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Planeboy17 wrote:Kind of surprised no one has posted this yet but AA and UA have announced some summer INTL flying the last couple of days.
AA will resume ATH in June
DUB July 2
FCO and CDG August 17
LHR will continue at once daily thru the summer.
UA just announced ORD-KEF
piedmontf284000 wrote:Planeboy17 wrote:Kind of surprised no one has posted this yet but AA and UA have announced some summer INTL flying the last couple of days.
AA will resume ATH in June
DUB July 2
FCO and CDG August 17
LHR will continue at once daily thru the summer.
UA just announced ORD-KEF
International travel is a lost cause for this summer. With the decisions that are coming out of thestate department, we'll be lucky to see it back by Christmas. The airlines have wild aspirations for some of these routes and not just those from ORD. My guess is most of these routes get postponed to next year
sircygnus wrote:Just saw on ORD's Instagram page that it looks as though 9R/27L is closed for construction. I suppose I could check the NOTAM but can anyone confirm this? 9C/27C primarily used for departures as a result?
AirlineBob wrote:The last several times I've flown into ORD, I noticed two aircraft parked nose to nose near the AA hangars. One looks like an all-white 727, and the other is in AA livery (not sure of the type, a bit bigger than the 727, maybe an A320)?
Anyone know what I'm referring to? Any idea why those aircraft are there? I've seen them over at least the last six months, maybe longer.
sircygnus wrote:Just saw on ORD's Instagram page that it looks as though 9R/27L is closed for construction. I suppose I could check the NOTAM but can anyone confirm this? 9C/27C primarily used for departures as a result?
Planeboy17 wrote:sircygnus wrote:Just saw on ORD's Instagram page that it looks as though 9R/27L is closed for construction. I suppose I could check the NOTAM but can anyone confirm this? 9C/27C primarily used for departures as a result?
Per NOTAM the runway is closed until December 2nd.
kordcj wrote:Planeboy17 wrote:sircygnus wrote:Just saw on ORD's Instagram page that it looks as though 9R/27L is closed for construction. I suppose I could check the NOTAM but can anyone confirm this? 9C/27C primarily used for departures as a result?
Per NOTAM the runway is closed until December 2nd.
Is the whole completed runway expected to be finished on Dec 2nd?
kordcj wrote:Planeboy17 wrote:sircygnus wrote:Just saw on ORD's Instagram page that it looks as though 9R/27L is closed for construction. I suppose I could check the NOTAM but can anyone confirm this? 9C/27C primarily used for departures as a result?
Per NOTAM the runway is closed until December 2nd.
Is the whole completed runway expected to be finished on Dec 2nd?
asuflyer wrote:Seems ORD is overwhelmed with the incoming cargo volume, although it is not a new problem it seems exacerbated recently with all the extra charter cargo flights.
https://www.freightwaves.com/news/fed-u ... re-airport
jcwr56 wrote:asuflyer wrote:Seems ORD is overwhelmed with the incoming cargo volume, although it is not a new problem it seems exacerbated recently with all the extra charter cargo flights.
https://www.freightwaves.com/news/fed-u ... re-airport
Not exactly true, it comes down to scheduling by the tenants at NE Cargo,South, Southeast cargo. Fed Ex, UA and UPS seem to handle their own flights without issues described. It's the 3rd party handlers that want the business, bid on the business then can't handle the business they agree too.
Granted hiring staff has been challenging, but whose fault is that with the Feds giving away free cash.
Planeboy17 wrote:jcwr56 wrote:asuflyer wrote:Seems ORD is overwhelmed with the incoming cargo volume, although it is not a new problem it seems exacerbated recently with all the extra charter cargo flights.
https://www.freightwaves.com/news/fed-u ... re-airport
Not exactly true, it comes down to scheduling by the tenants at NE Cargo,South, Southeast cargo. Fed Ex, UA and UPS seem to handle their own flights without issues described. It's the 3rd party handlers that want the business, bid on the business then can't handle the business they agree too.
Granted hiring staff has been challenging, but whose fault is that with the Feds giving away free cash.
Although is it the government giving away free cash opposed to low pay by these third party operators. This is how salaries should be increased, if they can’t get enough workers for more work due to pay issues they should increase their salaries correct?
piedmontf284000 wrote:Planeboy17 wrote:Kind of surprised no one has posted this yet but AA and UA have announced some summer INTL flying the last couple of days.
AA will resume ATH in June
DUB July 2
FCO and CDG August 17
LHR will continue at once daily thru the summer.
UA just announced ORD-KEF
International travel is a lost cause for this summer. With the decisions that are coming out of the state department, we'll be lucky to see it back by Christmas. The airlines have wild aspirations for some of these routes and not just those from ORD. My guess is most of these routes get postponed to next year
ChicagoOhare wrote:I tried doing a search, couldn’t find anything. What’s going on with gates B5 and B6 at ORD? They were completely fenced off and a lot of scaffolding on the terminal, and it seems like it’s been like that for awhile. With flights picking up I would think UA needs as many gates as they can especially in the center of the concourse. It was great to see very busy concourses the other day when I flew in from RSW!!
Wneast wrote:ChicagoOhare wrote:I tried doing a search, couldn’t find anything. What’s going on with gates B5 and B6 at ORD? They were completely fenced off and a lot of scaffolding on the terminal, and it seems like it’s been like that for awhile. With flights picking up I would think UA needs as many gates as they can especially in the center of the concourse. It was great to see very busy concourses the other day when I flew in from RSW!!
Is it near the WN gates because I’m sure they want more gates ?
ChicagoOhare wrote:I tried doing a search, couldn’t find anything. What’s going on with gates B5 and B6 at ORD? They were completely fenced off and a lot of scaffolding on the terminal, and it seems like it’s been like that for awhile. With flights picking up I would think UA needs as many gates as they can especially in the center of the concourse. It was great to see very busy concourses the other day when I flew in from RSW!!
TrafficCop wrote:ChicagoOhare wrote:I tried doing a search, couldn’t find anything. What’s going on with gates B5 and B6 at ORD? They were completely fenced off and a lot of scaffolding on the terminal, and it seems like it’s been like that for awhile. With flights picking up I would think UA needs as many gates as they can especially in the center of the concourse. It was great to see very busy concourses the other day when I flew in from RSW!!
They are replacing all the glass. The C concourse is already done and now B is being worked on. There are usually 2 gates closed at a time as work progresses. When B5 reopens then B7 will close. As better weather is here work should progress nicely. It is usually only a strain on gates when weather occurs or flights get in real early..,
dopplerd wrote:Anyone know what the pole barn looking building is for at M5-M6? It looks like it might just be a temporary structure during construction.
gabik001 wrote:I saw they doing some building, terminal-like looking building with its own tower so seems like permanent. Anyone more info?
jcwr56 wrote:gabik001 wrote:I saw they doing some building, terminal-like looking building with its own tower so seems like permanent. Anyone more info?
You mean the expansion of T5?
asuflyer wrote:Seems ORD is overwhelmed with the incoming cargo volume, although it is not a new problem it seems exacerbated recently with all the extra charter cargo flights.
https://www.freightwaves.com/news/fed-u ... re-airport
dopplerd wrote:I heard rumor of major damage to an EK 777 at ORD. Any word on what happened?
Anthstr wrote:dopplerd wrote:I heard rumor of major damage to an EK 777 at ORD. Any word on what happened?
Rumor on FB is that a cargo 747 (possibly Yangtze/Suparna) jetblasted empty PMCs into the tail. Some pictures I saw showed some pretty big gashes below/aft door 5L and on the bottom part of where the horizontal stabilizer meets the fuselage.
gabik001 wrote:LH9940 is scheduled to arrive today to ORD from BOS as a leg of flight MUC-TUS (MUC-KEF-YYR-BOS-ORD-TUS). It is a CRJ-900 D-ACKL (LH Cityline) scheduled @ 9:15a. Departure to TUS is set for 10:25am. Possibly no titles on her since she was put to storage on January.
United787 wrote:I am surprised the passing of Helmut Jahn didn’t get more attention on this forum.
His design for United’s Terminal 1 at ORD was (and still is) a monumental piece of architecture. The completion of T1 was a major turning point in the design of airports, not only in this country but around the world. I remember Jahn explaining his inspiration for T1 being the grand light filled spaces of Europe’s train stations. The feeling he achieved at T1 still seems to be the goal in airport designs being built all over the globe. Compare that to the low ceiling utilitarian designs of the late 60s, 70s and early 80s.
Traveling through T1 never gets old for me. When I arrive there from home, my mood changes as soon as I set foot inside. No matter how busy and crowded it can be, the space calms me and lifts me up.
glbltrvlr wrote:United787 wrote:I am surprised the passing of Helmut Jahn didn’t get more attention on this forum.
His design for United’s Terminal 1 at ORD was (and still is) a monumental piece of architecture. The completion of T1 was a major turning point in the design of airports, not only in this country but around the world. I remember Jahn explaining his inspiration for T1 being the grand light filled spaces of Europe’s train stations. The feeling he achieved at T1 still seems to be the goal in airport designs being built all over the globe. Compare that to the low ceiling utilitarian designs of the late 60s, 70s and early 80s.
Traveling through T1 never gets old for me. When I arrive there from home, my mood changes as soon as I set foot inside. No matter how busy and crowded it can be, the space calms me and lifts me up.
If CDA had left it as Helmut designed it, I would agree with you. I just get annoyed and depressed when I walk though it now. They should rip out all the popup stores and booths that encroach on the walkways and make it impossible to pass. Gate overflows into the walkway is almost as bad and the amount of space TSA has taken is crazy. CDA has destroyed what was a beautiful facility.
AAplat4life wrote:glbltrvlr wrote:United787 wrote:I am surprised the passing of Helmut Jahn didn’t get more attention on this forum.
His design for United’s Terminal 1 at ORD was (and still is) a monumental piece of architecture. The completion of T1 was a major turning point in the design of airports, not only in this country but around the world. I remember Jahn explaining his inspiration for T1 being the grand light filled spaces of Europe’s train stations. The feeling he achieved at T1 still seems to be the goal in airport designs being built all over the globe. Compare that to the low ceiling utilitarian designs of the late 60s, 70s and early 80s.
Traveling through T1 never gets old for me. When I arrive there from home, my mood changes as soon as I set foot inside. No matter how busy and crowded it can be, the space calms me and lifts me up.
If CDA had left it as Helmut designed it, I would agree with you. I just get annoyed and depressed when I walk though it now. They should rip out all the popup stores and booths that encroach on the walkways and make it impossible to pass. Gate overflows into the walkway is almost as bad and the amount of space TSA has taken is crazy. CDA has destroyed what was a beautiful facility.
ORD T1 was designed for an era when airports functioned differently. Certainly it was breathtaking when it first opened, but that was before TSA screenings and airlines minimizing onboard food service. So airports needed to make room for food vendors. Ultimately the design of T1 has proven itself to be form over function as it seems not very versatile to accommodate changing needs and increasing passenger numbers. As part of the ORD 21 program, both T1 and T3 are supposed to get overhauls. Those plans have not been released, and they may still be in preliminary stages. It appears that all check-ins will be handled at the new global terminal replacing T2, thereby freeing up space in T1 and 3. I have no info on what will happen to these areas, but I do suspect that more of the original T1 design is vulnerable. Other major HJ projects in.Chicago are also vulnerable now too, such as the State of Illinois Building. As for ORD, the T1 design is no longer conducive to how the airport will be transformed. There will be more changes to it. That’s about all we really know for now.
MLIAA wrote:AAplat4life wrote:glbltrvlr wrote:
If CDA had left it as Helmut designed it, I would agree with you. I just get annoyed and depressed when I walk though it now. They should rip out all the popup stores and booths that encroach on the walkways and make it impossible to pass. Gate overflows into the walkway is almost as bad and the amount of space TSA has taken is crazy. CDA has destroyed what was a beautiful facility.
ORD T1 was designed for an era when airports functioned differently. Certainly it was breathtaking when it first opened, but that was before TSA screenings and airlines minimizing onboard food service. So airports needed to make room for food vendors. Ultimately the design of T1 has proven itself to be form over function as it seems not very versatile to accommodate changing needs and increasing passenger numbers. As part of the ORD 21 program, both T1 and T3 are supposed to get overhauls. Those plans have not been released, and they may still be in preliminary stages. It appears that all check-ins will be handled at the new global terminal replacing T2, thereby freeing up space in T1 and 3. I have no info on what will happen to these areas, but I do suspect that more of the original T1 design is vulnerable. Other major HJ projects in.Chicago are also vulnerable now too, such as the State of Illinois Building. As for ORD, the T1 design is no longer conducive to how the airport will be transformed. There will be more changes to it. That’s about all we really know for now.
That would be big if true, and would allow for tons of new amenities in T1 and T3. Do you have a source for this?
AAplat4life wrote:glbltrvlr wrote:United787 wrote:I am surprised the passing of Helmut Jahn didn’t get more attention on this forum.
His design for United’s Terminal 1 at ORD was (and still is) a monumental piece of architecture. The completion of T1 was a major turning point in the design of airports, not only in this country but around the world. I remember Jahn explaining his inspiration for T1 being the grand light filled spaces of Europe’s train stations. The feeling he achieved at T1 still seems to be the goal in airport designs being built all over the globe. Compare that to the low ceiling utilitarian designs of the late 60s, 70s and early 80s.
Traveling through T1 never gets old for me. When I arrive there from home, my mood changes as soon as I set foot inside. No matter how busy and crowded it can be, the space calms me and lifts me up.
If CDA had left it as Helmut designed it, I would agree with you. I just get annoyed and depressed when I walk though it now. They should rip out all the popup stores and booths that encroach on the walkways and make it impossible to pass. Gate overflows into the walkway is almost as bad and the amount of space TSA has taken is crazy. CDA has destroyed what was a beautiful facility.
ORD T1 was designed for an era when airports functioned differently. Certainly it was breathtaking when it first opened, but that was before TSA screenings and airlines minimizing onboard food service. So airports needed to make room for food vendors. Ultimately the design of T1 has proven itself to be form over function as it seems not very versatile to accommodate changing needs and increasing passenger numbers. As part of the ORD 21 program, both T1 and T3 are supposed to get overhauls. Those plans have not been released, and they may still be in preliminary stages. It appears that all check-ins will be handled at the new global terminal replacing T2, thereby freeing up space in T1 and 3. I have no info on what will happen to these areas, but I do suspect that more of the original T1 design is vulnerable. Other major HJ projects in.Chicago are also vulnerable now too, such as the State of Illinois Building. As for ORD, the T1 design is no longer conducive to how the airport will be transformed. There will be more changes to it. That’s about all we really know for now.
tootshibbard wrote:
You mind I ask where you got the info about the check-ins being centralized into the new Global T2? That would certainly be interesting as it would free up tons of room in T1 and T3. I would find this hard to believe this could be carried out though given that crush of drop-offs and cars that the new T2 would face. Not to mention the crowding by funneling all three terminals check-ins into the building.
glbltrvlr wrote:tootshibbard wrote:
You mind I ask where you got the info about the check-ins being centralized into the new Global T2? That would certainly be interesting as it would free up tons of room in T1 and T3. I would find this hard to believe this could be carried out though given that crush of drop-offs and cars that the new T2 would face. Not to mention the crowding by funneling all three terminals check-ins into the building.
The rendering here shows T1 and T2 as a connected structure, so it would make perfect sense to have single point screening in the new T2. I wouldn't hold my breath though. The plan is to start with the satellite terminals first, so it will be decades before they get around to the new T2 common check-in area.
https://www.ord21.com/home/Pages/default.aspx
glbltrvlr wrote:tootshibbard wrote:
You mind I ask where you got the info about the check-ins being centralized into the new Global T2? That would certainly be interesting as it would free up tons of room in T1 and T3. I would find this hard to believe this could be carried out though given that crush of drop-offs and cars that the new T2 would face. Not to mention the crowding by funneling all three terminals check-ins into the building.
The rendering here shows T1 and T2 as a connected structure, so it would make perfect sense to have single point screening in the new T2. I wouldn't hold my breath though. The plan is to start with the satellite terminals first, so it will be decades before they get around to the new T2 common check-in area.
https://www.ord21.com/home/Pages/default.aspx
Elkadad313 wrote:glbltrvlr wrote:tootshibbard wrote:
You mind I ask where you got the info about the check-ins being centralized into the new Global T2? That would certainly be interesting as it would free up tons of room in T1 and T3. I would find this hard to believe this could be carried out though given that crush of drop-offs and cars that the new T2 would face. Not to mention the crowding by funneling all three terminals check-ins into the building.
The rendering here shows T1 and T2 as a connected structure, so it would make perfect sense to have single point screening in the new T2. I wouldn't hold my breath though. The plan is to start with the satellite terminals first, so it will be decades before they get around to the new T2 common check-in area.
https://www.ord21.com/home/Pages/default.aspx
The rendering (https://www.ord21.com/home/Pages/default.aspx), including satellites 1 & 2 (T-5 not shown but counted), appears to show only 168 gates (based on my eyeball count). According to Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O%27Hare_ ... 91%20gates) O'Hare presently has 191 gates. When 9R - 27L is completed, demand for gate space will, hopefully post-pandemic, increase substantially. Billion$ for a decrease in gates does not make sense. Is the rendering not accurate? What am I missing?
piedmontf284000 wrote:Elkadad313 wrote:glbltrvlr wrote:
The rendering here shows T1 and T2 as a connected structure, so it would make perfect sense to have single point screening in the new T2. I wouldn't hold my breath though. The plan is to start with the satellite terminals first, so it will be decades before they get around to the new T2 common check-in area.
https://www.ord21.com/home/Pages/default.aspx
The rendering (https://www.ord21.com/home/Pages/default.aspx), including satellites 1 & 2 (T-5 not shown but counted), appears to show only 168 gates (based on my eyeball count). According to Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O%27Hare_ ... 91%20gates) O'Hare presently has 191 gates. When 9R - 27L is completed, demand for gate space will, hopefully post-pandemic, increase substantially. Billion$ for a decrease in gates does not make sense. Is the rendering not accurate? What am I missing?
O'Hare currently has 191 gates of which they will lose 27 when Terminal 2 is demolished and 8 gates to Concourse B & C (4 each) in Terminal 1 for the connection expansion to OGT, which will bring them down to 156. T-5 is adding 10 in their expansion and the Concourse L stinger is adding 3. When the OGT is completed in the 30's, there will be 16 gates added to Concourse C or if you prefer Satellite 1; 24 gates will be added to an all new Concourse (D?) or Satellite 2 if you prefer. Finally the OGT will add 13 gates which will be connected to Concourse B. Some of those 13 might be considered Concourse B which will make the total number of gates in the OGT less. So with all the expansion, O'Hare will see net gain of 31 gates to bring it to a grand total of 222. Now some of these gate totals might change either positively or negatively based on actual construction, costs, demand, etc. However, I do believe that if they reduce the expansion of OGT it will still have the ability to expand later on should the city want/need it.
piedmontf284000 wrote:Elkadad313 wrote:glbltrvlr wrote:
The rendering here shows T1 and T2 as a connected structure, so it would make perfect sense to have single point screening in the new T2. I wouldn't hold my breath though. The plan is to start with the satellite terminals first, so it will be decades before they get around to the new T2 common check-in area.
https://www.ord21.com/home/Pages/default.aspx
The rendering (https://www.ord21.com/home/Pages/default.aspx), including satellites 1 & 2 (T-5 not shown but counted), appears to show only 168 gates (based on my eyeball count). According to Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O%27Hare_ ... 91%20gates) O'Hare presently has 191 gates. When 9R - 27L is completed, demand for gate space will, hopefully post-pandemic, increase substantially. Billion$ for a decrease in gates does not make sense. Is the rendering not accurate? What am I missing?
O'Hare currently has 191 gates of which they will lose 27 when Terminal 2 is demolished and 8 gates to Concourse B & C (4 each) in Terminal 1 for the connection expansion to OGT, which will bring them down to 156. T-5 is adding 10 in their expansion and the Concourse L stinger is adding 3. When the OGT is completed in the 30's, there will be 16 gates added to Concourse C or if you prefer Satellite 1; 24 gates will be added to an all new Concourse (D?) or Satellite 2 if you prefer. Finally the OGT will add 13 gates which will be connected to Concourse B. Some of those 13 might be considered Concourse B which will make the total number of gates in the OGT less. So with all the expansion, O'Hare will see net gain of 31 gates to bring it to a grand total of 222. Now some of these gate totals might change either positively or negatively based on actual construction, costs, demand, etc. However, I do believe that if they reduce the expansion of OGT it will still have the ability to expand later on should the city want/need it.