Chicago Aviation Thread - 2021

gabik001 · Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:29 am

yeogeo wrote:
... and carrying on with odd-balls tonight

Hi Fly Malta just flew in from ANC with A343 9H-FOX, which, correct me if I'm wrong, doesn't visit too often, if at all.
-there's a little info on the a/c in the caption of the photos above.

Just departed over hour ago.
HFM was often here early this year with some cargo flights but stopped later. Seems like we might see them here few more times.

yeogeo · Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:39 am

For those of you who don't read the UA Fleet Thread:

adamblang wrote:
https://www.aviacionline.com/2021/10/un ... to-brazil/

United will operate ORD-GRU 5X/week from October 5, going daily from December 16 using B777-200ER and 789, according to the linked source.

Planeboy17 · Mon Oct 04, 2021 5:10 am

timberwolf24 wrote:
EL AL is scheduled to resume ORD-TLV flights on March 27, 2022. Schedule per EL AL's website is as follows;

LY 23 Dep TLV 12:00pm Arr ORD 4:30pm Sun, Tue, Thur. 787-8
LY 24 DEP ORD 7:15pm Arr TLV 2:35pm+1 Sun, Tue Thur. 787-8

That’s excellent news! I forget the thread but there was mention of El Al not returning to BOS. Supposedly cleaned out their offices.

BigPlaneGuy13 · Tue Oct 05, 2021 6:22 pm

Today, (10/5/2021) a United A320 flew from ORD - MDW. Why? I just happened to pick it up on FlightRadar24. UA2546. Flight landed at 13:19 local time.

ILikeTrains · Tue Oct 05, 2021 6:41 pm

BigPlaneGuy13 wrote:
Today, (10/5/2021) a United A320 flew from ORD - MDW. Why? I just happened to pick it up on FlightRadar24. UA2546. Flight landed at 13:19 local time.

Wild guess, but maybe flying the White Sox? Is it flying on to Houston after?

BigPlaneGuy13 · Tue Oct 05, 2021 6:46 pm

ILikeTrains wrote:
BigPlaneGuy13 wrote:
Today, (10/5/2021) a United A320 flew from ORD - MDW. Why? I just happened to pick it up on FlightRadar24. UA2546. Flight landed at 13:19 local time.

Wild guess, but maybe flying the White Sox? Is it flying on to Houston after?

That was a great guess. Sure enough, the next flight operated by the aircraft is UA2503 from MDW - IAH.

Two things. 1) I am surprised United would legitimately relocate a plane from one airport to the other to accommodate the White Sox. 2) I am surprised they aren't using bigger equipment to carry the White Sox to Houston.

ILikeTrains · Tue Oct 05, 2021 7:17 pm

BigPlaneGuy13 wrote:
ILikeTrains wrote:
BigPlaneGuy13 wrote:
Today, (10/5/2021) a United A320 flew from ORD - MDW. Why? I just happened to pick it up on FlightRadar24. UA2546. Flight landed at 13:19 local time.

Wild guess, but maybe flying the White Sox? Is it flying on to Houston after?

That was a great guess. Sure enough, the next flight operated by the aircraft is UA2503 from MDW - IAH.

Two things. 1) I am surprised United would legitimately relocate a plane from one airport to the other to accommodate the White Sox. 2) I am surprised they aren't using bigger equipment to carry the White Sox to Houston.

I’m sure the conversation was United saying “look, you can either fly out of MDW, or you can have lie-flat seats, you can’t have both.” I imagine getting a 767/787/777 out of Midway would be tricky.

Either way, Jerry Reinsdorf (White Sox & Bulls owner) is a frugal man.

jetblastdubai · Tue Oct 05, 2021 7:32 pm

Are White Sox allowed to be seen north of Madison St?

elbandgeek · Tue Oct 05, 2021 7:41 pm

BigPlaneGuy13 wrote:
ILikeTrains wrote:
BigPlaneGuy13 wrote:
Today, (10/5/2021) a United A320 flew from ORD - MDW. Why? I just happened to pick it up on FlightRadar24. UA2546. Flight landed at 13:19 local time.

Wild guess, but maybe flying the White Sox? Is it flying on to Houston after?

That was a great guess. Sure enough, the next flight operated by the aircraft is UA2503 from MDW - IAH.

Two things. 1) I am surprised United would legitimately relocate a plane from one airport to the other to accommodate the White Sox. 2) I am surprised they aren't using bigger equipment to carry the White Sox to Houston.

The NFL is the only league that uses widebodies for team charters. All the others use 737/757/A32X equipment. The Sox flew an AA 757 in 2005 but switched to UA not long after and have been with them ever since.

gabik001 · Tue Oct 05, 2021 11:45 pm

VI A124 RA82077 arrived today at 4:50am from ANC and just received alert that should depart to ANC pretty soon (just showed up on NE Cargo). Its been a while that wny russian build a/c landed at ORD.

yeogeo · Wed Oct 06, 2021 12:17 pm

gabik001 wrote:
VI A124 RA82077 arrived today at 4:50am from ANC and just received alert that should depart to ANC pretty soon (just showed up on NE Cargo). Its been a while that wny russian build a/c landed at ORD.

Ooh! Product #400* :drool:

RA-82077 is one of 12 operated by Volga-Dnepr Airlines

*the aircraft's name under development, aka Antonov An-124-100 Ruslan

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonov_An-124_Ruslan

se210 · Wed Oct 06, 2021 3:13 pm

USAF C17 99-0060 appears to be joining the ORD arrival "conga line". Inbound from Andrews AFB so assuming forward logistics for the rescheduled President visit to Chicago area tomorrow (10/07/2021).
https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=ae0806

ChicagoOhare · Wed Oct 06, 2021 3:55 pm

Some good home town news, according to Flightaware, ORD was the busiest airport for at least the last week with 13,761 total departures and arrivals. It's on their main page under the Aviation Trends section.

https://flightaware.com/

gabik001 · Thu Oct 07, 2021 12:17 am

se210 wrote:
USAF C17 99-0060 appears to be joining the ORD arrival "conga line". Inbound from Andrews AFB so assuming forward logistics for the rescheduled President visit to Chicago area tomorrow (10/07/2021).
https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=ae0806

Just checked TFR's and seems like AirForce1 should arrive after 12:00pm and depart before 5pm. We can see more supporting stuff tomorrow.

airborneX0101 · Thu Oct 07, 2021 12:43 am

ChicagoOhare wrote:
Some good home town news, according to Flightaware, ORD was the busiest airport for at least the last week with 13,761 total departures and arrivals. It's on their main page under the Aviation Trends section.

https://flightaware.com/

That's great news, thanks for sharing!

gabik001 · Thu Oct 07, 2021 4:49 pm

82-8000 just left Andrews 20 mins ago so should arrive at ORD within an hour.

chicawgo · Thu Oct 07, 2021 5:21 pm

airborneX0101 wrote:
ChicagoOhare wrote:
Some good home town news, according to Flightaware, ORD was the busiest airport for at least the last week with 13,761 total departures and arrivals. It's on their main page under the Aviation Trends section.

https://flightaware.com/

That's great news, thanks for sharing!

I’ve been checking this weekly and it’s been ORD since June. Generally not even close on how many active ORD flights there are compared to the next at any given time.

se210 · Thu Oct 07, 2021 5:38 pm

gabik001 wrote:
82-8000 just left Andrews 20 mins ago so should arrive at ORD within an hour.

https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=adfdf8

gabik001 · Thu Oct 07, 2021 6:36 pm

se210 wrote:
gabik001 wrote:
82-8000 just left Andrews 20 mins ago so should arrive at ORD within an hour.

https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=adfdf8

I was monitoring since left Fort Wayne area. She flew over my house but heard only engines noise due to low clouds. Landed on 9C as expected around 12:50pm..

se210 · Thu Oct 07, 2021 8:19 pm

Hi Fly Malta A340 9H-SUN inbound to ORD from ANC. This airline normally does ANC-LCK (Columbus-Rickenbacker) but did a right turn around Traverse City,MI (maybe weather related in Ohio)

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/HFM621/history/20211007/1200Z/PANC/KORD
https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=4d2126
https://www.flightradar24.com/HFM621/296b5055

se210 · Thu Oct 07, 2021 8:40 pm

USAF C17 97-0048 inbound to ORD for the usual post-President visit logistics pickup.
https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=ae07fa

gabik001 · Thu Oct 07, 2021 9:21 pm

se210 wrote:
USAF C17 97-0048 inbound to ORD for the usual post-President visit logistics pickup.
https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=ae07fa

It is slowly moving N on BB taxiway. AirForce 1 should depart pretty soon.

ORDfan · Fri Oct 08, 2021 4:32 pm

August traffic stats posted.

Healthy upward trend through summer of course; Q4 is going to be interesting this year. Will ORD be able to crack 60m pax this year if we have a busy, more normal holiday season??

https://www.flychicago.com/SiteCollecti ... UMMARY.pdf

https://www.flychicago.com/SiteCollecti ... UMMARY.pdf

yeogeo · Fri Oct 08, 2021 10:51 pm

yeogeo wrote:
gabik001 wrote:
VI A124 RA82077 arrived today at 4:50am from ANC ... Its been a while that wny russian build a/c landed at ORD.

Ooh! Product #400

RA-82077 is one of 12 operated by Volga-Dnepr Airlines

This evening I see another Voga-Dnepr Antonov An-124, this time RA-82079 operating as VI5233.
As I type its in the conga line for departure to KEF. That should turn some heads.

yeogeo · Sat Oct 09, 2021 1:04 am

Viva Air Columbia has applied to the Colombian authorities to fly BOG-ORD, among more than 30 other international routes.
We'll see if anything comes of it.

https://www.aviacionline.com/2021/10/vi ... al-routes/

gabik001 · Sat Oct 09, 2021 2:43 am

yeogeo wrote:
yeogeo wrote:
gabik001 wrote:
VI A124 RA82077 arrived today at 4:50am from ANC ... Its been a while that wny russian build a/c landed at ORD.

Ooh! Product #400

RA-82077 is one of 12 operated by Volga-Dnepr Airlines

This evening I see another Voga-Dnepr Antonov An-124, this time RA-82079 operating as VI5233.
As I type its in the conga line for departure to KEF. That should turn some heads.

Landed early morning from ANC and departed 2 hours late (scheduled was at 4:10pm - departed at 6:15pm). I saw her turning NE when climbing out of ORD.

gabik001 · Mon Oct 11, 2021 7:52 pm

gabik001 wrote:
VI A124 RA82077 arrived today at 4:50am from ANC and just received alert that should depart to ANC pretty soon (just showed up on NE Cargo). Its been a while that wny russian build a/c landed at ORD.

I am gonna quote myself and again the same aircraft will arrive at ORD within an hour as VDA5234, just a heads up. Weather not cooperating, but if someone likes water mist when thrust reverses applied then it is the good time to take a shot today

. ETA 3:42 pm

Also I saw today two ET Dreamliners (788 and789) that landed at the morning from SNN 40 miniutes apart.

gabik001 · Mon Oct 11, 2021 9:42 pm

There is also HFM551 A332 waiting since 2 am at JJ1 and RR to enter S Cargo.
Maleth-Aero 9H-JFS as MLT2022 is desceding seems like to ORD. All arrivals from west now.

yeogeo · Mon Oct 11, 2021 10:45 pm

gabik001 wrote:
There is also HFM551 A332 waiting since 2 am at JJ1 and RR to enter S Cargo.

It's at Southeast Cargo now it looks like - That's one beautiful A333!

yeogeo · Mon Oct 11, 2021 11:06 pm

gabik001 wrote:
Maleth-Aero 9H-JFS as MLT2022 is desceding seems like to ORD. All arrivals from west now.

Couldn't figure why I couldn't find a photo of this 332. It's to be expected: it begin its flight history with this reg last week.

Here it is in MEX in it's former life:

Its in all white now with Flight Service titles, as shown in this link:
https://currently.att.yahoo.com/att/ael ... 00472.html

gabik001 · Tue Oct 12, 2021 12:30 am

yeogeo wrote:
gabik001 wrote:
Maleth-Aero 9H-JFS as MLT2022 is desceding seems like to ORD. All arrivals from west now.

Couldn't figure why I couldn't find a photo of this 332. It's to be expected: it begin its flight history with this reg last week.

Here it is in MEX in it's former life:

Its in all white now with Flight Service titles, as shown in this link:
https://currently.att.yahoo.com/att/ael ... 00472.html

Actually I was monitoring it once found it descent and that flight landed at RFD. I think I need to go to RFD one day for a spotting but first have to find when something unusual will arrive there.

ILikeTrains · Tue Oct 12, 2021 1:08 am

What are the chances of 4L being lengthened? Its short length seems to be a limiting factor during heavy crosswind days for departures

MLIAA · Tue Oct 12, 2021 6:36 pm

ILikeTrains wrote:
What are the chances of 4L being lengthened? Its short length seems to be a limiting factor during heavy crosswind days for departures

Not going to happen. Can’t extend to the NE because of Higgins Rd, can’t extend SW because that’s where the new terminals will be built.

These crosswind days are rare, and typically departures from the normal runways are fine. Only on a very rare day are departures performance limited with wind.

United787 · Tue Oct 12, 2021 7:24 pm

I have been anxiously awaiting an updated aerial satellite image of ORD on Google and looked around today and found that MapQuest has an updated one.

https://www.mapquest.com/search/result? ... ort%20(ORD)&page=0&mqId=7797318&index=0

Trying to figure out the date of the image and thinking Summer 2020: T5 construction had begun; runway 9C/27C is mostly complete but doesn't look open (that happened in 11/2020; the grass looks greenish/brownish so I initially thought winter but could be mid-summer dry spell.

Edit: If you zoom in past 300m the image reverts to an old one.

Rl12383 · Tue Oct 12, 2021 7:50 pm

United787 wrote:
I have been anxiously awaiting an updated aerial satellite image of ORD on Google and looked around today and found that MapQuest has an updated one.

https://www.mapquest.com/search/result? ... ort%20(ORD)&page=0&mqId=7797318&index=0

Trying to figure out the date of the image and thinking Summer 2020: T5 construction had begun; runway 9C/27C is mostly complete but doesn't look open (that happened in 11/2020; the grass looks greenish/brownish so I initially thought winter but could be mid-summer dry spell.

Edit: If you zoom in past 300m the image reverts to an old one.

Google earth has images from May of this year.

ZBA2CGX · Tue Oct 12, 2021 7:50 pm

For recent satellite photo's, check out the starting page at
https://eos.com/blog/free-satellite-imagery-sources/

Then the links inside there to filter for dates and areas.
Example for 27-Sept-2021

https://apps.sentinel-hub.com/eo-browse ... TRUE_COLOR

There is a timelapse option, so you can see the changes overtime. You have to sign up in order to save it.

United787 · Tue Oct 12, 2021 8:16 pm

Rl12383 wrote:
Google earth has images from May of this year.

All I see is 5/2018

ZBA2CGX · Tue Oct 12, 2021 8:42 pm

ZBA2CGX wrote:
For recent satellite photo's, check out the starting page at
https://eos.com/blog/free-satellite-imagery-sources/

Then the links inside there to filter for dates and areas.
Example for 27-Sept-2021

https://apps.sentinel-hub.com/eo-browse ... TRUE_COLOR

There is a timelapse option, so you can see the changes overtime. You have to sign up in order to save it.

click through to see all the changes since 2017, each image is about a year apart
https://apps.sentinel-hub.com/eo-browse ... ddfd17cbc0

United787 · Tue Oct 12, 2021 9:02 pm

Thank you!

yeogeo · Wed Oct 13, 2021 1:46 pm

Taking a step back in time to 1974 with this photograph showing a UA 747-100 and the former ORD International Terminal in the background (precursor to the current T-1).

Can anyone tell me the name of the airline, seen in the background, whose 747 bears an insignia in the form of a backwards L?
I was around O'Hare at that time but can't remember this airline, although it looks familiar. This has puzzled me for some time.
Extra points for identifying the other a/c in this image!

bostonvancouver · Wed Oct 13, 2021 1:51 pm

yeogeo wrote:
Taking a step back in time to 1974 with this photograph showing a UA 747-100 and the former ORD International Terminal in the background (precursor to the current T-1).

Can anyone tell me the name of the airline, seen in the background, whose 747 bears an insignia in the form of a backwards L?
I was around O'Hare at that time but can't remember this airline, although it looks familiar. This has puzzled me for some time.
Extra points for identifying the other a/c in this image!

It's Air France.
https://corporate.airfrance.com/sites/default/files/boeing_747_air_france.jpg

ORD3 · Wed Oct 13, 2021 2:29 pm

Speaking of the old T1, there used to be a 10-15 minute video on YouTube documenting its last day of operations. The video title was "O'Hare International Airport Terminal 1-last day 14March 1985". It's link was https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afJeeJENZvM.

Unfortunately YouTube has taken down the channel for an unknown reason (I don't recall any unusual/offensive content on the channel). It was a neat channel in general, lots of great old videos from around Chicago and other videos of miscellaneous aviation. If anyone else has seen this video and possibly knows its source, I'd love to work with someone to get the video back online.

yeogeo · Wed Oct 13, 2021 2:30 pm

bostonvancouver wrote:
It's Air France.
https://corporate.airfrance.com/sites/default/files/boeing_747_air_france.jpg

Wow, that was fast -thanks!!

Planeboy17 · Wed Oct 13, 2021 7:30 pm

It’s an awesome photo. Other gems I see are a TWA L1011 in starstream colors in the background in front of the TWA hangar. An AA 707 to the right of the AF 747. A Capital Airlines DC8 parked at the International Terminal, a Eastern DC9 in the white colors, a Piedmont 737 in the old pacemaker colors and a Braniff 727 in the beautiful green BI flying colors. There is a DC10 that appears to be AA which could be from Acapulco or MEX which they flew nonstop from ORD with DC10s in the late 60s early 70s. There is also what looks to be a 747 parked at the IT just in front of the tail of the UA 74. I think it’s a Pan Am 747 because of the US flag. The only US airlines with 74s in white that flew internationally from ORD would’ve been TWA and Pan Am back then but TWA’s flag was slanted and PA’s was straight which this one appears to be.

emcm541 · Thu Oct 14, 2021 12:31 pm

United is launching ORD-MXP for summer 2022.

https://thepointsguy.com/news/united-ai ... utes-2022/

Additionally, EDI and ZHR, are set to resume/finally start on UA per the UA Instagram post.

gabik001 · Thu Oct 14, 2021 12:48 pm

Ethiopian Cargo B77L again today around 4:30pm from ANC.

diamondchap · Thu Oct 14, 2021 1:09 pm

emcm541 wrote:

Additionally, EDI and ZHR, are set to resume/finally start on UA per the UA Instagram post.

Where does it mention ORD-EDI resuming? This (https://www.instagram.com/p/CVAhzKarBHa/) mentions only IAD-EDI. ORD-EDI is for sale, but it would be good to see some official confirmation that it's returning.

emcm541 · Thu Oct 14, 2021 1:12 pm

diamondchap wrote:
emcm541 wrote:

Additionally, EDI and ZHR, are set to resume/finally start on UA per the UA Instagram post.

Where does it mention ORD-EDI resuming? This (https://www.instagram.com/p/CVAhzKarBHa/) mentions only IAD-EDI. ORD-EDI is for sale, but it would be good to see some official confirmation that it's returning.

About 20 seconds in or so in the video (buttons on the backpack scene), the last entry for resuming routes listed ORD-EDI. No date when it will resume, just that it is.

scaledesigns · Thu Oct 14, 2021 2:12 pm

gabik001 wrote:
Ethiopian Cargo B77L again today around 4:30pm from ANC.

That flight is coming from Vietnam and they seemed to have switched from LAX to ORD, maybe trying to avoid the cargo mess in LA. CFS US customs west of ORD has been going crazy, as bad as last year. I think they are rerouting even more cargo traffic into ORD and RFD now.

diamondchap · Thu Oct 14, 2021 2:27 pm

emcm541 wrote:
About 20 seconds in or so in the video (buttons on the backpack scene), the last entry for resuming routes listed ORD-EDI. No date when it will resume, just that it is.

See it now, thanks.

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