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kd9gy wrote:Will the People Mover return to service in 2021? Get your Crystal Ball out for the prediction!
ILikeTrains wrote:I’m most excited for Southwests setup in Terminal 5.
ORDfan wrote:I'm surprised the city couldn't stick them somewhere inside T2.
ORDfan wrote:ILikeTrains wrote:I’m most excited for Southwests setup in Terminal 5.
Oh no, I didn't realize they were going into T5. I don't like that all.... T5 has aged really well, in part, due to the reduced frequency of turnarounds owing to long-hauls.
I realize that has changed over the past few years with so many new foreign flags coming at all hours plus the addition of Frontier, but I can't help but think that the increased churn from SW will add a lot more stress on T5 than it can reasonably accommodate.
I'm surprised the city couldn't stick them somewhere inside T2.
ORDfan wrote:ILikeTrains wrote:I’m most excited for Southwests setup in Terminal 5.
Oh no, I didn't realize they were going into T5. I don't like that all.... T5 has aged really well, in part, due to the reduced frequency of turnarounds owing to long-hauls.
I realize that has changed over the past few years with so many new foreign flags coming at all hours plus the addition of Frontier, but I can't help but think that the increased churn from SW will add a lot more stress on T5 than it can reasonably accommodate.
I'm surprised the city couldn't stick them somewhere inside T2.
chicawgo wrote:The minimal number of flights won’t make a difference in wear and tear. I predict that they will do very well and expand at ORD. it’s probably some of the most unserved demand from n the entire country. Millions of people live in north and west suburbs and want to fly WN but distance to MDW is just too much. I dealt with it my entire childhood. My dad always saying “for $30 it’s not worth schlepping all the way to midway.”
tphuang wrote:For those that know better, does JetBlue have access to more than 1 gate at it's current location in ORD? I was doing my route predictions for 2021 and see that they would need at least a second gate if they want to add service to EWR and RDU.
kbmiflyer wrote:ORDfan wrote:I'm surprised the city couldn't stick them somewhere inside T2.
There really isn't any room in T2, DL and UA Express keep the gates pretty busy. It also meets with the long term plan to move all domestic airlines not named United and American to T5.
x1234 wrote:What's the ETA for the train to be running again? It takes forever with the buses for domestic-><-international connections.
United787 wrote:Are there any construction photos of the T5 Expansion?
jcwr56 wrote:United787 wrote:Are there any construction photos of the T5 Expansion?
I'm not sure if Austin Powers Partners have anything up on their website, but I can tell you steel is going up quickly on the Headhouse expansion between M7-M12, and on the east side, the 2nd ramp tower is about half way up with additional steel beams being set around the ComEd vault and tie in to the building have started.
Planeboy17 wrote:Has anyone heard any news about the Air India introductory HYD-ORD flight on Friday?
sircygnus wrote:jcwr56 wrote:United787 wrote:Are there any construction photos of the T5 Expansion?
I'm not sure if Austin Powers Partners have anything up on their website, but I can tell you steel is going up quickly on the Headhouse expansion between M7-M12, and on the east side, the 2nd ramp tower is about half way up with additional steel beams being set around the ComEd vault and tie in to the building have started.
Will the T5 expansion also included a second FIS area on the newly constructed east side, or will international arriving passengers to the new gates still need to hike it west to the existing FIS?
Perhaps the new gates will be eventually geared more for domestic flights?
sircygnus wrote:jcwr56 wrote:United787 wrote:Are there any construction photos of the T5 Expansion?
I'm not sure if Austin Powers Partners have anything up on their website, but I can tell you steel is going up quickly on the Headhouse expansion between M7-M12, and on the east side, the 2nd ramp tower is about half way up with additional steel beams being set around the ComEd vault and tie in to the building have started.
Will the T5 expansion also included a second FIS area on the newly constructed east side, or will international arriving passengers to the new gates still need to hike it west to the existing FIS?
Perhaps the new gates will be eventually geared more for domestic flights?
dtw2hyd wrote:Planeboy17 wrote:Has anyone heard any news about the Air India introductory HYD-ORD flight on Friday?
AI107 on its way back to ORD.
https://www.flightradar24.com/AIC107/2693899b
ORD-HYD AI108 started from 1/13
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flig ... 8#2690de26
Based on this video, both flights had 95% load, J was full
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BseYXzORYU
mjba257 wrote:My predictions for ORD in the next 5 years:
- The expansion will be put on hold until demand increases to pre-COVID levels
- UA will add an ORD-ICN flight with OZ leaving *A
- UA adds more deep Latin flights like GIG, EZE, LIM, SCL. Currently, the only deep Latin route on UA is ORD-GRU
- UA adds a seasonal ORD-LIH flight, as Kauai is currently the only Hawaiian island not served nonstop from ORD
- A nonstop flight to Australia, either on QF or UA
- DL launches ORD-LAX as well as some leisure routes, like CUN, MCO, TPA
- WN continues to grow; remember, WN has large ops at both SJC and OAK, so it's not unforeseeable for them to have large ops at both MDW and ORD
- AA gets their crap together (fire Doug Parker) and makes a comeback at ORD. It's their only midwestern hub and a market that can't afford to be lost. Add more TATL flights as demand returns
jcwr56 wrote:kbmiflyer wrote:ORDfan wrote:I'm surprised the city couldn't stick them somewhere inside T2.
There really isn't any room in T2, DL and UA Express keep the gates pretty busy. It also meets with the long term plan to move all domestic airlines not named United and American to T5.
Contrary to popular belief, there is a mechanism to move carriers around under the new lease. There will also be 3 domestic common use gates at T2 and in T3 in 2022.
dtw2hyd wrote:Planeboy17 wrote:Has anyone heard any news about the Air India introductory HYD-ORD flight on Friday?
AI107 on its way back to ORD.
https://www.flightradar24.com/AIC107/2693899b
ORD-HYD AI108 started from 1/13
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flig ... 8#2690de26
Based on this video, both flights had 95% load, J was full
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BseYXzORYU
jscottwomack wrote:mjba257 wrote:My predictions for ORD in the next 5 years:
- The expansion will be put on hold until demand increases to pre-COVID levels
- UA will add an ORD-ICN flight with OZ leaving *A
- UA adds more deep Latin flights like GIG, EZE, LIM, SCL. Currently, the only deep Latin route on UA is ORD-GRU
- UA adds a seasonal ORD-LIH flight, as Kauai is currently the only Hawaiian island not served nonstop from ORD
- A nonstop flight to Australia, either on QF or UA
- DL launches ORD-LAX as well as some leisure routes, like CUN, MCO, TPA
- WN continues to grow; remember, WN has large ops at both SJC and OAK, so it's not unforeseeable for them to have large ops at both MDW and ORD
- AA gets their crap together (fire Doug Parker) and makes a comeback at ORD. It's their only midwestern hub and a market that can't afford to be lost. Add more TATL flights as demand returns
Disagree on Point 1: Hopefully they will be keep moving forward with Expansion. With Traffic down, they can get more done and finish on schedule. AA & UA will not have a problem closing a few gates to expedite work since the demand for gate space is no there at the moment.
The rest of your points I can go along with.
timberwolf24 wrote:jscottwomack wrote:mjba257 wrote:My predictions for ORD in the next 5 years:
- The expansion will be put on hold until demand increases to pre-COVID levels
- UA will add an ORD-ICN flight with OZ leaving *A
- UA adds more deep Latin flights like GIG, EZE, LIM, SCL. Currently, the only deep Latin route on UA is ORD-GRU
- UA adds a seasonal ORD-LIH flight, as Kauai is currently the only Hawaiian island not served nonstop from ORD
- A nonstop flight to Australia, either on QF or UA
- DL launches ORD-LAX as well as some leisure routes, like CUN, MCO, TPA
- WN continues to grow; remember, WN has large ops at both SJC and OAK, so it's not unforeseeable for them to have large ops at both MDW and ORD
- AA gets their crap together (fire Doug Parker) and makes a comeback at ORD. It's their only midwestern hub and a market that can't afford to be lost. Add more TATL flights as demand returns
Disagree on Point 1: Hopefully they will be keep moving forward with Expansion. With Traffic down, they can get more done and finish on schedule. AA & UA will not have a problem closing a few gates to expedite work since the demand for gate space is no there at the moment.
The rest of your points I can go along with.
I agree with all the above and would add the following;
PR to MNL
SQ to SIN
AT to CMN
MS to CAI
JU to BEG
ORD becoming a focus city for DL. (Yes, you saw that right.)
Non Stop service to MAN,MXP,BUD,PRG and BOM.
mjba257 wrote:Absolutely agree on that point. Chicago is a weak link in DL's network and always has been. I get it. UA is the hometown airline and AA has been there for decades, plus you have WN's largest base at MDW. And I never would expect DL to have a hub at ORD, with MSP and DTW so close, but definitely more P2P routes as the market so profitable. I could see DL adding LAX, PDX, DCA, LAS, MCO, TPA, FLL, CUN, etc.
Once DL moves into an expanded T5, they will have more gates to hopefully launch more routes
Planeboy17 wrote:I obviously hope this flight is a success but for my own selfish reason for photography I hope this flight lasts at least into April so I can catch in sunlight.
gabik001 wrote:Do you guys think AI will operate that route on B77L all the time?
Crosswind787 wrote:My prediction for ORD in the next 5 years is:
-AA pulls it's hub and only flies p2p routes / to and from other hubs, with NK/F9picking up much of the domestic / caribbean flying and UA filling in on europe and some domestic routes
-the expansion continues so it's done when demand really returns
-DL eventually offering p2p high demand routes (LAX, MCO)
-UA grows ORD to over 800 flights a day (I would've said 1000 flights a day but covid keeps this number below 1000) I once talked to someone at ORD /UA who said if AA ever leaves UA would quickly snatch up their gates and routes and turn ORD into the UA equivalent of DL at ATL
-breeze starts flights
-WN expands ORD routes to MCO/RSW/TPA
jscottwomack wrote:Crosswind787 wrote:My prediction for ORD in the next 5 years is:
-AA pulls it's hub and only flies p2p routes / to and from other hubs, with NK/F9picking up much of the domestic / caribbean flying and UA filling in on europe and some domestic routes
-the expansion continues so it's done when demand really returns
-DL eventually offering p2p high demand routes (LAX, MCO)
-UA grows ORD to over 800 flights a day (I would've said 1000 flights a day but covid keeps this number below 1000) I once talked to someone at ORD /UA who said if AA ever leaves UA would quickly snatch up their gates and routes and turn ORD into the UA equivalent of DL at ATL
-breeze starts flights
-WN expands ORD routes to MCO/RSW/TPA
Only way AA gives up ORD as a hub is if it goes out of business. Pulling out of ORD would be a huge mistake. Too much goes through that city. They might scale back a notch but letting go of a Hub?? Delta would give up MSP & DTW to have a hub in Chicago. It is that big of a city.
klm617 wrote:Right, the brand recognition in MSP & DTW alone kill ORD's chances of ever having a sizeable Delta presence because of Northwest.jscottwomack wrote:Crosswind787 wrote:My prediction for ORD in the next 5 years is:
-AA pulls it's hub and only flies p2p routes / to and from other hubs, with NK/F9picking up much of the domestic / caribbean flying and UA filling in on europe and some domestic routes
-the expansion continues so it's done when demand really returns
-DL eventually offering p2p high demand routes (LAX, MCO)
-UA grows ORD to over 800 flights a day (I would've said 1000 flights a day but covid keeps this number below 1000) I once talked to someone at ORD /UA who said if AA ever leaves UA would quickly snatch up their gates and routes and turn ORD into the UA equivalent of DL at ATL
-breeze starts flights
-WN expands ORD routes to MCO/RSW/TPA
Only way AA gives up ORD as a hub is if it goes out of business. Pulling out of ORD would be a huge mistake. Too much goes through that city. They might scale back a notch but letting go of a Hub?? Delta would give up MSP & DTW to have a hub in Chicago. It is that big of a city.
I have to disagree with this Delta likes to own it's core hubs there is no way they can do that at ORD. Remember they dehubbed DFW Delta owns the market in all four of it's core hubs. ATL, DTW, MSP and SLC and before the merger CVG.
kd9gy wrote:ANA 8549 left ORD on 27C this afternoon, and very shortly after takeoff had an engine problem. Circled north of ORD for a while, and then flew over Lake Michigan for an hour or so to dump fuel, and landed safely back on 22L. Never got above 6,000 feet. 777-3300ER on a normal, daily flight. Interesting monitoring of UAL's 131.4 (maintenance channel) - which ANA used to talk to their maintenance folks - all Japanese! Amazing how radio channels can be linked to their airline base of operations. While fun to monitor the entire time - simply another case of an inflight emergency handled with great professionalism and became a 'non event.'
timberwolf24 wrote:jscottwomack wrote:mjba257 wrote:My predictions for ORD in the next 5 years:
- The expansion will be put on hold until demand increases to pre-COVID levels
- UA will add an ORD-ICN flight with OZ leaving *A
- UA adds more deep Latin flights like GIG, EZE, LIM, SCL. Currently, the only deep Latin route on UA is ORD-GRU
- UA adds a seasonal ORD-LIH flight, as Kauai is currently the only Hawaiian island not served nonstop from ORD
- A nonstop flight to Australia, either on QF or UA
- DL launches ORD-LAX as well as some leisure routes, like CUN, MCO, TPA
- WN continues to grow; remember, WN has large ops at both SJC and OAK, so it's not unforeseeable for them to have large ops at both MDW and ORD
- AA gets their crap together (fire Doug Parker) and makes a comeback at ORD. It's their only midwestern hub and a market that can't afford to be lost. Add more TATL flights as demand returns
Disagree on Point 1: Hopefully they will be keep moving forward with Expansion. With Traffic down, they can get more done and finish on schedule. AA & UA will not have a problem closing a few gates to expedite work since the demand for gate space is no there at the moment.
The rest of your points I can go along with.
I agree with all the above and would add the following;
PR to MNL
SQ to SIN
AT to CMN
MS to CAI
JU to BEG
ORD becoming a focus city for DL. (Yes, you saw that right.)
Non Stop service to MAN,MXP,BUD,PRG and BOM.
SyracuseAvGeek wrote:This trip report just came out...
Looks like it is the ONLY video on YouTube of flying Air Choice One from ORD to STL with stops in both Mason City and Fort Dodge.
This route ends on March 1 when SkyWest takes the EAS contract in both small cities.
https://youtu.be/eopZQZyNcyg
I feel like after seeing the video, neither city really needs a 50-seat jet twice daily to O’Hare. The waiting area in Mason City doesn’t even look big enough to handle that many passengers.
TSA125 wrote:Does NZ have plans to come back to ORD as of yet? They ran some cargo ops late last summer/fall if I recall.