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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Thu Aug 05, 2021 2:31 am

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Alaska has invited a handful of Gold 75Ks to Seattle to take part in testing 3 different LIE FLAT seats.... who knows what will become of this. They could be kicking tires, or we may really see a sub-fleet with seats like on Copa!



Hey now! Shhh! ;)
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Thu Aug 12, 2021 6:42 pm

A max is on the way to Fairbanks 8-)
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Thu Aug 12, 2021 7:53 pm

32andBelow wrote:
A max is on the way to Fairbanks 8-)


I'm lost...and I'm curious. Does this mean it's the first one to visit FAI, or is there some other significance?
 
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Thu Aug 12, 2021 7:58 pm

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32andBelow wrote:
A max is on the way to Fairbanks 8-)


I'm lost...and I'm curious. Does this mean it's the first one to visit FAI, or is there some other significance?

It’s actually just a test flight. But it was in jest to all my previous comments about how Alaska hasn’t sent any revenue Max’s to Alaska yet. And since it’s a test flight my statements are still true!
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Thu Aug 12, 2021 10:47 pm

usxguy wrote:
Alaska has invited a handful of Gold 75Ks to Seattle to take part in testing 3 different LIE FLAT seats.... who knows what will become of this. They could be kicking tires, or we may really see a sub-fleet with seats like on Copa!


Sounds like the best way to start a lie flat product. Best of luck with it, if they go forward.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Fri Aug 13, 2021 12:09 am

32andBelow wrote:
Western727 wrote:
32andBelow wrote:
A max is on the way to Fairbanks 8-)


I'm lost...and I'm curious. Does this mean it's the first one to visit FAI, or is there some other significance?

It’s actually just a test flight. But it was in jest to all my previous comments about how Alaska hasn’t sent any revenue Max’s to Alaska yet. And since it’s a test flight my statements are still true!

You do realize there are only 5 MAX in the fleet delivered right now, so its still going to be awhile before we start seeing any MAX flown to AK. Once more MAX get delivered, the more places you'll see them.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Sat Aug 14, 2021 3:58 am

iAmAlaska49 wrote:
32andBelow wrote:
Western727 wrote:

I'm lost...and I'm curious. Does this mean it's the first one to visit FAI, or is there some other significance?

It’s actually just a test flight. But it was in jest to all my previous comments about how Alaska hasn’t sent any revenue Max’s to Alaska yet. And since it’s a test flight my statements are still true!

You do realize there are only 5 MAX in the fleet delivered right now, so its still going to be awhile before we start seeing any MAX flown to AK. Once more MAX get delivered, the more places you'll see them.


I recall correctly too that one of the leaders in the MAX program told me they did not want to send the MAX on routes outside of Socal due to the lack of Wifi (to be fixed in September accordingly), although we all know that ended up not being true as they are now popping up in Hawaii
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Sat Aug 14, 2021 3:39 pm

What's the latest in E-175 operations within the state of Alaska?
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Sat Aug 14, 2021 5:11 pm

Looks like Ravn Alaska and AS now have a mileage agreement in place.
https://www.adn.com/business-economy/20 ... -airlines/
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Sat Aug 14, 2021 5:51 pm

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What's the latest in E-175 operations within the state of Alaska?

the same as it was. I assume that AKN and DLG will go back to e175 if they keep flying it year round. Which I’m not sure if since ravn is up and running now
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Sat Aug 14, 2021 9:29 pm

My SO and I both had our first flights since 2019 last week. Her to Boston, me to MSP, both on miles in First. Her schedule changed twice, dropping two seats, upping her to first, then changing the schedule a 2nd time. Had to call their service number listed on the ticket. Customer service took less than a 5 minute wait on the phone with very nice efficient agents on the line, equal or better service than when I used to call the MVP Gold line.

Food on the flights was quite good, with above average service. Flights both way were fully booked, 6 didn't get to board on my flight back. SEA-BOS is now 3X daily, it was only 2X pre covid. Every employee was quite happy that they were quite busy, looking to build up more even more. As AS is my favorite, it is good to see.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Sun Aug 15, 2021 12:25 am

JayinKitsap wrote:
My SO and I both had our first flights since 2019 last week. Her to Boston, me to MSP, both on miles in First. Her schedule changed twice, dropping two seats, upping her to first, then changing the schedule a 2nd time. Had to call their service number listed on the ticket. Customer service took less than a 5 minute wait on the phone with very nice efficient agents on the line, equal or better service than when I used to call the MVP Gold line.

Food on the flights was quite good, with above average service. Flights both way were fully booked, 6 didn't get to board on my flight back. SEA-BOS is now 3X daily, it was only 2X pre covid. Every employee was quite happy that they were quite busy, looking to build up more even more. As AS is my favorite, it is good to see.


Today, I flew on a little jaunt from SEA to BOI. The 737-800 was moderately full and the Q400 on the return was about 3/4 full. They actually offered two beverage services on the BOI-SEA run.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Sun Aug 15, 2021 12:32 am

I know that the Delta variant probably stunted the progress of getting back to normal, but I'm hoping AS opens a few more cities for 2022.
 
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Sun Aug 15, 2021 12:33 am

wedgetail737 wrote:
I know that the Delta variant probably stunted the progress of getting back to normal, but I'm hoping AS opens a few more cities for 2022.

What cities you thinking of ?
 
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Sun Aug 15, 2021 12:43 am

Wneast wrote:
wedgetail737 wrote:
I know that the Delta variant probably stunted the progress of getting back to normal, but I'm hoping AS opens a few more cities for 2022.

What cities you thinking of ?


I'm thinking the smaller cities for E-175's like TUL, DSM/CID and COS.
For 737's, maybe CLE, BDL, JAX and a return to MIA.
West of Rockies? Maybe PDX-MRY, RNO-SAN, go after XP and re-instate STS-LAS.
Ski Destinations: MMH/BIH if it snows in CA again someday or additional CO winter destinations.

Lots of wishful thinking!
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Sun Aug 15, 2021 1:01 am

32andBelow wrote:
NameOmitted wrote:
What's the latest in E-175 operations within the state of Alaska?

the same as it was. I assume that AKN and DLG will go back to e175 if they keep flying it year round. Which I’m not sure if since ravn is up and running now


Today is the last CDB flight. They’ve actually increased AKN/DLG this winter. Each city gets its own flight, instead of the triangle.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Sun Aug 15, 2021 1:15 am

Chugach wrote:
32andBelow wrote:
NameOmitted wrote:
What's the latest in E-175 operations within the state of Alaska?

the same as it was. I assume that AKN and DLG will go back to e175 if they keep flying it year round. Which I’m not sure if since ravn is up and running now


Today is the last CDB flight. They’ve actually increased AKN/DLG this winter. Each city gets its own flight, instead of the triangle.


Is CDB dropped completely?
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Sun Aug 15, 2021 1:19 am

wedgetail737 wrote:
Chugach wrote:
32andBelow wrote:
the same as it was. I assume that AKN and DLG will go back to e175 if they keep flying it year round. Which I’m not sure if since ravn is up and running now


Today is the last CDB flight. They’ve actually increased AKN/DLG this winter. Each city gets its own flight, instead of the triangle.


Is CDB dropped completely?


It is.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Sun Aug 15, 2021 1:52 am

wedgetail737 wrote:
Wneast wrote:
wedgetail737 wrote:
I know that the Delta variant probably stunted the progress of getting back to normal, but I'm hoping AS opens a few more cities for 2022.

What cities you thinking of ?


I'm thinking the smaller cities for E-175's like TUL, DSM/CID and COS.
For 737's, maybe CLE, BDL, JAX and a return to MIA.
West of Rockies? Maybe PDX-MRY, RNO-SAN, go after XP and re-instate STS-LAS.
Ski Destinations: MMH/BIH if it snows in CA again someday or additional CO winter destinations.

Lots of wishful thinking!

Sure would be nice to AS come back to COS, especially now with the AA agreements in place and AA’s lack of desire to fly PHX-COS. Give us a nice option to go west.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Sun Aug 15, 2021 2:22 am

Alaska E175's unto GST end on the 16th. An agent told me it's due to the airport closing for the season. However the season ends in September for the Glacier bay cruises & the airports site states they are open year round. To bad as it will be hard getting to the cruise with only Alaska seaplanes several small planes daily & Alaska Marine Highyway once a week trip.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Sun Aug 15, 2021 3:06 am

rbavfan wrote:
Alaska E175's unto GST end on the 16th. An agent told me it's due to the airport closing for the season. However the season ends in September for the Glacier bay cruises & the airports site states they are open year round. To bad as it will be hard getting to the cruise with only Alaska seaplanes several small planes daily & Alaska Marine Highyway once a week trip.


GST has always been seasonal and ended in late August / early September so this isn't really that unusual. It's ending a couple weeks earlier than usual. Additionally, Alaska flies mainline 737's to GST.
 
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Sun Aug 15, 2021 4:10 am

rbavfan wrote:
Alaska E175's unto GST end on the 16th. An agent told me it's due to the airport closing for the season. However the season ends in September for the Glacier bay cruises & the airports site states they are open year round. To bad as it will be hard getting to the cruise with only Alaska seaplanes several small planes daily & Alaska Marine Highyway once a week trip.

There’s no e175s in southeast Alaska
 
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Sun Aug 15, 2021 5:24 am

ASFlyer wrote:
rbavfan wrote:
Alaska E175's unto GST end on the 16th. An agent told me it's due to the airport closing for the season. However the season ends in September for the Glacier bay cruises & the airports site states they are open year round. To bad as it will be hard getting to the cruise with only Alaska seaplanes several small planes daily & Alaska Marine Highyway once a week trip.


GST has always been seasonal and ended in late August / early September so this isn't really that unusual. It's ending a couple weeks earlier than usual. Additionally, Alaska flies mainline 737's to GST.


AS has been serving GST seasonally for decades. They flew 727-100's and 727-200's on the JNU-GST route.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Sun Aug 15, 2021 6:39 am

wedgetail737 wrote:
Wneast wrote:
wedgetail737 wrote:
I know that the Delta variant probably stunted the progress of getting back to normal, but I'm hoping AS opens a few more cities for 2022.

What cities you thinking of ?


I'm thinking the smaller cities for E-175's like TUL, DSM/CID and COS.
For 737's, maybe CLE, BDL, JAX and a return to MIA.
West of Rockies? Maybe PDX-MRY, RNO-SAN, go after XP and re-instate STS-LAS.
Ski Destinations: MMH/BIH if it snows in CA again someday or additional CO winter destinations.

Lots of wishful thinking!

Anything you see being added from SFO? Personally I'm hoping for KOA/LIH as well as SJO/LIR/BZE/GDL. I'd also be thrilled to see some more transcons on AS from SFO but that doesn't seem to be their forte at all unless it's leisure. What are the chances we get more transcons and where to?
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Sun Aug 15, 2021 12:49 pm

wedgetail737 wrote:
Wneast wrote:
wedgetail737 wrote:
I know that the Delta variant probably stunted the progress of getting back to normal, but I'm hoping AS opens a few more cities for 2022.

What cities you thinking of ?


I'm thinking the smaller cities for E-175's like TUL, DSM/CID and COS.
For 737's, maybe CLE, BDL, JAX and a return to MIA.
West of Rockies? Maybe PDX-MRY, RNO-SAN, go after XP and re-instate STS-LAS.
Ski Destinations: MMH/BIH if it snows in CA again someday or additional CO winter destinations.

Lots of wishful thinking!

Given that they added SEA-RDD recently, perhaps they will think about SEA-BFL/ACV? Both see service from AA, and service to SEA will complement them well geographically.

Also, hope they would add SFO-EUG/MFR.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Sun Aug 15, 2021 3:37 pm

wedgetail737 wrote:
ASFlyer wrote:
rbavfan wrote:
Alaska E175's unto GST end on the 16th. An agent told me it's due to the airport closing for the season. However the season ends in September for the Glacier bay cruises & the airports site states they are open year round. To bad as it will be hard getting to the cruise with only Alaska seaplanes several small planes daily & Alaska Marine Highyway once a week trip.


GST has always been seasonal and ended in late August / early September so this isn't really that unusual. It's ending a couple weeks earlier than usual. Additionally, Alaska flies mainline 737's to GST.


AS has been serving GST seasonally for decades. They flew 727-100's and 727-200's on the JNU-GST route.


GST is also an EAS city. One of five in Southeast if you include Cordova and Yakutat. All of the EAS cities in Alaska are bid using the 737-700 for 124 seats.

https://www.transportation.gov/office-p ... ul2021_PDF
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Sun Aug 15, 2021 7:36 pm

wedgetail737 wrote:
Wneast wrote:
wedgetail737 wrote:
I know that the Delta variant probably stunted the progress of getting back to normal, but I'm hoping AS opens a few more cities for 2022.

What cities you thinking of ?


I'm thinking the smaller cities for E-175's like TUL, DSM/CID and COS.
For 737's, maybe CLE, BDL, JAX and a return to MIA.
West of Rockies? Maybe PDX-MRY, RNO-SAN, go after XP and re-instate STS-LAS.
Ski Destinations: MMH/BIH if it snows in CA again someday or additional CO winter destinations.

Lots of wishful thinking!


None of those seem out of the realm of possibility. Except maybe JAX. Even LAX-JAX has been on and off and not operated consistently. I think DL has tried it a few times.

There used to be - and maybe still is - and outstanding Thai restaurant right in the BIH terminal. What a treat that would be for passengers. I ate there a few times in 2014 while backpacking in the Sierras and visiting the nearby narrow gauge railroad museum. I personally enjoyed Bishop.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Sun Aug 15, 2021 7:50 pm

OKCDCA wrote:
wedgetail737 wrote:
Wneast wrote:
What cities you thinking of ?


I'm thinking the smaller cities for E-175's like TUL, DSM/CID and COS.
For 737's, maybe CLE, BDL, JAX and a return to MIA.
West of Rockies? Maybe PDX-MRY, RNO-SAN, go after XP and re-instate STS-LAS.
Ski Destinations: MMH/BIH if it snows in CA again someday or additional CO winter destinations.

Lots of wishful thinking!

Sure would be nice to AS come back to COS, especially now with the AA agreements in place and AA’s lack of desire to fly PHX-COS. Give us a nice option to go west.


I used to work the Alaska Side as a CS Agent when I was employed by SkyWest in COS. It was so fun to work Alaska Side. I was sad to hear Alaska had pulled out of COS, and this was before COVID!

Would hope to see them return again, maybe offering SEA, PDX and SAN or even an SFO this time.

The competition has changed for the better in COS!

Alex
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Mon Aug 16, 2021 12:21 pm

AS has exercised options for 12 more MAX 9s and has added options for 25 more. AS appears very happy with the MAX, wonder if we will see a jump to the -10 down the road.https://twitter.com/wandrme/status/1427 ... 58660?s=21
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Mon Aug 16, 2021 2:05 pm

ikolkyo wrote:
AS has exercised options for 12 more MAX 9s and has added options for 25 more. AS appears very happy with the MAX, wonder if we will see a jump to the -10 down the road.https://twitter.com/wandrme/status/1427 ... 58660?s=21


On August 16, 2021, Alaska Airlines Inc., (Alaska) announced it will exercise 12 Boeing 737-9 MAX options with deliveries in 2023 and 2024.
Additionally, Alaska announced an additional 25 options available for exercise, with deliveries in 2025 and 2026.

https://investor.alaskaair.com/news-rel ... additional
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Mon Aug 16, 2021 2:07 pm

ikolkyo wrote:
AS has exercised options for 12 more MAX 9s and has added options for 25 more. AS appears very happy with the MAX, wonder if we will see a jump to the -10 down the road.https://twitter.com/wandrme/status/1427 ... 58660?s=21

AS seems to have settled on the -9 having converted all -8, would a -10 give AS any additional benefits over the-9 other than more seats. If it doesn't the I won't expect to see a -10 in AS colors
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Mon Aug 16, 2021 2:10 pm

gmcc wrote:
ikolkyo wrote:
AS has exercised options for 12 more MAX 9s and has added options for 25 more. AS appears very happy with the MAX, wonder if we will see a jump to the -10 down the road.https://twitter.com/wandrme/status/1427 ... 58660?s=21

AS seems to have settled on the -9 having converted all -8, would a -10 give AS any additional benefits over the-9 other than more seats. If it doesn't the I won't expect to see a -10 in AS colors

More seats on their trunk rites like seaanc and sealax is always a good thing
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Mon Aug 16, 2021 2:43 pm

gmcc wrote:
ikolkyo wrote:
AS has exercised options for 12 more MAX 9s and has added options for 25 more. AS appears very happy with the MAX, wonder if we will see a jump to the -10 down the road.https://twitter.com/wandrme/status/1427 ... 58660?s=21

AS seems to have settled on the -9 having converted all -8, would a -10 give AS any additional benefits over the-9 other than more seats. If it doesn't the I won't expect to see a -10 in AS colors


Lower CASM than a MAX 9 without giving up too much in range. Boeing claims 5% better than a 321neo.

The 25 new options leave them with, what, 52 remaining after this exercise for twelve? Twenty-thirty MAX 10s sounds plausible to me - big enough to justify the sub-type.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Mon Aug 16, 2021 3:01 pm

ikolkyo wrote:
AS has exercised options for 12 more MAX 9s and has added options for 25 more. AS appears very happy with the MAX, wonder if we will see a jump to the -10 down the road.https://twitter.com/wandrme/status/1427 ... 58660?s=21


how many MAXs are they at now? 90?
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Mon Aug 16, 2021 3:03 pm

Now up to 93 firm orders. How many additional aircraft are expected through leasing?
 
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Mon Aug 16, 2021 3:11 pm

93 lets them grow right? or will they replace 737NGs?
 
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Mon Aug 16, 2021 3:36 pm

They'll need the MAX 10 for when they start adding these lie flat seats in FC! ;) I'm surprised there hasn't been more hoopla about that 'rumor' of Gold 75's being invited to give them a spin!
 
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Mon Aug 16, 2021 3:39 pm

I think Fargo on an e175 would be a solid addition to AS’s network.
 
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Mon Aug 16, 2021 4:08 pm

ytib wrote:
ikolkyo wrote:
AS has exercised options for 12 more MAX 9s and has added options for 25 more. AS appears very happy with the MAX, wonder if we will see a jump to the -10 down the road.https://twitter.com/wandrme/status/1427 ... 58660?s=21


On August 16, 2021, Alaska Airlines Inc., (Alaska) announced it will exercise 12 Boeing 737-9 MAX options with deliveries in 2023 and 2024.
Additionally, Alaska announced an additional 25 options available for exercise, with deliveries in 2025 and 2026.

https://investor.alaskaair.com/news-rel ... additional


Amazing 93 will be delivered by 2024.

There's enough in there to replace the A319/A320 capacity, and growth. Indeed, the press release states: "We are excited to accelerate Alaska's growth...."
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Mon Aug 16, 2021 4:32 pm

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They'll need the MAX 10 for when they start adding these lie flat seats in FC! ;) I'm surprised there hasn't been more hoopla about that 'rumor' of Gold 75's being invited to give them a spin!


I’m very cautiously optimistic about it. I don’t think AS would be well off to install run of the mill BE Diamonds and call it good. To bust into the premium market they’ll need something disruptive. Mint was disruptive in 2014. AS will have to pull something similar to have a fighting chance in the bloodbath that is the lie flat market. By choosing Vantage Solo, B6 left the door ajar for another airline to come in with a superior product that is already on the market. Stelia’s new Opera seat could be the disruptive seat AS would need to be successful.

I do hope some of these options wind up as Max 10s. I do a lot of flying between Seattle and Phoenix and those flights are so full that I can usually get a better F fare from DL than Y+ with AS. Such a large chunk of the AS fleet is now made up of 178 seaters that I have a tough time believing that they’d struggle to fill a 188-190 seater on their busiest routes.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Mon Aug 16, 2021 4:44 pm

hiflyeras wrote:
They'll need the MAX 10 for when they start adding these lie flat seats in FC! ;) I'm surprised there hasn't been more hoopla about that 'rumor' of Gold 75's being invited to give them a spin!

No point in hoopla when all it really was was AS showing investors that they are looking at it. I suspect that on the next conference call there will be a canned statement that we looked at lie flats and given that they really don't work for most of our network we decided to stay the current course. Given that the lie flat routes already have too many competitors why loose money flying lie flats from SEA-LAX when what they have already works on that route.
 
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Mon Aug 16, 2021 4:54 pm

gmcc wrote:
hiflyeras wrote:
They'll need the MAX 10 for when they start adding these lie flat seats in FC! ;) I'm surprised there hasn't been more hoopla about that 'rumor' of Gold 75's being invited to give them a spin!

No point in hoopla when all it really was was AS showing investors that they are looking at it. I suspect that on the next conference call there will be a canned statement that we looked at lie flats and given that they really don't work for most of our network we decided to stay the current course. Given that the lie flat routes already have too many competitors why loose money flying lie flats from SEA-LAX when what they have already works on that route.


Who is flying lie-flats on SEA-LAX?
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Mon Aug 16, 2021 5:13 pm

jbs2886 wrote:
gmcc wrote:
hiflyeras wrote:
They'll need the MAX 10 for when they start adding these lie flat seats in FC! ;) I'm surprised there hasn't been more hoopla about that 'rumor' of Gold 75's being invited to give them a spin!

No point in hoopla when all it really was was AS showing investors that they are looking at it. I suspect that on the next conference call there will be a canned statement that we looked at lie flats and given that they really don't work for most of our network we decided to stay the current course. Given that the lie flat routes already have too many competitors why loose money flying lie flats from SEA-LAX when what they have already works on that route.


Who is flying lie-flats on SEA-LAX?


Noone is and the point is AS has made very pointed statements in the past about not running small sub fleets of aircraft so a lie flat plane at AS would need to work for their entire route structure. :stirthepot: Now take over HA with their incoming 787s and you might see lie flats in AS's fleet. :stirthepot:
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Mon Aug 16, 2021 5:30 pm

gmcc wrote:
jbs2886 wrote:
gmcc wrote:
No point in hoopla when all it really was was AS showing investors that they are looking at it. I suspect that on the next conference call there will be a canned statement that we looked at lie flats and given that they really don't work for most of our network we decided to stay the current course. Given that the lie flat routes already have too many competitors why loose money flying lie flats from SEA-LAX when what they have already works on that route.


Who is flying lie-flats on SEA-LAX?


Noone is and the point is AS has made very pointed statements in the past about not running small sub fleets of aircraft so a lie flat plane at AS would need to work for their entire route structure. :stirthepot: Now take over HA with their incoming 787s and you might see lie flats in AS's fleet. :stirthepot:


Yet AS may adjust their plan and find that a sub-fleet works.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Mon Aug 16, 2021 5:44 pm

QXAS wrote:
By choosing Vantage Solo, B6 left the door ajar for another airline to come in with a superior product that is already on the market. Stelia’s new Opera seat could be the disruptive seat AS would need to be successful.


Keep in mind that they picked Vantage solo because they are the most space efficient lie flat seat with all-aisle access on the market. They managed to fit 16J + 144Y in an A321 while AA could only fit 10 all aisle access lie flat seat + 20 2x2 lie flat seat and 72 Y seat on their A321. Have fun trying to fit 16 lie flat reverse herringbone seats on a MAX10. There is not a lot of space left for Y cabin.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Mon Aug 16, 2021 5:58 pm

QXAS wrote:
hiflyeras wrote:
They'll need the MAX 10 for when they start adding these lie flat seats in FC! ;) I'm surprised there hasn't been more hoopla about that 'rumor' of Gold 75's being invited to give them a spin!


I’m very cautiously optimistic about it. I don’t think AS would be well off to install run of the mill BE Diamonds and call it good. To bust into the premium market they’ll need something disruptive. Mint was disruptive in 2014. AS will have to pull something similar to have a fighting chance in the bloodbath that is the lie flat market. By choosing Vantage Solo, B6 left the door ajar for another airline to come in with a superior product that is already on the market. Stelia’s new Opera seat could be the disruptive seat AS would need to be successful.

I do hope some of these options wind up as Max 10s. I do a lot of flying between Seattle and Phoenix and those flights are so full that I can usually get a better F fare from DL than Y+ with AS. Such a large chunk of the AS fleet is now made up of 178 seaters that I have a tough time believing that they’d struggle to fill a 188-190 seater on their busiest routes.

I don't think they need to be disruptive at all, they just need to match the existing competition. The question is how committed are they to "premium" transcon routes?

I would love a lie flat on ORD-ANC, or even the redeye FAI-SEA, but I don't think they are planning on that.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Mon Aug 16, 2021 6:01 pm

I think the Copa Max9 shows that this is possible...16F, 24Y+, 126Y. FC seats are slightly staggered to allow egress to the window seat. Alaska currently has 16/24/138 so there's a pretty big cost involved in going this route. Maybe go to a 30" pitch throughout the main coach cabin (other than the exit rows) and squeeze in one more Y row than Copa?

https://www.copaair.com/en/web/ca/boeing-737-max-9
https://thepointsguy.com/news/copa-737- ... -flat-biz/
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Mon Aug 16, 2021 6:02 pm

hiflyeras wrote:
I think the Copa Max9 shows that this is possible...16F, 24Y+, 126Y. FC seats are slightly staggered to allow egress to the window seat. Alaska currently has 16/24/138 so there's a pretty big cost involved in going this route. Maybe go to a 30" pitch throughout the main coach cabin (other than the exit rows) and squeeze in one more Y row than Copa?

https://www.copaair.com/en/web/ca/boeing-737-max-9
https://thepointsguy.com/news/copa-737- ... -flat-biz/

That’s a super small Y class for AS tho. Are they going to sell that many premium seats?
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Mon Aug 16, 2021 6:07 pm

gmcc wrote:
jbs2886 wrote:
gmcc wrote:
No point in hoopla when all it really was was AS showing investors that they are looking at it. I suspect that on the next conference call there will be a canned statement that we looked at lie flats and given that they really don't work for most of our network we decided to stay the current course. Given that the lie flat routes already have too many competitors why loose money flying lie flats from SEA-LAX when what they have already works on that route.


Who is flying lie-flats on SEA-LAX?


Noone is and the point is AS has made very pointed statements in the past about not running small sub fleets of aircraft so a lie flat plane at AS would need to work for their entire route structure.


That is not a sensible goal. Lie-flats are not going to replace domestic F across the entire network - not for any major U.S. carrier. The yield per square foot per mile just isn't there on the great majority of airport pairs. See how limited are the routes and frequencies of B6 Mint compared to other 321s in the fleet.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Mon Aug 16, 2021 6:33 pm

Will the Max 9's ever make it to the East coast instead of SEA-SAN or SEA LAS???

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