Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread - 2021

Wneast · Mon Mar 15, 2021 7:05 pm

jbs2886 wrote:
AC4500 wrote:
According to that article-- literally every west coast hub EXCEPT for PDX will see an increase? Sigh...

The article says SAN, LAX, and SEA. SFO is a hub and not getting any increase either.

Wneast wrote:
AC4500 wrote:
According to that article-- literally every west coast hub EXCEPT for PDX will see an increase? Sigh...

It’s hard to see Seattle getting increase when they have two three flights daily to each island, I have a feeling we could see something at PDX depending if southwest starts Hawaii flying from there ?

2-3 flights isn't a ton of capacity when the aircraft are 738s and sometimes 739s, considering the size of AS in SEA and relative to its competitors. HA is running A332s to HNL and OGG from SEA, while DL recently has put the A332 on HNL-SEA (of course, middle seats blocked) for 1 of the 2 flights. SEA gets a lot of connecting traffic that can likely sustain that capacity

That’s why I’m wondering if they will add a flight to somewhere like BOI or just add more Seattle to Hawaii ?

32andBelow · Mon Mar 15, 2021 7:07 pm

Wneast wrote:
jbs2886 wrote:
AC4500 wrote:
According to that article-- literally every west coast hub EXCEPT for PDX will see an increase? Sigh...

The article says SAN, LAX, and SEA. SFO is a hub and not getting any increase either.

Wneast wrote:
It’s hard to see Seattle getting increase when they have two three flights daily to each Islands’s each, I have a feeling we could see something at PDX depending if southwest starts Hawaii flying from there ?

2-3 flights isn't a ton of capacity when the aircraft are 738s and sometimes 739s, considering the size of AS in SEA and relative to its competitors. HA is running A332s to HNL and OGG from SEA, while DL recently has put the A332 on HNL-SEA (of course, middle seats blocked) for 1 of the 2 flights. SEA gets a lot of connecting traffic that can likely sustain that capacity

That’s why I’m wondering if they will add a flight to somewhere like BOI or just add more Seattle to Hawaii ?

Have they ever tried FAIHNL?

jbs2886 · Mon Mar 15, 2021 7:07 pm

Wneast wrote:
jbs2886 wrote:
AC4500 wrote:
According to that article-- literally every west coast hub EXCEPT for PDX will see an increase? Sigh...

The article says SAN, LAX, and SEA. SFO is a hub and not getting any increase either.

Wneast wrote:
It’s hard to see Seattle getting increase when they have two three flights daily to each island, I have a feeling we could see something at PDX depending if southwest starts Hawaii flying from there ?

2-3 flights isn't a ton of capacity when the aircraft are 738s and sometimes 739s, considering the size of AS in SEA and relative to its competitors. HA is running A332s to HNL and OGG from SEA, while DL recently has put the A332 on HNL-SEA (of course, middle seats blocked) for 1 of the 2 flights. SEA gets a lot of connecting traffic that can likely sustain that capacity

That’s why I’m wondering if they will add a flight to somewhere like BOI or just add more Seattle to Hawaii ?

Based on that article, it sounds like instead of adding to BOI, etc. the capacity will be routed through SEA (and SAN/LAX).

Wneast · Mon Mar 15, 2021 7:09 pm

jbs2886 wrote:
Wneast wrote:
jbs2886 wrote:

The article says SAN, LAX, and SEA. SFO is a hub and not getting any increase either.

2-3 flights isn't a ton of capacity when the aircraft are 738s and sometimes 739s, considering the size of AS in SEA and relative to its competitors. HA is running A332s to HNL and OGG from SEA, while DL recently has put the A332 on HNL-SEA (of course, middle seats blocked) for 1 of the 2 flights. SEA gets a lot of connecting traffic that can likely sustain that capacity

That’s why I’m wondering if they will add a flight to somewhere like BOI or just add more Seattle to Hawaii ?

Based on that article, it sounds like instead of adding to BOI, etc. the capacity will be routed through SEA (and SAN/LAX).

That is what it sounds like but BOI at some point I could them sense there making a many hub and they could use the incentives there offering

Chugach · Mon Mar 15, 2021 7:17 pm

32andBelow wrote:
Is the e175 Portland to anchorage replacing the Seattle turn? Or are they flowing more e175s into Alaska this summer?

It’s just a redeye turn, doesn’t appear the plane stays in ANC. Probably just an easy way to bump up capacity without much risk. The morning PDX-ANC stays mainline.

32andBelow · Mon Mar 15, 2021 7:25 pm

Chugach wrote:
32andBelow wrote:
Is the e175 Portland to anchorage replacing the Seattle turn? Or are they flowing more e175s into Alaska this summer?

It’s just a redeye turn, doesn’t appear the plane stays in ANC. Probably just an easy way to bump up capacity without much risk. The morning PDX-ANC stays mainline.

So the Seattle one is gonna stay for rotation? Seems dumb to keep the sea one

SANFan · Mon Mar 15, 2021 7:59 pm

I do know that SAN-OGG is set to go Daily-Double in the next month or so and SAN-HNL used to show also Daily-Double starting in May but doesn't right now; maybe it'll be delayed until June for the 2nd flight. If it happens, this will be the first time AS has doubled up on SAN-HNL; OGG has seen double in the past. I don't know if KOA & LIH might see additional frequencies at some point but it wouldn't shock the cottage cheese out of me if they did.!

It appears that AS is about ready to open up LIH, at least from SAN, and I'm very happy to see that. (Personally, Kauai is my favorite Hawaiian island and It's a shame they've remained closed so long.) I'm sure some of the OAK 800-etops birds will be used immediately to get LIH up and flying again.

In SAN, AS is the only cx flying nonstop to both KOA & LIH; WN has yet to even announce OGG-service and HA serves both HNL & OGG now. So I can see AS wanting to push hard against any additional competition in this large market.

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GSPSPOT · Mon Mar 15, 2021 9:59 pm

I've seen other airlines add flights back or upgauge at MKE recently. AS was surprisingly one of the last to downgauge (their daily flight to SEA) during the pandemic. Might MKE see AS mainline back sooner rather than later?

LAXBUR · Mon Mar 15, 2021 10:56 pm

I wouldn’t expect Boise-Hawaii until they have a healthy number of MAX aircraft. There is also the issue of space during certain hours for mainline Alaska aircraft. Mornings are especially chaotic even without many passengers in such a tight space for both people and planes.

wedgetail737 · Tue Mar 16, 2021 3:24 am

ucdtim17 wrote:
OAK-Hawaii appears to be gone. A little surprising it lasted this long (on paper) after WN’s big entry into the market.

Alaska's OAK-HI flights were one of the first ones running after the demise of AQ and TZ.

AC4500 · Tue Mar 16, 2021 5:21 pm

A bit of a dumb question here....

I will be booking PDX-GEG pretty soon on the Q400. Admittedly, it's been a very long time since I've flown on one of their Q400s and I don't remember exactly which seats are the best for a decent view out the window. According to SeatGuru, the window seat views of rows 7-16 are all obstructed by the engine and propeller. https://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Alask ... s_Q400.php

Can anyone confirm this? Thanks!

palouse · Tue Mar 16, 2021 5:27 pm

AC4500 wrote:
A bit of a dumb question here....

I will be booking PDX-GEG pretty soon on the Q400. Admittedly, it's been a very long time since I've flown on one of their Q400s and I don't remember exactly which seats are the best for a decent view out the window. According to SeatGuru, the window seat views of rows 7-16 are all obstructed by the engine and propeller. https://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Alask ... s_Q400.php

Can anyone confirm this? Thanks!

I can confirm, I flew in row 14 this last week and still had an obstructed view from the engine. All seats can see the ground as the wing is above the fuselage, you just can't see the horizon due to the engine and landing gear. I also find it to be more quiet in the back and prefer rows 16-20 if I can find them.

AC4500 · Tue Mar 16, 2021 5:35 pm

palouse wrote:
AC4500 wrote:
A bit of a dumb question here....

I will be booking PDX-GEG pretty soon on the Q400. Admittedly, it's been a very long time since I've flown on one of their Q400s and I don't remember exactly which seats are the best for a decent view out the window. According to SeatGuru, the window seat views of rows 7-16 are all obstructed by the engine and propeller. https://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Alask ... s_Q400.php

Can anyone confirm this? Thanks!

I can confirm, I flew in row 14 this last week and still had an obstructed view from the engine. All seats can see the ground as the wing is above the fuselage, you just can't see the horizon due to the engine and landing gear. I also find it to be more quiet in the back and prefer rows 16-20 if I can find them.

Thanks for the tip! Typically I try to choose seats closer to the front of the plane, but I guess I'll have to remember to do the opposite with the Q400.

32andBelow · Tue Mar 16, 2021 5:45 pm

AC4500 wrote:
palouse wrote:
AC4500 wrote:
A bit of a dumb question here....

I will be booking PDX-GEG pretty soon on the Q400. Admittedly, it's been a very long time since I've flown on one of their Q400s and I don't remember exactly which seats are the best for a decent view out the window. According to SeatGuru, the window seat views of rows 7-16 are all obstructed by the engine and propeller. https://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Alask ... s_Q400.php

Can anyone confirm this? Thanks!

I can confirm, I flew in row 14 this last week and still had an obstructed view from the engine. All seats can see the ground as the wing is above the fuselage, you just can't see the horizon due to the engine and landing gear. I also find it to be more quiet in the back and prefer rows 16-20 if I can find them.

Thanks for the tip! Typically I try to choose seats closer to the front of the plane, but I guess I'll have to remember to do the opposite with the Q400.

I don’t like sitting next to the prop haha

chrisair · Tue Mar 16, 2021 7:29 pm

palouse wrote:
AC4500 wrote:
I also find it to be more quiet in the back and prefer rows 16-20 if I can find them.

20A is my favorite seat on the Q400s. Wedge myself in and fall asleep.

Was even better when they'd offload from the back. It seemed like they stopped doing that when I was on the Q400s in 2019 and early 2020. Not sure if that was just the luck of the draw or not.

gmcc · Tue Mar 16, 2021 7:37 pm

chrisair wrote:
palouse wrote:
AC4500 wrote:
I also find it to be more quiet in the back and prefer rows 16-20 if I can find them.

20A is my favorite seat on the Q400s. Wedge myself in and fall asleep.

Was even better when they'd offload from the back. It seemed like they stopped doing that when I was on the Q400s in 2019 and early 2020. Not sure if that was just the luck of the draw or not.

I like 20A as well. Offloading from the back doesn't get done as much in SEA in my recent experience. From what I was able to find out it depends which gate they are at. If they have a E175 on the left they typical wouldn't use the back door. As to the other station there appears to be more random

Wingtips56 · Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:26 pm

I go for Row 17 or farther back. Unobstructed view out, plus I enjoy watching the landing gear cycle. Long way to "that" one and only lav at the front, so go before you board.

It works great in stations that board/deplane at both doors, but if you think they may not use the back door at you hub destination, and you are making a connection, go forward.

Ishrion · Fri Mar 19, 2021 12:07 pm

Alaska just announced ANC-MSP

https://newsroom.alaskaair.com/2021-03- ... is-St-Paul

Chugach · Fri Mar 19, 2021 12:15 pm

Ishrion wrote:
Alaska just announced ANC-MSP

https://newsroom.alaskaair.com/2021-03- ... is-St-Paul

Operates for about 8 weeks on weekends only and nicely matches up with DL’s summer weekend service to ANC from JFK/DTW/LAX.

joeblow10 · Sat Mar 20, 2021 12:27 am

Didn’t see this posted anywhere - but feel free to move if it is

AS is adding twice weekly ANC-MSP - clearly a retaliation against DL. I do find it interesting it’s only going to be 2x a week, but then again, most people make a week out of Alaska so, may make sense. Also, it will be a daytime flight, unusual for AS’ lower 48 hauls

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-release ... 50823.html

The 2021 adds just keep on coming...

KLMatSJC · Sat Mar 20, 2021 12:36 am

Remember their SLC invasion to retaliate against DL? How did that go?

tphuang · Sat Mar 20, 2021 12:38 am

It's just 2x weekly during peak summer months. I'm sure AS will do fine at least in 2021 when outdoor leisure will be very popular.

Wneast · Sat Mar 20, 2021 12:39 am

I’m surprised they didn’t maybe add any other news cities to anchorage I feel like that one route isn’t that much of a retaliation ?

LCDFlight · Sat Mar 20, 2021 12:41 am

It's notable given that DL/NW have been heavy on that route for many decades and AS has never done it before.

32andBelow · Sat Mar 20, 2021 1:10 am

Weak. Delta does this year round up to 3X a day and you can connect from MSP east.

TTailedTiger · Sat Mar 20, 2021 1:21 am

32andBelow wrote:
Weak. Delta does this year round up to 3X a day and you can connect from MSP east.

AS is aiming at O/D traffic. Do you really think Delta could sustain 3X daily without a hub? Of course not. AS matching frequency to local demand isn't weak. It would be absurd to match Delta's schedule.

sunking737 · Sat Mar 20, 2021 1:24 am

SCX fly's this route in the summer has for years

Rajahdhani · Sat Mar 20, 2021 1:27 am

Great news for MSP, and while this may be competitive - said competitive effect will benefit the customers and passengers at both ends. I like the move, and wish both carriers well. Hopefully, both are able to mature the route into more and more often, and soon. Thanks to Delta recently, and to AS now, the people of Alaska could always use cheaper and more efficient travel options, and good to see greater connectivity to the lower 48. Connecting at MSP (either all on DL), or as a self-connect at MSP (and a potential interline/codeshare partner for AS) to SY's operation.

usflyer msp · Sat Mar 20, 2021 1:29 am

Weird. More carriers now fly MSP-ANC than SEA-ANC. If the fares are cheap enough I might have to take advantage.

Weatherwatcher1 · Sat Mar 20, 2021 1:31 am

It’s twice weekly for two months. It amounts to 18 total flights each way. That’s barely anything in the grand scheme of things.

Rajahdhani · Sat Mar 20, 2021 1:32 am

sunking737 wrote:
SCX fly's this route in the summer has for years

Thank you so much for this post! I was going to discuss that a bit more too.

As of Feb. 2019 - here's their route map (with ANC listed):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Country_Airlines#/media/File:SY_2019.gif

Do you happen to recall the frequency, or schedule? Also (and pardon me for being as inquisitive here), what was their source of business on this route? For the MSP based passenger, with potentially 3 choices - DL, AS, or SY - who holds what advantages? On the Alaska side, I can see AS and DL's advantages - but fail to see how/where SY may be able to capitalize on the Alaskan side of the transaction to make it work against essentially two larger carriers with hubs/advantages on each end.

32andBelow · Sat Mar 20, 2021 1:34 am

TTailedTiger wrote:
32andBelow wrote:
Weak. Delta does this year round up to 3X a day and you can connect from MSP east.

AS is aiming at O/D traffic. Do you really think Delta could sustain 3X daily without a hub? Of course not. AS matching frequency to local demand isn't weak. It would be absurd to match Delta's schedule.

They could go daily.

joeblow10 · Sat Mar 20, 2021 1:47 am

usflyer msp wrote:
Weird. More carriers now fly MSP-ANC than SEA-ANC. If the fares are cheap enough I might have to take advantage.

Well $197 RT is wide open and available right now. Better get to booking... lol

Also, for what it’s worth... SY and DL have sometimes run 6x daily (usually on the weekends) between the two of them on the route. I doubt 1 extra frequency 2 days a week is really gonna change anything, if anything, I see AS just testing the waters for daily service in 2022

flyoregon · Sat Mar 20, 2021 1:51 am

Seems like a waste of a plane.

PSU.DTW.SCE · Sat Mar 20, 2021 1:54 am

2021 summer leisure route dartboard has officially jumped the shark.

Overcapacity into ANC and JAC among others....

Wneast · Sat Mar 20, 2021 1:54 am

flyoregon wrote:
Seems like a waste of a plane.

Yeah they honestly could have tried BOI to ANC it might have worked out better and there Turning that into a small focus city and no one else offers that route

MIflyer12 · Sat Mar 20, 2021 1:58 am

joeblow10 wrote:
usflyer msp wrote:
Weird. More carriers now fly MSP-ANC than SEA-ANC. If the fares are cheap enough I might have to take advantage.

Well $197 RT is wide open and available right now. Better get to booking... lol

Four cents a mile... yeah, they'll make a lot of $ on that.

32andBelow · Sat Mar 20, 2021 1:59 am

What kind of connections does AA have out of MSP? DL just crushes AS for east coast from Alaska

NCAD95 · Sat Mar 20, 2021 2:08 am

PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
2021 summer leisure route dartboard has officially jumped the shark.

Overcapacity into ANC and JAC among others....

Yes why would you fly an already over saturated market when there are other cities with little or no direct flights to ANC where they could get some traction.

flyfresno · Sat Mar 20, 2021 2:12 am

32andBelow wrote:
Weak. Delta does this year round up to 3X a day and you can connect from MSP east.

It's not necessarily comparable, but AS has a hub in ANC and can connect all over Alaska.

PSU.DTW.SCE · Sat Mar 20, 2021 2:14 am

It’s just retaliation for
Dls announcement last Friday.

This industry is hilarious with their relation moves

BA744PHX · Sat Mar 20, 2021 2:25 am

PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
It’s just retaliation for
Dls announcement last Friday.

This industry is hilarious with their relation moves

Which part? DL making a move in a market thats dominated by AS and now Oneworld which it will likely bleed money?

Aliqiout · Sat Mar 20, 2021 2:26 am

MIflyer12 wrote:
joeblow10 wrote:
usflyer msp wrote:
Weird. More carriers now fly MSP-ANC than SEA-ANC. If the fares are cheap enough I might have to take advantage.

Well $197 RT is wide open and available right now. Better get to booking... lol

Four cents a mile... yeah, they'll make a lot of $ on that.

Only a small percentage of seats on any legacy flight go for the lowest price.

wedgetail737 · Sat Mar 20, 2021 2:40 am

usflyer msp wrote:
Weird. More carriers now fly MSP-ANC than SEA-ANC. If the fares are cheap enough I might have to take advantage.

One more airline than MSP, but MSP doesn't have almost 20X daily MSP-ANC flights like SEA-ANC.

NameOmitted · Sat Mar 20, 2021 3:00 am

I've booked my flights. I've been looking for this add for ten years now.

Incidentally, it's a 737-800, and the first time I've seen a section of their seat map blocked for OneWorld Elite.

Tack · Sat Mar 20, 2021 3:32 am

Weatherwatcher1 wrote:
It’s twice weekly for two months. It amounts to 18 total flights each way. That’s barely anything in the grand scheme of things.

Except it will make money. And for the Alaskans that fly AS, which is almost everyone in AK, the opportunity to reach that part of the nation, AND earn miles in arguably the best alliance, OW...it’s a win for those loyal AS flyers and AS’s bottom line for the summer. Lol RD’s are lost in space.

joeblow10 · Sat Mar 20, 2021 5:13 am

Funny thing is within hours DL and SY both fare matched. Gonna be a fare war market for sure - but the planes will certainly be full. Obviously not every seat will go for <$100, but it’ll certainly get the booking going

sunking737 · Sat Mar 20, 2021 8:00 am

Rajahdhani wrote:
sunking737 wrote:
SCX fly's this route in the summer has for years

Thank you so much for this post! I was going to discuss that a bit more too.

As of Feb. 2019 - here's their route map (with ANC listed):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Country_Airlines#/media/File:SY_2019.gif

Do you happen to recall the frequency, or schedule? Also (and pardon me for being as inquisitive here), what was their source of business on this route? For the MSP based passenger, with potentially 3 choices - DL, AS, or SY - who holds what advantages? On the Alaska side, I can see AS and DL's advantages - but fail to see how/where SY may be able to capitalize on the Alaskan side of the transaction to make it work against essentially two larger carriers with hubs/advantages on each end.

SY has flown to ANC since they had DC-10's It was charter flights back then. Those DC-10 where always full. What most folks don't understand is the number of folks go just to fish. Cooler after cooler being unloaded back in MSP packed with salmon.....

kiowa · Sat Mar 20, 2021 3:47 pm

Balsey move Alaska.

wedgetail737 · Sat Mar 20, 2021 4:15 pm

I think the ANC-MSP route experiment will be the same as the ANC-GEG route...it'll last just one season. That's my take.

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