ASFlyer wrote:

sprxUSA wrote:

I thought HA always flew the DC-8 to ANC. Guess I'll now go and investigate LOL.

Yep, I see they did use the 1011 for awhile.
And they are shown I their timetables as a regular operation, so anyone could buy a ticket for it.

BOI- Hawai'I has had three nonstop operators that I can recall from 1985 on and all seemed to fail in the execution. Maybe a fourth try could be a winner. Although, I doubt it.

The demographics in BOI are changing. More people are moving there from California and a lot of younger people are moving to the BOI area. Hawaii may actually work this time. A three or four day a week flight to HNL or OGG would probably thrive.

Ishrion wrote:

Alaska is increasing SEA-AUS from 3x to 4x daily and PDX-AUS from 1x to 2x daily this summer: https://crankyflier.com/2021/03/22/fron ... n-aplenty/

It looks like both of the new frequencies are redeye E175s

What frequency did they operate for the same period in 2019? 2x daily SEA-AUS and 1x daily PDX-AUS?

SANFan wrote:

My guess is that AS is expecting more competition in the AUS markets, and not only SEA & PDX. The Bay Area, and SoCal, are also plenty of frequencies. And don't forget BOI. There seems lots of chatter recently about DL, B6 and who knows who else jumping into the markets. And AS is taking over the AUS routes from the West Coast (e.g. SJC being dropped by AA while AS flies it (I believe) triple-daily) so there's that to figure in.

AUS seems to be a market that is doing well even as we navigate thru COVID so you can't blame AS for going for it big time!

bb

Wneast wrote:

SANFan wrote:

My guess is that AS is expecting more competition in the AUS markets, and not only SEA & PDX. The Bay Area, and SoCal, are also plenty of frequencies. And don't forget BOI. There seems lots of chatter recently about DL, B6 and who knows who else jumping into the markets. And AS is taking over the AUS routes from the West Coast (e.g. SJC being dropped by AA while AS flies it (I believe) triple-daily) so there's that to figure in.

AUS seems to be a market that is doing well even as we navigate thru COVID so you can't blame AS for going for it big time!

bb

Are you saying that there could be other Airlines jumping into the Austin to PDX and SEA, or the Boise market too ?

ASFlyer wrote:

sprxUSA wrote:

I thought HA always flew the DC-8 to ANC. Guess I'll now go and investigate LOL.

Yep, I see they did use the 1011 for awhile.
And they are shown I their timetables as a regular operation, so anyone could buy a ticket for it.

BOI- Hawai'I has had three nonstop operators that I can recall from 1985 on and all seemed to fail in the execution. Maybe a fourth try could be a winner. Although, I doubt it.

The demographics in BOI are changing. More people are moving there from California and a lot of younger people are moving to the BOI area. Hawaii may actually work this time. A three or four day a week flight to HNL or OGG would probably thrive.

sprxUSA wrote:

ASFlyer wrote:

sprxUSA wrote:

I thought HA always flew the DC-8 to ANC. Guess I'll now go and investigate LOL.

Yep, I see they did use the 1011 for awhile.
And they are shown I their timetables as a regular operation, so anyone could buy a ticket for it.

BOI- Hawai'I has had three nonstop operators that I can recall from 1985 on and all seemed to fail in the execution. Maybe a fourth try could be a winner. Although, I doubt it.

The demographics in BOI are changing. More people are moving there from California and a lot of younger people are moving to the BOI area. Hawaii may actually work this time. A three or four day a week flight to HNL or OGG would probably thrive.

Oh I am all too familiar with the California ( and other places) influx of people. I do think, if there ever was a time to give it a go, it would be about now or within a year.
With a respected/well-known carrier doing it, chances of success will ot be any better.

ASFlyer wrote:

The demographics in BOI are changing. More people are moving there from California and a lot of younger people are moving to the BOI area. Hawaii may actually work this time. A three or four day a week flight to HNL or OGG would probably thrive.

FATFlyer wrote:

It is why I have said there are several western cities shown in the State of Hawaii data that could be considered for less than daily Hawaii flights based on their total traffic. Currently travelers have multiple airlines to choose for connections to Hawaii. Whoever starts nonstop service first will gain the largest share of those HI passengers from those cities.

Wneast wrote:

SANFan wrote:

My guess is that AS is expecting more competition in the AUS markets, and not only SEA & PDX. The Bay Area, and SoCal, are also plenty of frequencies. And don't forget BOI. There seems lots of chatter recently about DL, B6 and who knows who else jumping into the markets. And AS is taking over the AUS routes from the West Coast (e.g. SJC being dropped by AA while AS flies it (I believe) triple-daily) so there's that to figure in.

AUS seems to be a market that is doing well even as we navigate thru COVID so you can't blame AS for going for it big time!
bb

Are you saying that there could be other Airlines jumping into the Austin to PDX and SEA, or the Boise market too ?

flyfresno wrote:

ASFlyer wrote:

sprxUSA wrote:

I thought HA always flew the DC-8 to ANC. Guess I'll now go and investigate LOL.

Yep, I see they did use the 1011 for awhile.
And they are shown I their timetables as a regular operation, so anyone could buy a ticket for it.

BOI- Hawai'I has had three nonstop operators that I can recall from 1985 on and all seemed to fail in the execution. Maybe a fourth try could be a winner. Although, I doubt it.

The demographics in BOI are changing. More people are moving there from California and a lot of younger people are moving to the BOI area. Hawaii may actually work this time. A three or four day a week flight to HNL or OGG would probably thrive.

So, with Alaska basically retiring its Airbus fleet, it would appear BOI would need to be on the 737-9 MAX if they flew it? I'm not so sure they could make it work on the -800 without blocking seats a lot of the time going over, that's a long flight (although not a lot longer than ANC-HNL and they make that work).

Based on that, the possible airlines/aircraft for BOI-HNL would be HA on the 321 NEO, AS on the 737-9 MAX, and WN on the 737-8 MAX. Being as the MAX is so new at AS, HA would be a completely new carrier to BOI, and WN would still have plenty of connecting options on days that a non-stop doesn't operate, I gotta give the odds to WN on this one.

Aliqiout wrote:

flyfresno wrote:

ASFlyer wrote:

The demographics in BOI are changing. More people are moving there from California and a lot of younger people are moving to the BOI area. Hawaii may actually work this time. A three or four day a week flight to HNL or OGG would probably thrive.

So, with Alaska basically retiring its Airbus fleet, it would appear BOI would need to be on the 737-9 MAX if they flew it? I'm not so sure they could make it work on the -800 without blocking seats a lot of the time going over, that's a long flight (although not a lot longer than ANC-HNL and they make that work).

Based on that, the possible airlines/aircraft for BOI-HNL would be HA on the 321 NEO, AS on the 737-9 MAX, and WN on the 737-8 MAX. Being as the MAX is so new at AS, HA would be a completely new carrier to BOI, and WN would still have plenty of connecting options on days that a non-stop doesn't operate, I gotta give the odds to WN on this one.

BOI is only slightly longer, but ANC-HNL doesn't have to fight westerly winds.

flyfresno wrote:

FATFlyer wrote:

It is why I have said there are several western cities shown in the State of Hawaii data that could be considered for less than daily Hawaii flights based on their total traffic. Currently travelers have multiple airlines to choose for connections to Hawaii. Whoever starts nonstop service first will gain the largest share of those HI passengers from those cities.

You could also see a mini "flood" after the first airline announces, similar to how FAT-GDL gained a second carrier only a matter of days after the route was (re) announced. This would especially be true if WN was the first carrier to "move" on cities where AS has built up a large presence like BOI and GEG (and maybe FAT). I could easily see a total of 3-4 weekly flights split among 2 carriers in all three of those markets, with announcements coming within weeks of eachother.

SANFan wrote:

My guess is that AS is expecting more competition in the AUS markets, and not only SEA & PDX. The Bay Area, and SoCal, are also plenty of frequencies. And don't forget BOI. There seems lots of chatter recently about DL, B6 and who knows who else jumping into the markets. And AS is taking over the AUS routes from the West Coast (e.g. SJC being dropped by AA while AS flies it (I believe) triple-daily) so there's that to figure in.

AUS seems to be a market that is doing well even as we navigate thru COVID so you can't blame AS for going for it big time!

bb

Wneast wrote:

flyfresno wrote:

FATFlyer wrote:

It is why I have said there are several western cities shown in the State of Hawaii data that could be considered for less than daily Hawaii flights based on their total traffic. Currently travelers have multiple airlines to choose for connections to Hawaii. Whoever starts nonstop service first will gain the largest share of those HI passengers from those cities.

You could also see a mini "flood" after the first airline announces, similar to how FAT-GDL gained a second carrier only a matter of days after the route was (re) announced. This would especially be true if WN was the first carrier to "move" on cities where AS has built up a large presence like BOI and GEG (and maybe FAT). I could easily see a total of 3-4 weekly flights split among 2 carriers in all three of those markets, with announcements coming within weeks of eachother.

That would be super interesting and I kinda think they would do retaliate some how if southwest is the first to strike in BOI And GEG since Alaska is strong there

32andBelow wrote:

Wneast wrote:

flyfresno wrote:

You could also see a mini "flood" after the first airline announces, similar to how FAT-GDL gained a second carrier only a matter of days after the route was (re) announced. This would especially be true if WN was the first carrier to "move" on cities where AS has built up a large presence like BOI and GEG (and maybe FAT). I could easily see a total of 3-4 weekly flights split among 2 carriers in all three of those markets, with announcements coming within weeks of eachother.

That would be super interesting and I kinda think they would do retaliate some how if southwest is the first to strike in BOI And GEG since Alaska is strong there

WN could seriously mess Alaska up if they got on SEAANC with dirt cheap fairs.

Wneast wrote:

32andBelow wrote:

Wneast wrote:

That would be super interesting and I kinda think they would do retaliate some how if southwest is the first to strike in BOI And GEG since Alaska is strong there

WN could seriously mess Alaska up if they got on SEAANC with dirt cheap fairs.

I feel like WN is more likely to go at Alaska in PDX

32andBelow wrote:

Wneast wrote:

32andBelow wrote:

WN could seriously mess Alaska up if they got on SEAANC with dirt cheap fairs.

I feel like WN is more likely to go at Alaska in PDX

If they got on the Alaska trunk routes with low fairs people would start switching rapidly.

32andBelow wrote:

Wneast wrote:

32andBelow wrote:

WN could seriously mess Alaska up if they got on SEAANC with dirt cheap fairs.

I feel like WN is more likely to go at Alaska in PDX

If they got on the Alaska trunk routes with low fairs people would start switching rapidly.

flyfresno wrote:

32andBelow wrote:

Wneast wrote:

I feel like WN is more likely to go at Alaska in PDX

If they got on the Alaska trunk routes with low fairs people would start switching rapidly.

I can't see WN going into more than ANC and FAI, maybe (big maybe) JNU. WN won't touch some of those super small out-stations like OME and BRW with a 10 foot pole...

32andBelow wrote:

flyfresno wrote:

32andBelow wrote:

If they got on the Alaska trunk routes with low fairs people would start switching rapidly.

I can't see WN going into more than ANC and FAI, maybe (big maybe) JNU. WN won't touch some of those super small out-stations like OME and BRW with a 10 foot pole...

I know BUt 5-10 a day into Anc would be right in Alaska’s shorts. This is what I’d be worried about if they start all out war with WN

32andBelow wrote:

Wneast wrote:

32andBelow wrote:

WN could seriously mess Alaska up if they got on SEAANC with dirt cheap fairs.

I feel like WN is more likely to go at Alaska in PDX

If they got on the Alaska trunk routes with low fairs people would start switching rapidly.

QXorVX wrote:

32andBelow wrote:

Wneast wrote:

I feel like WN is more likely to go at Alaska in PDX

If they got on the Alaska trunk routes with low fairs people would start switching rapidly.

AS has defended ANC-SEA/ANC-PDX very well in the past and will continue to do so in the future. WN could probably flow some of their regular flyers in the peak summer season on a limited basis, but making major inroads would be pretty unlikely. Hard to compete with up to 20 daily flights and already pretty decent fares. Not to mention AS has a cost advantage to WN and a massively loyal following on both sides of that route.

The way things have been going for Southwest this year with trying anything and everything with the network I have gone from doubting they would ever try ANC to surprised they haven't. I can only assume it is a function of where to fly from ANC. The easiest two city pairs (SEA/PDX) will be a major battle. The rest (OAK/PHX/DEN/LAX/LAS) take a pretty big chuck of one plane's schedule for a very seasonal and now competitive market. I won't say never anymore, but if Bellingham makes the list first, ANC must be a pretty low priority.

QXorVX wrote:

32andBelow wrote:

Wneast wrote:

I feel like WN is more likely to go at Alaska in PDX

If they got on the Alaska trunk routes with low fairs people would start switching rapidly.

AS has defended ANC-SEA/ANC-PDX very well in the past and will continue to do so in the future. WN could probably flow some of their regular flyers in the peak summer season on a limited basis, but making major inroads would be pretty unlikely. Hard to compete with up to 20 daily flights and already pretty decent fares. Not to mention AS has a cost advantage to WN and a massively loyal following on both sides of that route.

The way things have been going for Southwest this year with trying anything and everything with the network I have gone from doubting they would ever try ANC to surprised they haven't. I can only assume it is a function of where to fly from ANC. The easiest two city pairs (SEA/PDX) will be a major battle. The rest (OAK/PHX/DEN/LAX/LAS) take a pretty big chuck of one plane's schedule for a very seasonal and now competitive market. I won't say never anymore, but if Bellingham makes the list first, ANC must be a pretty low priority.

32andBelow wrote:

QXorVX wrote:

32andBelow wrote:

If they got on the Alaska trunk routes with low fairs people would start switching rapidly.

AS has defended ANC-SEA/ANC-PDX very well in the past and will continue to do so in the future. WN could probably flow some of their regular flyers in the peak summer season on a limited basis, but making major inroads would be pretty unlikely. Hard to compete with up to 20 daily flights and already pretty decent fares. Not to mention AS has a cost advantage to WN and a massively loyal following on both sides of that route.

The way things have been going for Southwest this year with trying anything and everything with the network I have gone from doubting they would ever try ANC to surprised they haven't. I can only assume it is a function of where to fly from ANC. The easiest two city pairs (SEA/PDX) will be a major battle. The rest (OAK/PHX/DEN/LAX/LAS) take a pretty big chuck of one plane's schedule for a very seasonal and now competitive market. I won't say never anymore, but if Bellingham makes the list first, ANC must be a pretty low priority.

People love southwest. And no ones tried to come into ANC with big volume. Delta a little but they are expensive. If WN did SEA PDX DEN. Oh man...people are loyal to Alaska out of necessity more than anything

QXorVX wrote:

32andBelow wrote:

QXorVX wrote:

AS has defended ANC-SEA/ANC-PDX very well in the past and will continue to do so in the future. WN could probably flow some of their regular flyers in the peak summer season on a limited basis, but making major inroads would be pretty unlikely. Hard to compete with up to 20 daily flights and already pretty decent fares. Not to mention AS has a cost advantage to WN and a massively loyal following on both sides of that route.

The way things have been going for Southwest this year with trying anything and everything with the network I have gone from doubting they would ever try ANC to surprised they haven't. I can only assume it is a function of where to fly from ANC. The easiest two city pairs (SEA/PDX) will be a major battle. The rest (OAK/PHX/DEN/LAX/LAS) take a pretty big chuck of one plane's schedule for a very seasonal and now competitive market. I won't say never anymore, but if Bellingham makes the list first, ANC must be a pretty low priority.

People love southwest. And no ones tried to come into ANC with big volume. Delta a little but they are expensive. If WN did SEA PDX DEN. Oh man...people are loyal to Alaska out of necessity more than anything

A lot of what passengers may love about Southwest is currently offered by Alaska (to Alaska residents) and achievable by having an Alaska Airlines credit card. WN will not be able to out price AS, Alaska Airlines has a lower average cost to operate than Southwest.

Personal opinion only, but in the light of Club49/Credit Card holder think Southwest provides a slightly less desirable product.

32andBelow wrote:

QXorVX wrote:

32andBelow wrote:

People love southwest. And no ones tried to come into ANC with big volume. Delta a little but they are expensive. If WN did SEA PDX DEN. Oh man...people are loyal to Alaska out of necessity more than anything

A lot of what passengers may love about Southwest is currently offered by Alaska (to Alaska residents) and achievable by having an Alaska Airlines credit card. WN will not be able to out price AS, Alaska Airlines has a lower average cost to operate than Southwest.

Personal opinion only, but in the light of Club49/Credit Card holder think Southwest provides a slightly less desirable product.

To me it’s about the greater domestic network. If they offered ANCDEN you got some great eastbound stuff

Wneast wrote:

32andBelow wrote:

QXorVX wrote:

A lot of what passengers may love about Southwest is currently offered by Alaska (to Alaska residents) and achievable by having an Alaska Airlines credit card. WN will not be able to out price AS, Alaska Airlines has a lower average cost to operate than Southwest.

Personal opinion only, but in the light of Club49/Credit Card holder think Southwest provides a slightly less desirable product.

To me it’s about the greater domestic network. If they offered ANCDEN you got some great eastbound stuff

Does anybody have any guesses where they think Alaska’s is going to expand next there Hawaii routes but I think that’s with existing planes and does Alaska just announce a couple new routes at a time the have done that the past two weeks

32andBelow wrote:

Wneast wrote:

32andBelow wrote:

To me it’s about the greater domestic network. If they offered ANCDEN you got some great eastbound stuff

Does anybody have any guesses where they think Alaska’s is going to expand next there Hawaii routes but I think that’s with existing planes and does Alaska just announce a couple new routes at a time the have done that the past two weeks

Are they fully back on Hawaii yet? I don’t believe they are operating all their previous flights from Alaska to Hawaii yet.

32andBelow wrote:

Wneast wrote:

32andBelow wrote:

To me it’s about the greater domestic network. If they offered ANCDEN you got some great eastbound stuff

Does anybody have any guesses where they think Alaska’s is going to expand next there Hawaii routes but I think that’s with existing planes and does Alaska just announce a couple new routes at a time the have done that the past two weeks

Are they fully back on Hawaii yet? I don’t believe they are operating all their previous flights from Alaska to Hawaii yet.

Wneast wrote:

32andBelow wrote:

Wneast wrote:

Does anybody have any guesses where they think Alaska’s is going to expand next there Hawaii routes but I think that’s with existing planes and does Alaska just announce a couple new routes at a time the have done that the past two weeks

Are they fully back on Hawaii yet? I don’t believe they are operating all their previous flights from Alaska to Hawaii yet.

Do you know if they are set to announce more at BOI soon or will we not see more tel fall

32andBelow wrote:

Wneast wrote:

32andBelow wrote:

Are they fully back on Hawaii yet? I don’t believe they are operating all their previous flights from Alaska to Hawaii yet.

Do you know if they are set to announce more at BOI soon or will we not see more tel fall

I think all the airlines will just announce whatever they thing can make money for the next couple quarters whenever they come up with it

32andBelow wrote:

QXorVX wrote:

32andBelow wrote:

People love southwest. And no ones tried to come into ANC with big volume. Delta a little but they are expensive. If WN did SEA PDX DEN. Oh man...people are loyal to Alaska out of necessity more than anything

A lot of what passengers may love about Southwest is currently offered by Alaska (to Alaska residents) and achievable by having an Alaska Airlines credit card. WN will not be able to out price AS, Alaska Airlines has a lower average cost to operate than Southwest.

Personal opinion only, but in the light of Club49/Credit Card holder think Southwest provides a slightly less desirable product.

To me it’s about the greater domestic network. If they offered ANCDEN you got some great eastbound stuff

Aliqiout wrote:

32andBelow wrote:

QXorVX wrote:

A lot of what passengers may love about Southwest is currently offered by Alaska (to Alaska residents) and achievable by having an Alaska Airlines credit card. WN will not be able to out price AS, Alaska Airlines has a lower average cost to operate than Southwest.

Personal opinion only, but in the light of Club49/Credit Card holder think Southwest provides a slightly less desirable product.

To me it’s about the greater domestic network. If they offered ANCDEN you got some great eastbound stuff

...but AS/AA has a bigger domestic network than WN.

32andBelow wrote:

Aliqiout wrote:

32andBelow wrote:

To me it’s about the greater domestic network. If they offered ANCDEN you got some great eastbound stuff

...but AS/AA has a bigger domestic network than WN.

Hopefully they keep year round service to ORD. It’s not like you can get from OME to DFW very easily to exploit this relationship.

wedgetail737 wrote:

32andBelow wrote:

Aliqiout wrote:

...but AS/AA has a bigger domestic network than WN.

Hopefully they keep year round service to ORD. It’s not like you can get from OME to DFW very easily to exploit this relationship.

Maybe as AS gets more and more MAX airplanes, AS will consider ANC-DFW...and maybe ANC-PHX.

wedgetail737 wrote:

32andBelow wrote:

Aliqiout wrote:

...but AS/AA has a bigger domestic network than WN.

Hopefully they keep year round service to ORD. It’s not like you can get from OME to DFW very easily to exploit this relationship.

Maybe as AS gets more and more MAX airplanes, AS will consider ANC-DFW...and maybe ANC-PHX.

32andBelow wrote:

Wneast wrote:

flyfresno wrote:

You could also see a mini "flood" after the first airline announces, similar to how FAT-GDL gained a second carrier only a matter of days after the route was (re) announced. This would especially be true if WN was the first carrier to "move" on cities where AS has built up a large presence like BOI and GEG (and maybe FAT). I could easily see a total of 3-4 weekly flights split among 2 carriers in all three of those markets, with announcements coming within weeks of eachother.

That would be super interesting and I kinda think they would do retaliate some how if southwest is the first to strike in BOI And GEG since Alaska is strong there

WN could seriously mess Alaska up if they got on SEAANC with dirt cheap fairs.

alasizon wrote:

wedgetail737 wrote:

32andBelow wrote:

Hopefully they keep year round service to ORD. It’s not like you can get from OME to DFW very easily to exploit this relationship.

Maybe as AS gets more and more MAX airplanes, AS will consider ANC-DFW...and maybe ANC-PHX.

ANC-PHX is already flown.

32andBelow wrote:

alasizon wrote:

wedgetail737 wrote:

Maybe as AS gets more and more MAX airplanes, AS will consider ANC-DFW...and maybe ANC-PHX.

ANC-PHX is already flown.

That’s another north and south route. Alaska is extremely weak going east from Alaska. Delta has flights to MSP. UA to DEN and ORD. AS your going south and not making much ground.

32andBelow wrote:

alasizon wrote:

wedgetail737 wrote:

Maybe as AS gets more and more MAX airplanes, AS will consider ANC-DFW...and maybe ANC-PHX.

ANC-PHX is already flown.

That’s another north and south route. Alaska is extremely weak going east from Alaska. Delta has flights to MSP. UA to DEN and ORD. AS your going south and not making much ground.

wedgetail737 wrote:

32andBelow wrote:

Aliqiout wrote:

...but AS/AA has a bigger domestic network than WN.

Hopefully they keep year round service to ORD. It’s not like you can get from OME to DFW very easily to exploit this relationship.

Maybe as AS gets more and more MAX airplanes, AS will consider ANC-DFW...and maybe ANC-PHX.

flyfresno wrote:

FATFlyer wrote:

It is why I have said there are several western cities shown in the State of Hawaii data that could be considered for less than daily Hawaii flights based on their total traffic. Currently travelers have multiple airlines to choose for connections to Hawaii. Whoever starts nonstop service first will gain the largest share of those HI passengers from those cities.

You could also see a mini "flood" after the first airline announces, similar to how FAT-GDL gained a second carrier only a matter of days after the route was (re) announced. This would especially be true if WN was the first carrier to "move" on cities where AS has built up a large presence like BOI and GEG (and maybe FAT). I could easily see a total of 3-4 weekly flights split among 2 carriers in all three of those markets, with announcements coming within weeks of eachother.

seahawks7757 wrote:

32andBelow wrote:

Wneast wrote:

That would be super interesting and I kinda think they would do retaliate some how if southwest is the first to strike in BOI And GEG since Alaska is strong there

WN could seriously mess Alaska up if they got on SEAANC with dirt cheap fairs.

Why does everyone always say that WN has dirt cheap fairs? I am always looking at them when booking out of Seattle, Alaska and Delta are almost always cheaper then Southwest no matter the market. Old Southwest may have been cheaper, not so much in the last 15 years or so.

MIflyer12 wrote:

flyfresno wrote:

FATFlyer wrote:

It is why I have said there are several western cities shown in the State of Hawaii data that could be considered for less than daily Hawaii flights based on their total traffic. Currently travelers have multiple airlines to choose for connections to Hawaii. Whoever starts nonstop service first will gain the largest share of those HI passengers from those cities.

You could also see a mini "flood" after the first airline announces, similar to how FAT-GDL gained a second carrier only a matter of days after the route was (re) announced. This would especially be true if WN was the first carrier to "move" on cities where AS has built up a large presence like BOI and GEG (and maybe FAT). I could easily see a total of 3-4 weekly flights split among 2 carriers in all three of those markets, with announcements coming within weeks of eachother.

That's a fine example of the monkey-see monkey-do nonsense that can be found in (reactionary) U.S. route planning. If a route was marginal for one carrier (and it was, or somebody would have been flying it years ago!), then it probably can't support two.

One sees it all the time expressed on a.net. 'What's Delta going to do to compete with AA SEA-BLR?!' Probably nothing, if they're smart.

32andBelow wrote:

Aliqiout wrote:

32andBelow wrote:

To me it’s about the greater domestic network. If they offered ANCDEN you got some great eastbound stuff

...but AS/AA has a bigger domestic network than WN.

Hopefully they keep year round service to ORD. It’s not like you can get from OME to DFW very easily to exploit this relationship.

MIflyer12 wrote:

That's a fine example of the monkey-see monkey-do nonsense that can be found in (reactionary) U.S. route planning. If a route was marginal for one carrier (and it was, or somebody would have been flying it years ago!), then it probably can't support two.

One sees it all the time expressed on a.net. 'What's Delta going to do to compete with AA SEA-BLR?!' Probably nothing, if they're smart.

FATFlyer wrote:

MIflyer12 wrote:

That's a fine example of the monkey-see monkey-do nonsense that can be found in (reactionary) U.S. route planning. If a route was marginal for one carrier (and it was, or somebody would have been flying it years ago!), then it probably can't support two.

One sees it all the time expressed on a.net. 'What's Delta going to do to compete with AA SEA-BLR?!' Probably nothing, if they're smart.

I will agree with most of what you said. But I would disagree with the part I highlighted.

Cities grow, economies change, and customer choices/preferences change. A route may switch from marginal to profitable (or sometimes the other way around). Then an airline adds a route that now looks profitable. Sometimes 2 airlines attempt it to battle over who will win the now-profitable route.

MAH4546 wrote:

I've heard Miami announcement could happen soon.