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Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2021

Thu Dec 31, 2020 3:10 pm

Welcome to the Kansas City Aviation Thread 2021. Please continue to post your news and your discussion here.

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Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2021

Sat Jan 02, 2021 7:43 pm

Let this thread serve as the official thread for Kansas City aviation for 2021.

As with practically every other airport, service was decimated. Here are a few routes that haven’t been reinstated. IND, PVR, PUJ, CVG, SAT, ABQ, RDU, CHS (announced by WN but never started)

MCI also appears to have been largely left out of the glut of new routes recently announced :(

- Also, AC had initially scheduled the CRJ900 for spring but of course that was scrapped and was reverted back to the CRJ200 :mad: . AC has served MCI for over 20 years with the same aircraft and loads have been reliably good. It’s time for an upgrade.

Positive highlights for 2020 and 2021
- New concourse superstructure is nearly complete and window panes are being implemented. Parking garage underway.
- AA brought back seasonal CUN flights
- UPS announcement of large expansion of facilities
- AS will upgage PDX to a 738 Q2 2021
- AA will offer 2x mainline (A319) flights to PHL

Hopes for 2021
- We recover most of our routes. It appears we’ve permanently lost IND and CVG.

- B6 finally stops treating us like lepers and adds MCI like they said they would in 2003. They’re on the move, they finally have a good aircraft for the route (A220), JFK is wide open and BOS only has DL. SJU could also be an opportunity as it’s one of the largest unserved leisure routes from MCI. Let’s go!!

- WN adds a new city or two such as CLE, SJC, CMH or JAX

- Breeze. Unlikely to add MCI this year but we fit their profile and there’s plenty of routes they could serve.


Long term hopes.
- FI returns with their MAX

- HA or F9 will announce seasonal HNL flights with the A321XLR. MCI is one of the top unserved cities from Hawaii. It could work. Besides, unless HA wants to enter competitive hub markets, cities like MCI are all that’s left.

- BA to LHR and/or DL to AMS/CDG. Long haul routes are unlikely until the new terminal opens in 2023 but that should be enough time for the market to recover. Why not inaugurate the new airport with new service to Europe?

- Volaris to GDL and MEX.

May 2021 be the year of recovery.
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2021

Sat Jan 02, 2021 10:37 pm

trexel94 wrote:
- B6 finally stops treating us like lepers and adds MCI like they said they would in 2003. They’re on the move, they finally have a good aircraft for the route (A220), JFK is wide open and BOS only has DL. SJU could also be an opportunity as it’s one of the largest unserved leisure routes from MCI. Let’s go!!


DL actually hasn't brought back the BOS flight yet (I was a pretty frequent traveler on the route prior to COVID). I'd love to see B6 make a move to MCI and add JFK/BOS and potentially LAX.
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2021

Sat Jan 02, 2021 10:43 pm

I’d guess anything in the summer schedule is pretty safe to come back at some point (even if it gets pushed back more). Anything not in it on the other hand...
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2021

Sun Jan 03, 2021 9:41 pm

kstateinALB wrote:
trexel94 wrote:
- B6 finally stops treating us like lepers and adds MCI like they said they would in 2003. They’re on the move, they finally have a good aircraft for the route (A220), JFK is wide open and BOS only has DL. SJU could also be an opportunity as it’s one of the largest unserved leisure routes from MCI. Let’s go!!


DL actually hasn't brought back the BOS flight yet (I was a pretty frequent traveler on the route prior to COVID). I'd love to see B6 make a move to MCI and add JFK/BOS and potentially LAX.


Taking it a step further, the only NY Area flights currently operating is UA to EWR. DL and WN have both suspended service to LGA.
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2021

Sun Jan 03, 2021 10:55 pm

evank516 wrote:
kstateinALB wrote:
trexel94 wrote:
- B6 finally stops treating us like lepers and adds MCI like they said they would in 2003. They’re on the move, they finally have a good aircraft for the route (A220), JFK is wide open and BOS only has DL. SJU could also be an opportunity as it’s one of the largest unserved leisure routes from MCI. Let’s go!!


DL actually hasn't brought back the BOS flight yet (I was a pretty frequent traveler on the route prior to COVID). I'd love to see B6 make a move to MCI and add JFK/BOS and potentially LAX.


Taking it a step further, the only NY Area flights currently operating is UA to EWR. DL and WN have both suspended service to LGA.


Slight correction - DL does have a midday flight to LGA as of right now operating. I want to say 5x weekly but could be mistaken.
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2021

Sun Jan 03, 2021 11:13 pm

trexel94 wrote:
As with practically every other airport, service was decimated. Here are a few routes that haven’t been reinstated. IND, PVR, PUJ, CVG, SAT, ABQ, RDU, CHS (announced by WN but never started)

MCI also appears to have been largely left out of the glut of new routes recently announced :(

Hopes for 2021
- We recover most of our routes. It appears we’ve permanently lost IND and CVG.

- B6 finally stops treating us like lepers and adds MCI like they said they would in 2003. They’re on the move, they finally have a good aircraft for the route (A220), JFK is wide open and BOS only has DL. SJU could also be an opportunity as it’s one of the largest unserved leisure routes from MCI. Let’s go!!

- WN adds a new city or two such as CLE, SJC, CMH or JAX


WN re-adding MCI-ABQ/IND/RDU/SMF/SAT nonstop service are possibilities once demand recovers with ABQ, IND, RDU, SMF, and SAT being top destinations not currently served nonstop from MCI.

WN adding MCI-CVG nonstop service might be a possibility post-pandemic with
(a) CVG being one of the top destinations without nonstop service from MCI,
(b) WN being able to offer connections to a few destinations further west through MCI,
(c) MCI-CVG having had higher PDEW's than MCI-ABQ in Q3 2019, even with MCI-ABQ having daily nonstop service on WN in Q3 2019, and
(d) WN having had served MCI nonstop from Midwestern cities other than CHI or STL.

WN adding MCI-ORD nonstop service is also a possibility with the significant cuts that WN has made on MCI-MDW nonstop service and with MCI being one of the top destinations traveled to from MDW on WN in 2019.

I agree that WN adding MCI-CLE/CMH/SJC nonstop service are possibilities with CLE, CMH, and SJC being top destinations without nonstop service from MCI. WN might also be able to offer connections to Hawaii from MCI through SJC if WN adds MCI-SJC nonstop service and the flights are at times that allow for connections to and from SJC-Hawaii flights.

I had also previously mentioned the possibility of WN increasing MCI-OAK nonstop service back to 2 daily nonstops with the connections that WN would be able to offer to Hawaii from MCI if WN increases MCI-OAK nonstop service to at least 2 daily nonstops.
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Jan 04, 2021 2:16 am

kstateinALB wrote:
evank516 wrote:
kstateinALB wrote:

DL actually hasn't brought back the BOS flight yet (I was a pretty frequent traveler on the route prior to COVID). I'd love to see B6 make a move to MCI and add JFK/BOS and potentially LAX.


Taking it a step further, the only NY Area flights currently operating is UA to EWR. DL and WN have both suspended service to LGA.


Slight correction - DL does have a midday flight to LGA as of right now operating. I want to say 5x weekly but could be mistaken.


Tomorrow is the last day of it. I think it was only running over Christmas/New Years.
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Jan 04, 2021 4:22 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
kstateinALB wrote:
evank516 wrote:

Taking it a step further, the only NY Area flights currently operating is UA to EWR. DL and WN have both suspended service to LGA.


Slight correction - DL does have a midday flight to LGA as of right now operating. I want to say 5x weekly but could be mistaken.


Tomorrow is the last day of it. I think it was only running over Christmas/New Years.


Well that's depressing. Thanks for providing that update.
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Jan 04, 2021 4:29 pm

kstateinALB wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
kstateinALB wrote:

Slight correction - DL does have a midday flight to LGA as of right now operating. I want to say 5x weekly but could be mistaken.


Tomorrow is the last day of it. I think it was only running over Christmas/New Years.


Well that's depressing. Thanks for providing that update.


Hard to believe it wouldn’t be back by at least summer. Not that that helps now.
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Jan 25, 2021 4:32 am

Quick look thru flights added so far for the super bowl

AA - One E175 on Friday (back Monday)
WN- 2 Thurs, 3 Fri (3 back Monday, 1 Tuesday) already had a flight on Saturday.
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Jan 25, 2021 5:41 am

SY just added CVG and IND. I think we’re the only major Midwest city without SY service at this point unless you count DTW. Any chance they’ll add us in the near future? There’s a myriad of ptp leisure routes they could try besides Florida.
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Jan 25, 2021 10:44 am

trexel94 wrote:
SY just added CVG and IND. I think we’re the only major Midwest city without SY service at this point unless you count DTW. Any chance they’ll add us in the near future? There’s a myriad of ptp leisure routes they could try besides Florida.

SY's impact to an airport is minimal. Most airports that have SY service have only a handful of weekly flights even years after service started.
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2021

Wed Feb 03, 2021 10:53 pm

Apparently B6 knows we exist. MCI, among other midwestern cities (MKE, STL & SAT) are being shortlisted for service within the next few years from BOS/JFK.

https://blog.wandr.me/2021/02/american- ... djustment/
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2021

Thu Feb 04, 2021 6:42 am

trexel94 wrote:
Apparently B6 knows we exist. MCI, among other midwestern cities (MKE, STL & SAT) are being shortlisted for service within the next few years from BOS/JFK.

https://blog.wandr.me/2021/02/american- ... djustment/



Anna Aero reporting OAG data shows that KC had high leakage in 2019 (article 1/13/2023). The OAG booking data shows 3.5 million KC trips booked indirectly. KC suffers from a lack of flights to other mid-sized markets. Anna Aero mentions that KC is well-positioned for service from JetBlue's new A220s.

https://www.anna.aero/2021/01/13/kansas ... ndirectly/
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2021

Thu Feb 04, 2021 6:43 am

New Terminal Update: Building has been topped out. All boarding bridges will be glass.
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2021

Thu Feb 04, 2021 6:15 pm

[photoid][/photoid]
trexel94 wrote:
Apparently B6 knows we exist. MCI, among other midwestern cities (MKE, STL & SAT) are being shortlisted for service within the next few years from BOS/JFK.

https://blog.wandr.me/2021/02/american- ... djustment/


Would be good to see. Wonder if DL would follow suit and upgauge to A220s on LGA-MCI?
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2021

Thu Feb 04, 2021 6:32 pm

evank516 wrote:
[photoid][/photoid]
trexel94 wrote:
Apparently B6 knows we exist. MCI, among other midwestern cities (MKE, STL & SAT) are being shortlisted for service within the next few years from BOS/JFK.

https://blog.wandr.me/2021/02/american- ... djustment/


Would be good to see. Wonder if DL would follow suit and upgauge to A220s on LGA-MCI?


MCI-LGA/SLC is the type of route I would expect to see 220s on at some point. Maybe LAX/SEA also
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2021

Sun Feb 07, 2021 1:36 am

trexel94 wrote:
Apparently B6 knows we exist. MCI, among other midwestern cities (MKE, STL & SAT) are being shortlisted for service within the next few years from BOS/JFK.

https://blog.wandr.me/2021/02/american- ... djustment/


Surprised IND and CVG aren’t listed there as well. I’d think they’d be higher up than MKE.
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2021

Sun Feb 07, 2021 2:59 am

Runway765 wrote:
trexel94 wrote:
Apparently B6 knows we exist. MCI, among other midwestern cities (MKE, STL & SAT) are being shortlisted for service within the next few years from BOS/JFK.

https://blog.wandr.me/2021/02/american- ... djustment/


Surprised IND and CVG aren’t listed there as well. I’d think they’d be higher up than MKE.


Might be because IND already has AA scheduled for BOS/JFK. No need to JetBlue to pick it up. Not that they can’t later but might just decide to keep AA as the airline on it.
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2021

Sun Feb 07, 2021 3:55 am

Jshank83 wrote:
Runway765 wrote:
trexel94 wrote:
Apparently B6 knows we exist. MCI, among other midwestern cities (MKE, STL & SAT) are being shortlisted for service within the next few years from BOS/JFK.

https://blog.wandr.me/2021/02/american- ... djustment/


Surprised IND and CVG aren’t listed there as well. I’d think they’d be higher up than MKE.


Might be because IND already has AA scheduled for BOS/JFK. No need to JetBlue to pick it up. Not that they can’t later but might just decide to keep AA as the airline on it.


Definitely -- MKE is a LaGuardia monopoly for Delta and likely the biggest one. LGA-MKE is also historically a bigger market than IND or CVG, in part because Milwaukee's NYC traffic is weighted more toward LaGuarda than comparable airports.

Average daily LGA local traffic 2014-2019, also total NYC market for comparison

LGA … all NYC
989 ….. 1539 ….. STL
776 ….. 1058 ….. MKE
710 ….. 1128 ….. MCI
663 ….. 1207 ….. CMH
641 ….. 1122 ….. CLE
632 ….. 1297 ….. IND
580 ….. 1121 ….. CVG
333 ….... 576 ….. MEM
265 ….... 478 ….. SDF
205 ….... 430 ….. OMA
199 ….... 344 ….. MSN
179 ….... 338 ….. GRR
154 ….... 267 ….. DSM
142 ….... 306 ….. OKC
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2021

Sun Feb 07, 2021 3:57 am

Jshank83 wrote:
evank516 wrote:
[photoid][/photoid]
trexel94 wrote:
Apparently B6 knows we exist. MCI, among other midwestern cities (MKE, STL & SAT) are being shortlisted for service within the next few years from BOS/JFK.

https://blog.wandr.me/2021/02/american- ... djustment/


Would be good to see. Wonder if DL would follow suit and upgauge to A220s on LGA-MCI?


MCI-LGA/SLC is the type of route I would expect to see 220s on at some point. Maybe LAX/SEA also


DL already has scheduled the A220 for SEA and has flown the aircraft a few times to SLC as well.
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2021

Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:59 pm

AA/B6 adds MCI-LGA starting September 8th. Year round.
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Feb 22, 2021 7:57 pm

twice daily on the new LGA flight
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Feb 22, 2021 9:39 pm

Isn’t this AA’s 3rd attempt to run MCI-LGA?
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Feb 23, 2021 2:42 am

Jshank83 wrote:
evank516 wrote:
[photoid][/photoid]
trexel94 wrote:
Apparently B6 knows we exist. MCI, among other midwestern cities (MKE, STL & SAT) are being shortlisted for service within the next few years from BOS/JFK. r as

https://blog.wandr.me/2021/02/american- ... djustment/


Would be good to see. Wonder if DL would follow suit and upgauge to A220s on LGA-MCI?


MCI-LGA/SLC is the type of route I would expect to see 220s on at some point. Maybe LAX/SEA also


If they can do that in a few weeks, i'll be a happy flyer.
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:33 pm

pmanni1 wrote:
trexel94 wrote:
SY just added CVG and IND. I think we’re the only major Midwest city without SY service at this point unless you count DTW. Any chance they’ll add us in the near future? There’s a myriad of ptp leisure routes they could try besides Florida.

SY's impact to an airport is minimal. Most airports that have SY service have only a handful of weekly flights even years after service started.

Late, but I completely agree. You aren't missing anything by not having a twice-weekly seasonal flight to Fort Myers.
 
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Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:51 pm

Delta has had LGA-MCI for a long time, would be a perfect A220 route.
 
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Tue Feb 23, 2021 7:19 pm

Lootess wrote:
Delta has had LGA-MCI for a long time, would be a perfect A220 route.



I see it as a 175 route.

A220 is probably too large.
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Feb 23, 2021 7:36 pm

Does anyone know if MCI will build a new CONRAC adjacent to the new terminal?
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Feb 23, 2021 9:57 pm

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Does anyone know if MCI will build a new CONRAC adjacent to the new terminal?



I would say no. It is all in the same area right now along with a single rental car bus that takes you to all companies.
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:47 pm

KCaviator wrote:
AA/B6 adds MCI-LGA starting September 8th. Year round.


Westbound:
AA 4583 8:00am - 10:40am Embraer RJ-175
AA 4592 7:00pm - 9:05pm Embraer RJ-176

Eastbound:
AA 4594 6:30am - 10:25am Embraer RJ-179
AA 4583 11:20am - 3:00pm Embraer RJ-180
 
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Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:48 pm

worldtraveler2 wrote:
KCaviator wrote:
AA/B6 adds MCI-LGA starting September 8th. Year round.


Westbound:
AA 4583 8:00am - 10:40am Embraer RJ-175
AA 4592 7:00pm - 9:05pm Embraer RJ-175

Eastbound:
AA 4594 6:30am - 10:25am Embraer RJ-175
AA 4583 11:20am - 3:00pm Embraer RJ-175


my bad on the equipment
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2021

Wed Feb 24, 2021 6:50 pm

trexel94 wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
evank516 wrote:
[photoid][/photoid]


DL already has scheduled the A220 for SEA and has flown the aircraft a few times to SLC as well.



We're on DL's A220s r/t to SEA in early July. Will be my first time on that equipment and looking forward to it.

I'm looking forward to many things in 2021, not the least of which is more aircraft flying past the house on final to 27 or taking off from 09. As much as I love DL, and want to see more DL tails at MCI, I never again want to see the sights we saw last Spring.
 
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Wed Feb 24, 2021 7:39 pm

Varsity1 wrote:
Lootess wrote:
Delta has had LGA-MCI for a long time, would be a perfect A220 route.



I see it as a 175 route.

A220 is probably too large.


Nah, the 220-100 is probably perfect for it. I believe it is more cost effective as well. WN was able to fill a 73G, DL should be able to fill a small mainline aircraft and its a good transfer point between east and west coast hubs. But since YX has a mx base in MCI I see it becoming a mix once volume starts picking up again.
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2021

Thu Feb 25, 2021 3:49 am

asaad11 wrote:
Runway765 wrote:
Does anyone know if MCI will build a new CONRAC adjacent to the new terminal?



I would say no. It is all in the same area right now along with a single rental car bus that takes you to all companies.

No. The current CONRAC is pretty new. Pre-covid, the airport had publically announced the study of an APM to the CONRAC.
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2021

Thu Feb 25, 2021 4:38 am

worldtraveler2 wrote:
worldtraveler2 wrote:
KCaviator wrote:
AA/B6 adds MCI-LGA starting September 8th. Year round.


Westbound:
AA 4583 8:00am - 10:40am Embraer RJ-175
AA 4592 7:00pm - 9:05pm Embraer RJ-175

Eastbound:
AA 4594 6:30am - 10:25am Embraer RJ-175
AA 4583 11:20am - 3:00pm Embraer RJ-175


my bad on the equipment


Anddddd B6 continues to avoid, errr tip toe into, the middle of the country. So much for MCI being on B6's "short list"
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2021

Thu Feb 25, 2021 2:35 pm

evank516 wrote:
Varsity1 wrote:
Lootess wrote:
Delta has had LGA-MCI for a long time, would be a perfect A220 route.



I see it as a 175 route.

A220 is probably too large.


Nah, the 220-100 is probably perfect for it. I believe it is more cost effective as well. WN was able to fill a 73G, DL should be able to fill a small mainline aircraft and its a good transfer point between east and west coast hubs. But since YX has a mx base in MCI I see it becoming a mix once volume starts picking up again.


This is incorrect.

YX’s MCI maintenance base has been closed since early 2016. MCI isn’t even a crew base for YX anymore (closed October 2020).

Also, other than being a A220 fanboy, why do you think this route needs upgauged so bad when it’s not even currently operating because demand is so low?
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2021

Thu Feb 25, 2021 9:32 pm

KCaviator wrote:
evank516 wrote:
Varsity1 wrote:


I see it as a 175 route.

A220 is probably too large.


Nah, the 220-100 is probably perfect for it. I believe it is more cost effective as well. WN was able to fill a 73G, DL should be able to fill a small mainline aircraft and its a good transfer point between east and west coast hubs. But since YX has a mx base in MCI I see it becoming a mix once volume starts picking up again.


This is incorrect.

YX’s MCI maintenance base has been closed since early 2016. MCI isn’t even a crew base for YX anymore (closed October 2020).

Also, other than being a A220 fanboy, why do you think this route needs upgauged so bad when it’s not even currently operating because demand is so low?


Oh I was misinformed by someone else on here about the base.

I’m not saying it should be on an A220 now in these conditions. But pre-covid it would have worked, and once traffic comes back it will probably be viable again. It is a 1,100 mile long thin route between the east coast and the middle of the country which is exactly what DL has been planning on using this aircraft for until this pandemic hit.
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2021

Fri Feb 26, 2021 3:14 pm

evank516 wrote:
KCaviator wrote:
evank516 wrote:

Nah, the 220-100 is probably perfect for it. I believe it is more cost effective as well. WN was able to fill a 73G, DL should be able to fill a small mainline aircraft and its a good transfer point between east and west coast hubs. But since YX has a mx base in MCI I see it becoming a mix once volume starts picking up again.


This is incorrect.

YX’s MCI maintenance base has been closed since early 2016. MCI isn’t even a crew base for YX anymore (closed October 2020).

Also, other than being a A220 fanboy, why do you think this route needs upgauged so bad when it’s not even currently operating because demand is so low?


Oh I was misinformed by someone else on here about the base.

I’m not saying it should be on an A220 now in these conditions. But pre-covid it would have worked, and once traffic comes back it will probably be viable again. It is a 1,100 mile long thin route between the east coast and the middle of the country which is exactly what DL has been planning on using this aircraft for until this pandemic hit.


My expectation is that when the time comes, DL will slowly get back into the route 1x or 2x daily with the E175's. Hoping to see the same occur to BOS-MCI as it was pre-Covid since I was frequently using that route, but at this point that might be asking too much.
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2021

Fri Feb 26, 2021 4:55 pm

kstateinALB wrote:
evank516 wrote:
KCaviator wrote:

This is incorrect.

YX’s MCI maintenance base has been closed since early 2016. MCI isn’t even a crew base for YX anymore (closed October 2020).

Also, other than being a A220 fanboy, why do you think this route needs upgauged so bad when it’s not even currently operating because demand is so low?


Oh I was misinformed by someone else on here about the base.

I’m not saying it should be on an A220 now in these conditions. But pre-covid it would have worked, and once traffic comes back it will probably be viable again. It is a 1,100 mile long thin route between the east coast and the middle of the country which is exactly what DL has been planning on using this aircraft for until this pandemic hit.


My expectation is that when the time comes, DL will slowly get back into the route 1x or 2x daily with the E175's. Hoping to see the same occur to BOS-MCI as it was pre-Covid since I was frequently using that route, but at this point that might be asking too much.


LGA-MCI actually resumes next month. AA adds the route on September 8. I can’t for the life of me imagine B6 not taking that over eventually which will be on an E190 minimum which will eventually be an A220 as it is. If/when that happens DL will want to up its game.
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2021

Fri Feb 26, 2021 7:18 pm

evank516 wrote:
kstateinALB wrote:
evank516 wrote:

Oh I was misinformed by someone else on here about the base.

I’m not saying it should be on an A220 now in these conditions. But pre-covid it would have worked, and once traffic comes back it will probably be viable again. It is a 1,100 mile long thin route between the east coast and the middle of the country which is exactly what DL has been planning on using this aircraft for until this pandemic hit.


My expectation is that when the time comes, DL will slowly get back into the route 1x or 2x daily with the E175's. Hoping to see the same occur to BOS-MCI as it was pre-Covid since I was frequently using that route, but at this point that might be asking too much.


LGA-MCI actually resumes next month. AA adds the route on September 8. I can’t for the life of me imagine B6 not taking that over eventually which will be on an E190 minimum which will eventually be an A220 as it is. If/when that happens DL will want to up its game.


Yeah, there is no way DL would let LGA-MCI become dormant for anything more than the winter lul, but I saw it on the resume list next month which was as-expected. The flight is generally packed to the gills due to essential business travel. I do expect this to be up-gauged likely when others get into this market.
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2021

Fri Feb 26, 2021 9:17 pm

Lootess wrote:
evank516 wrote:
kstateinALB wrote:

My expectation is that when the time comes, DL will slowly get back into the route 1x or 2x daily with the E175's. Hoping to see the same occur to BOS-MCI as it was pre-Covid since I was frequently using that route, but at this point that might be asking too much.


LGA-MCI actually resumes next month. AA adds the route on September 8. I can’t for the life of me imagine B6 not taking that over eventually which will be on an E190 minimum which will eventually be an A220 as it is. If/when that happens DL will want to up its game.


Yeah, there is no way DL would let LGA-MCI become dormant for anything more than the winter lul, but I saw it on the resume list next month which was as-expected. The flight is generally packed to the gills due to essential business travel. I do expect this to be up-gauged likely when others get into this market.


Yeah it’s on the 170 now. Pre-covid it was a mix of 170/175/CR9. With AA coming in with 175s and WN’s ability to pack their 73Gs to the gills (when they operate this) on this it seems viable for upgauge down the road as flights begin to resume.
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2021

Fri Feb 26, 2021 10:12 pm

I operated MCI-LGA many times for both DL and AA (before it was axed) and the flight was rarely full.
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2021

Wed Mar 03, 2021 4:33 am

KCRAG reporting that 2 more warehouses at KCI Logistics Center are moving forward(450ksqft, and 200ksqft). Permits show as a tenant DHL Express with the same address as the 200,000sqft+ warehouse being built.
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2021

Fri Mar 05, 2021 10:00 pm

NK will launch RSW & TPA starting June per MCI’s Twitter page.
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Mar 08, 2021 10:11 pm

evank516 wrote:
Lootess wrote:
evank516 wrote:

LGA-MCI actually resumes next month. AA adds the route on September 8. I can’t for the life of me imagine B6 not taking that over eventually which will be on an E190 minimum which will eventually be an A220 as it is. If/when that happens DL will want to up its game.


Yeah, there is no way DL would let LGA-MCI become dormant for anything more than the winter lul, but I saw it on the resume list next month which was as-expected. The flight is generally packed to the gills due to essential business travel. I do expect this to be up-gauged likely when others get into this market.


Yeah it’s on the 170 now. Pre-covid it was a mix of 170/175/CR9. With AA coming in with 175s and WN’s ability to pack their 73Gs to the gills (when they operate this) on this it seems viable for upgauge down the road as flights begin to resume.


Looks like a second frequency will return in April.
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2021

Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:35 am

LGA-MCI is a top route so not surprising to see a 2nd frequency return.

trexel94 wrote:
NK will launch RSW & TPA starting June per MCI’s Twitter page.


Going after Southwest I see. Usually they run RSW seasonally.
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Apr 06, 2021 1:42 am

UA MCI-EWR down to 0 flights per day in May. This route was operated 4x daily pre-COVID. Wonder if and when it’ll recover.
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:44 am

KCaviator wrote:
UA MCI-EWR down to 0 flights per day in May. This route was operated 4x daily pre-COVID. Wonder if and when it’ll recover.


Interesting considering DL LGA-MCI is at 2 flights in May.

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