Fresno Aviation Thread - 2021

WN732 · Fri Apr 23, 2021 11:34 pm

Sadly it doesn't appear that California One will be performing the first flight into Fresno, but it'll still be great!

wnflyguy · Fri Apr 23, 2021 11:57 pm

WN732 wrote:
Sadly it doesn't appear that California One will be performing the first flight into Fresno, but it'll still be great!

Unless it OTS for a MX reason NOC will swap into the FAT first day A/C flow.
Or they could instead have Nevada One do
the LAS flights and Colorado
One do the DEN flight.

Flyguy

FATFlyer · Sat Apr 24, 2021 1:09 am

WN732 wrote:
Sadly it doesn't appear that California One will be performing the first flight into Fresno, but it'll still be great!

LOL, I know there are some people who think Fresno is not part of California. But I didn't think WN had the same mentality.

But seriously, I hope they find a special reason to bring California One to FAT in the near future. Maybe as first flight for a route expansion?

Wneast · Sat Apr 24, 2021 1:11 am

FATFlyer wrote:
WN732 wrote:
Sadly it doesn't appear that California One will be performing the first flight into Fresno, but it'll still be great!

LOL, I know there are some people who think Fresno is not part of California. But I didn't think WN had the same mentality.

But seriously, I hope they find a special reason to bring California One to FAT in the near future. Maybe as first flight for a route expansion?

Sounds like the Fresno hopes on WN to Hawaii will most likely be put on hold with them putting of the Saturday rumored markets tell later, but as wnflyguy said they could add PHX, LAX and SAN is probably going to happen at some point

WN732 · Sat Apr 24, 2021 1:55 am

wnflyguy wrote:
WN732 wrote:
Sadly it doesn't appear that California One will be performing the first flight into Fresno, but it'll still be great!

Unless it OTS for a MX reason NOC will swap into the FAT first day A/C flow.
Or they could instead have Nevada One do
the LAS flights and Colorado
One do the DEN flight.

Flyguy

You may be on to something there. Something weird happened to it today where it says it landed at AUS and its outbound to DAL was cancelled. FR24 can't confirm if it's still on the ground here and I didn't go by the airport to verify. We also had some weather today in AUS and at DAL so perhaps it is also due to that. I'm flying AUS-LAS-FAT on Sunday for the inaugural so we'll see what happens.

Interestingly its schedule changed again putting it in LAS on Sunday morning around 0800 local. But it's showing LAS-BOI after that. Perhaps they can switch it from there? Only WN knows...

Nevada and Colorado One are not scheduled to be anywhere near the west coast on Sunday. Of course, that could also change.

KDAL · Sat Apr 24, 2021 2:06 am

FATFlyer wrote:
WN732 wrote:
Sadly it doesn't appear that California One will be performing the first flight into Fresno, but it'll still be great!

LOL, I know there are some people who think Fresno is not part of California. But I didn't think WN had the same mentality.

But seriously, I hope they find a special reason to bring California One to FAT in the near future. Maybe as first flight for a route expansion?

It will be there on the first day, assuming it doesn't go tech between now and then.

FATFlyer · Sat Apr 24, 2021 2:23 am

Multiple local media outlets are talking tonight about Sunday's WN inaugural.

Several of us have been noticing indications in the WN res system (such as fares rising quickly, a few sold-out flights, etc) that are single point indicators of strong ticket sales at Fresno.

In this report, Fresno Aviation Director Kevin Meikle says “The ticket sales have been off the charts.”
http://gvwire.com/2021/04/23/fresno-ticket-sales-off-the-charts-for-southwest-airlines/

The same outlet also has this YouTube video report showing the new WN ticket counter, baggage office, and gate area with boarding group signs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMQHYeui2pg

Other articles I am seeing tonight:
http://www.fresnobee.com/news/local/article250872639.html
http://sjvsun.com/business/all-aboard-fresno-rolling-out-the-red-carpet-ahead-of-southwests-sunday-launch/
http://thebusinessjournal.com/fyis-first-southwest-flights-to-arrive-sunday/

WN732 · Sat Apr 24, 2021 3:22 am

Schedule updated and California One is now on back to back LAS-FAT-LAS-FAT flights.

whatusaid · Sat Apr 24, 2021 5:39 am

I’m on the 5pm to LAS Sunday as I move from doing OAK-PSP to FAT-ONT for my weekly commute to Palm Springs. My OAK-PSP flights have largely been a 50% LF at best. I’m hoping that FAT supports WN from day 1. Been waiting a couple decades for this to happen. Bring on PHX!

whatusaid · Sun Apr 25, 2021 1:49 am

In the weekend load, DL is adding FAT-SEA daily at 6:35a this summer in addition to the Sat only flights. Time for Alaska to respond...

flyfresno · Sun Apr 25, 2021 4:32 am

whatusaid wrote:
In the weekend load, DL is adding FAT-SEA daily at 6:35a this summer in addition to the Sat only flights. Time for Alaska to respond...

Dang you are on top of things! Almost like you knew it was coming...

I feel like this is probably Delta responding to AS dropping capacity (from the original 737s). Will be interesting to see what happens next.

Also, I see 6am LAX, 6:10am SLC, 6:35am SEA. Almost seems like they need 3 gates for that. At least 2...

flyfresno · Sun Apr 25, 2021 5:47 am

This is the FAT departure schedule between 5:30am and 8:00am for an average July weekday, as it currently stands. This represents about 1,000 seats leaving within just a 2:30 period. I don't think that type of schedule has ever happened before. It will be interesting to see if the airport can keep up...

5:30am UA DEN CRJ
6:00am AA DFW 738
6:00am DL LAX E75
6:10am DL SLC E75
6:20am UA LAX CRJ
6:30am UA SFO CRJ
6:35am DL SEA E75
7:00am WN LAS 737
7:00am AS SAN E75
7:00am AA PHX CR7
7:20am UA ORD E75
7:55am AS SEA E75
8:00am UA SFO CRJ

FATFlyer · Sun Apr 25, 2021 5:57 am

whatusaid wrote:
In the weekend load, DL is adding FAT-SEA daily at 6:35a this summer in addition to the Sat only flights. Time for Alaska to respond...

I'd heard a rumor and suspected it might be in this load. But I had not been able to check for it yet.

I am seeing July 6 as the start for the new daily FAT-SEA.

Looks like the schedule will be daily for the new FAT-SEA with the Sat only flight still in place so 2 Saturday flights.

FATFlyer · Sun Apr 25, 2021 6:05 am

I spoke with someone tonight who flew in for business a few days ago on AA. Leaving Sun April 25 on WN. He didn't know it was WN's first day. I told him he will will probably get some freebies for being on the first day.

Wneast · Sun Apr 25, 2021 6:09 am

FATFlyer wrote:
whatusaid wrote:
In the weekend load, DL is adding FAT-SEA daily at 6:35a this summer in addition to the Sat only flights. Time for Alaska to respond...

I'd heard a rumor and suspected it might be in this load. But I had not been able to check for it yet.

I am seeing July 6 as the start for the new daily FAT-SEA.

Looks like the schedule will be daily for the new FAT-SEA with the Sat only flight still in place so 2 Saturday flights.

Are you suspected more WN flights soon with the current booking trends ?

FATFlyer · Sun Apr 25, 2021 5:40 pm

Wneast wrote:
Are you suspected more WN flights soon with the current booking trends ?

I am sure there will be more flights added soon. The only question is which routes will WN see in the booking patterns to add.

The adds by other airlines at FAT (something not happening the same was at SBA or a few other new adds) indicates to me that the WN effect is definitely stimulating this market.

FATFlyer · Sun Apr 25, 2021 5:43 pm

California One has landed at FAT.
http://twitter.com/TimSheehanNews/status/1386373225811087364

whatusaid · Sun Apr 25, 2021 7:02 pm

FATFlyer wrote:
California One has landed at FAT.
http://twitter.com/TimSheehanNews/status/1386373225811087364

120 pax on each of the first two flights...not bad at all. I wonder what sort of day G4 is having?

FATFlyer · Sun Apr 25, 2021 7:11 pm

whatusaid wrote:
FATFlyer wrote:
California One has landed at FAT.
http://twitter.com/TimSheehanNews/status/1386373225811087364

120 pax on each of the first two flights...not bad at all. I wonder what sort of day G4 is having?

Good question.

I did chuckle at the reply in this tweet thread.
https://twitter.com/SFGlobeTrekker/status/1386350265352167426

FATFlyer · Sun Apr 25, 2021 7:32 pm

whatusaid wrote:
120 pax on each of the first two flights...not bad at all. I wonder what sort of day G4 is having?

I just checked arrival/departure information.

For now, FAT is making WN and G4 be best buddies. They are sharing gate 17. Maybe it should be renamed the Vegas gate. :lol:

sprxUSA · Mon Apr 26, 2021 2:30 am

Hope it is a good location for WN. I can get fresh raisins.

WN732 · Mon Apr 26, 2021 6:16 am

Loads today seemed great. Although every flight in Vegas seemed full because it was Sunday. I really hope FAT works well for WN and vice versa.

whatusaid · Mon Apr 26, 2021 6:40 am

WN732 wrote:
Loads today seemed great. Although every flight in Vegas seemed full because it was Sunday. I really hope FAT works well for WN and vice versa.

The 5 pm out of FAT had about 70. I was surprised that many didn’t know it was day one. The WN personnel at FAT were great. Had a couple conversations about the first day loads. 113 on DEN.

The partial schedule load tonight did show Sat and Sunday are being cut back to 2X LAS. As noted on the WN thread, flight times vary by day. A few 800’s are also on the June schedule that looks to be WIP.

wnflyguy · Mon Apr 26, 2021 11:36 am

whatusaid wrote:
WN732 wrote:
Loads today seemed great. Although every flight in Vegas seemed full because it was Sunday. I really hope FAT works well for WN and vice versa.

The 5 pm out of FAT had about 70. I was surprised that many didn’t know it was day one. The WN personnel at FAT were great. Had a couple conversations about the first day loads. 113 on DEN.

The partial schedule load tonight did show Sat and Sunday are being cut back to 2X LAS. As noted on the WN thread, flight times vary by day. A few 800’s are also on the June schedule that looks to be WIP.

WN doing a schedule release today for summer time flying. Everything apparently hasn't loaded yet.
But if FAT has fluctuations in its flight schedule I wouldn't be a bit surprised.
So Far as a whole WN schedule for the week of June 6- June 12 is all over the place. Feels more like a typical Frontier schedule vs WN. Good luck.

Flyguy

flyfresno · Mon Apr 26, 2021 3:31 pm

whatusaid wrote:
The partial schedule load tonight did show Sat and Sunday are being cut back to 2X LAS. As noted on the WN thread, flight times vary by day. A few 800’s are also on the June schedule that looks to be WIP.

Surprised to see Sundays being cut to 2X, that's usually a big day for LAS-FAT. Saturday makes sense though.

I think it's important to keep in mind that many are still not traveling right now...we have definitely not recovered yet. If the loads look this good now, hopefully it's a good omen that they can fill 4X or more per day leaving FAT.

FATFlyer · Mon Apr 26, 2021 4:06 pm

I don't know if I am reading those weekend schedules correctly or not.

But it looks like big holes in the LAS-FAT-LAS weekend schedule being loaded. Too much of a gap between arrivals and departures. The DEN turn is fine.

I wonder if they need to clean the schedule up or if some weekend service will be announced to fill those times.

Wneast · Mon Apr 26, 2021 4:09 pm

FATFlyer wrote:
I don't know if I am reading those weekend schedules correctly or not.

But it looks like big holes in the LAS-FAT-LAS weekend schedule being loaded. Too much of a gap between arrivals and departures. The DEN turn is fine.

I wonder if they need to clean the schedule up or if some weekend service will be announced to fill those times.

They whole schedule is weird there supposed have a announcement at 11 I hope that cleans things up it could be there moving things around for the new Hawaii flights that should be announced

FATFlyer · Mon Apr 26, 2021 4:24 pm

Here is what I am seeing. The DEN-FAT-DEN turns look OK. But:

On Sunday June 6 there is a LAS-FAT arrival at 12:20pm. But I see no corresponding departure until the 3:20pm FAT-LAS.
On Saturday June 12 there is a LAS-FAT arrival at 11:15am. But no corresponding departure until the 6:10pm FAT-LAS.

Very interesting weekend gaps.

joeblow10 · Mon Apr 26, 2021 4:35 pm

FATFlyer wrote:
Here is what I am seeing. The DEN-FAT-DEN turns look OK. But:

On Sunday June 6 there is a LAS-FAT arrival at 12:20pm. But I see no corresponding departure until the 3:20pm FAT-LAS.
On Saturday June 12 there is a LAS-FAT arrival at 11:15am. But no corresponding departure until the 6:10pm FAT-LAS.

Very interesting weekend gaps.

I’m not sure what you could really squeeze in 3 hours... but the Saturday gap is definitely more interesting and has potential to be filled in with something new

ericm2031 · Mon Apr 26, 2021 4:39 pm

FATFlyer wrote:
Here is what I am seeing. The DEN-FAT-DEN turns look OK. But:

On Sunday June 6 there is a LAS-FAT arrival at 12:20pm. But I see no corresponding departure until the 3:20pm FAT-LAS.
On Saturday June 12 there is a LAS-FAT arrival at 11:15am. But no corresponding departure until the 6:10pm FAT-LAS.

Very interesting weekend gaps.

They’re probably coming from LAS and then turning to go to DEN and then vice versa DEN comes in and goes to LAS. The times line up.

FATFlyer · Mon Apr 26, 2021 5:14 pm

ericm2031 wrote:
FATFlyer wrote:
Here is what I am seeing. The DEN-FAT-DEN turns look OK. But:

On Sunday June 6 there is a LAS-FAT arrival at 12:20pm. But I see no corresponding departure until the 3:20pm FAT-LAS.
On Saturday June 12 there is a LAS-FAT arrival at 11:15am. But no corresponding departure until the 6:10pm FAT-LAS.

Very interesting weekend gaps.

They’re probably coming from LAS and then turning to go to DEN and then vice versa DEN comes in and goes to LAS. The times line up.

Thanks I see that now. Not enough coffee this morning I guess. I was working until almost 10pm last night prepping multiple things I need this week for work and responding to emails about work problems from my assistant. I better put another pot of coffee on. :coffee:

AirBrian · Tue Apr 27, 2021 6:12 am

Is there actually a pretty decent chance we may see WN adding hawaii from Fresno? Or even AS? Also I wonder what the chances of seeing Delta add a eastern US hub such as minneapolis or atl?

flyfresno · Tue Apr 27, 2021 1:53 pm

AirBrian wrote:
Also I wonder what the chances of seeing Delta add a eastern US hub such as minneapolis or atl?

Despite all the pomp and circumstance over WN, Delta has been quietly but substantially upping its game at FAT. There will be 7 flights per day in July to three destinations, a huge increase % wise even over 2019. A third new destination out of an airline in a year period would be quite bullish, so I'm not sure if this is the year for MSP or ATL, but the upward trend also makes me hopeful.

whatusaid · Fri Apr 30, 2021 1:52 am

flyfresno wrote:
AirBrian wrote:
Also I wonder what the chances of seeing Delta add a eastern US hub such as minneapolis or atl?

Despite all the pomp and circumstance over WN, Delta has been quietly but substantially upping its game at FAT. There will be 7 flights per day in July to three destinations, a huge increase % wise even over 2019. A third new destination out of an airline in a year period would be quite bullish, so I'm not sure if this is the year for MSP or ATL, but the upward trend also makes me hopeful.

DL’s daily SEA is now showing sold out. Maybe they looked at the lack of bookings for the Saturday flights and decided against going up against AS?

wnflyguy · Fri Apr 30, 2021 2:31 am

I see WN adjusted FAT June schedule.
Scaled down LAS to 2 flights on Saturdays and Sundays.
But peak days it increased DEN from a 143 seat 700 to a 175 seat 800 on M,Th & Fri with better connectivity in DEN.

Flyguy

toosoun · Sat May 01, 2021 3:03 pm

It looks like the 8 am AA flight to DFW is being switched for a redeye to DFW beginning June 3. Is this the first time the DFW flight has been a redeye from FAT?

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flyfresno · Sat May 01, 2021 3:41 pm

toosoun wrote:
It looks like the 8 am AA flight to DFW is being switched for a redeye to DFW beginning June 3. Is this the first time the DFW flight has been a redeye from FAT?

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No there have been DFW redeyes for years, and I believe it was already on the schedule later in summer.

WN732 · Sat May 01, 2021 3:42 pm

toosoun wrote:
It looks like the 8 am AA flight to DFW is being switched for a redeye to DFW beginning June 3. Is this the first time the DFW flight has been a redeye from FAT?

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They had one that left around midnight a few years back.

flyfresno · Sun May 02, 2021 3:17 pm

whatusaid wrote:
flyfresno wrote:
AirBrian wrote:
Also I wonder what the chances of seeing Delta add a eastern US hub such as minneapolis or atl?

Despite all the pomp and circumstance over WN, Delta has been quietly but substantially upping its game at FAT. There will be 7 flights per day in July to three destinations, a huge increase % wise even over 2019. A third new destination out of an airline in a year period would be quite bullish, so I'm not sure if this is the year for MSP or ATL, but the upward trend also makes me hopeful.

DL’s daily SEA is now showing sold out. Maybe they looked at the lack of bookings for the Saturday flights and decided against going up against AS?

Yep, it's completely gone now. That didn't last long. Well, still a good sign that Delta wants to add SEA. It appears they just did a round of cuts for June, so I guess this was a part of that. Good news is, FAT retains 5X to SLC.

I do have one thought about this though. As part of the change, it appears that LAX was moved back from 6:00am to 7:15am (with SLC going at 6:00am). I originally posted that having 3 flights within an hour or so of each other in the morning would require at least 2 gates, and possibly 3 (could they push an a/c and then tow another on and board it in 35 minutes?). So, question is, did DL approach the airport about this timing, only to be told there was not enough gate space (or it would require ground boarding)?

whatusaid · Sun May 02, 2021 4:21 pm

flyfresno wrote:
whatusaid wrote:
flyfresno wrote:

Despite all the pomp and circumstance over WN, Delta has been quietly but substantially upping its game at FAT. There will be 7 flights per day in July to three destinations, a huge increase % wise even over 2019. A third new destination out of an airline in a year period would be quite bullish, so I'm not sure if this is the year for MSP or ATL, but the upward trend also makes me hopeful.

DL’s daily SEA is now showing sold out. Maybe they looked at the lack of bookings for the Saturday flights and decided against going up against AS?

Yep, it's completely gone now. That didn't last long. Well, still a good sign that Delta wants to add SEA. It appears they just did a round of cuts for June, so I guess this was a part of that. Good news is, FAT retains 5X to SLC.

I do have one thought about this though. As part of the change, it appears that LAX was moved back from 6:00am to 7:15am (with SLC going at 6:00am). I originally posted that having 3 flights within an hour or so of each other in the morning would require at least 2 gates, and possibly 3 (could they push an a/c and then tow another on and board it in 35 minutes?). So, question is, did DL approach the airport about this timing, only to be told there was not enough gate space (or it would require ground boarding)?

July shows 6a LAX and 6:10 SLC. I doubt DL approached the airport about a 6:35 to Seattle. The airport has a problem. We’ve now seen AA move ORD to the afternoon and DL cancel SEA. Perhaps they are not related to the gate issue, but one cannot help but wonder...

whatusaid · Mon May 10, 2021 6:27 am

Noted WN has upgraded to -800’s on most everything out of FAT. 6:40 LAS/PHX is the only -700 tomorrow. I’ve noted DEN flights have been selling out. Fares are way up. Are we to conclude this looks to be working? My third flight is next Sunday on a 738.

A side note, AA extended ORD to October..

Time for AM to bring back a day trip to GDL. The MX flights are pre-COVID busy...

whatusaid · Tue May 11, 2021 12:32 am

If you believe FlightAware, WN had a Max8 on the midday turn to LAS today. Anyone notice?

KLMatSJC · Tue May 11, 2021 1:10 am

whatusaid wrote:
If you believe FlightAware, WN had a Max8 on the midday turn to LAS today. Anyone notice?

Yes, N8718Q operated today's flight.

Wneast · Tue May 11, 2021 2:41 am

whatusaid wrote:
If you believe FlightAware, WN had a Max8 on the midday turn to LAS today. Anyone notice?

Sign off Hawaii flight maybe ?

Wneast · Tue May 11, 2021 2:46 am

whatusaid wrote:
If you believe FlightAware, WN had a Max8 on the midday turn to LAS today. Anyone notice?

Sign off Hawaii flight maybe ?

Wneast · Tue May 11, 2021 2:50 am

Wneast wrote:
whatusaid wrote:
If you believe FlightAware, WN had a Max8 on the midday turn to LAS today. Anyone notice?

Sign off Hawaii flight maybe ?

Of

flyfresno · Tue May 11, 2021 3:23 am

KLMatSJC wrote:
whatusaid wrote:
If you believe FlightAware, WN had a Max8 on the midday turn to LAS today. Anyone notice?

Yes, N8718Q operated today's flight.

https://www.instagram.com/p/COtcdI8h6a2 ... 1lwyw75j32

There's photo proof ^^^

flyfresno · Tue May 11, 2021 3:25 am

whatusaid wrote:
Noted WN has upgraded to -800’s on most everything out of FAT. 6:40 LAS/PHX is the only -700 tomorrow. I’ve noted DEN flights have been selling out. Fares are way up. Are we to conclude this looks to be working? My third flight is next Sunday on a 738.

A side note, AA extended ORD to October..

Time for AM to bring back a day trip to GDL. The MX flights are pre-COVID busy...

Would also like to see UA bring back mainline to ORD and maybe something else to the east. <cough>Minneapolis<cough>

Tan Flyr · Tue May 11, 2021 12:55 pm

flyfresno wrote:
whatusaid wrote:
Noted WN has upgraded to -800’s on most everything out of FAT. 6:40 LAS/PHX is the only -700 tomorrow. I’ve noted DEN flights have been selling out. Fares are way up. Are we to conclude this looks to be working? My third flight is next Sunday on a 738.

A side note, AA extended ORD to October..

Time for AM to bring back a day trip to GDL. The MX flights are pre-COVID busy...

Would also like to see UA bring back mainline to ORD and maybe something else to the east. <cough>Minneapolis<cough>

Not sure ORD can support 2 mainlines just yet..it would be great tho ! With most midwest/ main NE/ and main SE-Florida connections covered thru the hubs of DEN/ORD/DFW it seems to me there is enough other connecting traffic (at this time) to justify a MSP or DTW flight ( DL obviously).maybe one ATL ?? but it would have to be other connections (and any O & D) traffic at a revenue level to justify the plane, crew and precious ATL gate space.
I suspect AA would defend that traffic with fares to fill any empty seats on the DFW flights with a possible 2nd connection at CLT or PHL (ugh) .
I do hope there is traffic in the future to support an ATL flight, but my guess is it will be a red-eye to ATL due to gates there. Just my 2 cents of thoughts.

flyfresno · Tue May 11, 2021 2:50 pm

Tan Flyr wrote:
Not sure ORD can support 2 mainlines just yet..it would be great tho !

Just a few years ago, people doubted whether FAT could support a third DFW flight, and here we are at 4X per day, so I'd say 2X to ORD (especially different airlines at different times of the day) on A319s or similar is definitely doable.

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