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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Sat Jun 19, 2021 3:47 pm

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SANFan wrote:
wedgetail737 wrote:
Oh...that's too bad.

I personally would rather see double-daily QX service to SAN instead of a single mainline flight. Apparently the traffic is not yet at the level to support 2 flights where at least one of them is mainline. Twice the time options is more important AFAIC. (I also think part of the equation is what WN is doing in the market; there's no way WN could run double daily service with their a/c.)

GEG-SAN is a similar market where we seem to see either a single mainline flight - currently a 739! - or sometimes we'll have 2x daily EMJ service. WN seems to have abandoned this market for now.

Looks to me like BOI is heading for Focus City-status pretty quickly with AS! Great to see AAG taking advantage of the success they're having in BOI!

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I agree that multiple flights is better and I'm happy to see the second SAN flight return. More flights/destinations is always better, even if it's not mainline. It was more just wishful thinking on my part.

Honestly, I like their strategy at BOI of adding new destinations, even to markets that were already served, to give their loyal FF base a lot of options. They've found success on crowded routes like LAX, SAN, and SJC. Apparently even ORD is starting strong. The AUS flight was unexpected and is apparently also off to a good start.

From my experience this week, they could probably add a third BOI-GEG flight too, especially since WN does not appear to be returning to that route.


A third GEG-BOI flight would also provide potentially better connecting opportunities.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Sat Jun 19, 2021 6:23 pm

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sprxUSA wrote:
oosnowrat wrote:

Ida know. G4 is less than daily. AA and WN each only have a couple nonstops, and AA's are on CR9s. It looks like GEG and PAE folks could connect in BOI on their way to PHX if they want.

I think there's room for an AS E75.


AA is not CR9s to PHX now. They have 2 319s and some 738s now. I think A to PHX B to DFW with a couple 175s to ORD and DFW.


AA is currently 1x 320, 1x319 to PHX; 3x 738 to DFW and 1x E75 to ORD.

The CR9s only show up in BOI when AA adds more frequency for late winter - they replace the 319 with 2x CR9.

I don't see this as a "bad" add, especially since it is in peak season.


I realize it will likely change, but all that's currently bookable in November - when the new AS service starts - are two YV CR9s.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Mon Jun 21, 2021 3:09 am

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Wneast wrote:
More seasonal BOI adds in the future I would imagine


Wait until the winter time. BTW, as I predicted, the pre-pandemic way that AAG announced routes nearly a year out, has significantly changed with the perils of this pandemic. The carriers well positioned with a few types of aircraft, will be able to respond quickly to emerging markets. I bet we see PDX-RSW in the near future, especially if domestic leisure travel remains king.

PDX-RSW?! If that isn't a wild card, I don't know what is. PDX only recently landed nonstops to TPA... SFO only now got nonstops to RSW (albeit on UA)... PDX doesn't even have MIA! I think the next logical and *realistic* step expansion-wise for PDX is snagging AA to MIA - would be good with AS FF base. And remember that AS's VP of Network Brett Catlin just re-emphasized that for the next 3-5 years, AS will be highly focused on depth over breadth, which translates to favoring increases in frequency system-wide as compared to adding new routes. That definitely does not entail the addition of PDX-RSW... which I doubt will ever happen.


At the latest, seasonal by Nov 2021. I'm betting a 738 to start. I am quite certain the numbers from TPA are from below TPA, it'll bleed off some TPA passengers, but by that time TPA may be year round. FLL from PDX makes sense, MIA does not. FLL has lots of Oregonians with vacation property, while on the gulf side it's Naples.

While MIA is a good connecting opportunity, the PDEW from PDX to the Caribbean & South America is rather low & many of those popular places can be accessed via ATL, LAX, IAH or DFW. Have you also noticed both FLL & TPA have come post pandemic? That's people staying domestic for vacations, that'll be AS providing service where people fly from the PNW.
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Mon Jun 21, 2021 4:48 am

RWA380 wrote:
sfojvjets wrote:
RWA380 wrote:

Wait until the winter time. BTW, as I predicted, the pre-pandemic way that AAG announced routes nearly a year out, has significantly changed with the perils of this pandemic. The carriers well positioned with a few types of aircraft, will be able to respond quickly to emerging markets. I bet we see PDX-RSW in the near future, especially if domestic leisure travel remains king.

PDX-RSW?! If that isn't a wild card, I don't know what is. PDX only recently landed nonstops to TPA... SFO only now got nonstops to RSW (albeit on UA)... PDX doesn't even have MIA! I think the next logical and *realistic* step expansion-wise for PDX is snagging AA to MIA - would be good with AS FF base. And remember that AS's VP of Network Brett Catlin just re-emphasized that for the next 3-5 years, AS will be highly focused on depth over breadth, which translates to favoring increases in frequency system-wide as compared to adding new routes. That definitely does not entail the addition of PDX-RSW... which I doubt will ever happen.


At the latest, seasonal by Nov 2021. I'm betting a 738 to start. I am quite certain the numbers from TPA are from below TPA, it'll bleed off some TPA passengers, but by that time TPA may be year round. FLL from PDX makes sense, MIA does not. FLL has lots of Oregonians with vacation property, while on the gulf side it's Naples.
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PDXMIA make a ton of sense. That's nonsense. It's technically not unserved anymore since Miami and Fort Lauderdale are one in the same, but it's a larger market than RSW or TPA, obviously.

American will probably launch it come December. A lot of new routes coming for Miami soon on AA. Miami is one of the first major airport to have exceeded pre-pandemic traffic levels, and that's with international demand still depressed.
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Mon Jun 21, 2021 5:26 am

Does anyone know why they haven’t flown the max to Alaska yet?
 
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Mon Jun 21, 2021 5:54 am

32andBelow wrote:
Does anyone know why they haven’t flown the max to Alaska yet?


You ask this question about every week.
 
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Mon Jun 21, 2021 5:54 am

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At the latest, seasonal by Nov 2021.

Ok. I will definitely take you up on that. Just wondering how you think PDX will get RSW before they get MIA... very implausible.
 
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Mon Jun 21, 2021 5:59 am

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32andBelow wrote:
Does anyone know why they haven’t flown the max to Alaska yet?


You ask this question about every week.

None of the AS guys have answered lol
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Mon Jun 21, 2021 6:16 am

I think it's been to Juneau once.
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Mon Jun 21, 2021 7:22 am

AS has been sending 739ERs into OGG.
Are there any payload restrictions?
 
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Mon Jun 21, 2021 8:58 am

32andBelow wrote:
jbs2886 wrote:
32andBelow wrote:
Does anyone know why they haven’t flown the max to Alaska yet?


You ask this question about every week.

None of the AS guys have answered lol


Probably because they don’t know the answer or aren’t allowed to share it.

Continually asking isn’t going to change that.
 
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Mon Jun 21, 2021 2:08 pm

The MAX has been to KTN JNU and I think ANC as part of the proving runs. Currently the MAX is staying close to home with SoCal and LAs to Sea/Pdx. As more get delivered expect to see the route network branch out. Also currently the ANC base is in the process or just completed their MAX sims.
 
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Mon Jun 21, 2021 4:52 pm

USAirKid wrote:
32andBelow wrote:
jbs2886 wrote:

You ask this question about every week.

None of the AS guys have answered lol


Probably because they don’t know the answer or aren’t allowed to share it.

Continually asking isn’t going to change that.

Well I just got the answer below. The base just got trained lol
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Mon Jun 21, 2021 5:05 pm

https://simpleflying.com/portland-oppor ... -airlines/ These are exciting times for PDX....I'm anxiously excited to finally see AS unveiling of their big expansion plans for Portland....
 
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Mon Jun 21, 2021 5:21 pm

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https://simpleflying.com/portland-opportunities-alaska-airlines/ These are exciting times for PDX....I'm anxiously excited to finally see AS unveiling of their big expansion plans for Portland....

My dream would be Portland being a major connecting hub so Seattle can be avoided often
 
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Mon Jun 21, 2021 5:56 pm

32andBelow wrote:
lhpdx wrote:
https://simpleflying.com/portland-opportunities-alaska-airlines/ These are exciting times for PDX....I'm anxiously excited to finally see AS unveiling of their big expansion plans for Portland....

My dream would be Portland being a major connecting hub so Seattle can be avoided often


That's been my dream as well..Hopefully, with AS now having both CC-B and CC-C with a total of 32 gates once the dust settles, there will be a lot of capacity for big growth opportunities...
 
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Mon Jun 21, 2021 6:30 pm

lhpdx wrote:
https://simpleflying.com/portland-opportunities-alaska-airlines/ These are exciting times for PDX....I'm anxiously excited to finally see AS unveiling of their big expansion plans for Portland....

"You think about Denver, we should be flying that three or four times a day instead of once a day"

I just flew PDX-DEN on Saturday, followed by DEN-PDX on Sunday (both segments on AS, of course). Both flights were packed full. 24 hours before my outbound flight to Denver, I even got an email stating that they were looking for volunteers to be scheduled for a later flight with a connection in Seattle (likely because the PDX-DEN flight was overbooked). Would love to see this route offered 3-4x daily, although I think they would end up converting the frequencies to E175 jets if they were to do this.

It was also mentioned that PDX-ATL could return as well. I think ATL, FAI, PHL and BWI could all return with some or all of those routes operating year-round. ABQ/MCI/MSP are scheduled for mainline upgrades in the placeholder schedule. I hope that plan sticks.

Things are certainly looking very optimistic at the moment.
 
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Mon Jun 21, 2021 6:33 pm

lhpdx wrote:
https://simpleflying.com/portland-opportunities-alaska-airlines/ These are exciting times for PDX....I'm anxiously excited to finally see AS unveiling of their big expansion plans for Portland....


Hoping to see PDX-STL come back.
 
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Mon Jun 21, 2021 6:37 pm

Dash8Driver16 wrote:
The MAX has been to KTN JNU and I think ANC as part of the proving runs. Currently the MAX is staying close to home with SoCal and LAs to Sea/Pdx. As more get delivered expect to see the route network branch out. Also currently the ANC base is in the process or just completed their MAX sims.


Max is scheduled to Hawaii starting in July.
 
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Mon Jun 21, 2021 6:51 pm

sfojvjets wrote:
RWA380 wrote:
At the latest, seasonal by Nov 2021.

Ok. I will definitely take you up on that. Just wondering how you think PDX will get RSW before they get MIA... very implausible.


In addition, you'll see mentioned in the article above, you can add ATL, STL, BNA, OMA, IAH & more DEN dailies to that. As I have explained else where in this thread, PDX is a very important market to AAG. Nothing low hanging is going unexplored.

I explained how I know, I've sold travel for over 25 years, here & elsewhere, I know where Portland's monied folks have vacation homes. I know where lots of Portlanders have relocated in retirement or success. While MIA would provide connecting opportunities, the traffic to S. Florida from here, is FLL or PBI on the Atlantic side & TPA, but mostly lower South on the gulf side.
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Mon Jun 21, 2021 8:08 pm

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I know where lots of Portlanders have relocated in retirement...


We could use more reliable nonstops to PVR, where we’re in the process of getting a second place. At least weekly in summer would help. Right now a connection is necessary and fares are very high.
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Mon Jun 21, 2021 11:46 pm

jbpdx wrote:
RWA380 wrote:
I know where lots of Portlanders have relocated in retirement...


We could use more reliable nonstops to PVR, where we’re in the process of getting a second place. At least weekly in summer would help. Right now a connection is necessary and fares are very high.


PV is popular & as soon as International tourism rebounds, you'll see AS back flying n/s to SJD & PVR, we will likely see CUN return this winter if the travel returns, to Mexico. I've heard another carrier is looking at SJD - PDX, but I know not who that is.
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Tue Jun 22, 2021 12:14 am

ASFlyer wrote:
Dash8Driver16 wrote:
The MAX has been to KTN JNU and I think ANC as part of the proving runs. Currently the MAX is staying close to home with SoCal and LAs to Sea/Pdx. As more get delivered expect to see the route network branch out. Also currently the ANC base is in the process or just completed their MAX sims.


Max is scheduled to Hawaii starting in July.


Do you know exactly what routes are impacted? I looked for random Saturdays in July from SAN, SJC, SFO, PDX, SEA & LAX, not one MAX, but PDX, SJC & SFO now have the 737-990ER scheduled. It was my understanding the 990ER's were runway pigs!? I've taken one PDX-HNL, it took up a lot of runway. Is AS blocking seats or what is the change in practice due to?
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Tue Jun 22, 2021 1:03 am

Anyone able to offer insight into the AS crewing of east coast turns (for the plane)....does the crew turn as well, or are these layovers for AS?
 
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Tue Jun 22, 2021 1:50 am

32andBelow wrote:
lhpdx wrote:
https://simpleflying.com/portland-opportunities-alaska-airlines/ These are exciting times for PDX....I'm anxiously excited to finally see AS unveiling of their big expansion plans for Portland....

My dream would be Portland being a major connecting hub so Seattle can be avoided often

You may as well ask AA to build a hub in SAT so you can avoid DFW. PDX doesn't have the O&D. AS may test PDX-xxx for non-stop premiums but isn't going to build PDX in competition with SEA.
 
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Tue Jun 22, 2021 1:53 am

MIflyer12 wrote:
32andBelow wrote:
lhpdx wrote:
https://simpleflying.com/portland-opportunities-alaska-airlines/ These are exciting times for PDX....I'm anxiously excited to finally see AS unveiling of their big expansion plans for Portland....

My dream would be Portland being a major connecting hub so Seattle can be avoided often

You may as well ask AA to build a hub in SAT so you can avoid DFW. PDX doesn't have the O&D. AS may test PDX-xxx for non-stop premiums but isn't going to build PDX in competition with SEA.

That’s why it’s a dream. But it would be cool to have some of the NS there for relief then they’d free up a bunch of gates at sea.
 
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Tue Jun 22, 2021 2:19 am

32andBelow wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
32andBelow wrote:
My dream would be Portland being a major connecting hub so Seattle can be avoided often

You may as well ask AA to build a hub in SAT so you can avoid DFW. PDX doesn't have the O&D. AS may test PDX-xxx for non-stop premiums but isn't going to build PDX in competition with SEA.

That’s why it’s a dream. But it would be cool to have some of the NS there for relief then they’d free up a bunch of gates at sea.


Free up a bunch of gates at SEA? AS is going occupy as many gates at SEA as they can to keep DL at bay. I don't think loading up PDX is going to impact SEA's traffic at all. But maybe it will strengthen their position at PDX to keep other airlines at bay there.
 
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Tue Jun 22, 2021 3:10 am

RWA380 wrote:
ASFlyer wrote:
Dash8Driver16 wrote:
The MAX has been to KTN JNU and I think ANC as part of the proving runs. Currently the MAX is staying close to home with SoCal and LAs to Sea/Pdx. As more get delivered expect to see the route network branch out. Also currently the ANC base is in the process or just completed their MAX sims.


Max is scheduled to Hawaii starting in July.


Do you know exactly what routes are impacted? I looked for random Saturdays in July from SAN, SJC, SFO, PDX, SEA & LAX, not one MAX, but PDX, SJC & SFO now have the 737-990ER scheduled. It was my understanding the 990ER's were runway pigs!? I've taken one PDX-HNL, it took up a lot of runway. Is AS blocking seats or what is the change in practice due to?


I don’t think any of those airports would have problems with the -900s runway performance. With that being said, if you’re asking where the -800s are going, I know they were being moved to short-medium haul routes…but I’m not sure the timeline on that…there’s also increased demand to Hawaii right now so they might just be using them as they need the capacity there.
 
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Tue Jun 22, 2021 3:14 am

ericm2031 wrote:
RWA380 wrote:
ASFlyer wrote:

Max is scheduled to Hawaii starting in July.


Do you know exactly what routes are impacted? I looked for random Saturdays in July from SAN, SJC, SFO, PDX, SEA & LAX, not one MAX, but PDX, SJC & SFO now have the 737-990ER scheduled. It was my understanding the 990ER's were runway pigs!? I've taken one PDX-HNL, it took up a lot of runway. Is AS blocking seats or what is the change in practice due to?


I don’t think any of those airports would have problems with the -900s runway performance. With that being said, if you’re asking where the -800s are going, I know they were being moved to short-medium haul routes…but I’m not sure the timeline on that…there’s also increased demand to Hawaii right now so they might just be using them as they need the capacity there.


What I failed to mention, it was OGG which like LIH has just over a 6,000 foot runway. There are few 900's going to Hawaii, the vast majority of flights to all Hawaii were on the 800's from all the gateways. SEA has 4 x HNL, 4 x OGG, 3 x KOA & 2 x LIH daily this summer.
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Tue Jun 22, 2021 3:18 am

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Anyone able to offer insight into the AS crewing of east coast turns (for the plane)....does the crew turn as well, or are these layovers for AS?


All Transcon destinations are layovers, even mid-cons like ORD are overnights. I think their duty day is max 10 hours.
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Tue Jun 22, 2021 3:39 am

wedgetail737 wrote:
32andBelow wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
You may as well ask AA to build a hub in SAT so you can avoid DFW. PDX doesn't have the O&D. AS may test PDX-xxx for non-stop premiums but isn't going to build PDX in competition with SEA.

That’s why it’s a dream. But it would be cool to have some of the NS there for relief then they’d free up a bunch of gates at sea.


Free up a bunch of gates at SEA? AS is going occupy as many gates at SEA as they can to keep DL at bay. I don't think loading up PDX is going to impact SEA's traffic at all. But maybe it will strengthen their position at PDX to keep other airlines at bay there.

I mean to grow there. Aren’t they kind of running out of room?
 
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Tue Jun 22, 2021 4:45 am

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What I failed to mention, it was OGG which like LIH has just over a 6,000 foot runway. There are few 900's going to Hawaii, the vast majority of flights to all Hawaii were on the 800's from all the gateways. SEA has 4 x HNL, 4 x OGG, 3 x KOA & 2 x LIH daily this summer.


I was on a scheduled 900ER the other day on OGG-PDX which got swapped to a 800 at the last minute. Was surprised to see the 900ER seat map when I checked in. Figured it was an error since I didn’t think they could get it off the 7000 foot runway there, but the 900ERs have been flying there on an off for a few weeks. I thought the 900ERs only flew to KOA and HNL.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Tue Jun 22, 2021 5:27 am

RWA380 wrote:
ASFlyer wrote:
Dash8Driver16 wrote:
The MAX has been to KTN JNU and I think ANC as part of the proving runs. Currently the MAX is staying close to home with SoCal and LAs to Sea/Pdx. As more get delivered expect to see the route network branch out. Also currently the ANC base is in the process or just completed their MAX sims.


Max is scheduled to Hawaii starting in July.


Do you know exactly what routes are impacted? I looked for random Saturdays in July from SAN, SJC, SFO, PDX, SEA & LAX, not one MAX, but PDX, SJC & SFO now have the 737-990ER scheduled. It was my understanding the 990ER's were runway pigs!? I've taken one PDX-HNL, it took up a lot of runway. Is AS blocking seats or what is the change in practice due to?


HNL and KOA from SEA beginning July 19, then more in the fall.

RWA380 wrote:
N3340W wrote:
Anyone able to offer insight into the AS crewing of east coast turns (for the plane)....does the crew turn as well, or are these layovers for AS?


All Transcon destinations are layovers, even mid-cons like ORD are overnights. I think their duty day is max 10 hours.


all transcon are layovers but a lot of midcon are turns. ORD, MKE, IND, BNA, AUS, DFW, SAT, STL, MCI, CVG and DTW all have or do operate as turns. Some of these have or do also operate as layovers sometimes. The FA's max duty day is 10.5 hours EXCEPT that they can go up to 12.5 hours if the trip is no more than 4,000 miles round trip, begins and ends from the same city, is no more than two legs and has no more than 90 minutes on the ground.
 
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Tue Jun 22, 2021 1:58 pm

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wedgetail737 wrote:
32andBelow wrote:
That’s why it’s a dream. But it would be cool to have some of the NS there for relief then they’d free up a bunch of gates at sea.


Free up a bunch of gates at SEA? AS is going occupy as many gates at SEA as they can to keep DL at bay. I don't think loading up PDX is going to impact SEA's traffic at all. But maybe it will strengthen their position at PDX to keep other airlines at bay there.

I mean to grow there. Aren’t they kind of running out of room?


Yes and no...AS still uses gates in both the B and S concourses. The N-concourse has still yet to open completely. I think there are 4 or 5 gates yet to reopen there. And of course they have hardstands, served by buses from the D-concourse extension.

But I think you're right, SEA, overall, is getting a bit crowded. If AS is/has taken over all of the B and C concourses at PDX, there's a lot of room for growth there, whether it's new destinations or adding frequency.
 
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Tue Jun 22, 2021 2:24 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
32andBelow wrote:
lhpdx wrote:
https://simpleflying.com/portland-opportunities-alaska-airlines/ These are exciting times for PDX....I'm anxiously excited to finally see AS unveiling of their big expansion plans for Portland....

My dream would be Portland being a major connecting hub so Seattle can be avoided often

You may as well ask AA to build a hub in SAT so you can avoid DFW. PDX doesn't have the O&D. AS may test PDX-xxx for non-stop premiums but isn't going to build PDX in competition with SEA.

No one here is suggesting that a PDX build-up would be as large as SEA. But SEA is overcrowded and overserved. Spillover to PDX is only bound to happen eventually.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Tue Jun 22, 2021 2:33 pm

wedgetail737 wrote:
32andBelow wrote:
wedgetail737 wrote:

Free up a bunch of gates at SEA? AS is going occupy as many gates at SEA as they can to keep DL at bay. I don't think loading up PDX is going to impact SEA's traffic at all. But maybe it will strengthen their position at PDX to keep other airlines at bay there.

I mean to grow there. Aren’t they kind of running out of room?


Yes and no...AS still uses gates in both the B and S concourses. The N-concourse has still yet to open completely. I think there are 4 or 5 gates yet to reopen there. And of course they have hardstands, served by buses from the D-concourse extension.

But I think you're right, SEA, overall, is getting a bit crowded. If AS is/has taken over all of the B and C concourses at PDX, there's a lot of room for growth there, whether it's new destinations or adding frequency.


The dreaded hardstands at SEA are back in operation, huh?
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Tue Jun 22, 2021 4:28 pm

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The dreaded hardstands at SEA are back in operation, huh?


They were a few weeks ago when I passed through. Are they going away once N is fully open?

I've been stuck on the B gates a lot recently. Not a fan.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Tue Jun 22, 2021 6:58 pm

ASFlyer wrote:
RWA380 wrote:
ASFlyer wrote:

Max is scheduled to Hawaii starting in July.


Do you know exactly what routes are impacted? I looked for random Saturdays in July from SAN, SJC, SFO, PDX, SEA & LAX, not one MAX, but PDX, SJC & SFO now have the 737-990ER scheduled. It was my understanding the 990ER's were runway pigs!? I've taken one PDX-HNL, it took up a lot of runway. Is AS blocking seats or what is the change in practice due to?


HNL and KOA from SEA beginning July 19, then more in the fall.

RWA380 wrote:
N3340W wrote:
Anyone able to offer insight into the AS crewing of east coast turns (for the plane)....does the crew turn as well, or are these layovers for AS?


All Transcon destinations are layovers, even mid-cons like ORD are overnights. I think their duty day is max 10 hours.


all transcon are layovers but a lot of midcon are turns. ORD, MKE, IND, BNA, AUS, DFW, SAT, STL, MCI, CVG and DTW all have or do operate as turns. Some of these have or do also operate as layovers sometimes. The FA's max duty day is 10.5 hours EXCEPT that they can go up to 12.5 hours if the trip is no more than 4,000 miles round trip, begins and ends from the same city, is no more than two legs and has no more than 90 minutes on the ground.


Thanks for that on the MAX's I was looking Jul 10-17th. As far as ORD is concerned, it seems we are both right. I just texted my PDX based AS F/A friend & she flies PDX-ORD quite a bit, (She got tired of FL & HI) so for a change of pace she is flying June & Jul to ORD at least once a week. In the summer, AS laysover their ORD destined flight crews. In the winter, they do not. The summer weather creates too many issueswith delays & over-timed crews, so the Mid-Cons, which some are QX like MCI, STL do (depending on destination) have layovers.
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Tue Jun 22, 2021 8:58 pm

RWA380 wrote:
ASFlyer wrote:
RWA380 wrote:

Do you know exactly what routes are impacted? I looked for random Saturdays in July from SAN, SJC, SFO, PDX, SEA & LAX, not one MAX, but PDX, SJC & SFO now have the 737-990ER scheduled. It was my understanding the 990ER's were runway pigs!? I've taken one PDX-HNL, it took up a lot of runway. Is AS blocking seats or what is the change in practice due to?


HNL and KOA from SEA beginning July 19, then more in the fall.

RWA380 wrote:

All Transcon destinations are layovers, even mid-cons like ORD are overnights. I think their duty day is max 10 hours.


all transcon are layovers but a lot of midcon are turns. ORD, MKE, IND, BNA, AUS, DFW, SAT, STL, MCI, CVG and DTW all have or do operate as turns. Some of these have or do also operate as layovers sometimes. The FA's max duty day is 10.5 hours EXCEPT that they can go up to 12.5 hours if the trip is no more than 4,000 miles round trip, begins and ends from the same city, is no more than two legs and has no more than 90 minutes on the ground.


Thanks for that on the MAX's I was looking Jul 10-17th. As far as ORD is concerned, it seems we are both right. I just texted my PDX based AS F/A friend & she flies PDX-ORD quite a bit, (She got tired of FL & HI) so for a change of pace she is flying June & Jul to ORD at least once a week. In the summer, AS laysover their ORD destined flight crews. In the winter, they do not. The summer weather creates too many issueswith delays & over-timed crews, so the Mid-Cons, which some are QX like MCI, STL do (depending on destination) have layovers.


:thumbsup:

some SEA-ORD are operated as turns, some as layovers. There are planes that RON in ORD so they will definitely have layovers, but there are also turns. One particularly gruesome turn right now has the crew checking in at 2256, working the midnight redeye to ORD then turning around and working the 0700 flight back to SEA. Releasing at 0959 I believe. It's ugly but some senior people seem to bid it.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Tue Jun 22, 2021 9:06 pm

Anybody have any thoughts could a BOI to BZN route work at least seasonal lots of people make the seven hour drive ?
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Tue Jun 22, 2021 9:36 pm

wedgetail737 wrote:
BoeingGuy wrote:
wedgetail737 wrote:

Hopefully, those proposed seasonals become year-round.

I also noticed that the inaugural SEA-RDD flight is on its way.


I’m supposed to fly to Redding next week, but we might postpone due to the extreme hot weather forecasted there - even for that area. Might he hard to get outdoors a lot.

Anyone know how the booking are looking for RDD? I hope it works and the route stays.


Hopefully, AS would consider adding a 2nd RDD-SEA flight noon to mid-afternoon so tourists don't have to get up at the butt-crack of dawn to catch a flight home.

Tourists? In RDD???
 
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Wed Jun 23, 2021 12:02 am

UA444 wrote:
wedgetail737 wrote:
BoeingGuy wrote:

I’m supposed to fly to Redding next week, but we might postpone due to the extreme hot weather forecasted there - even for that area. Might he hard to get outdoors a lot.

Anyone know how the booking are looking for RDD? I hope it works and the route stays.


Hopefully, AS would consider adding a 2nd RDD-SEA flight noon to mid-afternoon so tourists don't have to get up at the butt-crack of dawn to catch a flight home.

Tourists? In RDD???


I think they are banking on those campers to Lassen and Shasta.
 
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Wed Jun 23, 2021 12:06 am

ASFlyer wrote:
RWA380 wrote:
ASFlyer wrote:

HNL and KOA from SEA beginning July 19, then more in the fall.



all transcon are layovers but a lot of midcon are turns. ORD, MKE, IND, BNA, AUS, DFW, SAT, STL, MCI, CVG and DTW all have or do operate as turns. Some of these have or do also operate as layovers sometimes. The FA's max duty day is 10.5 hours EXCEPT that they can go up to 12.5 hours if the trip is no more than 4,000 miles round trip, begins and ends from the same city, is no more than two legs and has no more than 90 minutes on the ground.


Thanks for that on the MAX's I was looking Jul 10-17th. As far as ORD is concerned, it seems we are both right. I just texted my PDX based AS F/A friend & she flies PDX-ORD quite a bit, (She got tired of FL & HI) so for a change of pace she is flying June & Jul to ORD at least once a week. In the summer, AS lay overs their ORD destined flight crews. In the winter, they do not. The summer weather creates too many issues with delays & over-timed crews, so the Mid-Cons, which some are QX like MCI, STL do (depending on destination) have layovers.


:thumbsup:

some SEA-ORD are operated as turns, some as layovers. There are planes that RON in ORD so they will definitely have layovers, but there are also turns. One particularly gruesome turn right now has the crew checking in at 2256, working the midnight redeye to ORD then turning around and working the 0700 flight back to SEA. Releasing at 0959 I believe. It's ugly but some senior people seem to bid it.


SEA crewing & PDX crewing are different animals. With many mid-con & East coast trips, PDX often has one flight, where SEA have multiple on most routes. There is more flexibility with SEA crewing. PDX crews are bidding on CVG for next month, operating PDX-SEA-CVG in a day. But the longest routing PDX base crews bid on is MCO-SAN-PDX.

Hawaii can be HNL-SEA-PDX. It's easy to staff the PDX-SEA mainline flights by adding a East Coast, Hawaii or Mid Con add on. PDX crew's were deadheading to OAK on QX & flying the early HI departures from OAK, as SFO does not crew OAK.

SEA crews operated the 737-800 that flew SEA-SMF-OGG all the way through before AS dropped SMF-OGG. I know HI is all overnights. Crews have grown tired, because, based upon the Island you fly to, are either restricted to your room, with only ordered food to the room & a small patio, or you can be in the resort, but not leave. So the layover is no longer a day in Hawaii, but more s night in any hotel. It'll change again I'm sure.
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Wed Jun 23, 2021 3:47 am

RWA380 wrote:
ASFlyer wrote:
RWA380 wrote:

Thanks for that on the MAX's I was looking Jul 10-17th. As far as ORD is concerned, it seems we are both right. I just texted my PDX based AS F/A friend & she flies PDX-ORD quite a bit, (She got tired of FL & HI) so for a change of pace she is flying June & Jul to ORD at least once a week. In the summer, AS lay overs their ORD destined flight crews. In the winter, they do not. The summer weather creates too many issues with delays & over-timed crews, so the Mid-Cons, which some are QX like MCI, STL do (depending on destination) have layovers.


:thumbsup:

some SEA-ORD are operated as turns, some as layovers. There are planes that RON in ORD so they will definitely have layovers, but there are also turns. One particularly gruesome turn right now has the crew checking in at 2256, working the midnight redeye to ORD then turning around and working the 0700 flight back to SEA. Releasing at 0959 I believe. It's ugly but some senior people seem to bid it.


SEA crewing & PDX crewing are different animals. With many mid-con & East coast trips, PDX often has one flight, where SEA have multiple on most routes. There is more flexibility with SEA crewing. PDX crews are bidding on CVG for next month, operating PDX-SEA-CVG in a day. But the longest routing PDX base crews bid on is MCO-SAN-PDX.

Hawaii can be HNL-SEA-PDX. It's easy to staff the PDX-SEA mainline flights by adding a East Coast, Hawaii or Mid Con add on. PDX crew's were deadheading to OAK on QX & flying the early HI departures from OAK, as SFO does not crew OAK.

SEA crews operated the 737-800 that flew SEA-SMF-OGG all the way through before AS dropped SMF-OGG. I know HI is all overnights. Crews have grown tired, because, based upon the Island you fly to, are either restricted to your room, with only ordered food to the room & a small patio, or you can be in the resort, but not leave. So the layover is no longer a day in Hawaii, but more s night in any hotel. It'll change again I'm sure.


To be honest, everything has changed constantly over the last year and a half as flying has been scaled back and then added back. For a while the only flying PDX had came through SEA. So all PDX trips started with a PDX-SEA leg or a DH on QX/OO to another city then work from there. SEA seems to be the primary focus for returning flights at the moment so there’s still a fair amount of deadheading from other bases. SEA-CVG is operated as a turn. If PDX is doing it then it’s in the middle of a three or four day trip with SEA layovers on either end. To this point there aren’t layovers there. Anyway, everything is a moving target and nothing is written in stone. Flying changes between the bases every month. Hawaii and east coast will remain overnights until the contract changes as they can’t build Hawaii turns based on current contract language.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Wed Jun 23, 2021 6:55 am

at least you haven't had to go from N9 to S6.... my friends didn't make it.
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Sun Jun 27, 2021 2:20 am

usxguy wrote:
at least you haven't had to go from N9 to S6.... my friends didn't make it.


Did they try to run/walk it? Taking three trains, I made it from the N-concourse to the S-concourse in about 10 to 15 minutes.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Sun Jun 27, 2021 2:22 am

ANA787 wrote:
AC4500 wrote:
Wneast wrote:
By April JFK-SAN will increase to two daily

I'm seeing twice daily on JFK-PDX too.

Where do you see 2x daily? Still seeing 1x daily in schedules.

It was on Twitter it might not be loaded in the schedule it goes two daily in April
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Sun Jun 27, 2021 2:24 am

Wneast wrote:
AC4500 wrote:
Wneast wrote:
By April JFK-SAN will increase to two daily

I'm seeing twice daily on JFK-PDX too.

Did they do JFK-LAX at two daily ?


Not surprising considering the competition.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Sun Jun 27, 2021 2:53 am

Yikes tho. Why even by VA if you aren’t gonna run a route like LAXJFK
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Sun Jun 27, 2021 3:03 am

32andBelow wrote:
Yikes tho. Why even by VA if you aren’t gonna run a route like LAXJFK


Yeah… obviously AS is going to run routes that work for them. But this certainly almost eviscerates any few remnants of VX.

Between doing away from the 320s and now essentially axing most every key route VX flew… seems like it was a very expensive way to call the hit man in on a competitor.

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