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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Fri Apr 16, 2021 3:02 pm

F9Animal wrote:
alohashirts wrote:
Hoping AS does SEA-SGU.


Does Skywest have a maintenance base in SGU by chance? Perhaps they can cycle planes that need checks?

SGU only gets a couple CRJs. Tiny airport.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Fri Apr 16, 2021 5:16 pm

32andBelow wrote:
F9Animal wrote:
alohashirts wrote:
Hoping AS does SEA-SGU.


Does Skywest have a maintenance base in SGU by chance? Perhaps they can cycle planes that need checks?

SGU only gets a couple CRJs. Tiny airport.


SGU is getting CRJ/CR7 service from PHX, SLC, DEN, DFW.

The reason they get as much as they do is because of OO's HDQ is there otherwise the airport probably wouldn't be served in my opinion because LAS is only 2 hours away. SGU flights have to compete pricewise with LAS which makes SGU a money looser when you're only flying small aircraft.
I think most if not all of the flights into SGU are at-risk/pro-rate flights meaning OO takes the risk if they make money or not and in the past I know for a fact that OO took a loss on the flights to make sure there were enough seats for their employees to fly in and out. OO doesn't have a pro-rate contract with AS at the moment so I doubt that we'll see any flights into SGU from SEA unless the airport pony's up a lot of cash to subsidize the market.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Fri Apr 16, 2021 5:18 pm

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durangomac wrote:
32andBelow wrote:
F9Animal wrote:

Does Skywest have a maintenance base in SGU by chance? Perhaps they can cycle planes that need checks?

SGU only gets a couple CRJs. Tiny airport.


SGU is getting CRJ/CR7 service from PHX, SLC, DEN, DFW.

The reason they get as much as they do is because of OO's HDQ is there otherwise the airport probably wouldn't be served in my opinion because LAS is only 2 hours away. SGU flights have to compete pricewise with LAS which makes SGU a money looser when you're only flying small aircraft.
I think most if not all of the flights into SGU are at-risk/pro-rate flights meaning OO takes the risk if they make money or not and in the past I know for a fact that OO took a loss on the flights to make sure there were enough seats for their employees to fly in and out. OO doesn't have a pro-rate contract with AS at the moment so I doubt that we'll see any flights into SGU from SEA unless the airport pony's up a lot of cash to subsidize the market.

Yah that’s what I’m saying. And I doubt they’d burn an e175 turn on something like that.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:58 am

I see AS has announced direct competition to Avelo's daily STS-BUR service.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Sat Apr 17, 2021 1:40 am

I'm guessing that was already planned, as AS moves conservatively. AS being daily and Avelo being ...untested... and not daily should work better for AS. Much closer to right-sized aircraft to make a better go of it.
 
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Sat Apr 17, 2021 1:49 am

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I'm guessing that was already planned, as AS moves conservatively. AS being daily and Avelo being ...untested... and not daily should work better for AS. Much closer to right-sized aircraft to make a better go of it.


The new AS STS-BUR service doesn't start until 6/1. I'm sure this is in response to Avelo's daily service on the STS-BUR route, which starts 4/28. AS may be conservative, but not that conservative.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Sat Apr 17, 2021 3:13 am

F9Animal wrote:
alohashirts wrote:
Hoping AS does SEA-SGU.


Does Skywest have a maintenance base in SGU by chance? Perhaps they can cycle planes that need checks?


No MX Base, although easy to make the case for one.

durangomac wrote:
32andBelow wrote:
F9Animal wrote:

Does Skywest have a maintenance base in SGU by chance? Perhaps they can cycle planes that need checks?

SGU only gets a couple CRJs. Tiny airport.


SGU is getting CRJ/CR7 service from PHX, SLC, DEN, DFW.

The reason they get as much as they do is because of OO's HDQ is there otherwise the airport probably wouldn't be served in my opinion because LAS is only 2 hours away. SGU flights have to compete pricewise with LAS which makes SGU a money looser when you're only flying small aircraft.
I think most if not all of the flights into SGU are at-risk/pro-rate flights meaning OO takes the risk if they make money or not and in the past I know for a fact that OO took a loss on the flights to make sure there were enough seats for their employees to fly in and out. OO doesn't have a pro-rate contract with AS at the moment so I doubt that we'll see any flights into SGU from SEA unless the airport pony's up a lot of cash to subsidize the market.


PHX-SGU has nothing to do with SkyWest, the route left the at-risk portion of the operation last year and went to 2x CR7 (from 2.5x CR2 prorate) and now is 3x CR7 most days and will be 4x come Memorial Day Weekend. There is a lot more to SGU traffic than just OO HDQ and AA in PHX has been able to be the ones to figure it out. SGU will continue growing and I wouldn't put a SEA-SGU off the table but it'll be a year or two.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Sat Apr 17, 2021 3:34 am

While F9 had less-than-daily seasonal nonstop service to SEA from CLE prior to the COVID-19 pandemic, I had previously mentioned that the lack of SEA-CLE nonstop service on a non-ULCC was a huge hole prior to the COVID-19 pandemic with the amount of passengers who were connecting to CLE from SEA on airlines other than F9 prior to the COVID-19 pandemic. F9 has also already dropped SEA-CLE nonstop service due to the COVID-19 pandemic.

AS adding SEA-CLE nonstop service is a possibility once demand recovers as
(a) CLE is one of the top remaining U.S. destinations without nonstop service from SEA,
(b) SEA had nonstop service to CLE on at least a seasonal basis until the COVID-19 pandemic,
(c) the lack of SEA-CLE nonstop service would be one of the biggest holes in both markets if demand were at pre-pandemic levels,
(d) there are some business ties between Greater Cleveland and the Pacific Northwest such as Cleveland-based KeyBank having a significant presence in the Pacific Northwest region (including in both Greater Seattle and Greater Portland) to support SEA-CLE nonstop service on AS, and
(e) connecting opportunities available onto AS, AA, and JL flights out of SEA.

Is AS likely to announce plans to serve CLE nonstop from SEA anytime soon?

AS adding PDX-IAH/IND/SAT/RDU/TPA/IAD nonstop service are also possibilities once demand recovers with IAH, IND, SAT, RDU, TPA, and IAD being top destinations traveled to from PDX that AS doesn't currently serve nonstop from PDX.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Sat Apr 17, 2021 3:48 am

Still waiting for SEA - RAP? Any update?
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Sat Apr 17, 2021 3:59 am

Wingtips56 wrote:
I'm guessing that was already planned, as AS moves conservatively. AS being daily and Avelo being ...untested... and not daily should work better for AS. Much closer to right-sized aircraft to make a better go of it.


They’re certainly more likely than Avelo to succeed, but AS has also been unable to make BUR-SFO and BUR-SJC work, much larger markets with much larger AS customer bases. So we’ll see.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Sat Apr 17, 2021 4:18 am

ucdtim17 wrote:
Wingtips56 wrote:
I'm guessing that was already planned, as AS moves conservatively. AS being daily and Avelo being ...untested... and not daily should work better for AS. Much closer to right-sized aircraft to make a better go of it.


They’re certainly more likely than Avelo to succeed, but AS has also been unable to make BUR-SFO and BUR-SJC work, much larger markets with much larger AS customer bases. So we’ll see.

I think those two routes might not work out because of southwest dominance in Burbank
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Sat Apr 17, 2021 5:23 am

Wneast wrote:
ucdtim17 wrote:
Wingtips56 wrote:
I'm guessing that was already planned, as AS moves conservatively. AS being daily and Avelo being ...untested... and not daily should work better for AS. Much closer to right-sized aircraft to make a better go of it.


They’re certainly more likely than Avelo to succeed, but AS has also been unable to make BUR-SFO and BUR-SJC work, much larger markets with much larger AS customer bases. So we’ll see.

I think those two routes might not work out because of southwest dominance in Burbank

Might not have
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Sat Apr 17, 2021 6:01 am

I would be interest to see what kind of traffic both Avelo and Alaska picks up. Is the market at STS bigger than people realize? STS does have a large catchment area.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Sat Apr 17, 2021 6:24 am

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I would be interest to see what kind of traffic both Avelo and Alaska picks up. Is the market at STS bigger than people realize? STS does have a large catchment area.

If you can get people out of their cars
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Sun Apr 18, 2021 1:59 am

Just out of curiosity, I can't find the new (additional) SAN/SNA-STS flights that are supposed to start on 9/8; is it just me or have they been announced but not added into the skeds yet? If that is the case, that's unusual for AS to announce new service and not have the flights listed for booking.

I know that AS had scheduled double-daily SAN-STS service last year but it was blown away by Covid. This year we should see the added capacity -- I assume it is to be double-daily.

I also assume SNA will have to shed an existing flight to gain another STS run. I wonder what that will be?

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Sun Apr 18, 2021 2:22 am

SANFan wrote:
Just out of curiosity, I can't find the new (additional) SAN/SNA-STS flights that are supposed to start on 9/8; is it just me or have they been announced but not added into the skeds yet? If that is the case, that's unusual for AS to announce new service and not have the flights listed for booking.

I know that AS had scheduled double-daily SAN-STS service last year but it was blown away by Covid. This year we should see the added capacity -- I assume it is to be double-daily.

I also assume SNA will have to shed an existing flight to gain another STS run. I wonder what that will be?

bb


Yeah...probably too early. I'm hoping for the day AS decides to fly mainline to STS...probably from SEA.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Sun Apr 18, 2021 3:25 am

Would anyone know what percentage of the fleet has the satellite WiFi installed? Apologies if this has already been answered. It's my understanding that the 737-700s and the E175s would stay with the normal Gogo internet anyways.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Sun Apr 18, 2021 4:16 am

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All four are scheduled on the 17th



They've been scheduled for the next day each day since they were grounded, sounds as though this electrical issue may be a little bigger then originally reported.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Sun Apr 18, 2021 4:38 am

bd777 wrote:
Would anyone know what percentage of the fleet has the satellite WiFi installed? Apologies if this has already been answered. It's my understanding that the 737-700s and the E175s would stay with the normal Gogo internet anyways.


737-700s, original 737-900s and E-175s do not have satellite WiFi and I don't believe they will be getting it. Most of the rest of the fleet does, but there are still some 737-800s and a few 737-900ers that have not received the upgrade yet. The 737-MAXs are not active yet. Alaska stopped doing the installs when COVID hit to reduce expenses.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Sun Apr 18, 2021 1:02 pm

bd777 wrote:
Would anyone know what percentage of the fleet has the satellite WiFi installed? Apologies if this has already been answered. It's my understanding that the 737-700s and the E175s would stay with the normal Gogo internet anyways.


Someone has taken the time to do a page dedicated to the Alaska fleet. It’ll show you exactly which planes do and don’t have the satellite WiFi.

https://alaskafleetstatus.weebly.com/
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Sun Apr 18, 2021 4:56 pm

RWRCAS wrote:
bd777 wrote:
Would anyone know what percentage of the fleet has the satellite WiFi installed? Apologies if this has already been answered. It's my understanding that the 737-700s and the E175s would stay with the normal Gogo internet anyways.


737-700s, original 737-900s and E-175s do not have satellite WiFi and I don't believe they will be getting it. Most of the rest of the fleet does, but there are still some 737-800s and a few 737-900ers that have not received the upgrade yet. The 737-MAXs are not active yet. Alaska stopped doing the installs when COVID hit to reduce expenses.


As I recall, there is not currently an approved 2Ku satellite modification for the E175 so I doubt the 175s will get it any time soon.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Sun Apr 18, 2021 7:29 pm

alasizon wrote:
RWRCAS wrote:
bd777 wrote:
Would anyone know what percentage of the fleet has the satellite WiFi installed? Apologies if this has already been answered. It's my understanding that the 737-700s and the E175s would stay with the normal Gogo internet anyways.


737-700s, original 737-900s and E-175s do not have satellite WiFi and I don't believe they will be getting it. Most of the rest of the fleet does, but there are still some 737-800s and a few 737-900ers that have not received the upgrade yet. The 737-MAXs are not active yet. Alaska stopped doing the installs when COVID hit to reduce expenses.


As I recall, there is not currently an approved 2Ku satellite modification for the E175 so I doubt the 175s will get it any time soon.


Given that 90% of the route structure for the E175 is within the lower 48, 2Ku for the E175s seems like an additional expense that wouldn't add much value for AS even if it was available.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Sun Apr 18, 2021 7:40 pm

gmcc wrote:
alasizon wrote:
RWRCAS wrote:

737-700s, original 737-900s and E-175s do not have satellite WiFi and I don't believe they will be getting it. Most of the rest of the fleet does, but there are still some 737-800s and a few 737-900ers that have not received the upgrade yet. The 737-MAXs are not active yet. Alaska stopped doing the installs when COVID hit to reduce expenses.


As I recall, there is not currently an approved 2Ku satellite modification for the E175 so I doubt the 175s will get it any time soon.


Given that 90% of the route structure for the E175 is within the lower 48, 2Ku for the E175s seems like an additional expense that wouldn't add much value for AS even if it was available.


2Ku also has additional benefit for the total bandwidth available which benefits the routes 2 hours and longer where more people try to stream via WiFi.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Mon Apr 19, 2021 2:53 am

Interesting that 492 hasn’t come back from paint yet. It went down on 04/01. Taking an awful long time to paint compared to normal.
 
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Mon Apr 19, 2021 3:51 am

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Interesting that 492 hasn’t come back from paint yet. It went down on 04/01. Taking an awful long time to paint compared to normal.


Maybe it's another theme airplane.
 
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Mon Apr 19, 2021 3:53 am

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seahawks7757 wrote:
Interesting that 492 hasn’t come back from paint yet. It went down on 04/01. Taking an awful long time to paint compared to normal.


Maybe it's another theme airplane.


Even oneworld wouldn’t take this long. But who knows.
 
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Mon Apr 19, 2021 4:04 am

seahawks7757 wrote:
wedgetail737 wrote:
seahawks7757 wrote:
Interesting that 492 hasn’t come back from paint yet. It went down on 04/01. Taking an awful long time to paint compared to normal.


Maybe it's another theme airplane.


Even oneworld wouldn’t take this long. But who knows.


I was thinking more along the lines of a Kraken theme plane, another Timbers aircraft or another Disney airplane. Just hunches.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Mon Apr 19, 2021 7:55 am

wedgetail737 wrote:
seahawks7757 wrote:
wedgetail737 wrote:

Maybe it's another theme airplane.


Even oneworld wouldn’t take this long. But who knows.


I was thinking more along the lines of a Kraken theme plane, another Timbers aircraft or another Disney airplane. Just hunches.


Good point, so many theme plane possibilities. Could it be another Boeing house colors one? I know on social media they said the death of 512 was temporary, though I expect it on a MAX and not a -900ER
 
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Re: Alaska Announces LAX-AUS, SAN-JFK

Mon Apr 19, 2021 10:44 am

Why only using E175 AUS-LAX?? is the demand low for a 320 or 739?


tphuang wrote:
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Alaska Airlines has announced two new routes from SoCal:

- Daily Los Angeles to Austin on the E-175 starting March 18. This route increases to 3x daily from May 20. LAX-AUS will now have seven carriers on the route.

- Daily San Diego to New York JFK on the 737-900 starting April 4.

https://newsroom.alaskaair.com/2021-01- ... California

It seemed like AS was backing out of JFK. Odd.

well, they also don't want to lose their JFK slots.
 
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Why so many cancellations on AS 321 lately?

Mon Apr 19, 2021 10:48 am

Anyone have any updates on the recent cancellations of AS 321s from LAX -DCA AND SEA DCA?
 
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Mon Apr 19, 2021 4:32 pm

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Why only using E175 AUS-LAX?? is the demand low for a 320 or 739?

They're doing the same thing at SAN - going to triple-daily to AUS using just EMJs. I'm sure one or both of the routes will see some upgraded equipment at some point. (Yes, I realize LA-AUS is a much larger market but there's a lot more competition from LA than there is from SAN.)

(BTW, I see that LA-AUS now shows 3x daily starting in late July - still all-EMJs!)

Also, it looks like AS did a schedule update Sat night but I don't know the full scope of it yet; I know that they added the additional SAN/SNA-STS flights that had been announced a few days ago. Those new frequencies are effective Sept 8 so AS is working farther ahead as the year goes on.

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Mon Apr 19, 2021 4:54 pm

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Why only using E175 AUS-LAX?? is the demand low for a 320 or 739?


Did you look at the other carriers, equipment and frequencies in the market? AUS-LAX has six other operating carriers in the market with non-stops, checking next Monday's schedules. E75s, A320s, 738s. Three of them are bigger than AS at LAX; those three and two more are bigger than AS at AUS (maybe all six, relying on BTS data).
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Mon Apr 19, 2021 9:05 pm

seahawks7757 wrote:
wedgetail737 wrote:
seahawks7757 wrote:

Even oneworld wouldn’t take this long. But who knows.


I was thinking more along the lines of a Kraken theme plane, another Timbers aircraft or another Disney airplane. Just hunches.


Good point, so many theme plane possibilities. Could it be another Boeing house colors one? I know on social media they said the death of 512 was temporary, though I expect it on a MAX and not a -900ER


Looks like they are expecting it to come out on the 24th. I have two hunches, one being that it's a new theme plane or the other is that they found that instead of just the body that they have been doing they realized they needed to strip and repaint the wings. Most of the recent paints have been body only because the wing paint was still in good shape if my memory is correct. That is one reason they were able to quickly repaint the VX aircraft so quickly is they didn't repaint the wings.
 
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Re: Why so many cancellations on AS 321 lately?

Mon Apr 19, 2021 9:11 pm

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Anyone have any updates on the recent cancellations of AS 321s from LAX -DCA AND SEA DCA?


Today's DCA-LAX cancel is AC damage.

Which other ones are you looking for?
 
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Re: Why so many cancellations on AS 321 lately?

Mon Apr 19, 2021 9:18 pm

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Anyone have any updates on the recent cancellations of AS 321s from LAX -DCA AND SEA DCA?


I show AS1/2 was cancelled on the 10th and that was the only cancel within the past 40 days. AS3/4 hasn't cancelled at all, AS5/6 cancelled on the 11th.

So two cancels over 40 days plus a one-way cancel for damage today doesn't seem like "so many"
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Mon Apr 19, 2021 10:16 pm

durangomac wrote:
seahawks7757 wrote:
wedgetail737 wrote:

I was thinking more along the lines of a Kraken theme plane, another Timbers aircraft or another Disney airplane. Just hunches.


Good point, so many theme plane possibilities. Could it be another Boeing house colors one? I know on social media they said the death of 512 was temporary, though I expect it on a MAX and not a -900ER


Looks like they are expecting it to come out on the 24th. I have two hunches, one being that it's a new theme plane or the other is that they found that instead of just the body that they have been doing they realized they needed to strip and repaint the wings. Most of the recent paints have been body only because the wing paint was still in good shape if my memory is correct. That is one reason they were able to quickly repaint the VX aircraft so quickly is they didn't repaint the wings.



To my understanding they didn’t even take the paint off the VX. Just painted over it to get the virgin branding gone as quickly as possible to not have to pay Branson
 
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Re: Why so many cancellations on AS 321 lately?

Mon Apr 19, 2021 10:26 pm

I thought I saw on flightaware last week again LAX and DCA was cancelled on the more to love n926va.


durangomac wrote:
b777900 wrote:
Anyone have any updates on the recent cancellations of AS 321s from LAX -DCA AND SEA DCA?


Today's DCA-LAX cancel is AC damage.

Which other ones are you looking for?
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Mon Apr 19, 2021 10:40 pm

seahawks7757 wrote:
durangomac wrote:
seahawks7757 wrote:

Good point, so many theme plane possibilities. Could it be another Boeing house colors one? I know on social media they said the death of 512 was temporary, though I expect it on a MAX and not a -900ER


Looks like they are expecting it to come out on the 24th. I have two hunches, one being that it's a new theme plane or the other is that they found that instead of just the body that they have been doing they realized they needed to strip and repaint the wings. Most of the recent paints have been body only because the wing paint was still in good shape if my memory is correct. That is one reason they were able to quickly repaint the VX aircraft so quickly is they didn't repaint the wings.



To my understanding they didn’t even take the paint off the VX. Just painted over it to get the virgin branding gone as quickly as possible to not have to pay Branson


They did have to strip the body of the VX paint, the VX paint on most was nearing time to be repainted already.
 
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Re: Why so many cancellations on AS 321 lately?

Mon Apr 19, 2021 10:45 pm

b777900 wrote:
I thought I saw on flightaware last week again LAX and DCA was cancelled on the more to love n926va.


durangomac wrote:
b777900 wrote:
Anyone have any updates on the recent cancellations of AS 321s from LAX -DCA AND SEA DCA?


Today's DCA-LAX cancel is AC damage.

Which other ones are you looking for?


The only cancel contributed to N926VA were a SEA-SFO roundtrip for MX on the 13th.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Tue Apr 20, 2021 3:09 am

durangomac wrote:
seahawks7757 wrote:
durangomac wrote:

Looks like they are expecting it to come out on the 24th. I have two hunches, one being that it's a new theme plane or the other is that they found that instead of just the body that they have been doing they realized they needed to strip and repaint the wings. Most of the recent paints have been body only because the wing paint was still in good shape if my memory is correct. That is one reason they were able to quickly repaint the VX aircraft so quickly is they didn't repaint the wings.



To my understanding they didn’t even take the paint off the VX. Just painted over it to get the virgin branding gone as quickly as possible to not have to pay Branson


They did have to strip the body of the VX paint, the VX paint on most was nearing time to be repainted already.



Maybe that was just some of them. My friend was telling me they could still see the paint on it cause they just through a coat over the VX colors when they recently repainted one.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Tue Apr 20, 2021 7:04 pm

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durangomac wrote:
seahawks7757 wrote:


To my understanding they didn’t even take the paint off the VX. Just painted over it to get the virgin branding gone as quickly as possible to not have to pay Branson


They did have to strip the body of the VX paint, the VX paint on most was nearing time to be repainted already.



Maybe that was just some of them. My friend was telling me they could still see the paint on it cause they just through a coat over the VX colors when they recently repainted one.


That would be hard to believe to be honest just because of the added weight would cost a lot of money to fly around, now there are parts on planes that you don't strip like composites, those do just get a new layer.

I just looked at the empty weights of a few aircraft and most were weighted within 200 lbs of their previous weight. I know the AS current scheme is heavier due to the tail art and gradients. A320 from my research take 500-600 lbs of paint, I just don't see how they could just do a cover coat and use only 100-150 lbs of paint.
 
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Will DCA ever get DCA-PDX?? maybe 321 service...
 
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Will DCA ever get DCA-PDX?? maybe 321 service...


With what beyond perimeter slots?
 
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Tue Apr 20, 2021 11:36 pm

There is already a slot for PDX-DCA. The flight is currently suspended due to demand, but is scheduled to return this summer. 764 is the outbound, not sure of the inbound.
 
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Tue Apr 20, 2021 11:47 pm

seahawks7757 wrote:
durangomac wrote:
seahawks7757 wrote:


To my understanding they didn’t even take the paint off the VX. Just painted over it to get the virgin branding gone as quickly as possible to not have to pay Branson


They did have to strip the body of the VX paint, the VX paint on most was nearing time to be repainted already.



Maybe that was just some of them. My friend was telling me they could still see the paint on it cause they just through a coat over the VX colors when they recently repainted one.



I’ve flown on many WN birds in which you could still see some bits of Canyon Blue. The engines and wings get sanded down, so it doesn’t completely remove the previous paint.

A bit OT, however I have noticed paint chips around the engine nacelles and even other components of the engine, and it looks to be that it’s bare metal instead of composite. Can anyone explain that?
 
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Wed Apr 21, 2021 2:28 am

SXDFC wrote:
seahawks7757 wrote:
durangomac wrote:

They did have to strip the body of the VX paint, the VX paint on most was nearing time to be repainted already.



Maybe that was just some of them. My friend was telling me they could still see the paint on it cause they just through a coat over the VX colors when they recently repainted one.



I’ve flown on many WN birds in which you could still see some bits of Canyon Blue. The engines and wings get sanded down, so it doesn’t completely remove the previous paint.


At F9. when I was there working on the induction of N204FR (Freedom), we got that aircraft from AirBerlin. You could still see the red paint in every nook and cranny on that fuselage. That plane had the FRONTIER titles painted over the AirBerlin livery. It was never stripped.
 
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Wed Apr 21, 2021 2:48 am

b777900 wrote:
Will DCA ever get DCA-PDX?? maybe 321 service...


AS has flown DCA-PDX for years. Suspended during the pandemic but scheduled to return next month.
 
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Wed Apr 21, 2021 3:06 am

Chugach wrote:
b777900 wrote:
Will DCA ever get DCA-PDX?? maybe 321 service...


AS has flown DCA-PDX for years. Suspended during the pandemic but scheduled to return next month.


I'm hoping the DOT/FAA opens additional beyond-perimeter slots.
 
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Wed Apr 21, 2021 7:50 am

AirframeAS wrote:
SXDFC wrote:
seahawks7757 wrote:


Maybe that was just some of them. My friend was telling me they could still see the paint on it cause they just through a coat over the VX colors when they recently repainted one.



I’ve flown on many WN birds in which you could still see some bits of Canyon Blue. The engines and wings get sanded down, so it doesn’t completely remove the previous paint.


At F9. when I was there working on the induction of N204FR (Freedom), we got that aircraft from AirBerlin. You could still see the red paint in every nook and cranny on that fuselage. That plane had the FRONTIER titles painted over the AirBerlin livery. It was never stripped.


There's a few Southwest -700's that have some AirTran green poking through the paint too.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Wed Apr 21, 2021 9:09 am

wedgetail737 wrote:
Chugach wrote:
b777900 wrote:
Will DCA ever get DCA-PDX?? maybe 321 service...


AS has flown DCA-PDX for years. Suspended during the pandemic but scheduled to return next month.


I'm hoping the DOT/FAA opens additional beyond-perimeter slots.

You are going to be hoping for a while. The DOT/FAA are not the ones who create the beyond perimeter-slots, and I doubt that is a priority for Congress at the moment.

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