wedgetail737 wrote:

Outside of them getting a little old these days, I think they'll stick around longer than you think. But they are a fun ride. I had thought what QX would replace the Q400's. More E175's? Maybe ATR's?

32andBelow wrote:

wedgetail737 wrote:

gunsontheroof wrote:

I have no inside information, but it looks like they're being relegated to intra-PNW routes and are probably in the process of being phased out. I don't think we'd be seeing mainline metal on PDX-SEA several times a day if that wasn't the game plan. I'd also speculate that their absence from PAE (say, PAE-BOI/GEG) suggests that their days are numbered. Quite a shame--they're a fun ride on a short hop.

Outside of them getting a little old these days, I think they'll stick around longer than you think. But they are a fun ride. I had thought what QX would replace the Q400's. More E175's? Maybe ATR's?

I don’t see any reason for them to get more 72 seat props since that’s what the e75 has. Maybe atr42s to really take over alaska flying and smaller routes from sea and PDX. But I doubt it.

wedgetail737 wrote:

32andBelow wrote:

wedgetail737 wrote:

Outside of them getting a little old these days, I think they'll stick around longer than you think. But they are a fun ride. I had thought what QX would replace the Q400's. More E175's? Maybe ATR's?

I don’t see any reason for them to get more 72 seat props since that’s what the e75 has. Maybe atr42s to really take over alaska flying and smaller routes from sea and PDX. But I doubt it.

If QX really does decide to retire the Q400's, is it really cost-effective for QX to continue flying to places like Yakima, Wenatchee, Pullman, Walla Walla, etc.
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wedgetail737 wrote:

32andBelow wrote:

wedgetail737 wrote:

Outside of them getting a little old these days, I think they'll stick around longer than you think. But they are a fun ride. I had thought what QX would replace the Q400's. More E175's? Maybe ATR's?

I don’t see any reason for them to get more 72 seat props since that’s what the e75 has. Maybe atr42s to really take over alaska flying and smaller routes from sea and PDX. But I doubt it.

If QX really does decide to retire the Q400's, is it really cost-effective for QX to continue flying to places like Yakima, Wenatchee, Pullman, Walla Walla, etc.

Although AS is starting two Q400 routes from SEA...RDD and IDA.

PITFlyer330 wrote:

Alaska updated its fleet plan https://twitter.com/ByERussell/status/1 ... 76771?s=20

wedgetail737 wrote:

Maybe the additional E-175's mean more secondary cities in the west and midwest? Or additional segments?

Wingtips56 wrote:

Yikes. That's a long haul down the pike for domestic connections from T-6. But then I'll be doing that anyway next February, connecting from QR to QX. At least my bags will be rechecked at TBIT, so I don't have to drag them down the street.

SANFan wrote:

wedgetail737 wrote:

Maybe the additional E-175's mean more secondary cities in the west and midwest? Or additional segments?

Orrrrrrr, just maybe (cough cough *SAN-LAX* cough)?

Since most all intra-CA flights are now flown with EMJs, I could certainly see added frequencies in many of those markets, I mean in addition to the SAN-LAX ones of course... LOL!

Also, I still think it's just a matter of time before AS enters the LAS and PHX markets from their CA hubs; these seem to me long over-due. (Yes, I know AA serves all cities to PHX already but I think AS would like their own metal on some of the flights in the markets. Doubtful but we must consider that AA might surrender some of their PHX routes to AS too...)

I don't think AAG will have any difficulty putting as many EMJs as they can get to good use over the next couple of years! (As I've mentioned before, I have a nice long list if AS needs any potential routes to consider -- just call!)

bb

wedgetail737 wrote:

SANFan wrote:

wedgetail737 wrote:

Maybe the additional E-175's mean more secondary cities in the west and midwest? Or additional segments?

Orrrrrrr, just maybe (cough cough *SAN-LAX* cough)?

Since most all intra-CA flights are now flown with EMJs, I could certainly see added frequencies in many of those markets, I mean in addition to the SAN-LAX ones of course... LOL!

Also, I still think it's just a matter of time before AS enters the LAS and PHX markets from their CA hubs; these seem to me long over-due. (Yes, I know AA serves all cities to PHX already but I think AS would like their own metal on some of the flights in the markets. Doubtful but we must consider that AA might surrender some of their PHX routes to AS too...)

I don't think AAG will have any difficulty putting as many EMJs as they can get to good use over the next couple of years! (As I've mentioned before, I have a nice long list if AS needs any potential routes to consider -- just call!)

bb

AS will hold off on the LAX-SAN segment just because they saw your entry into this thread. LOL! Who knows...it's not guarantee until they announce it.

AS flew the LAS-LAX segment briefly, if I remember correctly.

SANFan wrote:

wedgetail737 wrote:

Maybe the additional E-175's mean more secondary cities in the west and midwest? Or additional segments?

Orrrrrrr, just maybe (cough cough *SAN-LAX* cough)?

Since most all intra-CA flights are now flown with EMJs, I could certainly see added frequencies in many of those markets, I mean in addition to the SAN-LAX ones of course... LOL!

Also, I still think it's just a matter of time before AS enters the LAS and PHX markets from their CA hubs; these seem to me long over-due. (Yes, I know AA serves all cities to PHX already but I think AS would like their own metal on some of the flights in the markets. Doubtful but we must consider that AA might surrender some of their PHX routes to AS too...)

I don't think AAG will have any difficulty putting as many EMJs as they can get to good use over the next couple of years! (As I've mentioned before, I have a nice long list if AS needs any potential routes to consider -- just call!)

bb

sfojvjets wrote:

SANFan wrote:

wedgetail737 wrote:

Maybe the additional E-175's mean more secondary cities in the west and midwest? Or additional segments?

Orrrrrrr, just maybe (cough cough *SAN-LAX* cough)?

Since most all intra-CA flights are now flown with EMJs, I could certainly see added frequencies in many of those markets, I mean in addition to the SAN-LAX ones of course... LOL!

Also, I still think it's just a matter of time before AS enters the LAS and PHX markets from their CA hubs; these seem to me long over-due. (Yes, I know AA serves all cities to PHX already but I think AS would like their own metal on some of the flights in the markets. Doubtful but we must consider that AA might surrender some of their PHX routes to AS too...)

I don't think AAG will have any difficulty putting as many EMJs as they can get to good use over the next couple of years! (As I've mentioned before, I have a nice long list if AS needs any potential routes to consider -- just call!)

bb

What seems most logical to me is that these Embraers will mostly be used to up frequencies across the west coast. One thing I will point out is that they are relatively weak regionally destination-wise from SFO, whereas other CA hubs/focus cities such as SAN/LAX have much better connectivity. I owe this largely to UA's unwavering dominance at SFO but if AS decided to invest more here, with the added threat of B6, I could see an expansion of the regional network at SFO. The more likely thing is that they'll simply add regional frequencies network-wide.

Also, about service from LAS & PHX to AS's California hubs, AS already operates LAS-SFO/LAX and PHX-SFO. So while I could see them adding SAN from LAS/PHX or LAX from PHX for the reasons you point out, my guess is that they don't care to be entangled in a fare war with WN when they already have AA as an established presence in all of these markets.

AS has also got to be very decisive about what markets it cares to defend and what doesn't really matter. Hawaii flying especially from California is and will be threatened by WN, so I'd be interested in seeing what could happen. As we have seen with SFO, they elected to cut back and just cede KOA/LIH directly to UA. This time around, I don't think they'll take the easy way out.

Wneast wrote:

sfojvjets wrote:

SANFan wrote:

Orrrrrrr, just maybe (cough cough *SAN-LAX* cough)?

Since most all intra-CA flights are now flown with EMJs, I could certainly see added frequencies in many of those markets, I mean in addition to the SAN-LAX ones of course... LOL!

Also, I still think it's just a matter of time before AS enters the LAS and PHX markets from their CA hubs; these seem to me long over-due. (Yes, I know AA serves all cities to PHX already but I think AS would like their own metal on some of the flights in the markets. Doubtful but we must consider that AA might surrender some of their PHX routes to AS too...)

I don't think AAG will have any difficulty putting as many EMJs as they can get to good use over the next couple of years! (As I've mentioned before, I have a nice long list if AS needs any potential routes to consider -- just call!)

bb

What seems most logical to me is that these Embraers will mostly be used to up frequencies across the west coast. One thing I will point out is that they are relatively weak regionally destination-wise from SFO, whereas other CA hubs/focus cities such as SAN/LAX have much better connectivity. I owe this largely to UA's unwavering dominance at SFO but if AS decided to invest more here, with the added threat of B6, I could see an expansion of the regional network at SFO. The more likely thing is that they'll simply add regional frequencies network-wide.

Also, about service from LAS & PHX to AS's California hubs, AS already operates LAS-SFO/LAX and PHX-SFO. So while I could see them adding SAN from LAS/PHX or LAX from PHX for the reasons you point out, my guess is that they don't care to be entangled in a fare war with WN when they already have AA as an established presence in all of these markets.

AS has also got to be very decisive about what markets it cares to defend and what doesn't really matter. Hawaii flying especially from California is and will be threatened by WN, so I'd be interested in seeing what could happen. As we have seen with SFO, they elected to cut back and just cede KOA/LIH directly to UA. This time around, I don't think they'll take the easy way out.

I don’t know what there Hawaii plan might be it might be limited aircraft look at this article form today I’m pretty sure this is what they think is a response to WN https://thepointsguy.com/news/alaska-ai ... ute-boost/ to me that’s not much of a response to them just upping lax to KOA and LIH to daily

Boiler905 wrote:

Wneast wrote:

sfojvjets wrote:

What seems most logical to me is that these Embraers will mostly be used to up frequencies across the west coast. One thing I will point out is that they are relatively weak regionally destination-wise from SFO, whereas other CA hubs/focus cities such as SAN/LAX have much better connectivity. I owe this largely to UA's unwavering dominance at SFO but if AS decided to invest more here, with the added threat of B6, I could see an expansion of the regional network at SFO. The more likely thing is that they'll simply add regional frequencies network-wide.

Also, about service from LAS & PHX to AS's California hubs, AS already operates LAS-SFO/LAX and PHX-SFO. So while I could see them adding SAN from LAS/PHX or LAX from PHX for the reasons you point out, my guess is that they don't care to be entangled in a fare war with WN when they already have AA as an established presence in all of these markets.

AS has also got to be very decisive about what markets it cares to defend and what doesn't really matter. Hawaii flying especially from California is and will be threatened by WN, so I'd be interested in seeing what could happen. As we have seen with SFO, they elected to cut back and just cede KOA/LIH directly to UA. This time around, I don't think they'll take the easy way out.

I don’t know what there Hawaii plan might be it might be limited aircraft look at this article form today I’m pretty sure this is what they think is a response to WN https://thepointsguy.com/news/alaska-ai ... ute-boost/ to me that’s not much of a response to them just upping lax to KOA and LIH to daily

When was the last time we saw AS respond aggressively?

The SLC influx in response to DL building up its SEA hub?

From what I can see, the folks currently at AS don't seem to have aggressive response in their DNA

Wneast wrote:

Boiler905 wrote:

Wneast wrote:

I don’t know what there Hawaii plan might be it might be limited aircraft look at this article form today I’m pretty sure this is what they think is a response to WN https://thepointsguy.com/news/alaska-ai ... ute-boost/ to me that’s not much of a response to them just upping lax to KOA and LIH to daily

When was the last time we saw AS respond aggressively?

The SLC influx in response to DL building up its SEA hub?

From what I can see, the folks currently at AS don't seem to have aggressive response in their DNA

I’m not trying to be rude but the last time I Renner them aggressively expanding was when the bought virgin America and went all out in California vs WN

sfojvjets wrote:

SANFan wrote:

wedgetail737 wrote:

Maybe the additional E-175's mean more secondary cities in the west and midwest? Or additional segments?

Orrrrrrr, just maybe (cough cough *SAN-LAX* cough)?

Since most all intra-CA flights are now flown with EMJs, I could certainly see added frequencies in many of those markets, I mean in addition to the SAN-LAX ones of course... LOL!

Also, I still think it's just a matter of time before AS enters the LAS and PHX markets from their CA hubs; these seem to me long over-due. (Yes, I know AA serves all cities to PHX already but I think AS would like their own metal on some of the flights in the markets. Doubtful but we must consider that AA might surrender some of their PHX routes to AS too...)

I don't think AAG will have any difficulty putting as many EMJs as they can get to good use over the next couple of years! (As I've mentioned before, I have a nice long list if AS needs any potential routes to consider -- just call!)

bb

What seems most logical to me is that these Embraers will mostly be used to up frequencies across the west coast. One thing I will point out is that they are relatively weak regionally destination-wise from SFO, whereas other CA hubs/focus cities such as SAN/LAX have much better connectivity. I owe this largely to UA's unwavering dominance at SFO but if AS decided to invest more here, with the added threat of B6, I could see an expansion of the regional network at SFO. The more likely thing is that they'll simply add regional frequencies network-wide.

Also, about service from LAS & PHX to AS's California hubs, AS already operates LAS-SFO/LAX and PHX-SFO. So while I could see them adding SAN from LAS/PHX or LAX from PHX for the reasons you point out, my guess is that they don't care to be entangled in a fare war with WN when they already have AA as an established presence in all of these markets.

AS has also got to be very decisive about what markets it cares to defend and what doesn't really matter. Hawaii flying especially from California is and will be threatened by WN, so I'd be interested in seeing what could happen. As we have seen with SFO, they elected to cut back and just cede KOA/LIH directly to UA. This time around, I don't think they'll take the easy way out.

NameOmitted wrote:

No change in the freighter fleet.

What do we make of the 10 A321s? Is 10 large enough to maintain a subfleet on its own much past 12.23?

NameOmitted wrote:

No change in the freighter fleet.

What do we make of the 10 A321s? Is 10 large enough to maintain a subfleet on its own much past 12.23?

RWA380 wrote:

[twoid][/twoid]

NameOmitted wrote:

No change in the freighter fleet.

What do we make of the 10 A321s? Is 10 large enough to maintain a subfleet on its own much past 12.23?

The decisions have been made about Airbus & it's future flying for AS. No, it's not at all profitable to run a sub-fleet for ten aircraft. I am not at liberty to discuss details, but I've heard that AS or the lessor can find homes for the A-321neo's very easily & It's rumored up to half of them may be spoken for already. I know not when they'll exit the fleet, AS has had a difficult time finding the suitable markets to run them. But both AS & passengers enjoy the aircraft.

The A-321 was supposed to fly Hawaii routes at one point, in fact the F/A's were told it would be happening. The majority, if not all of the A-320's are still parked as the MAX's start coming in rapid delivery style. AS didn't take "Proudly All Boeing" off their existing 737's because they knew what way they would go.

The Pandemic sadly played well for AS, they have chipped away the majority of their Airbuses & what is left, remains mostly parked. AS does not want to operate the type & haven't made any real moves to claim those birds other than wash off the Virgin branding ASAP. AS dumped a ton of money into refurb's & paint with decals, but stopped paying fees to Virgin.

For several people guessing routes, a few of you are correct, wait for AS to add a few cities, but more strengthen their existing network. I'd expect the huge amount of E-175''s to replace some Q-400's, but there are some stations that the Q-400 is great for. SEA-EUG/MFR/RDM & PDX-MFR/RDM. Plus the new RDD & IDA flights are courtesy of ERJ's running more routes that used to be only Q's.

AS in the 5 year, if anyone remembers, wanted to really position itself with CA. They are adding new routes out of MT, ID, OR & WA. They are slowly connecting some overdue dots, plus adding back, only what fits today in 2021.

AS will NOT be conservative as it was under Tilden, which as a stockholder could make one nervous, but I fully expect AS to stay relevant to Hawaii, the MAX will likely fly one or two inland routes, maybe BOI or GEG, for example. Watch AS test the limits of the MAX 9 in regards to range.

We are fortunate here in RDM, AS has n/s service to SAN, LAX, SFO, PDX & SEA (it sure gave us lots of connecting opportunities flying to LAS & HI) & also giving us multiple connecting opportunities to the entire AS system.

I think MFR & EUG may see more South bound service. I am confident PDX is not being ignored by AS despite one or two pessimists, the year is looking far brighter than even 5 months ago. Be sure to watch AS go back to shorter advance notice on new services (remember they were announcing a year out, just two years ago?). The 900 & MAX 9 will be the backbone of the AS fleet & the ERJ will be QX's. but the Q-400 does have an important role still for QX.

Also a few people had intimated that QX may buy 50 seat props, just NO! the Q-200's were dropped purposely, with QX well aware they'd be dropping stations, like PDT, ACV, RDD & LMT. Some feel it's a mistake to ignore these smaller places, but QX disagrees. In fact I'd lay good money that QX never buys another prop aircraft again, nor lease one, except to replace a Q-400 in fleet that may be lost & it'll be sourced from their lessor.

Wneast wrote:

RWA380 wrote:

[twoid][/twoid]

NameOmitted wrote:

No change in the freighter fleet.

What do we make of the 10 A321s? Is 10 large enough to maintain a subfleet on its own much past 12.23?

The decisions have been made about Airbus & it's future flying for AS. No, it's not at all profitable to run a sub-fleet for ten aircraft. I am not at liberty to discuss details, but I've heard that AS or the lessor can find homes for the A-321neo's very easily & It's rumored up to half of them may be spoken for already. I know not when they'll exit the fleet, AS has had a difficult time finding the suitable markets to run them. But both AS & passengers enjoy the aircraft.

The A-321 was supposed to fly Hawaii routes at one point, in fact the F/A's were told it would be happening. The majority, if not all of the A-320's are still parked as the MAX's start coming in rapid delivery style. AS didn't take "Proudly All Boeing" off their existing 737's because they knew what way they would go.

The Pandemic sadly played well for AS, they have chipped away the majority of their Airbuses & what is left, remains mostly parked. AS does not want to operate the type & haven't made any real moves to claim those birds other than wash off the Virgin branding ASAP. AS dumped a ton of money into refurb's & paint with decals, but stopped paying fees to Virgin.

For several people guessing routes, a few of you are correct, wait for AS to add a few cities, but more strengthen their existing network. I'd expect the huge amount of E-175''s to replace some Q-400's, but there are some stations that the Q-400 is great for. SEA-EUG/MFR/RDM & PDX-MFR/RDM. Plus the new RDD & IDA flights are courtesy of ERJ's running more routes that used to be only Q's.

AS in the 5 year, if anyone remembers, wanted to really position itself with CA. They are adding new routes out of MT, ID, OR & WA. They are slowly connecting some overdue dots, plus adding back, only what fits today in 2021.

AS will NOT be conservative as it was under Tilden, which as a stockholder could make one nervous, but I fully expect AS to stay relevant to Hawaii, the MAX will likely fly one or two inland routes, maybe BOI or GEG, for example. Watch AS test the limits of the MAX 9 in regards to range.

We are fortunate here in RDM, AS has n/s service to SAN, LAX, SFO, PDX & SEA (it sure gave us lots of connecting opportunities flying to LAS & HI) & also giving us multiple connecting opportunities to the entire AS system.

I think MFR & EUG may see more South bound service. I am confident PDX is not being ignored by AS despite one or two pessimists, the year is looking far brighter than even 5 months ago. Be sure to watch AS go back to shorter advance notice on new services (remember they were announcing a year out, just two years ago?). The 900 & MAX 9 will be the backbone of the AS fleet & the ERJ will be QX's. but the Q-400 does have an important role still for QX.

Also a few people had intimated that QX may buy 50 seat props, just NO! the Q-200's were dropped purposely, with QX well aware they'd be dropping stations, like PDT, ACV, RDD & LMT. Some feel it's a mistake to ignore these smaller places, but QX disagrees. In fact I'd lay good money that QX never buys another prop aircraft again, nor lease one, except to replace a Q-400 in fleet that may be lost & it'll be sourced from their lessor.

Are you saying they most likely will try GEG or BOI to Hawaii with the max 9 ?

RWA380 wrote:

Wneast wrote:

RWA380 wrote:

[twoid][/twoid]

The decisions have been made about Airbus & it's future flying for AS. No, it's not at all profitable to run a sub-fleet for ten aircraft. I am not at liberty to discuss details, but I've heard that AS or the lessor can find homes for the A-321neo's very easily & It's rumored up to half of them may be spoken for already. I know not when they'll exit the fleet, AS has had a difficult time finding the suitable markets to run them. But both AS & passengers enjoy the aircraft.

The A-321 was supposed to fly Hawaii routes at one point, in fact the F/A's were told it would be happening. The majority, if not all of the A-320's are still parked as the MAX's start coming in rapid delivery style. AS didn't take "Proudly All Boeing" off their existing 737's because they knew what way they would go.

The Pandemic sadly played well for AS, they have chipped away the majority of their Airbuses & what is left, remains mostly parked. AS does not want to operate the type & haven't made any real moves to claim those birds other than wash off the Virgin branding ASAP. AS dumped a ton of money into refurb's & paint with decals, but stopped paying fees to Virgin.

For several people guessing routes, a few of you are correct, wait for AS to add a few cities, but more strengthen their existing network. I'd expect the huge amount of E-175''s to replace some Q-400's, but there are some stations that the Q-400 is great for. SEA-EUG/MFR/RDM & PDX-MFR/RDM. Plus the new RDD & IDA flights are courtesy of ERJ's running more routes that used to be only Q's.

AS in the 5 year, if anyone remembers, wanted to really position itself with CA. They are adding new routes out of MT, ID, OR & WA. They are slowly connecting some overdue dots, plus adding back, only what fits today in 2021.

AS will NOT be conservative as it was under Tilden, which as a stockholder could make one nervous, but I fully expect AS to stay relevant to Hawaii, the MAX will likely fly one or two inland routes, maybe BOI or GEG, for example. Watch AS test the limits of the MAX 9 in regards to range.

We are fortunate here in RDM, AS has n/s service to SAN, LAX, SFO, PDX & SEA (it sure gave us lots of connecting opportunities flying to LAS & HI) & also giving us multiple connecting opportunities to the entire AS system.

I think MFR & EUG may see more South bound service. I am confident PDX is not being ignored by AS despite one or two pessimists, the year is looking far brighter than even 5 months ago. Be sure to watch AS go back to shorter advance notice on new services (remember they were announcing a year out, just two years ago?). The 900 & MAX 9 will be the backbone of the AS fleet & the ERJ will be QX's. but the Q-400 does have an important role still for QX.

Also a few people had intimated that QX may buy 50 seat props, just NO! the Q-200's were dropped purposely, with QX well aware they'd be dropping stations, like PDT, ACV, RDD & LMT. Some feel it's a mistake to ignore these smaller places, but QX disagrees. In fact I'd lay good money that QX never buys another prop aircraft again, nor lease one, except to replace a Q-400 in fleet that may be lost & it'll be sourced from their lessor.

Are you saying they most likely will try GEG or BOI to Hawaii with the max 9 ?

I am not saying they will most likely try those markets, but I know that this new CEO is a big thinker, he was hired by the board to proceed into a growth phase with a desire for fresh ideas, while fortifying hub cities. There is nothing that is official, but if they do decided to, we will know with 6 mo's lead time or less, IMHO.

I also know that both BOI & GEG are important markets for AAG, but both airports are not dominated by AAG & I am quite sure they'd like to change that. I believe a bold move is in order. AS is always interested in growing any mid to large sized cities in the PNW & California.

AS is adding all 4 Islands n/s from LAX now, they are trying to capture some connecting traffic from LAS & other like places via LAX, even their MT cities or Oregon cities, are an option, I prefer PDX, but out of RDM (my home airport), our PDX flight is once a day & not great for connections other than the West Coast. I would like to see someone fly BUR-HNL on a 73G which AS has, but they're not equipped for HI operations.

Maybe Avelo or XP, will bring one of their New Haven based 73G's to BUR & one 738 can go to HVN for closer in flights requiring light fuel to get out of HVN, then they could operate a daily or 2x/2x /3x weekly series of BUR-HNL/OGG/KOA flights?

I'd more expect WN to convert a few 73G's & announce SNA & BUR to all 4 Islands, but that's not happening either, UA is already on SNA-HNL with their 73G's

Wneast wrote:

RWA380 wrote:

Wneast wrote:

Are you saying they most likely will try GEG or BOI to Hawaii with the max 9 ?

I am not saying they will most likely try those markets, but I know that this new CEO is a big thinker, he was hired by the board to proceed into a growth phase with a desire for fresh ideas, while fortifying hub cities. There is nothing that is official, but if they do decided to, we will know with 6 mo's lead time or less, IMHO.

I also know that both BOI & GEG are important markets for AAG, but both airports are not dominated by AAG & I am quite sure they'd like to change that. I believe a bold move is in order. AS is always interested in growing any mid to large sized cities in the PNW & California.

AS is adding all 4 Islands n/s from LAX now, they are trying to capture some connecting traffic from LAS & other like places via LAX, even their MT cities or Oregon cities, are an option, I prefer PDX, but out of RDM (my home airport), our PDX flight is once a day & not great for connections other than the West Coast. I would like to see someone fly BUR-HNL on a 73G which AS has, but they're not equipped for HI operations.

Maybe Avelo or XP, will bring one of their New Haven based 73G's to BUR & one 738 can go to HVN for closer in flights requiring light fuel to get out of HVN, then they could operate a daily or 2x/2x /3x weekly series of BUR-HNL/OGG/KOA flights?

I'd more expect WN to convert a few 73G's & announce SNA & BUR to all 4 Islands, but that's not happening either, UA is already on SNA-HNL with their 73G's

WN is using the max 7 etops coming next summer for SNA and BUR

hiflyeras wrote:

PDX has always had a bug up their rear that they should have n/s service to every city that SEA does. Facts are that AS has tried many routes out of PDX over the years that just couldn't cut it. The ones that make a profit remain...the ones that lose too much money don't. If a ULCC like NK can't make a route work then I'd say it isn't going to happen. AS's costs are a bit higher but have a bigger draw due to their mileage plan...giving them an advantage over everyone else. That said, AS says they'll be showing PDX some new love but we've all heard that before.

seahawks7757 wrote:

So the next Alaska 737-9 MAX will be a Special, not much but three mountains are very clear on this. Unfortunately with distance and heat haze, not the greatest, but just got to take what you can get sometimes. This one surprised me when it just showed up at BFI the other day. This frame was originally going to Corendon, PH-CDK, line 7503. Registration will be N979AK.

N979AK Alaska Airlines 737-9 MAX by Brandon Farris

N979AK Alaska Airlines 737-9 MAX by Brandon Farris

N979AK Alaska Airlines 737-9 MAX by Brandon Farris

ASFlyer wrote:

RWA380 wrote:

The decisions have been made about Airbus & it's future flying for AS. No, it's not at all profitable to run a sub-fleet for ten aircraft. I am not at liberty to discuss details, but I've heard that AS or the lessor can find homes for the A-321neo's very easily & It's rumored up to half of them may be spoken for already. I know not when they'll exit the fleet, AS has had a difficult time finding the suitable markets to run them. But both AS & passengers enjoy the aircraft.

The A-321 was supposed to fly Hawaii routes at one point, in fact the F/A's were told it would be happening. The majority, if not all of the A-320's are still parked as the MAX's start coming in rapid delivery style. AS didn't take "Proudly All Boeing" off their existing 737's because they knew what way they would go.

The Pandemic sadly played well for AS, they have chipped away the majority of their Airbuses & what is left, remains mostly parked. AS does not want to operate the type & haven't made any real moves to claim those birds other than wash off the Virgin branding ASAP. AS dumped a ton of money into refurb's & paint with decals, but stopped paying fees to Virgin.

I'm not saying the 321's aren't leaving the fleet, Alaska has as much as said that the MAX is their future. That said, they have them written into the fleet plan well into the future. While they were supposed to be flying to Hawaii back when VX first ordered them, AS has managed to find routes where they seem to work well. SEA-FLL/MCO/BOS/JFK/PVR are all examples of routes that have worked well on the 321. As for the 320s, AS just announced that 7more lines of A320 flying will be added in the near future. They aren't sticking around for the long term but there are plenty of them flying right now.

ASFlyer wrote:

RWA380 wrote:

When the 797 comes, I expect AS to be a launch customer.

That would be a welcome change from 6 hour flights on a cramped 737, although it remains to be seen what the 797 will look like.

airlinepeanuts wrote:

I think the Q400s are here to stay for a while. They break even with like 30 pax on them and the amount of segments QX can do on them and turnaround time make it a great workhorse. It also allows them to enter and grow small markets. Look at STS for instance, it started with just a couple flights on a Q400 (LAX and SEA and later LAS) and grew to a huge operation with E175s. If I recall, that was the goal for the Q400 to go in and see if a market can be grown organically to allow for a bigger plane/more frequency.

wedgetail737 wrote:

airlinepeanuts wrote:

I think the Q400s are here to stay for a while. They break even with like 30 pax on them and the amount of segments QX can do on them and turnaround time make it a great workhorse. It also allows them to enter and grow small markets. Look at STS for instance, it started with just a couple flights on a Q400 (LAX and SEA and later LAS) and grew to a huge operation with E175s. If I recall, that was the goal for the Q400 to go in and see if a market can be grown organically to allow for a bigger plane/more frequency.

QX still flies to STS using Q400's from PDX and periodically from SEA.

airlinepeanuts wrote:

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wedgetail737 wrote:

airlinepeanuts wrote:

I think the Q400s are here to stay for a while. They break even with like 30 pax on them and the amount of segments QX can do on them and turnaround time make it a great workhorse. It also allows them to enter and grow small markets. Look at STS for instance, it started with just a couple flights on a Q400 (LAX and SEA and later LAS) and grew to a huge operation with E175s. If I recall, that was the goal for the Q400 to go in and see if a market can be grown organically to allow for a bigger plane/more frequency.

QX still flies to STS using Q400's from PDX and periodically from SEA.

Right, in addition to several E175s to SEA, SAN, LAX, SNA and now BUR

seahawks7757 wrote:

So the next Alaska 737-9 MAX will be a Special, not much but three mountains are very clear on this. Unfortunately with distance and heat haze, not the greatest, but just got to take what you can get sometimes. This one surprised me when it just showed up at BFI the other day. This frame was originally going to Corendon, PH-CDK, line 7503. Registration will be N979AK.

N979AK Alaska Airlines 737-9 MAX by Brandon Farris

N979AK Alaska Airlines 737-9 MAX by Brandon Farris

N979AK Alaska Airlines 737-9 MAX by Brandon Farris

Aliqiout wrote:

airlinepeanuts wrote:

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wedgetail737 wrote:

QX still flies to STS using Q400's from PDX and periodically from SEA.

Right, in addition to several E175s to SEA, SAN, LAX, SNA and now BUR

Which are not bigger planes.