Chicago Aviation Thread - 2021

SRQLOT · Sat Sep 18, 2021 11:26 am

jplatts wrote:
Here are the number of passengers, number of seats, and load factors for WN flights out of ORD in June 2021:
AUS-ORD - 4915 passengers, 6721 seats, 73.13% load factor
BNA-ORD - 17757 passengers, 28171 seats, 63.03% load factor
BWI-ORD - 18386 passengers, 26312 seats, 69.88% load factor
DAL-ORD - 23572 passengers, 29029 seats, 81.20% load factor
DEN-ORD - 33558 passengers, 40565 seats, 82.73% load factor
FLL-ORD - 1399 passengers, 1716 seats, 81.53% load factor
LAS-ORD - 7305 passengers, 7722 seats, 94.60% load factor
MCO-ORD - 9605 passengers, 10614 seats, 90.49% load factor
ORD-PHX - 16697 passengers, 17971 seats, 92.91% load factor
ORD-RSW - 1532 passengers, 2431 seats, 63.02% load factor
ORD-TPA - 2867 passengers, 4322 seats, 66.34% load factor

Looks like RSW and TPA did slow down a bit. I flew WN on. ORD -BNA - SRQ 2 weeks ago and my ORD -BNA was around 60-70% load, while the flight to LAS next to us looked completely full. One major observation was during boarding seemed like 30-40% of people on 3 boardings I observed had no idea of WN boarding style. You had B and Cs line up with As even with the gate agents continuously reminding everyone. On my airplane while sitting multiple people were looking for their seat B24 and such lol, asking the flight attendant and being told it’s open seating, and asking what is that? Haha. So WN is definitely picking up a good bunch of new customers for sure.

Crosswind787 · Sun Sep 19, 2021 1:08 pm

I've been saying for years they should demolish 13L/31R at MDW and extend the A and B concourses. I had no idea they actually hd plans to do this. Hopefully next year they reevaluate and decide to do it. It would add some needed capacity to a space constrained airport and give WN and others more opportunities to grow.

wnflyguy · Sun Sep 19, 2021 9:03 pm

Crosswind787 wrote:
I've been saying for years they should demolish 13L/31R at MDW and extend the A and B concourses. I had no idea they actually hd plans to do this. Hopefully next year they reevaluate and decide to do it. It would add some needed capacity to a space constrained airport and give WN and others more opportunities to grow.

During the privatisation proposal they had even more ambitious plans for MDW.
CDA wasn’t committed to doing all of the proposed changes.
But the 2 Runways being discussed about closing have a single digit percentage usage on a good month.
Winter time operations would give plowing and anti ice crews more time to keep the 2 main Runways clear.
The biggest problem has been flooding so they have to address the drainage problems.
But things are very political in Chicago.
Heck original plans 10 yrs ago had the CTA Orange line running 24/7 ending up At Toyota Field by now and also the Green line extension to MDW..

I see 13L/31R being turns into a taxi way sooner that later since it has almost negative usage as the operating Runway 90% of the year.

Enjoy or Don’t
Flyguy

elbandgeek · Tue Sep 21, 2021 2:20 pm

wnflyguy wrote:
Crosswind787 wrote:
I've been saying for years they should demolish 13L/31R at MDW and extend the A and B concourses. I had no idea they actually hd plans to do this. Hopefully next year they reevaluate and decide to do it. It would add some needed capacity to a space constrained airport and give WN and others more opportunities to grow.

During the privatisation proposal they had even more ambitious plans for MDW.
CDA wasn’t committed to doing all of the proposed changes.
But the 2 Runways being discussed about closing have a single digit percentage usage on a good month.
Winter time operations would give plowing and anti ice crews more time to keep the 2 main Runways clear.
The biggest problem has been flooding so they have to address the drainage problems.
But things are very political in Chicago.
Heck original plans 10 yrs ago had the CTA Orange line running 24/7 ending up At Toyota Field by now and also the Green line extension to MDW..

I see 13L/31R being turns into a taxi way sooner that later since it has almost negative usage as the operating Runway 90% of the year.

Enjoy or Don’t
Flyguy

I know it had been talked about here before but I had no idea this was something CDA was actually looking into, so that's definitely a good thing. I've wondered for a while how challenging it would be to re-route 55th st and extend 4L/22R into the space where the economy lots currently are. With two paired parallels they wouldn't have to stagger takeoffs and landings which could increase capacity quite a bit.
As for the terminal, if they do expand, they absolutely have to include a tunnel between A and B because that is already too long of a walk from one end to the other. If the tunnel connected to the satellite as well they could probably get away with taking out the existing walkway and maybe fit another gate in the space.

ORDfan · Wed Sep 22, 2021 6:48 pm

Purely by accident, I noticed Omni Air's 777-2U8ER on flightradar last night. Departed ORD just after 23:00, did a hard 180 and flew west-bound.

Of course no origin or departure noted. Anyone know what she was doing in town, and where she was headed?

scaledesigns · Wed Sep 22, 2021 8:14 pm

ORDfan wrote:
Purely by accident, I noticed Omni Air's 777-2U8ER on flightradar last night. Departed ORD just after 23:00, did a hard 180 and flew west-bound.

Of course no origin or departure noted. Anyone know what she was doing in town, and where she was headed?

I saw it a few weeks ago landing, and also flight blocked. He parked at Northeast cargo by the Amazon ramp area.

se210 · Wed Sep 22, 2021 8:28 pm

Purely by accident, I noticed Omni Air's 777-2U8ER on flightradar last night. Departed ORD just after 23:00, did a hard 180 and flew west-bound.
Of course no origin or departure noted. Anyone know what she was doing in town, and where she was headed?

N828AX 777-2U8ER #33682

ORD-AFW
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/CMB321/history/20210922/0410Z/KORD/KAFW
https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=ab4ea9&lat=33.000&lon=-97.313&zoom=5.0&showTrace=2021-09-22

SOF-ORD
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/CMB321/history/20210921/1328Z/LBSF/KORD
https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=ab4ea9&lat=30.155&lon=-41.415&zoom=3.0&showTrace=2021-09-21

freakyrat · Wed Sep 22, 2021 10:27 pm

I can understand some things with Covid but I passed through Midway on a connecting flight and as far as ammentities go They moved everything around at Midway and put some of those Chicago favorites in the middle of the concourse. A lot of my favorite places on the Food Court were closed and this was at 5:00 PM. Personally outside of the new security area which I did not use I would give the city of Chicago a D minus on what they did to Midway. The place sucks now.

freakyrat · Wed Sep 22, 2021 10:36 pm

Crosswind787 wrote:
I've been saying for years they should demolish 13L/31R at MDW and extend the A and B concourses. I had no idea they actually hd plans to do this. Hopefully next year they reevaluate and decide to do it. It would add some needed capacity to a space constrained airport and give WN and others more opportunities to grow.

Just passed through there last night. It looks like they put in a new drive through deice pad.

As far as the shops etc. The place sucks now. They moved a favorite Nuts on Clark away from it's central location and by A5. Who made that decision? Sure it's nice to try the IAH or EWR thing of putting bars or that Pizza place and bar in the middle of Concourse B but the concourse is narrow as it is without making it narrower. Most of the food court was shut down at 5 PM.

gabik001 · Thu Sep 23, 2021 3:14 am

Just found that QR B748 A7-BGA will visit ORD tomorrow morning around 4am from AUS. Then will depart to LGG about 6:30 am. Hoping for some delays to get her during daylight... Cargo flight as QR8860 /8861, I think it will be first visit of QR B748 at ORD. Now a/c is heading AUS from IAD.

se210 · Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:21 am

gabik001 wrote:
Just found that QR B748 A7-BGA will visit ORD tomorrow morning around 4am from AUS. Then will depart to LGG about 6:30 am. Hoping for some delays to get her during daylight... Cargo flight as QR8860 /8861, I think it will be first visit of QR B748 at ORD. Now a/c is heading AUS from IAD.

Looks like you got your wish, Arrival delayed to 5:19AM
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/QTR8861
https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=06a2c8
Sunrise at ORD today is 6:41AM.

se210 · Thu Sep 23, 2021 11:07 am

A7-BGA landed on 28C at 05:21AM. Luckily the long taxi to Northeast Cargo Ramp via taxiways BB / E and a hold on E just before M waiting for QFA7550 (N854GT) to depart from the Northeast Cargo Ramp and takeoff on 27C at 05:42AM, meant that the rest of taxi via M / NN / NN1 was not complete until 05:51AM. Scheduled to depart at 06:50AM for LGG (Liege, Belgium) but that might be a bit ambitious. See https://flightaware.com/live/flight/QTR8861/history/20210923/1125Z/KORD/EBLG . As you probably know, you can also monitor on the ground and takeoff via https://www.airportviewer.com/airport/ORD as soon as it pushes back from the Northeast Cargo Ramp and is on ORD ground radar. Should be ample light by then for photographs.

yeogeo · Thu Sep 23, 2021 11:38 am

She has an interesting history -see caption in photograph of the a/c in flight below.

A7-BGA, one of two in Qatar Cargo's fleet
https://www.qrcargo.com/ourfleet

gabik001 · Thu Sep 23, 2021 1:20 pm

Just sitting in a car on the hill. QR departure scheduled at 8:25a but seems to be later. So far a lot of clouds on the east, no sunshine here. Seems like G-EODS had an engine issue and now can be seen at west deicing pad with some work being performed at portside engine.
Also CKS 744 in new paint scheme is about to depart. Hoping to get more sunshine…

se210 · Thu Sep 23, 2021 1:45 pm

Taxing now on D coming up on PP. See https://www.airportviewer.com/airport/ORD (you can connect as Guest).

gabik001 · Thu Sep 23, 2021 3:27 pm

Departed from 27C around 8:50am. Was holding a while on PP so I decided to move more north since was thinking that departure will be from 27C.

yeogeo · Mon Sep 27, 2021 1:02 am

Can anyone tell me about this 727 parked at the Central De-Icing Facility?

Taken when passing through O'Hare today (26 September). I seem to remember the insignia on the tail was red.
Sorry about the poor quality- I had just seconds to capture it and the window was streaky.

Trioer · Mon Sep 27, 2021 1:28 am

yeogeo wrote:
Can anyone tell me about this 727 parked at the Central De-Icing Facility?

Taken when passing through O'Hare today (26 September). I seem to remember the insignia on the tail was red.
Sorry about the poor quality- I had just seconds to capture it and the window was streaky.

I saw that as well but from the other side. Really couldn't make it out very well.
Also, we were gate held in Columbus for about 30 minutes. Pilot said drone activity at O'hare and there was a ground stop or something. Was this true? I havent been able to find any info on this.

gabik001 · Mon Sep 27, 2021 2:05 am

yeogeo wrote:
Can anyone tell me about this 727 parked at the Central De-Icing Facility?

Taken when passing through O'Hare today (26 September). I seem to remember the insignia on the tail was red.
Sorry about the poor quality- I had just seconds to capture it and the window was streaky.

It's "Felicia", former FX plane donated by FedEx after withdrawn from service. It is for training purposes for deicing crews and ARFF. She performed last flight back in 2014 as N257FE and was parked at S cargo for while until stripped from FX markings, engine core removed etc.

ORDLHR787 · Mon Sep 27, 2021 6:03 am

Pics of T5 expansion here:

https://urbanize.city/chicago/post/ohar ... ion-photos

piedmontf284000 · Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:47 am

ORDLHR787 wrote:
Pics of T5 expansion here:

https://urbanize.city/chicago/post/ohar ... ion-photos

It seems like a tremendous amount of wasted space in between the APM tracks and the expanded terminal. It seems that there is enough room there to have had a second entrance for the terminal which would have alleviated some of the congestion for the current departure/arrival levels. Not sure if this space is being set off for future expansion or if this is going to become parking. On another note, the gray shed that is next to M7, is that a temporary structure or is it going to stay once the expansion is finished? What is it used for? Is it a storage facility for Construction equipment or is it for ground service equipment? If anyone knows, thanks.

glbltrvlr · Mon Sep 27, 2021 12:16 pm

That extended jetway up at the top will be insane. The terminal should have been extended up there.

gabik001 · Mon Sep 27, 2021 1:02 pm

And that light hue in the last picture... Who lives near ORD knows directions and when we got that kind of color... Seems like mid winter at the morning but too much red and when looking on the tower shade it never happens...

MLIAA · Mon Sep 27, 2021 1:44 pm

glbltrvlr wrote:
That extended jetway up at the top will be insane. The terminal should have been extended up there.

Terminals cost a heck of a lot more than jetbridges do, L10C at Terminal 3 is a great example. No need to extend the terminal all the way up there for one gate.

United787 · Mon Sep 27, 2021 7:12 pm

MLIAA wrote:
glbltrvlr wrote:
That extended jetway up at the top will be insane. The terminal should have been extended up there.

Terminals cost a heck of a lot more than jetbridges do, L10C at Terminal 3 is a great example. No need to extend the terminal all the way up there for one gate.

I'll take a long jet bridge over a hard stand with buses Euro style any day of the week.

Terminal is coming along fast. I hope the inside of the terminal is as slick as the roof is rendered

I feel like getting the T5 completed in 2022 will put some pressure on the Global Terminal project since this is one of the major pieces of the overall project that has to be completed before T2 can be touched. Now they need to crack the whip on getting the satellite concourses under construction now...

gabik001 · Mon Sep 27, 2021 8:09 pm

Ethiopian Cargo ET3638 (ET-ARJ) on the way to ORD. ETA 7pm. It might be dark but worth to try since ET Cargo in not every day visitor here. Suncalc says sunset at 6:41p, dusk at 7:09p. Not good...

jayunited · Mon Sep 27, 2021 9:17 pm

United787 wrote:
I'll take a long jet bridge over a hard stand with buses Euro style any day of the week.

Terminal is coming along fast. I hope the inside of the terminal is as slick as the roof is rendered

I feel like getting the T5 completed in 2022 will put some pressure on the Global Terminal project since this is one of the major pieces of the overall project that has to be completed before T2 can be touched. Now they need to crack the whip on getting the satellite concourses under construction now...

According to this 2019 article construction on the two satellite terminals is/was (not sure if COVID has impacted the schedule) scheduled to begin in 2022 around the time Terminal 5 construction wraps up. However Terminal 2 will not be completely demolished until the satellites are built and open to keep ORD (United Airlines) from loosing any gates during construction.

https://chicago.curbed.com/2019/7/8/206 ... gs-merrill

kordcj · Tue Sep 28, 2021 12:13 am

gabik001 wrote:
Ethiopian Cargo ET3638 (ET-ARJ) on the way to ORD. ETA 7pm. It might be dark but worth to try since ET Cargo in not every day visitor here. Suncalc says sunset at 6:41p, dusk at 7:09p. Not good...

Just looked to where they’re going. FR24 reports them going to BKK nonstop from ORD operating as ET3649. That has to be incorrect.

gabik001 · Tue Sep 28, 2021 12:43 am

I caught ET-ARI back in June 2020 as ET3500 from ADD via LGG and flown back to ADD via BRU. ET-AVN visited ORD in August this year and ET-AWE came in July. We will see ET Cargo here more often.

glbltrvlr · Wed Sep 29, 2021 2:29 am

MLIAA wrote:
glbltrvlr wrote:
That extended jetway up at the top will be insane. The terminal should have been extended up there.

Terminals cost a heck of a lot more than jetbridges do, L10C at Terminal 3 is a great example. No need to extend the terminal all the way up there for one gate.

Actually, there is a very good reason. When you are boarding more than one mainline from the end of the concourse you end up with limited gate area seating and large crowds standing in the hall near the gates. Look at any of the global premier airports and noone puts jetbridges that close together.

Planeboy17 · Thu Sep 30, 2021 3:24 am

Just arrived on DL(YX) from JFK today and saw something I don’t believe has happened in 20 years, maybe more. UA mainline jets were parked on the F gates. Not just 1 but 3. There was a 320 and 2 73s. This was on the inside F gates. There were also some 73s on the E gates as well.

Planeboy17 · Thu Sep 30, 2021 3:28 am

I forgot to ask on my previous post that I saw a Cargojet 767 arrive from YVR yesterday. Does anyone happen to have any info about this? I believe it is the first time Cargojet has landed at ORD. I’m curious if this is substituting for Air Canada or was this just a one off. I know the AC flights have stopped.

yeogeo · Thu Sep 30, 2021 12:07 pm

We'll soon be saying goodbye to the last MD-11 freighter in Lufthansa's possession. D-ALCC is scheduled to arrive at its FRA base for the last time on October 15th.

"The aircraft has been given a special livery for its final few flights. The phrases ‘farewell’ and ‘thank you, MD-11’ have been applied to the jet’s fuselage. It will wear this livery with pride as it undertakes its final rotations to Cairo, Tel Aviv, Chicago, and New York."

LH cargo flights at O'Hare will likely be replaced by their new triple seven freighters.
The 23 year old aircraft is to be acquired by Florida-based Western Global Airlines, so we may see her again at O'Hare from time to time.

https://simpleflying.com/lufthansa-md-1 ... ple+Flying.

gabik001 · Thu Sep 30, 2021 1:23 pm

yeogeo wrote:
We'll soon be saying goodbye to the last MD-11 freighter in Lufthansa's possession. D-ALCC is scheduled to arrive at its FRA base for the last time on October 15th.

"The aircraft has been given a special livery for its final few flights. The phrases ‘farewell’ and ‘thank you, MD-11’ have been applied to the jet’s fuselage. It will wear this livery with pride as it undertakes its final rotations to Cairo, Tel Aviv, Chicago, and New York."

LH cargo flights at O'Hare will likely be replaced by their new triple seven freighters.
The 23 year old aircraft is to be acquired by Florida-based Western Global Airlines, so we may see her again at O'Hare from time to time.

https://simpleflying.com/lufthansa-md-1 ... ple+Flying.

I saw few of them at OSC as parts donors most likely. I think WGA has a service facility there like CKS.

gabik001 · Thu Sep 30, 2021 1:28 pm

Planeboy17 wrote:
I forgot to ask on my previous post that I saw a Cargojet 767 arrive from YVR yesterday. Does anyone happen to have any info about this? I believe it is the first time Cargojet has landed at ORD. I’m curious if this is substituting for Air Canada or was this just a one off. I know the AC flights have stopped.

They flying to ORD from time to time. Every Sunday morning you can see B763 with Cargojet titles. They used to fly to ORD years before from KTW as a LOT Cargo, later on used B757 from various canadian airports. I saw B727 of Cargojet here only once. I dont know if they still has them and if they still have B757's...

se210 · Thu Sep 30, 2021 1:52 pm

Planeboy17 wrote:
I forgot to ask on my previous post that I saw a Cargojet 767 arrive from YVR yesterday. Does anyone happen to have any info about this? I believe it is the first time Cargojet has landed at ORD. I’m curious if this is substituting for Air Canada or was this just a one off. I know the AC flights have stopped.

C-FMIJ Boeing 767-328/ER(BDSF) SN#:27135 ex-Air France

PVG-NRT-YVR-ORD-YHM
https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=c0208a&lat=41.245&lon=-103.222&zoom=4.0&showTrace=2021-09-28 (Click on previous / next buttons under History / UTC day to see other flight days)
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/CJT1426/history/20210928/1215Z/CYVR/KORD (Scroll down to see Activity Log)

Although not a frequent visitor, Cargojet has flown to ORD before.

Planeboy17 · Thu Sep 30, 2021 2:20 pm

gabik001 wrote:
Planeboy17 wrote:
I forgot to ask on my previous post that I saw a Cargojet 767 arrive from YVR yesterday. Does anyone happen to have any info about this? I believe it is the first time Cargojet has landed at ORD. I’m curious if this is substituting for Air Canada or was this just a one off. I know the AC flights have stopped.

They flying to ORD from time to time. Every Sunday morning you can see B763 with Cargojet titles. They used to fly to ORD years before from KTW as a LOT Cargo, later on used B757 from various canadian airports. I saw B727 of Cargojet here only once. I dont know if they still has them and if they still have B757's...

Thanks Gabik, I forgot about the LOT cargo flying. They don’t have 727s anymore but they do have the 75s.

ckfred · Fri Oct 01, 2021 8:01 pm

I was dropping off my wife at ORD this morning and saw several ATS trains, all with signs saying "Test Train." I saw trains a year ago running with the same signage.

What is being tested? Is the ride rough? Are there switching problems? Do the trains not stop in the right spots at the station stops?

I know that the City and the general contractor will be tied up in litigation long after the trains are running with passengers, but there should be some information as to what is being tested, and what needs to be accomplished, in order to open the ATS and get rid of the shuttle buses.

Boeing and the FAA kept the public better appraised as to solving the problems with the 737 MAX.

ORDLHR787 · Sat Oct 02, 2021 12:53 pm

No one knows. Its a massive cover up of incompetence.

yeogeo · Sat Oct 02, 2021 11:29 pm

ORDLHR787 wrote:
No one knows. Its a massive cover up of incompetence.

Until the project is done I suspect silence will be the name of the game. Once its done :crossfingers:

we may hear more.

Also:

Delta is flyine an ORD - DTW this evening with A332 N854NW (DL 9968 - it looks like the hard stand east of T-5 is its origin). A charter? Any info?
Can't say I've ever seen an A330 in Delta colors at O'Hare before.

yeogeo · Sat Oct 02, 2021 11:47 pm

... and carrying on with odd-balls tonight

Hi Fly Malta just flew in from ANC with A343 9H-FOX, which, correct me if I'm wrong, doesn't visit too often, if at all.
-there's a little info on the a/c in the caption of the photos above.

Planeboy17 · Sun Oct 03, 2021 4:51 am

yeogeo wrote:
ORDLHR787 wrote:
No one knows. Its a massive cover up of incompetence.

Until the project is done I suspect silence will be the name of the game. Once its done we may hear more.

Also:

Delta is flyine an ORD - DTW this evening with A332 N854NW (DL 9968 - it looks like the hard stand east of T-5 is its origin). A charter? Any info?
Can't say I've ever seen an A330 in Delta colors at O'Hare before.

Delta flew 330s into ORD after retiring the 777s. They had a cargo contract with flights from FRA. Not sure when it ended, guessing sometime this past spring?

timberwolf24 · Sun Oct 03, 2021 5:36 pm

EL AL is scheduled to resume ORD-TLV flights on March 27, 2022. Schedule per EL AL's website is as follows;

LY 23 Dep TLV 12:00pm Arr ORD 4:30pm Sun, Tue, Thur. 787-8
LY 24 DEP ORD 7:15pm Arr TLV 2:35pm+1 Sun, Tue Thur. 787-8

Mexicana757 · Sun Oct 03, 2021 8:41 pm

freakyrat wrote:
I can understand some things with Covid but I passed through Midway on a connecting flight and as far as ammentities go They moved everything around at Midway and put some of those Chicago favorites in the middle of the concourse. A lot of my favorite places on the Food Court were closed and this was at 5:00 PM. Personally outside of the new security area which I did not use I would give the city of Chicago a D minus on what they did to Midway. The place sucks now.

FYI the Midway modernization in the concessions area is not complete. Its barely half way done. The central market area hasn't had much work done to it. Below are renderings of what the central market area is suppose to look like once the concessions redevelopment is complete. Concourse A has had most of the work done to the concessions but still has some spots that need work. Concourse B has had very few concessions worked on.

ORDfan · Sun Oct 03, 2021 9:14 pm

yeogeo wrote:
ORDLHR787 wrote:
No one knows. Its a massive cover up of incompetence.

Until the project is done I suspect silence will be the name of the game. Once its done we may hear more.

Also:

Delta is flyine an ORD - DTW this evening with A332 N854NW (DL 9968 - it looks like the hard stand east of T-5 is its origin). A charter? Any info?
Can't say I've ever seen an A330 in Delta colors at O'Hare before.

Dropping off the Detroit Lions for the Bears game possibly?

se210 · Sun Oct 03, 2021 10:04 pm

ORDfan wrote:
Dropping off the Detroit Lions for the Bears game possibly?

Yes, looks like it and taking them back this afternoon...

Saturday Oct 2,2021

DL8862 DTW-ORD N854NW A330-223 MSN#620
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL8862/history (Same flight number used for Lions trip to GRB for the 9/20 game)

DL9968 ORD-DTW N854NW A330-223 MSN#620
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL9968/history
https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=abb775&lat=41.944&lon=-86.629&zoom=7.0&showTrace=2021-10-02

Sunday Oct 3,2021

DL9967 DTW-ORD N809NW A330-323 MSN#663
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL9967/history
https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=ab048d&lat=41.976&lon=-87.879&zoom=7.0&showTrace=2021-10-03

DL8862 ORD-DTW N809NW A330-323 MSN#663
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL8862/history

yeogeo · Sun Oct 03, 2021 11:49 pm

timberwolf24 wrote:
EL AL is scheduled to resume ORD-TLV flights on March 27, 2022.

Good news! Glad to have them coming back.
Should be interesting to watch LY and UA compete on the route now.
Both seem intent on 3X/week so far. How does the route perform summer vs winter?
Did El Al codeshare with American on their short lived pre-covid flights?

yeogeo · Sun Oct 03, 2021 11:52 pm

se210 wrote:
ORDfan wrote:
Dropping off the Detroit Lions for the Bears game possibly?

Yes, looks like it and taking them back this afternoon...

Nice sleuthing se210 !

ORD Boy 2 · Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:00 am

yeogeo wrote:
timberwolf24 wrote:
EL AL is scheduled to resume ORD-TLV flights on March 27, 2022.

Good news! Glad to have them coming back.
Should be interesting to watch LY and UA compete on the route now.
Both seem intent on 3X/week so far. How does the route perform summer vs winter?
Did El Al codeshare with American on their short lived pre-covid flights?

The flights were 12 days away from launch when COVID forced LY to pull the plug. If LY is coming back, they are going to have an uphill battle after their "false start" last time from the ORD side. UA will own that.

freakyrat · Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:06 am

Mexicana757. I had no idea Midway was going to remodel the concession area. Thanks for posting the pictures.

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