS, SFO & LAS please post.


It is discontinued. it is gone from all reservation systems. You cannot book an El Al flight to Boston for any point in the future. Same with Las Vegas, same with San Francisco.

AA's MIA-CDG flight is bookable starting October 30th (with a new second daily from January 4th), that's suspended, as you mentioned.. El Al's Chicago flights are also bookable starting March 27th, so yes, that is another example of suspended.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2021

Sun Oct 03, 2021 10:26 am

MAH4546 wrote:
clrd4t8koff wrote:
MAH4546 wrote:

El Al discontinued Boston. Never resumed post-COVID and nothing in GDS.


Technically it’s suspended not discontinued. Just like AA’s MIA-CDG which is coming back the end of this month after an 18-month suspension.

If you have a source that LY has permanently discontinued BOS, SFO & LAS please post.


It is discontinued. it is gone from all reservation systems. You cannot book an El Al flight to Boston for any point in the future. Same with Las Vegas, same with San Francisco.

AA's MIA-CDG flight is bookable starting October 30th (with a new second daily from January 4th), that's suspended, as you mentioned.. El Al's Chicago flights are also bookable starting March 27th, so yes, that is another example of suspended.


And AA’s flights only became bookable for CDG recently. They were suspended for 18-months. Not on any GDS or bookable until recently.

So until you can provide a source confirming El Al permanently discontinued BOS than I’ll believe they’re suspended for the time being.

ETA - I just looked at Google flights for March 27th and there’s no ORD-TLV for sale then or at all next year:

https://www.google.com/travel/flights/s ... ent=safari
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2021

Sun Oct 03, 2021 11:12 am

acavpics wrote:
Does anyone have a list of international carriers that have left completely?

I know Hainan and Cathay Pacific still have not resumed BOS service. Any other carriers?
And I will top it off by asking: Do we see any of these carriers returning to BOS soon (Soon as in by the end of 2022)?
Or do you think that they are gone long term? I must admit that it is very sad seeing Hainan completely gone, as I really enjoyed seeing their A350 and 787 fly BOS's only China flights.


Cathay ran several flights recently, presumably to cater to the college students.

Royal Air Maroc is completely gone. While it's not a carrier that canceled service, Austrian was supposed to Launch Vienna right before the pandemic and that has yet to happen.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2021

Sun Oct 03, 2021 11:29 am

Massport made their July meeting deck available. Passenger numbers for May, June, July and August outpaced their high end projections. That has to bode well for the potential for a quicker recovery than initially thought.

The terminal E expansion is 45% complete and set to open mid-2023.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2021

Sun Oct 03, 2021 4:27 pm

Not surprised by the passenger numbers. I only really spend time at E and occasionally C (better food options…) and there have been crowds that could convince anyone that covid never happened. It’s very encouraging that the desire to travel is coming back strong. I expect it’ll be a long and quiet winter, but come spring it’ll bounce right back.

I have low expectations of Hainan coming back soon, but theirs is a more unique overall situation. CX as mentioned is allegedly coming back, and I think they’ll do well. Pre-covid they did well on cargo and pax counts, and being the only ride to that part of the world can be a big boost.

I think the longest wait will most likely be for any of the South America flights to come back

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