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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Sun Sep 12, 2021 9:29 pm

wedgetail737 wrote:
dc10lover wrote:
"I wonder where AS will expand sevice"

AS still wants a larger piece of the pie within the State of California. It wouldn't of happened but instead of Southwest Airlines having a hub in Denver, I really wish it was Alaska Airlines instead.


I don't think you'll see AS opening another hub outside of the west coast (but that's just my opinion). I can see AS add more point-to-point flying up and down the west coast.

I would like to see AS open new cities like ACV, SCK and BFL. Maybe we'll see additional service out of GEG, BOI and PDX. I guess I'm a little biased to the PNW.

Lastly, it wouldn't surprise me if AS adds another east/west city like CLE, CLT or GSO.

The thing is, AS might not be able to increase CA market share without offering convenient connections... you can't just route everyone thru SEA and expect consumers to pay for the extra 4+ hours it'll take instead of connecting over SFO or LAX. This is exactly where SFO and LAX should come into play for AS. AS needs to add service to those smaller CA destinations - but they need to be flying intra-CA routes to hubs like SFO/LAX in order to take share away from other players, namely UA.

They don't seem to be doing that – so far they have only been adding markets like SBP, RDD, MRY, SBA, etc from Seattle – not the Bay Area nor Los Angeles – making connections inconvenient at best (unless you're Alaska-bound), and impossible at worst. I don't know much about AS at LAX, but how do they plan on filling those new CUN/ZIH/MZT/LTO etc flights from SFO on top of existing markets that have increased competition, without having the regional connectivity that major players like UA have? They'll never be able to achieve WN-type dominance simply because WN dominates those once-neglected airports now... the best thing to do is use more E-jets for the actual regional flights, and then put mainline on the flights that really should deserve it (why fly an E175 from SFO to SLC??), which will allow upgauging across the board and increased connectivity, driving pax numbers. It will be very hard to achieve more growth if they rely only on O&D.... P2P north-south PNW-focused routes will only end up generating so much.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Sun Sep 12, 2021 9:29 pm

jplatts wrote:
jbs2886 wrote:
BoeingGuy wrote:

2023 itself shows an increase of 8 mainline aircraft. There is a net increase of 49 mainline aircraft from June 30, 2021 though the end of 2023. That’s a lot. Like others, I wonder where AS will expand sevice.


Yea, 2022 will be a massive increase. Will be interesting if AS exercises more options for 2023 or tries to digest the 2022 growth for the next year.


I had previously mentioned the possibility of AS adding SEA-CLE/BDL/JAX/ORF nonstop service with CLE, BDL, JAX, and ORF being four of the top remaining domestic destinations traveled to from SEA that don't currently have any nonstop service from SEA.

While AS does not need to serve CLT on its own metal due to (a) the AA-AS partnership, (b) AA already operating CLT-LAX/PDX/SAN/SFO/SEA nonstop service, and (c) AA already offering connections onto AS flights out of SEA from its CLT-SEA nonstop flights, AS adding SEA-CLT nonstop service on its own metal might be a possibility with CLT being one of the top destinations that isn't served by AS along with AS having some FF's in Greater Seattle (and other markets in the Pacific Northwest) who prefer to fly on AS-operated flights.

If AS does add SEA-CLT nonstop service, AS would be able to connect passengers onto AA flights out of CLT to destinations on the East Coast, Bermuda, and the Caribbean.

There are also some business ties between Greater Seattle and Greater Charlotte to support CLT-SEA nonstop service on AS such as the significant Bank of America presence in Greater Seattle along with Boeing supplier Collins Aerospace having its headquarters in Charlotte.


What, probably about 5 Boeing people a year fly to CLT to visit Collin’s headquarters? If that. Occasionally Boeing people fly to CID to visit Collins, but again maybe a handful a month.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Sun Sep 12, 2021 9:52 pm

BoeingGuy wrote:
jplatts wrote:
jbs2886 wrote:

Yea, 2022 will be a massive increase. Will be interesting if AS exercises more options for 2023 or tries to digest the 2022 growth for the next year.


I had previously mentioned the possibility of AS adding SEA-CLE/BDL/JAX/ORF nonstop service with CLE, BDL, JAX, and ORF being four of the top remaining domestic destinations traveled to from SEA that don't currently have any nonstop service from SEA.

While AS does not need to serve CLT on its own metal due to (a) the AA-AS partnership, (b) AA already operating CLT-LAX/PDX/SAN/SFO/SEA nonstop service, and (c) AA already offering connections onto AS flights out of SEA from its CLT-SEA nonstop flights, AS adding SEA-CLT nonstop service on its own metal might be a possibility with CLT being one of the top destinations that isn't served by AS along with AS having some FF's in Greater Seattle (and other markets in the Pacific Northwest) who prefer to fly on AS-operated flights.

If AS does add SEA-CLT nonstop service, AS would be able to connect passengers onto AA flights out of CLT to destinations on the East Coast, Bermuda, and the Caribbean.

There are also some business ties between Greater Seattle and Greater Charlotte to support CLT-SEA nonstop service on AS such as the significant Bank of America presence in Greater Seattle along with Boeing supplier Collins Aerospace having its headquarters in Charlotte.


What, probably about 5 Boeing people a year fly to CLT to visit Collin’s headquarters? If that. Occasionally Boeing people fly to CID to visit Collins, but again maybe a handful a month.


To me, oddly, it seems CLE is the obvious add. It’s a pretty big outlier in having many PDEWs… more than SEA-MKE, PIT, CMH, and TUS for example (2019 Q3 data)

CLT also seems obvious based on AA. Yes, it does seem redundant, but given the partnership and codeshares, also seems somewhat beneficial. Maybe AA takes away a daily flight and AS takes its place.

Beyond those - I don’t see any adds for at least 2-3 years until AS builds some fleet slack. It seems Southbound flying (I.e. BZE) has been a bigger priority of late
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Sun Sep 12, 2021 10:00 pm

wedgetail737 wrote:
dc10lover wrote:
"I wonder where AS will expand sevice"

AS still wants a larger piece of the pie within the State of California. It wouldn't of happened but instead of Southwest Airlines having a hub in Denver, I really wish it was Alaska Airlines instead.


I don't think you'll see AS opening another hub outside of the west coast (but that's just my opinion). I can see AS add more point-to-point flying up and down the west coast.

I would like to see AS open new cities like ACV, SCK and BFL. Maybe we'll see additional service out of GEG, BOI and PDX. I guess I'm a little biased to the PNW.

Lastly, it wouldn't surprise me if AS adds another east/west city like CLE, CLT or GSO.

I’m with you on seeing more service out of GEG,BOI and PDX
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Sun Sep 12, 2021 10:05 pm

joeblow10 wrote:
BoeingGuy wrote:
jplatts wrote:

I had previously mentioned the possibility of AS adding SEA-CLE/BDL/JAX/ORF nonstop service with CLE, BDL, JAX, and ORF being four of the top remaining domestic destinations traveled to from SEA that don't currently have any nonstop service from SEA.

While AS does not need to serve CLT on its own metal due to (a) the AA-AS partnership, (b) AA already operating CLT-LAX/PDX/SAN/SFO/SEA nonstop service, and (c) AA already offering connections onto AS flights out of SEA from its CLT-SEA nonstop flights, AS adding SEA-CLT nonstop service on its own metal might be a possibility with CLT being one of the top destinations that isn't served by AS along with AS having some FF's in Greater Seattle (and other markets in the Pacific Northwest) who prefer to fly on AS-operated flights.

If AS does add SEA-CLT nonstop service, AS would be able to connect passengers onto AA flights out of CLT to destinations on the East Coast, Bermuda, and the Caribbean.

There are also some business ties between Greater Seattle and Greater Charlotte to support CLT-SEA nonstop service on AS such as the significant Bank of America presence in Greater Seattle along with Boeing supplier Collins Aerospace having its headquarters in Charlotte.


What, probably about 5 Boeing people a year fly to CLT to visit Collin’s headquarters? If that. Occasionally Boeing people fly to CID to visit Collins, but again maybe a handful a month.


To me, oddly, it seems CLE is the obvious add. It’s a pretty big outlier in having many PDEWs… more than SEA-MKE, PIT, CMH, and TUS for example (2019 Q3 data)

CLT also seems obvious based on AA. Yes, it does seem redundant, but given the partnership and codeshares, also seems somewhat beneficial. Maybe AA takes away a daily flight and AS takes its place.

Beyond those - I don’t see any adds for at least 2-3 years until AS builds some fleet slack. It seems Southbound flying (I.e. BZE) has been a bigger priority of late


BDL and JAX can’t even reliably support LAX service, let alone SEA. Each has come and gone several times from LAX, so not sure why people think that AS should jump in those markets from SEA. I think WN does SAN-ORF presumably due to the Navy connections. Again, hard to see how SEA-ORF is going to work.

Different topic: AS needs to put a 73G on the JAC-SEA route instead of the E175. I was on that flight yesterday. We had to stop in BOI to refuel due to performance issues on departure from JAC - it’s a 6300 ft runway at 7000 feet elevation. Either that or off-load some people. The very friendly AS station manager said that’s a common occurrence (she checked us in too and is a hoot - an asset to AS’s customer service IMHO). With terrain on both sides of the valley I’m guessing the engine fail SID is interesting.

AA can send pmAA A319s from JAC to CLT and BOS, but AS can’t reliably get to SEA with a full load? Something is wrong with that picture.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Sun Sep 12, 2021 10:16 pm

BoeingGuy wrote:
joeblow10 wrote:
BoeingGuy wrote:

What, probably about 5 Boeing people a year fly to CLT to visit Collin’s headquarters? If that. Occasionally Boeing people fly to CID to visit Collins, but again maybe a handful a month.


To me, oddly, it seems CLE is the obvious add. It’s a pretty big outlier in having many PDEWs… more than SEA-MKE, PIT, CMH, and TUS for example (2019 Q3 data)

CLT also seems obvious based on AA. Yes, it does seem redundant, but given the partnership and codeshares, also seems somewhat beneficial. Maybe AA takes away a daily flight and AS takes its place.

Beyond those - I don’t see any adds for at least 2-3 years until AS builds some fleet slack. It seems Southbound flying (I.e. BZE) has been a bigger priority of late


BDL and JAX can’t even reliably support LAX service, let alone SEA. Each has come and gone several times from LAX, so not sure why people think that AS should jump in those markets from SEA. I think WN does SAN-ORF presumably due to the Navy connections. Again, hard to see how SEA-ORF is going to work.


I’m not saying I agree AS will add those routes, but SEA is an entirely different animal than LAX. Specifically LAX isn’t a strong connecting hub for any carrier - in sharp contrast to what AS can do through SEA. What SEA lacks in O&D it can more than make up in connections.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Sun Sep 12, 2021 10:25 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
gmcc wrote:
Another use for the 321 fleet is getting a full load out of tough transcon airports. Management has stated on earnings calls that 321 can do stuff out of DCA that others planes in their fleet can't so that may be their fate, DCA-West coast.


Come on.. how many tough transcon airports are there? They don't fly east of ORD from SNA, and not even 1000 sm from BUR. They don't fly from LGA at all. You don't keep a separate type for DCA-SEA/PDX/SFO/LAX... not at the (restricted) frequencies AS flies them. It's pathological to keep a narrowbody type of 10 aircraft. AS knows this. They didn't even want a fleet of 73 in the A320 family!


I wonder how much AS can cozy up to AA on maintenance for the A321s… perhaps that’d change the calculation?
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Sun Sep 12, 2021 10:51 pm

BoeingGuy wrote:
joeblow10 wrote:
BoeingGuy wrote:

What, probably about 5 Boeing people a year fly to CLT to visit Collin’s headquarters? If that. Occasionally Boeing people fly to CID to visit Collins, but again maybe a handful a month.


To me, oddly, it seems CLE is the obvious add. It’s a pretty big outlier in having many PDEWs… more than SEA-MKE, PIT, CMH, and TUS for example (2019 Q3 data)

CLT also seems obvious based on AA. Yes, it does seem redundant, but given the partnership and codeshares, also seems somewhat beneficial. Maybe AA takes away a daily flight and AS takes its place.

Beyond those - I don’t see any adds for at least 2-3 years until AS builds some fleet slack. It seems Southbound flying (I.e. BZE) has been a bigger priority of late


BDL and JAX can’t even reliably support LAX service, let alone SEA. Each has come and gone several times from LAX, so not sure why people think that AS should jump in those markets from SEA. I think WN does SAN-ORF presumably due to the Navy connections. Again, hard to see how SEA-ORF is going to work.

Different topic: AS needs to put a 73G on the JAC-SEA route instead of the E175. I was on that flight yesterday. We had to stop in BOI to refuel due to performance issues on departure from JAC - it’s a 6300 ft runway at 7000 feet elevation. Either that or off-load some people. The very friendly AS station manager said that’s a common occurrence (she checked us in too and is a hoot - an asset to AS’s customer service IMHO). With terrain on both sides of the valley I’m guessing the engine fail SID is interesting.

AA can send pmAA A319s from JAC to CLT and BOS, but AS can’t reliably get to SEA with a full load? Something is wrong with that picture.


That’s… interesting. OO flies 175s into JAC quite a bit, granted - DEN and SLC aren’t quite as far as SEA, but LAX and SFO sure are
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Sun Sep 12, 2021 10:56 pm

AS has added the MAX9 to a new route in Dec: SAN-HNL. They've never been able to fly the 739 from SAN to Hawaii (even though they sometimes fly it w/b INTO SAN) due to runway and terrain conditions. Now they can get the increased capacity of the MAX (I assume) departing w/b to the Islands. (I'm hoping they don't loose any pax or other payload for those long-haul departures heading west.)

AS was flirting with 2x daily flights between SAN and HNL (for the first time) earlier this year so there apparently is plenty of traffic, but they did not do so perhaps due to begged-for limits by the State on pax being flown to HI? But now they can hopefully maximize the number of pax carried by a single flight. Of course AS has the additional competition from WN in the SAN-HI markets now.

Unfortunately it must be noted that AS has dropped both SAN & SJC to LIH for the 1st half of Dec. The route resumes on the 16th of Dec to both cities. Covid-related issues I assume...

BTW, it appears that AS mostly re-worked the Dec 16-Jan 3 (Holiday) skeds last night (Saturday) although I'm still searching to see what else might have been changed... So far lots of slight freq trims and some minor changes.

bb
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Sun Sep 12, 2021 11:15 pm

SANFan wrote:
AS has added the MAX9 to a new route in Dec: SAN-HNL. They've never been able to fly the 739 from SAN to Hawaii (even though they sometimes fly it w/b INTO SAN) due to runway and terrain conditions. Now they can get the increased capacity of the MAX (I assume) departing w/b to the Islands. (I'm hoping they don't loose any pax or other payload for those long-haul departures heading west.)

AS was flirting with 2x daily flights between SAN and HNL (for the first time) earlier this year so there apparently is plenty of traffic, but they did not do so perhaps due to begged-for limits by the State on pax being flown to HI? But now they can hopefully maximize the number of pax carried by a single flight. Of course AS has the additional competition from WN in the SAN-HI markets now.

Unfortunately it must be noted that AS has dropped both SAN & SJC to LIH for the 1st half of Dec. The route resumes on the 16th of Dec to both cities. Covid-related issues I assume...

BTW, it appears that AS mostly re-worked the Dec 16-Jan 3 (Holiday) skeds last night (Saturday) although I'm still searching to see what else might have been changed... So far lots of slight freq trims and some minor changes.

bb


I don't if they updated their schedule, but it seems like PAE-SAN is a casualty.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Sun Sep 12, 2021 11:41 pm

BoeingGuy wrote:
joeblow10 wrote:
BoeingGuy wrote:

What, probably about 5 Boeing people a year fly to CLT to visit Collin’s headquarters? If that. Occasionally Boeing people fly to CID to visit Collins, but again maybe a handful a month.


To me, oddly, it seems CLE is the obvious add. It’s a pretty big outlier in having many PDEWs… more than SEA-MKE, PIT, CMH, and TUS for example (2019 Q3 data)

CLT also seems obvious based on AA. Yes, it does seem redundant, but given the partnership and codeshares, also seems somewhat beneficial. Maybe AA takes away a daily flight and AS takes its place.

Beyond those - I don’t see any adds for at least 2-3 years until AS builds some fleet slack. It seems Southbound flying (I.e. BZE) has been a bigger priority of late


BDL and JAX can’t even reliably support LAX service, let alone SEA. Each has come and gone several times from LAX, so not sure why people think that AS should jump in those markets from SEA. I think WN does SAN-ORF presumably due to the Navy connections. Again, hard to see how SEA-ORF is going to work.

Different topic: AS needs to put a 73G on the JAC-SEA route instead of the E175. I was on that flight yesterday. We had to stop in BOI to refuel due to performance issues on departure from JAC - it’s a 6300 ft runway at 7000 feet elevation. Either that or off-load some people. The very friendly AS station manager said that’s a common occurrence (she checked us in too and is a hoot - an asset to AS’s customer service IMHO). With terrain on both sides of the valley I’m guessing the engine fail SID is interesting.

AA can send pmAA A319s from JAC to CLT and BOS, but AS can’t reliably get to SEA with a full load? Something is wrong with that picture.


CLE will happen eventually. I think JAX is probably a long-shot, but I wouldn't.sleep on ORF. Plenty of navy traffic between Chesapeake and Puget Sound.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Sun Sep 12, 2021 11:44 pm

wedgetail737 wrote:
SANFan wrote:
AS has added the MAX9 to a new route in Dec: SAN-HNL. They've never been able to fly the 739 from SAN to Hawaii (even though they sometimes fly it w/b INTO SAN) due to runway and terrain conditions. Now they can get the increased capacity of the MAX (I assume) departing w/b to the Islands. (I'm hoping they don't loose any pax or other payload for those long-haul departures heading west.)

AS was flirting with 2x daily flights between SAN and HNL (for the first time) earlier this year so there apparently is plenty of traffic, but they did not do so perhaps due to begged-for limits by the State on pax being flown to HI? But now they can hopefully maximize the number of pax carried by a single flight. Of course AS has the additional competition from WN in the SAN-HI markets now.

Unfortunately it must be noted that AS has dropped both SAN & SJC to LIH for the 1st half of Dec. The route resumes on the 16th of Dec to both cities. Covid-related issues I assume...

BTW, it appears that AS mostly re-worked the Dec 16-Jan 3 (Holiday) skeds last night (Saturday) although I'm still searching to see what else might have been changed... So far lots of slight freq trims and some minor changes.

bb


I don't if they updated their schedule, but it seems like PAE-SAN is a casualty.


Yep. I was booked on PAE-SAN on Dec. 27 and returning on Jan. 4. First AS changed from 2x to 1x. Then canned it all together. This isn’t new. It happened at least two weeks ago.

I posted criticism of how AS is handling PAE and got blasted by a few other A.net participants. I realize things are volatile and unpredictable right now, but I do question how sincere AS is about maintaining service at PAE. They have been continuously hacking away and pushing out resumptions of routes at PAE so much, I do wonder if they really ever really planned to operate some of these flights in the first place.

AS cut JAC-SEA from daily to 2x very recently and caused some travelers problems too. I know AS is trying their best, but it is frustrating when you have rental car and hotels booked at certain times and then you feel like it’s, “just kidding, sorry, we never really intended to operate that flight.”
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Mon Sep 13, 2021 12:50 am

SANFan wrote:
AS has added the MAX9 to a new route in Dec: SAN-HNL. They've never been able to fly the 739 from SAN to Hawaii (even though they sometimes fly it w/b INTO SAN) due to runway and terrain conditions. Now they can get the increased capacity of the MAX (I assume) departing w/b to the Islands. (I'm hoping they don't loose any pax or other payload for those long-haul departures heading west.)

AS was flirting with 2x daily flights between SAN and HNL (for the first time) earlier this year so there apparently is plenty of traffic, but they did not do so perhaps due to begged-for limits by the State on pax being flown to HI? But now they can hopefully maximize the number of pax carried by a single flight. Of course AS has the additional competition from WN in the SAN-HI markets now.

Unfortunately it must be noted that AS has dropped both SAN & SJC to LIH for the 1st half of Dec. The route resumes on the 16th of Dec to both cities. Covid-related issues I assume...

BTW, it appears that AS mostly re-worked the Dec 16-Jan 3 (Holiday) skeds last night (Saturday) although I'm still searching to see what else might have been changed... So far lots of slight freq trims and some minor changes.

bb

Anyone know if/when AS will resume SFO-KOA/LIH? I understand that (for some reason) those were pre-pandemic cuts, but it's odd to see them plan to fly low-frequency Mexico adds (ZIH/LTO/MZT/CUN) from SFO but not some core west coast leisure routes.

+ what about SFO-LIR/SJO & BZE? The Caribbean/Central America have weathered the pandemic well. I myself tried to book direct to LIR for this winter but UA's direct option from SFO was far too $$$ and hotel availability was tough to find.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Mon Sep 13, 2021 1:01 am

tphuang wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
gmcc wrote:
Another use for the 321 fleet is getting a full load out of tough transcon airports. Management has stated on earnings calls that 321 can do stuff out of DCA that others planes in their fleet can't so that may be their fate, DCA-West coast.


Come on.. how many tough transcon airports are there? They don't fly east of ORD from SNA, and not even 1000 sm from BUR. They don't fly from LGA at all. You don't keep a separate type for DCA-SEA/PDX/SFO/LAX... not at the (restricted) frequencies AS flies them. It's pathological to keep a narrowbody type of 10 aircraft. AS knows this. They didn't even want a fleet of 73 in the A320 family!

They will get rid of those a321neo at about the same time as the a320 classic are removed from service. It's absolutely foolish to keep around 10 a321neo for 3 years by itself. And then as will probably have 5 737 bases in the future (sea, pdx, anc, lax and San). Of course, people will probably tell me I am wrong now and that as will keep a321neo for a long time so they can have a lie flat fleet.


SO if AS retires the 321's what will happen to DCA transcon routes going back to the 738's? How much longer before they fully retire?? that is all DCA gets now is 321? Very few 320;s.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Mon Sep 13, 2021 1:23 am

b777900 wrote:
tphuang wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:

Come on.. how many tough transcon airports are there? They don't fly east of ORD from SNA, and not even 1000 sm from BUR. They don't fly from LGA at all. You don't keep a separate type for DCA-SEA/PDX/SFO/LAX... not at the (restricted) frequencies AS flies them. It's pathological to keep a narrowbody type of 10 aircraft. AS knows this. They didn't even want a fleet of 73 in the A320 family!

They will get rid of those a321neo at about the same time as the a320 classic are removed from service. It's absolutely foolish to keep around 10 a321neo for 3 years by itself. And then as will probably have 5 737 bases in the future (sea, pdx, anc, lax and San). Of course, people will probably tell me I am wrong now and that as will keep a321neo for a long time so they can have a lie flat fleet.


SO if AS retires the 321's what will happen to DCA transcon routes going back to the 738's? How much longer before they fully retire?? that is all DCA gets now is 321? Very few 320;s.


AS could go back to 738's on their DCA routes. But why couldn't a MAX-9 work at DCA?
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Mon Sep 13, 2021 1:32 am

BoeingGuy wrote:
wedgetail737 wrote:
SANFan wrote:
AS has added the MAX9 to a new route in Dec: SAN-HNL. They've never been able to fly the 739 from SAN to Hawaii (even though they sometimes fly it w/b INTO SAN) due to runway and terrain conditions. Now they can get the increased capacity of the MAX (I assume) departing w/b to the Islands. (I'm hoping they don't loose any pax or other payload for those long-haul departures heading west.)

AS was flirting with 2x daily flights between SAN and HNL (for the first time) earlier this year so there apparently is plenty of traffic, but they did not do so perhaps due to begged-for limits by the State on pax being flown to HI? But now they can hopefully maximize the number of pax carried by a single flight. Of course AS has the additional competition from WN in the SAN-HI markets now.

Unfortunately it must be noted that AS has dropped both SAN & SJC to LIH for the 1st half of Dec. The route resumes on the 16th of Dec to both cities. Covid-related issues I assume...

BTW, it appears that AS mostly re-worked the Dec 16-Jan 3 (Holiday) skeds last night (Saturday) although I'm still searching to see what else might have been changed... So far lots of slight freq trims and some minor changes.

bb


I don't if they updated their schedule, but it seems like PAE-SAN is a casualty.


Yep. I was booked on PAE-SAN on Dec. 27 and returning on Jan. 4. First AS changed from 2x to 1x. Then canned it all together. This isn’t new. It happened at least two weeks ago.

I posted criticism of how AS is handling PAE and got blasted by a few other A.net participants. I realize things are volatile and unpredictable right now, but I do question how sincere AS is about maintaining service at PAE. They have been continuously hacking away and pushing out resumptions of routes at PAE so much, I do wonder if they really ever really planned to operate some of these flights in the first place.

AS cut JAC-SEA from daily to 2x very recently and caused some travelers problems too. I know AS is trying their best, but it is frustrating when you have rental car and hotels booked at certain times and then you feel like it’s, “just kidding, sorry, we never really intended to operate that flight.”


Yeah...I'm a little surprised that AS abandoned PAE to the Bay Area AND the L.A. Basin, including SAN. I see they fly to PSP, but the prices are sky-high...like they are intentionally pricing themselves out of the market. I have hope that AS will regenerate PAE next Spring/Summer.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Mon Sep 13, 2021 2:26 am

sfojvjets wrote:
SANFan wrote:
AS has added the MAX9 to a new route in Dec: SAN-HNL. They've never been able to fly the 739 from SAN to Hawaii (even though they sometimes fly it w/b INTO SAN) due to runway and terrain conditions. Now they can get the increased capacity of the MAX (I assume) departing w/b to the Islands. (I'm hoping they don't loose any pax or other payload for those long-haul departures heading west.)

AS was flirting with 2x daily flights between SAN and HNL (for the first time) earlier this year so there apparently is plenty of traffic, but they did not do so perhaps due to begged-for limits by the State on pax being flown to HI? But now they can hopefully maximize the number of pax carried by a single flight. Of course AS has the additional competition from WN in the SAN-HI markets now.

Unfortunately it must be noted that AS has dropped both SAN & SJC to LIH for the 1st half of Dec. The route resumes on the 16th of Dec to both cities. Covid-related issues I assume...

BTW, it appears that AS mostly re-worked the Dec 16-Jan 3 (Holiday) skeds last night (Saturday) although I'm still searching to see what else might have been changed... So far lots of slight freq trims and some minor changes.

bb

Anyone know if/when AS will resume SFO-KOA/LIH? I understand that (for some reason) those were pre-pandemic cuts, but it's odd to see them plan to fly low-frequency Mexico adds (ZIH/LTO/MZT/CUN) from SFO but not some core west coast leisure routes.

+ what about SFO-LIR/SJO & BZE? The Caribbean/Central America have weathered the pandemic well. I myself tried to book direct to LIR for this winter but UA's direct option from SFO was far too $$$ and hotel availability was tough to find.

One thing to keep on mind is that AS flew Bay Area-Mexico beaches long before HI or VS were in the picture.
 
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Mon Sep 13, 2021 2:29 am

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I don't if they updated their schedule, but it seems like PAE-SAN is a casualty.


Yep. I was booked on PAE-SAN on Dec. 27 and returning on Jan. 4. First AS changed from 2x to 1x. Then canned it all together. This isn’t new. It happened at least two weeks ago.

I posted criticism of how AS is handling PAE and got blasted by a few other A.net participants. I realize things are volatile and unpredictable right now, but I do question how sincere AS is about maintaining service at PAE. They have been continuously hacking away and pushing out resumptions of routes at PAE so much, I do wonder if they really ever really planned to operate some of these flights in the first place.

AS cut JAC-SEA from daily to 2x very recently and caused some travelers problems too. I know AS is trying their best, but it is frustrating when you have rental car and hotels booked at certain times and then you feel like it’s, “just kidding, sorry, we never really intended to operate that flight.”


Yeah...I'm a little surprised that AS abandoned PAE to the Bay Area AND the L.A. Basin, including SAN. I see they fly to PSP, but the prices are sky-high...like they are intentionally pricing themselves out of the market. I have hope that AS will regenerate PAE next Spring/Summer.


PAE-PHX is as much as $799 one way right after Christmas. PSP wasn’t quite that high. LAS is in the middle. PAE-TUS is reasonably priced.

I won’t be surprised if AS cuts PAE-TUS before it even starts. More bait and switch.

UA did the same thing. PAE-DEN was much more than UA SEA-DEN or the LLCs. Last year when I flew it, PAE-DEN was the same as SEA-DEN. This year UA jacked the price up so much over SEA that they also seemed to be intentionally discouraging traffic.
 
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Mon Sep 13, 2021 3:13 am

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BoeingGuy wrote:

Yep. I was booked on PAE-SAN on Dec. 27 and returning on Jan. 4. First AS changed from 2x to 1x. Then canned it all together. This isn’t new. It happened at least two weeks ago.

I posted criticism of how AS is handling PAE and got blasted by a few other A.net participants. I realize things are volatile and unpredictable right now, but I do question how sincere AS is about maintaining service at PAE. They have been continuously hacking away and pushing out resumptions of routes at PAE so much, I do wonder if they really ever really planned to operate some of these flights in the first place.

AS cut JAC-SEA from daily to 2x very recently and caused some travelers problems too. I know AS is trying their best, but it is frustrating when you have rental car and hotels booked at certain times and then you feel like it’s, “just kidding, sorry, we never really intended to operate that flight.”


Yeah...I'm a little surprised that AS abandoned PAE to the Bay Area AND the L.A. Basin, including SAN. I see they fly to PSP, but the prices are sky-high...like they are intentionally pricing themselves out of the market. I have hope that AS will regenerate PAE next Spring/Summer.


PAE-PHX is as much as $799 one way right after Christmas. PSP wasn’t quite that high. LAS is in the middle. PAE-TUS is reasonably priced.

I won’t be surprised if AS cuts PAE-TUS before it even starts. More bait and switch.

UA did the same thing. PAE-DEN was much more than UA SEA-DEN or the LLCs. Last year when I flew it, PAE-DEN was the same as SEA-DEN. This year UA jacked the price up so much over SEA that they also seemed to be intentionally discouraging traffic.


My brother-in-law was able to get a one-way ticket between OMA-DEN-PAE for $130.
 
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Mon Sep 13, 2021 3:50 am

BoeingGuy wrote:
wedgetail737 wrote:
BoeingGuy wrote:

Yep. I was booked on PAE-SAN on Dec. 27 and returning on Jan. 4. First AS changed from 2x to 1x. Then canned it all together. This isn’t new. It happened at least two weeks ago.

I posted criticism of how AS is handling PAE and got blasted by a few other A.net participants. I realize things are volatile and unpredictable right now, but I do question how sincere AS is about maintaining service at PAE. They have been continuously hacking away and pushing out resumptions of routes at PAE so much, I do wonder if they really ever really planned to operate some of these flights in the first place.

AS cut JAC-SEA from daily to 2x very recently and caused some travelers problems too. I know AS is trying their best, but it is frustrating when you have rental car and hotels booked at certain times and then you feel like it’s, “just kidding, sorry, we never really intended to operate that flight.”


Yeah...I'm a little surprised that AS abandoned PAE to the Bay Area AND the L.A. Basin, including SAN. I see they fly to PSP, but the prices are sky-high...like they are intentionally pricing themselves out of the market. I have hope that AS will regenerate PAE next Spring/Summer.


PAE-PHX is as much as $799 one way right after Christmas. PSP wasn’t quite that high. LAS is in the middle. PAE-TUS is reasonably priced.

I won’t be surprised if AS cuts PAE-TUS before it even starts. More bait and switch.

UA did the same thing. PAE-DEN was much more than UA SEA-DEN or the LLCs. Last year when I flew it, PAE-DEN was the same as SEA-DEN. This year UA jacked the price up so much over SEA that they also seemed to be intentionally discouraging traffic.


AS often zeroes out inventory up to full fare (Y) economy class before they cut a route or schedules. I wouldn’t be surprised to see PAE-PHX reduced or cut shortly. That said - perhaps there really somehow are people paying that much and AS is protecting inventory
 
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Mon Sep 13, 2021 4:05 am

joeblow10 wrote:
BoeingGuy wrote:
wedgetail737 wrote:

Yeah...I'm a little surprised that AS abandoned PAE to the Bay Area AND the L.A. Basin, including SAN. I see they fly to PSP, but the prices are sky-high...like they are intentionally pricing themselves out of the market. I have hope that AS will regenerate PAE next Spring/Summer.


PAE-PHX is as much as $799 one way right after Christmas. PSP wasn’t quite that high. LAS is in the middle. PAE-TUS is reasonably priced.

I won’t be surprised if AS cuts PAE-TUS before it even starts. More bait and switch.

UA did the same thing. PAE-DEN was much more than UA SEA-DEN or the LLCs. Last year when I flew it, PAE-DEN was the same as SEA-DEN. This year UA jacked the price up so much over SEA that they also seemed to be intentionally discouraging traffic.


AS often zeroes out inventory up to full fare (Y) economy class before they cut a route or schedules. I wouldn’t be surprised to see PAE-PHX reduced or cut shortly. That said - perhaps there really somehow are people paying that much and AS is protecting inventory


I think PAE-PHX is pretty popular. We booked PAE-LAS in 1st class and it was sold out well over two months before the flight.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Mon Sep 13, 2021 12:24 pm

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tphuang wrote:
They will get rid of those a321neo at about the same time as the a320 classic are removed from service. It's absolutely foolish to keep around 10 a321neo for 3 years by itself. And then as will probably have 5 737 bases in the future (sea, pdx, anc, lax and San). Of course, people will probably tell me I am wrong now and that as will keep a321neo for a long time so they can have a lie flat fleet.


SO if AS retires the 321's what will happen to DCA transcon routes going back to the 738's? How much longer before they fully retire?? that is all DCA gets now is 321? Very few 320;s.


AS could go back to 738's on their DCA routes. But why couldn't a MAX-9 work at DCA?


I believe that the MAX-9 has the same field performance issues out of DCA as the 737-900ERs, but to a lesser extent. The main runway is too short to allow for a full load of passengers, bags, fuel to the west coast, especially in Winter, so seats would have to be blocked, unlike the 738s, which have better field performance. The A321neos do not have the same issue and can fly full payloads out of DCA, even in Winter.
 
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IF DCA Can not handle the MAX 9 OR the 739 because of MTOW and AS retires the 321 and the 738 what will happen to DCA service?
 
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Mon Sep 13, 2021 3:17 pm

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IF DCA Can not handle the MAX 9 OR the 739 because of MTOW and AS retires the 321 and the 738 what will happen to DCA service?

AS will offer fewer seats.
 
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Mon Sep 13, 2021 4:10 pm

NameOmitted wrote:
b777900 wrote:
IF DCA Can not handle the MAX 9 OR the 739 because of MTOW and AS retires the 321 and the 738 what will happen to DCA service?

AS will offer fewer seats.


AS will use the 737-800 or 737-8 out of DCA. Just like they used the -800 for many years previously.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Mon Sep 13, 2021 4:34 pm

joeblow10 wrote:
BoeingGuy wrote:
wedgetail737 wrote:

Yeah...I'm a little surprised that AS abandoned PAE to the Bay Area AND the L.A. Basin, including SAN. I see they fly to PSP, but the prices are sky-high...like they are intentionally pricing themselves out of the market. I have hope that AS will regenerate PAE next Spring/Summer.


PAE-PHX is as much as $799 one way right after Christmas. PSP wasn’t quite that high. LAS is in the middle. PAE-TUS is reasonably priced.

I won’t be surprised if AS cuts PAE-TUS before it even starts. More bait and switch.

UA did the same thing. PAE-DEN was much more than UA SEA-DEN or the LLCs. Last year when I flew it, PAE-DEN was the same as SEA-DEN. This year UA jacked the price up so much over SEA that they also seemed to be intentionally discouraging traffic.


AS often zeroes out inventory up to full fare (Y) economy class before they cut a route or schedules. I wouldn’t be surprised to see PAE-PHX reduced or cut shortly. That said - perhaps there really somehow are people paying that much and AS is protecting inventory



AS also makes only Y inventory available on specific high demand markets at high demand periods like around the holidays, knowing full well they’ll sell every single seat at full Y by the time the flight leaves. PAEPHX is one of the best performers in the network.
 
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Mon Sep 13, 2021 4:45 pm

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joeblow10 wrote:
BoeingGuy wrote:

PAE-PHX is as much as $799 one way right after Christmas. PSP wasn’t quite that high. LAS is in the middle. PAE-TUS is reasonably priced.

I won’t be surprised if AS cuts PAE-TUS before it even starts. More bait and switch.

UA did the same thing. PAE-DEN was much more than UA SEA-DEN or the LLCs. Last year when I flew it, PAE-DEN was the same as SEA-DEN. This year UA jacked the price up so much over SEA that they also seemed to be intentionally discouraging traffic.


AS often zeroes out inventory up to full fare (Y) economy class before they cut a route or schedules. I wouldn’t be surprised to see PAE-PHX reduced or cut shortly. That said - perhaps there really somehow are people paying that much and AS is protecting inventory



AS also makes only Y inventory available on specific high demand markets at high demand periods like around the holidays, knowing full well they’ll sell every single seat at full Y by the time the flight leaves. PAEPHX is one of the best performers in the network.


Until they don’t sell and then prices collapse to reality 2-3 months in advance. Very used to the practice as I fly AS all the time. The prices drop every single time. No rational person is paying $799 OW for PAEPHX.
 
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Mon Sep 13, 2021 5:57 pm

BoeingGuy wrote:
NameOmitted wrote:
b777900 wrote:
IF DCA Can not handle the MAX 9 OR the 739 because of MTOW and AS retires the 321 and the 738 what will happen to DCA service?

AS will offer fewer seats.


AS will use the 737-800 or 737-8 out of DCA. Just like they used the -800 for many years previously.



When AS finally retires the 738 than what?? Will AS ever try for new longer range fleet for transcons..
 
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Mon Sep 13, 2021 6:02 pm

b777900 wrote:
BoeingGuy wrote:
NameOmitted wrote:
AS will offer fewer seats.


AS will use the 737-800 or 737-8 out of DCA. Just like they used the -800 for many years previously.



When AS finally retires the 738 than what?? Will AS ever try for new longer range fleet for transcons..


Well they’ve probably got 20 years until they retire the 7M8…
 
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Mon Sep 13, 2021 6:03 pm

b777900 wrote:
BoeingGuy wrote:
NameOmitted wrote:
AS will offer fewer seats.


AS will use the 737-800 or 737-8 out of DCA. Just like they used the -800 for many years previously.



When AS finally retires the 738 than what?? Will AS ever try for new longer range fleet for transcons..


737-8
 
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Mon Sep 13, 2021 6:13 pm

USAirKid wrote:
b777900 wrote:
BoeingGuy wrote:

AS will use the 737-800 or 737-8 out of DCA. Just like they used the -800 for many years previously.



When AS finally retires the 738 than what?? Will AS ever try for new longer range fleet for transcons..


Well they’ve probably got 20 years until they retire the 7M8…

Kind of hard to retire a plane they don't even have on order. All AS max8 orders were converted to max9s. They might convert some of them back but the current order is only for max9s.
https://newsroom.alaskaair.com/2021-08- ... 9-aircraft
 
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Mon Sep 13, 2021 6:23 pm

gmcc wrote:
USAirKid wrote:
b777900 wrote:


When AS finally retires the 738 than what?? Will AS ever try for new longer range fleet for transcons..


Well they’ve probably got 20 years until they retire the 7M8…

Kind of hard to retire a plane they don't even have on order. All AS max8 orders were converted to max9s. They might convert some of them back but the current order is only for max9s.
https://newsroom.alaskaair.com/2021-08- ... 9-aircraft


Oh okay. I didn’t realize that. My previous response was incorrect. I assumed AS would use the 737-8 to DCA, but sounds like that model isn’t going to be in their fleet.
 
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Mon Sep 13, 2021 6:46 pm

When AS finally retires the 738 than what??

I'm sure Alaska Airlines will replace them with the MAX9. I wish they ordered the MAX10 instead.
 
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Mon Sep 13, 2021 7:28 pm

USAirKid wrote:
b777900 wrote:
BoeingGuy wrote:

AS will use the 737-800 or 737-8 out of DCA. Just like they used the -800 for many years previously.



When AS finally retires the 738 than what?? Will AS ever try for new longer range fleet for transcons..


Well they’ve probably got 20 years until they retire the 7M8…


AS doesn't even have any MAX-8's, only the MAX-9, and that's all they have on order. So the question remains - what plane will fly from airports like DCA or some of the smaller airports that see mainline service in Alaska?
 
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Mon Sep 13, 2021 7:51 pm

ASFlyer wrote:
USAirKid wrote:
b777900 wrote:


When AS finally retires the 738 than what?? Will AS ever try for new longer range fleet for transcons..


Well they’ve probably got 20 years until they retire the 7M8…


AS doesn't even have any MAX-8's, only the MAX-9, and that's all they have on order. So the question remains - what plane will fly from airports like DCA or some of the smaller airports that see mainline service in Alaska?


Do we know if the 737 MAX 9 can do it? Everyone is assuming no. Further, we know the 738 can and AS hasn't announced a replacement for those yet, so this question is highly premature and to rule out the MAX 8 when there isn't even a 738 replacement plan is mistaken.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Mon Sep 13, 2021 8:28 pm

b777900 wrote:
BoeingGuy wrote:
NameOmitted wrote:
AS will offer fewer seats.


AS will use the 737-800 or 737-8 out of DCA. Just like they used the -800 for many years previously.



When AS finally retires the 738 than what?? Will AS ever try for new longer range fleet for transcons..

Probably whatever exists in the mid 2030s that will best replace a 738. They have 20 frames delivered in 2009 or more recently. These frames will last well into the 2030s until a plane which probably does not currently exist will replace them. The oldest 738, Ship 546 won’t turn 20 for another 3 years and 5 months. The AS Fleet isn’t like the US3 where frames were delivered in the late 1990s into the early 2000s to replace 727s. The AS 738 Fleet replaced the AS 727 replacement, the MD83.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Mon Sep 13, 2021 9:18 pm

Would it be profitable if Alaska Airlines fly to other hubs even though they don't have any connections?

Example: Spokane to Denver, Salt Lake City, Las Vegas & Phoenix.
 
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Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:34 pm

Serious question. Can Alaska Airlines grow/add more flights out of Los Angeles International, San Diego International & San Francisco International?
 
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Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:39 pm

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Would it be profitable if Alaska Airlines fly to other hubs even though they don't have any connections?

Example: Spokane to Denver, Salt Lake City, Las Vegas & Phoenix.


I can’t see a UA or DL stronghold like DEN and SLC respectively being great choices. The AA hub/former hub of LAS & PHX might work.
 
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Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:52 pm

dc10lover wrote:
Serious question. Can Alaska Airlines grow/add more flights out of Los Angeles International, San Diego International & San Francisco International?


Yes.
 
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Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:55 pm

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Serious question. Can Alaska Airlines grow/add more flights out of Los Angeles International, San Diego International & San Francisco International?

They can at LAX, even being down 3 gates for the 5.5 core, gate 61 and T6 renovations, gate 66 and 68A they don't seem to be taxing available gates. 68B is also closed but since it is a wide body gate I don't think they use it. Pretty certain they will be down 2-3 gate at LAX till sometime in 2024 when T6 renovations are scheduled to wrap up. As to where they might go there are lots of options as to where they might go but JFK isn't one of them as the are ended LAX-JFK.
 
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Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:00 am

dc10lover wrote:
Would it be profitable if Alaska Airlines fly to other hubs even though they don't have any connections?

Example: Spokane to Denver, Salt Lake City, Las Vegas & Phoenix.


They do that now on some routes like BOI-AUS, BOI-ORD and soon PSP-AUS.
 
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Sun Sep 19, 2021 9:24 pm

Scheduled updated through February 16, 2022.

PDX/SAN-PAE are back, and PDX-TUS is now on the 737.

Lots of cuts and suspensions all around, though.
 
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Sun Sep 19, 2021 9:41 pm

Also noticing that AS is planning on utilizing the E175 on very long routes that normally use 737s.
 
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Sun Sep 19, 2021 9:47 pm

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Also noticing that AS is planning on utilizing the E175 on very long routes that normally use 737s.

Hopefully bookings increase that requires a 737.
 
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Sun Sep 19, 2021 10:47 pm

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Also noticing that AS is planning on utilizing the E175 on very long routes that normally use 737s.


Such as?
 
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Sun Sep 19, 2021 10:56 pm

AC4500 wrote:
Scheduled updated through February 16, 2022.

PDX/SAN-PAE are back, and PDX-TUS is now on the 737.

Lots of cuts and suspensions all around, though.


When does AS resume PAE-SAN? I was booked on 12/27 and 1/4 and the flights were cancelled. I don’t seem it available now either.
 
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Sun Sep 19, 2021 10:57 pm

AC4500 wrote:
Scheduled updated through February 16, 2022.

PDX/SAN-PAE are back, and PDX-TUS is now on the 737.

Lots of cuts and suspensions all around, though.


The off-peak season for flying is going to be pretty bleak...no thanks to the Delta variant. But I think you'll see a significant increase in flights come mid-Spring to early summer.
 
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Sun Sep 19, 2021 11:01 pm

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AC4500 wrote:
Also noticing that AS is planning on utilizing the E175 on very long routes that normally use 737s.


Such as?


Keep in mind that AS uses E-175's on the SEA-ICT route. They have used the E-175's on a lot of east-west routes like SAN-MSP, PDX-MSP, SEA-OMA, SEA-MKE, SEA/PDX-DAL, DAL-LGA, DAL-DCA, SEA-OKC, SEA-MCI, etc.

I think the E-715's are good starter airplanes for medium-range flights if they were to open something like SEA-TUL, SEA-DSM, etc. The E-175's do not have the legs to fly much further than that like SEA-CLE or SEA-MEM.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Sun Sep 19, 2021 11:08 pm

BoeingGuy wrote:
AC4500 wrote:
Scheduled updated through February 16, 2022.

PDX/SAN-PAE are back, and PDX-TUS is now on the 737.

Lots of cuts and suspensions all around, though.


When does AS resume PAE-SAN? I was booked on 12/27 and 1/4 and the flights were cancelled. I don’t seem it available now either.


You're not going to believe this, but the PAE-SAN service comes back on 1/4, according to the AS website.

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