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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Fri Feb 05, 2021 2:14 am

SANFan wrote:
AC4500 wrote:
SANFan wrote:
I would expect SAN-DCA for sure but I'm doubtful about OAK. But how about SJC-DCA? Wouldn't that make much more sense for AS?

Transcon routes from SJC have generally not performed very well for most airlines, including AS. SAN-DCA seems more likely IMO. Unless they would want to cut PDX-DCA or one of their two SEA-DCA flights, AS would have to gain an extra DCA exemption slot in order to launch this route (unless the DCA perimeter rules are going away).

First remember that AS, or any airline, may not be limited to only 1 choice for an exemption slot IF there should be another hearing, or certainly as you suggest, the perimeter rules just go away. In the last DOT hearing, AS applied for both PDX and SAN.

Second, I do agree that SJC doesn't have a very good track record with AS transcons (and with other cx as well come to think of it.) However, if comparing OAK and SJC, we know which is the larger and more important station for AS. That's all I was thinking with my comment. I would think WN would be the one carrier particularly interested in OAK-DCA.

And third, AS can not do anything with their existing slots (SEA and PDX) except where they are now; they are city-specific. So yes, AS would have to apply for SAN-DCA as a new slot if and when the opportunity should arise.

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The guy who first mentioned OAK was suggesting that AS may start OAK-SAN, not OAK-DCA. That got misconstrued in subsequent threads.

Having said that, I still don’t understand why SJC has not done well on transcons. I feel like some of it kind of a self fulfilling prophecy. People drive to SFO because they don’t think that SJC has transcons or international flights. Thus, SJC ends up with fewer of those flights due to leakage to SFO.

By way of example, I’ve seen people on Facebook who live in San Jose posting how they are driving to SFO and spending the night near the airport to fly on AS to Cabo when they could have flown AS out of SJC to SJD.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Fri Feb 05, 2021 2:20 am

ucdtim17 wrote:
wedgetail737 wrote:
I am hoping maybe AS will attempt OAK-SAN.

It's crazy that WN has been left alone with an OAK-SAN monopoly for as long as I can remember. When was the last competition on that route?

The last competition I recall on OAK-SAN was Shuttle by United which also served SAN-SMF and many of the other key, high frequency intra-CA routes trying to compete with WN. They flew between 1994 and 2001. PSA was the first carrier that flew OAK-SAN but of course that ended in 1988.

I've been calling for AS to start SAN-OAK for a long while and remain convinced that it will happen eventually. First we should see them re-enter SAN-SMF in April, then maybe once that's settled OAK will be next; that would be the last major Bay Area airport from SAN that AS has yet to fly. IMO, they need that route to solidify their SAN focus city ops.

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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Fri Feb 05, 2021 2:27 am

I apologize for mis-reading your post Wedgie'. (I had surgery yesterday and I guess I'm still a bit doped up as I return to A.net.) But what the heck, we got a bit of DCA, SAN, OAK and SJC going here - that's a four-fer right?

I think I'll go take a nap now...

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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Fri Feb 05, 2021 4:17 am

SANFan wrote:
ucdtim17 wrote:
wedgetail737 wrote:
I am hoping maybe AS will attempt OAK-SAN.

It's crazy that WN has been left alone with an OAK-SAN monopoly for as long as I can remember. When was the last competition on that route?

The last competition I recall on OAK-SAN was Shuttle by United which also served SAN-SMF and many of the other key, high frequency intra-CA routes trying to compete with WN. They flew between 1994 and 2001. PSA was the first carrier that flew OAK-SAN but of course that ended in 1988.

I've been calling for AS to start SAN-OAK for a long while and remain convinced that it will happen eventually. First we should see them re-enter SAN-SMF in April, then maybe once that's settled OAK will be next; that would be the last major Bay Area airport from SAN that AS has yet to fly. IMO, they need that route to solidify their SAN focus city ops.

bb


The last airline I remember flying the OAK-SAN route along with WN was MarkAir. But AS has been "ignoring" OAK for quite a few years...other than when they started various OAK-HI routes.

I never mentioned anything about OAK-DCA. OAK can't seem to handle any traffic to the Midwest or East Coast, outside of WN.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Fri Feb 05, 2021 4:47 am

While I understand SAN based flyers wanting competition on SAN-OAK route and I am sure AS has looked at it, I just don't see it as a money making route for AS. For WN you have a hub at OAK, a focus city at SAN and a 75% market share as opposed to a spoke at OAK and a focus city SAN for AS. At best AS might be able to get WN to make a little less money on the route while losing money on the route themselves. Maybe 2-3 years post pandemic they might try it but not until they are making money again.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Fri Feb 05, 2021 6:32 am

gmcc wrote:
While I understand SAN based flyers wanting competition on SAN-OAK route and I am sure AS has looked at it, I just don't see it as a money making route for AS. For WN you have a hub at OAK, a focus city at SAN and a 75% market share as opposed to a spoke at OAK and a focus city SAN for AS. At best AS might be able to get WN to make a little less money on the route while losing money on the route themselves. Maybe 2-3 years post pandemic they might try it but not until they are making money again.


Sadly...I agree. Otherwise, they would have started service on the route a long time ago.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Fri Feb 05, 2021 7:41 am

https://www.bizjournals.com/sanjose/new ... joses.html
is there a chance they could bring any of these routes back? sjc is my main airport, and alaska is my main airline, so i was somewhat disappointed when they announced this.
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Fri Feb 05, 2021 9:14 am

pranav7478 wrote:
https://www.bizjournals.com/sanjose/news/2019/10/11/alaska-airlines-to-end-localservice-to-san-joses.html
is there a chance they could bring any of these routes back? sjc is my main airport, and alaska is my main airline, so i was somewhat disappointed when they announced this.



To confirm, you are aware this article is from October 2019? If these were the cuts made pre-Covid, then it will be a long shot that they’re brought back anytime soon, unfortunately.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Fri Feb 05, 2021 6:29 pm

ASguy2012 wrote:
pranav7478 wrote:
https://www.bizjournals.com/sanjose/news/2019/10/11/alaska-airlines-to-end-localservice-to-san-joses.html
is there a chance they could bring any of these routes back? sjc is my main airport, and alaska is my main airline, so i was somewhat disappointed when they announced this.



To confirm, you are aware this article is from October 2019? If these were the cuts made pre-Covid, then it will be a long shot that they’re brought back anytime soon, unfortunately.

o lol just realized :) i saw the 2020 in the article thinking it was during covid, but forgot that it started in march. looks like i wont get those routes anymore :(
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Fri Feb 05, 2021 6:53 pm

I just booked PDX-LAX on the 737-9 MAX on 3/20. What are the chances that AS will keep their current schedule for late March?
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Fri Feb 05, 2021 10:07 pm

AC4500 wrote:
I just booked PDX-LAX on the 737-9 MAX on 3/20. What are the chances that AS will keep their current schedule for late March?

Not great chances, but that’s not too far from now so I wouldn’t get too pessimistic.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Fri Feb 05, 2021 10:22 pm

AC4500 wrote:
I just booked PDX-LAX on the 737-9 MAX on 3/20. What are the chances that AS will keep their current schedule for late March?


If it wasn’t originally an inherited VX route your chances are good! :stirthepot:
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Sat Feb 06, 2021 1:01 am

US used to do DCA-SAN after the DL/US slot swap. It was reportedly a very profitable route, although for the combined carrier it made sense to switch the flight to LAX after the merger. The slot used on DCA-SAN was not city-specific and was transferable.

DCA-SAN is a logical addition, and I am willing to bet it is the largest market not served via a nonstop from DCA. I know AS's original slot pairs are city-specific, but are the slots acquired after the Virgin merger city-specific to LAX/SFO as well?

AS flew BWI-SAN a while back and while I have no doubt the loads were great, BWI is in general very low-yielding. AS has a decent operation at Dulles, so I wouldn't be surprised if they attempt SAN-IAD.

While I would like to see SJC-WAS on AS, I cannot see it in the foreseeable future with this climate. Serving SAN nonstop from DCA would be a higher priority for AS, and as others have said, SJC seems to really struggle with transcon services. EWR/IAD/CLT have all come and gone over the years.

Pre-Covid, what was the AS schedule for WAS?

IIRC from DCA it was 2x SEA, 1x PDX, 2x LAX, 1x SFO. From IAD I remember 3x SEA, 2x LAX, 2x SFO (they might have had a third IAD-SFO flight). From BWI, there were 2x SEA flights, as well as a daily flight to LAX/PDX/SFO depending on the season.
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Sat Feb 06, 2021 1:07 am

AS applied for SAN-DCA during last DCA beyond-perimeter slot allocation but was denied. Instead, they got PDX-DCA and an additional SEA-DCA...I think.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Sat Feb 06, 2021 3:52 am

MaxTrimm wrote:
AC4500 wrote:
I just booked PDX-LAX on the 737-9 MAX on 3/20. What are the chances that AS will keep their current schedule for late March?

Not great chances, but that’s not too far from now so I wouldn’t get too pessimistic.

AS recently (less than a week ago) extended their current "reduced" schedule up through 4/3. Based on that I would assume the March schedule is pretty much set, at least for domestic flights.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Sat Feb 06, 2021 4:47 am

nine4nine wrote:
AC4500 wrote:
I just booked PDX-LAX on the 737-9 MAX on 3/20. What are the chances that AS will keep their current schedule for late March?


If it wasn’t originally an inherited VX route your chances are good! :stirthepot:

VX actually did fly PDX-LAX up to 2x daily flights for a little while but they ended the route long before the merge with AS...
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Sat Feb 06, 2021 4:49 am

wedgetail737 wrote:
gmcc wrote:
While I understand SAN based flyers wanting competition on SAN-OAK route and I am sure AS has looked at it, I just don't see it as a money making route for AS. For WN you have a hub at OAK, a focus city at SAN and a 75% market share as opposed to a spoke at OAK and a focus city SAN for AS. At best AS might be able to get WN to make a little less money on the route while losing money on the route themselves. Maybe 2-3 years post pandemic they might try it but not until they are making money again.


Sadly...I agree. Otherwise, they would have started service on the route a long time ago.


OAK is an outlier for AS - large airport in center of large market they've been trying to win since buying VX, and they've refused to try anything. Five carriers now on OAK-LAS, and still just one on OAK-SAN. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Sat Feb 06, 2021 4:53 am

ucdtim17 wrote:
wedgetail737 wrote:
gmcc wrote:
While I understand SAN based flyers wanting competition on SAN-OAK route and I am sure AS has looked at it, I just don't see it as a money making route for AS. For WN you have a hub at OAK, a focus city at SAN and a 75% market share as opposed to a spoke at OAK and a focus city SAN for AS. At best AS might be able to get WN to make a little less money on the route while losing money on the route themselves. Maybe 2-3 years post pandemic they might try it but not until they are making money again.


Sadly...I agree. Otherwise, they would have started service on the route a long time ago.


OAK is an outlier for AS - large airport in center of large market they've been trying to win since buying VX, and they've refused to try anything. Five carriers now on OAK-LAS, and still just one on OAK-SAN. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


The only other routes I can think of that AS has done out of OAK in the past 25 years were SNA and BOI. By comparison, SJC has had a lot of routes come and go during that time.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Sat Feb 06, 2021 5:36 am

When AS acquired Jet America, they embarked on an intra-CA campaign called "California Dreamin'", with some MD-80's sporting the Roy Orbison sunglasses. At that time, AS had flights from OAK to BUR, ONT, SNA and PSP. If you go further back, they also had OAK-LAX (Sat. Only) and OAK-LGB. The OAK-SNA was the last of the OAK-SoCal service.

My first flight in 1st class was on an AS Maddog between OAK and ONT.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Sat Feb 06, 2021 6:54 am

wedgetail737 wrote:
When AS acquired Jet America, they embarked on an intra-CA campaign called "California Dreamin'", with some MD-80's sporting the Roy Orbison sunglasses. At that time, AS had flights from OAK to BUR, ONT, SNA and PSP. If you go further back, they also had OAK-LAX (Sat. Only) and OAK-LGB. The OAK-SNA was the last of the OAK-SoCal service.

My first flight in 1st class was on an AS Maddog between OAK and ONT.


The Sunglasses were Gargoyles. Alaska had a promotion with Gargoyles for the California Dreamin' campaign. Print ads had the Gargoyles on 727 tails, but only MD80s sported the sunglasses on actual aircraft.

https://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/ai ... .jpg?v=v40
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Sun Feb 07, 2021 5:04 am

RWRCAS wrote:
wedgetail737 wrote:
When AS acquired Jet America, they embarked on an intra-CA campaign called "California Dreamin'", with some MD-80's sporting the Roy Orbison sunglasses. At that time, AS had flights from OAK to BUR, ONT, SNA and PSP. If you go further back, they also had OAK-LAX (Sat. Only) and OAK-LGB. The OAK-SNA was the last of the OAK-SoCal service.

My first flight in 1st class was on an AS Maddog between OAK and ONT.


The Sunglasses were Gargoyles. Alaska had a promotion with Gargoyles for the California Dreamin' campaign. Print ads had the Gargoyles on 727 tails, but only MD80s sported the sunglasses on actual aircraft.

https://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/ai ... .jpg?v=v40


Every employee got a pair of the Gargoyles and AS allowed them to be worn at work. While inside, customer service agents had to wear them around the neck with the lanyard that came with them. It was the first ‘big’, if you can call it big, marketing partnership we had while I was there. But it was fun.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Sun Feb 07, 2021 5:54 am

The first Alaska MAX 9 did its first certification/test flight today, Alaska 9910 took off at 1035 and did eight touch and goes at PDX working the pattern before heading back to SEA. This was the first flight for the aircraft since it was delivered back in January. The airline has many more flights planned for this aircraft and will post more updates as they become available.

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Sun Feb 07, 2021 5:56 am

One of the Portland locals got it on its flight test!

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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Tue Feb 09, 2021 5:02 am

N913AK was out and about today. When down to SAN, which I get as it is one of the first cities the max will be heading. It then stopped in SBA which I an pretty certain wouldn't see a MAX except as a diversion. Link for anyone who wants to follow along at home.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N913AK
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Wed Feb 10, 2021 10:02 pm

gmcc wrote:
N913AK was out and about today. When down to SAN, which I get as it is one of the first cities the max will be heading. It then stopped in SBA which I an pretty certain wouldn't see a MAX except as a diversion. Link for anyone who wants to follow along at home.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N913AK


Update: it's flying SEA-KOA right now. I wonder why the relatively low altitude of FL280, though, especially since it's likely flying with an empty (or near empty) cabin.
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Wed Feb 10, 2021 11:13 pm

Western727 wrote:
gmcc wrote:
N913AK was out and about today. When down to SAN, which I get as it is one of the first cities the max will be heading. It then stopped in SBA which I an pretty certain wouldn't see a MAX except as a diversion. Link for anyone who wants to follow along at home.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N913AK


Update: it's flying SEA-KOA right now. I wonder why the relatively low altitude of FL280, though, especially since it's likely flying with an empty (or near empty) cabin.

Only thing I could come up with is, planning for a worst case fuel burn. The lower altitude might help give the flight ops guys some data on fuel burn etc.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Sat Feb 13, 2021 8:50 pm

On Wednesday, 3/17 there will be 6 AS flights operating on PDX-PHX (4x E175, 1x 737-800, 1x 737-900): https://www.google.com/travel/flights/s ... BggDEAAYAA

I don't think AS has ever had this much capacity on that route before!
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Sun Feb 14, 2021 6:23 am

AS just updated their interim schedule through May 19.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Sun Feb 14, 2021 7:05 am

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AS just updated their interim schedule through May 19.

MSP-PDX actually survived this one and does appear to resume on April 4. However, it's downgraded to an E175 on QX instead of the A320. It also shifted from a 2 PM departure to a 1 PM departure.

And I was actually starting to look forward to a forced SEA layover since my F-fare would get me into the Alaska Lounge there. But the timing works alright for me so I really shouldn't complain.

Weirdly though, this hasn't been pushed to my booking yet. It still shows me on the 2 PM A320 flight that is no longer for sale. I wonder how long it will take for the schedule change to hit my reservation? I want to make sure I still get the kind of seat I want.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread 2021

Sun Feb 14, 2021 7:44 am

ATSS wrote:
Looking forward to a better 2021. New planes, new routes and continued excellent performance.

Maybe new cities Alaska can think about on the East Coast so we can have some Non stop to SEA. LIke PHF or PWM.... That could be eaily done on 737900ER.
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Sun Feb 14, 2021 7:47 am

SANFan wrote:
I apologize for mis-reading your post Wedgie'. (I had surgery yesterday and I guess I'm still a bit doped up as I return to A.net.) But what the heck, we got a bit of DCA, SAN, OAK and SJC going here - that's a four-fer right?

I think I'll go take a nap now...

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DCA TO SAN wow tI wish that would happen I think BWI -SAN is still happing.
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread 2021

Sun Feb 14, 2021 8:18 am

b777900 wrote:
ATSS wrote:
Looking forward to a better 2021. New planes, new routes and continued excellent performance.

Maybe new cities Alaska can think about on the East Coast so we can have some Non stop to SEA. LIke PHF or PWM.... That could be eaily done on 737900ER.

How about PDX-PWM?? Portland to Portland! :lol: :rotfl:

If AS were to do a special one-off PDX-PWM-PDX roundtrip flight once the pandemic is behind us, I bet it would sell out quick.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Sun Feb 14, 2021 9:36 am

As I'm looking thru the new Apr 4 skeds, I'm seeing some cuts but some good things are still showing; I hope these changes hold up from further trimming in the month ahead.

Highlight so far is that AS does still appear to be re-entering the SAN-SMF market with 3 nicely timed r/t per day; hopefully, they add a 4th in May as originally planned!

Looks like Kauai (LIH) is still shut down to most flights for the April skeds... But more positively, we appear to be getting a second SAN-FAT flight on the skeds so hopefully that market is starting to rebound.

Overall, not too bad in the trimming department so far!

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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Sun Feb 14, 2021 10:44 am

SANFan wrote:
As I'm looking thru the new Apr 4 skeds, I'm seeing some cuts but some good things are still showing; I hope these changes hold up from further trimming in the month ahead.

Highlight so far is that AS does still appear to be re-entering the SAN-SMF market with 3 nicely timed r/t per day; hopefully, they add a 4th in May as originally planned!

Looks like Kauai (LIH) is still shut down to most flights for the April skeds... But more positively, we appear to be getting a second SAN-FAT flight on the skeds so hopefully that market is starting to rebound.

Overall, not too bad in the trimming department so far!

bb

I see SAN-BOS/EWR continuing to operate even after the spring break rush. It's good to see stable bookings on those longer routes.

Unfortunately, PDX-FLL will now be suspended from 4/4 to 5/21. I suspect that the route will continue to be suspended after 5/21 since this is a winter season-oriented route...
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Sun Feb 14, 2021 5:57 pm

AC4500 wrote:
SANFan wrote:
As I'm looking thru the new Apr 4 skeds, I'm seeing some cuts but some good things are still showing; I hope these changes hold up from further trimming in the month ahead.

I see SAN-BOS/EWR continuing to operate even after the spring break rush. It's good to see stable bookings on those longer routes.

Yes, definitely. Both these routes were expected to return by summer and that does appear much more likely to now be happening! Note that BOS is only scheduled to run 4 days a week in April but EWR is showing as a daily operation. Hopefully the traffic will support these levels of service as April approaches. (Unfortunately, SAN-JFK is still delayed from its original April 4 inaugural.)

It looks like overall, the April extension is pretty much a continuation of what is now scheduled for March in SAN with the re-start of SMF, as the exception and highlight.
AC4500 wrote:
Unfortunately, PDX-FLL will now be suspended from 4/4 to 5/21. I suspect that the route will continue to be suspended after 5/21 since this is a winter season-oriented route...

Yep, following what they did with SAN-FLL so not surprising. AS's ultimate decision might depend on what Blue does in the markets. Hopefully this route and CUN will return in the winter to both cities.

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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Sun Feb 14, 2021 6:00 pm

Is it possible that EWR-LAX/SFO/SEA gets bumped up to 2x a day this summer?
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Sun Feb 14, 2021 6:22 pm

Nicknuzzii wrote:
Is it possible that EWR-LAX/SFO/SEA gets bumped up to 2x a day this summer?

I'm sure SEA-EWR will. EWR-LAX/SFO will likely depend on what their competitors do. EWR-PDX still has yet to resume though.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Sun Feb 14, 2021 7:01 pm

Nicknuzzii wrote:
Is it possible that EWR-LAX/SFO/SEA gets bumped up to 2x a day this summer?

I'm sure it's totally dependent on how quickly the business/corporate travel sector recovers. AS is still concentrating on chasing leisure travel while they wait business travel's return and from what I hear, it's not happening real quickly (as we've seen.)

I'm not holding my breath for multiple frequencies in many transcon markets for a while yet, certainly including EWR.

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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Sun Feb 14, 2021 7:41 pm

With the recent terminal expansion at IDA and AA’s newly-announced IDA-PHX/DFW routes, how likely would AS be to start a daily E175 on IDA-SEA?
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Sun Feb 14, 2021 8:09 pm

jmc1975 wrote:
With the recent terminal expansion at IDA and AA’s newly-announced IDA-PHX/DFW routes, how likely would AS be to start a daily E175 on IDA-SEA?


I agree that AS adding IDA-SEA nonstop service using an E-175 might be a possibility with IDA being the largest market in Idaho without nonstop service to SEA and with AS already serving BOI and SUN in Idaho.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Sun Feb 14, 2021 8:19 pm

There are some adds that could be made by AS out of PDX once demand recovers such as PDX-ATL/CMH/DTW/IAH/IND/MSY/OKC/PIT/RDU/STL/SAT/TPA/IAD with ATL, CMH, DTW, IAH, IND, MSY, OKC, PIT, RDU, STL, SAT, TPA, and IAD being top markets traveled to from PDX that aren't currently served nonstop from PDX on AS.

PDX-OKC is also within the range of AS E-175 regional jets as AS operates a few routes longer than PDX-OKC such as DAL-PDX/SEA and MKE-SEA on E-175 regional jets.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Sun Feb 14, 2021 9:49 pm

jplatts wrote:
jmc1975 wrote:
With the recent terminal expansion at IDA and AA’s newly-announced IDA-PHX/DFW routes, how likely would AS be to start a daily E175 on IDA-SEA?


I agree that AS adding IDA-SEA nonstop service using an E-175 might be a possibility with IDA being the largest market in Idaho without nonstop service to SEA and with AS already serving BOI and SUN in Idaho.

This actually seems more like a Horizon Q400 route...

jplatts wrote:
There are some adds that could be made by AS out of PDX once demand recovers such as PDX-ATL/CMH/DTW/IAH/IND/MSY/OKC/PIT/RDU/STL/SAT/TPA/IAD with ATL, CMH, DTW, IAH, IND, MSY, OKC, PIT, RDU, STL, SAT, TPA, and IAD being top markets traveled to from PDX that aren't currently served nonstop from PDX on AS.

PDX-OKC is also within the range of AS E-175 regional jets as AS operates a few routes longer than PDX-OKC such as DAL-PDX/SEA and MKE-SEA on E-175 regional jets.

LOL did you just list every airport that they serve from SEA and not PDX...? Whether us Portlanders like it or not, Alaska's Seattle hub will always be larger than PDX. PDX-ATL/DTW/MKE/STL have all been tried before, with PDX-ATL being tried on two separate occasions. If AS were to invest in the Airbus A220, then some of the routes that you listed could actually work. I remember reading somewhere a few years ago that AS wanted to launch PDX-IND and SAN-IND with the E175, but the aircraft range and economics were just simply not feasible for it to work out, and the demand was nowhere near enough for the 737. I suspect that this was also the reason why PDX-MKE and PDX-STL were dropped. Poor economics (yet doable), but not enough demand for the 737. If only Boeing had a smaller version of the 737... :?

Anyhow, before any of those routes happen, AS needs to solidify their pre-COVID PDX network by bringing back summer seasonal routes like PDX-BWI/PHL. With AS joining OneWorld, and PHL being AA's primary gateway to Europe (correct me if I'm wrong), I think PDX-PHL has a very good chance of coming back once demand for transatlantic travel begins to return.

I think the next new destination that PDX gets from AS mainline will be TPA. They've been trying to get a nonstop PDX flight long before COVID, and I think the strong momentum that we're currently seeing with Florida bookings nationwide will only further help with the chances of a nonstop PDX-TPA flight. Although, I've got to say--- AS suspending PDX-FLL in their most recent schedule update is certainly not very promising under this logic...
 
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Sun Feb 14, 2021 10:18 pm

AC4500 wrote:
LOL did you just list every airport that they serve from SEA and not PDX...? Whether us Portlanders like it or not, Alaska's Seattle hub will always be larger than PDX. PDX-ATL/DTW/MKE/STL have all been tried before, with PDX-ATL being tried on two separate occasions. If AS were to invest in the Airbus A220, then some of the routes that you listed could actually work. I remember reading somewhere a few years ago that AS wanted to launch PDX-IND and SAN-IND with the E175, but the aircraft range and economics were just simply not feasible for it to work out, and the demand was nowhere near enough for the 737.


I agree that SAN-IND might possibly be within the range of an E-175 regional jet with UA operating MSN-SFO using E-175 regional jets, which is only 10 miles shorter than IND-SAN (1772 mi on MSN-SFO vs 1782 mi on IND-SAN).

PDX-SAT is also likely within the range of E-175 regional jets with PDX-SAT being 1714 miles long, which is shorter than SFO-STL/MSN or SAN-IND.

AS would also be offering connections to some destinations in Alaska, Hawaii, Oregon, and Washington State such as ANC, EUG, PAE, HNL, OGG, and RDM through PDX.

AS would also be able to get some of the travelers who currently connect to PDX on DL, UA, or WN from places east of the Rocky Mountains if it adds nonstop service to additional cities out of PDX.

I agree that there are some AS adds out of PDX that would be viable if AS acquires A220-100 aircraft. There are also some existing AS destinations in Alaska and some destinations not currently served by AS in the Midwest, Northeast, and Southeast that could likely support nonstop service to SEA on AS if AS acquires A220-100 planes.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Mon Feb 15, 2021 12:02 am

Would love to see QX return to IDA! That part of Idaho has really grown since they left many years ago and I think it would do quite well.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Mon Feb 15, 2021 2:23 am

AC4500 wrote:
jplatts wrote:
jmc1975 wrote:
With the recent terminal expansion at IDA and AA’s newly-announced IDA-PHX/DFW routes, how likely would AS be to start a daily E175 on IDA-SEA?


I agree that AS adding IDA-SEA nonstop service using an E-175 might be a possibility with IDA being the largest market in Idaho without nonstop service to SEA and with AS already serving BOI and SUN in Idaho.

This actually seems more like a Horizon Q400 route...

I thought 566 miles would be a little long for a Q400
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Mon Feb 15, 2021 2:35 am

jmc1975 wrote:
AC4500 wrote:
jplatts wrote:

I agree that AS adding IDA-SEA nonstop service using an E-175 might be a possibility with IDA being the largest market in Idaho without nonstop service to SEA and with AS already serving BOI and SUN in Idaho.

This actually seems more like a Horizon Q400 route...

I thought 566 miles would be a little long for a Q400


Alaska operates the Q400 on SEA to Billings which is about 100 miles longer than SEA-IDA.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Mon Feb 15, 2021 2:55 am

jmc1975 wrote:
AC4500 wrote:
jplatts wrote:

I agree that AS adding IDA-SEA nonstop service using an E-175 might be a possibility with IDA being the largest market in Idaho without nonstop service to SEA and with AS already serving BOI and SUN in Idaho.

This actually seems more like a Horizon Q400 route...

I thought 566 miles would be a little long for a Q400

Not the longest current route on a Q400 . That might go to sea to bil at 664 miles.
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Mon Feb 15, 2021 2:57 am

jmc1975 wrote:
AC4500 wrote:
jplatts wrote:

I agree that AS adding IDA-SEA nonstop service using an E-175 might be a possibility with IDA being the largest market in Idaho without nonstop service to SEA and with AS already serving BOI and SUN in Idaho.

This actually seems more like a Horizon Q400 route...

I thought 566 miles would be a little long for a Q400

I used to fly QX on the Q400 MFR-LAX-MFR, which shows as 632 miles. About 2:15 hours IIRC. Time for another free beer. UA/QX jets schedule 2:05 currently, so not a whole lot difference . Have to buy the beer.
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Mon Feb 15, 2021 3:00 am

I flew the Q400 on several long-hauls like OAK-SEA, STS-SEA and RNO-SEA. I actually enjoyed the long-haulers.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Mon Feb 15, 2021 3:03 am

wedgetail737 wrote:
I flew the Q400 on several long-hauls like OAK-SEA, STS-SEA and RNO-SEA. I actually enjoyed the long-haulers.


AS had scheduled SEA-FAT on the Q400. It was tolerable with the generous pours of free beer.

I think AS’s longest Q400 flight was LAX-LAP. That was around 3 hours.
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